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DaFace
01-06-2009, 08:44 PM
http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/story.jsp?story_id=3071

It's that time of year again! Here's the list of 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists.


http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Cris Carter (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=271) Wide Receiver 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Dermontti Dawson (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=275) Center 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Richard Dent (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=240) Defensive End 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Russ Grimm (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=244) Guard 1981-1991 Washington Redskins
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Bob Hayes (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=276) Wide Receiver 1965-1974 Dallas Cowboys, 1975 San Francisco 49ers
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Claude Humphrey (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=245) Defensive End 1968-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Cortez Kennedy (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=277) Defensive Tackle 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Bob Kuechenberg (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=247) Guard 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Randall McDaniel (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=274) Guard 1988-1999 Minnesota Vikings, 2000-01 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif John Randle (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=278) Defensive Tackle 1990-2000 Minnesota Vikings, 2001-03 Seattle Seahawks
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Andre Reed (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=265) Wide Receiver 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Shannon Sharpe (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=279) Tight End 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Bruce Smith (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=280) Defensive End 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000-03 Washington Redskins
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Paul Tagliabue (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=267) Commissioner 1989-2006 National Football League
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Derrick Thomas (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=249) Linebacker 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Ralph Wilson (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=281) Team Founder/Owner 1960-Present Buffalo Bills
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/news-bullet.gif Rod Woodson (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=282) Cornerback/Safety 1987-1996 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers, 1998-2001 Baltimore Ravens, 2002-03 Oakland Raiders

From that list, up to five modern-era candidates and two senior candidates (designated in italics) can be elected, with a minimum of four and maximum of seven total inductees. Given all that, who should make it in?

kstater
01-06-2009, 08:46 PM
Carter
Randle
Sharpe
Smith
Tag
DT
maybe Woodson

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Bruce Smith
Rod Woodson
Shannon Sharpe
Richard Dent
Chris Carter

Mecca
01-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Bruce Smith, Woodson and Sharpe are absolute locks.....Carter should get in.

After that it becomes a real toss up.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 08:49 PM
Bruce Smith, Woodson and Sharpe are absolute locks.....Carter should get in.

After that it becomes a real toss up.

Honestly...its a joke that Tippett got in over DT a year or two ago.

Tippett was a solid player, but hardly a game changer like DT was.

Ebolapox
01-06-2009, 08:50 PM
I just don't think that john randle makes it into the hall.

KChiefs1
01-06-2009, 08:53 PM
No way Bob Hayes should be in before Otis Taylor.

Mecca
01-06-2009, 08:53 PM
The issue here with DT is....the 3 of Smith, Woodson, Sharpe are absolutely locked....I wouldn't be surprised to see from 1-3 of the Carter, Andre Reed, Randall McDaniel group get in then someone will get in that we aren't talking about...

DT's issue now is so many guys are coming up for nomination he basically has 2 spots to get in on.

unothadeal
01-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Is Bruce Smith the guy who's last career play was a sack?

unothadeal
01-06-2009, 09:00 PM
Also, is there a limit to the amount of years you can get nominated? Say, if you don't get in for 10 years, you can't?

DaFace
01-06-2009, 09:02 PM
Also, is there a limit to the amount of years you can get nominated? Say, if you don't get in for 10 years, you can't?

Not as far as I know. Of course, it gets tougher to make it through the earlier rounds when a player hasn't been around for a while.

KCChiefsMan
01-06-2009, 09:08 PM
I selected DT, Chris Carter, Richard Dent, John Randle and Bruce Smith

cdcox
01-06-2009, 09:24 PM
No way Bob Hayes should be in before Otis Taylor.

Hayes name is only going to come up once. If you vote him down, there is no reason to put Otis Taylor in. They had similar careers in terms of stats and rings and they were both physical freaks. Bullet Bob Hayes should go in.

cdcox
01-06-2009, 09:25 PM
Not as far as I know. Of course, it gets tougher to make it through the earlier rounds when a player hasn't been around for a while.

I think after 25 years you can only go in by the Senior's committee.

noa
01-06-2009, 09:29 PM
Bruce Smith, Chris Carter, Richard Dent, Shannon Sharpe & Rod Woodson

DaFace
01-06-2009, 09:40 PM
I think after 25 years you can only go in by the Senior's committee.

Could be. Of course, how often do players actually make the list after 20 years?

SNR
01-06-2009, 09:43 PM
No love for Ralph Wilson?

ChiefsCountry
01-06-2009, 09:46 PM
Smith and combo of either Wilson/Reed - Bills will be the team they honor this year.

KCChiefsMan
01-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Bruce Smith, Chris Carter, Richard Dent, Shannon Sharpe & Rod Woodson

BOO :mad::BS:nlm:loser:

cdcox
01-06-2009, 09:53 PM
Cris Carter - Currently 7th all-time in yardage and 4th in TDs. Was one of the original huge stat WRs. He's waited a year, put him in.

Bob Hayes - Saw him play. See my post above.

Claude Humphrey - One of the few great players on some really bad Falcon teams. No reason to exclude him, which is how I view these Senior candidates.

Bob Kuechenberg - He's not one of the top 5 players listed, but this is his last year before he slips to the senior list. He's got six probowls and 2 rings. He'll make it and he should.

Bruce Smith - obvious. One of the most dominant Defensive Ends of all time and probably the best player on those Bills teams.

Derrick Thomas - it's time

Rod Woodson - he made the NFL 75 year team. Slam dunk.


Notables I left off this year:

Sharpe: Yeah, he deserves to go, but I'm not sure he's first ballot. He's not in the class of Bruce Smith or Rod Woodson. He also needs another year to work on his speaking before he should be allowed on the podium to give his acceptance speech.

John Randle - not first ballot.

Richard Dent - not before DT.

Andre Reed - Needs to wait a little longer.

Tags - should get in at some point but there doesn't appear to be any rush.


This said, I have no idea what the Committee will do. At least one or two of their choices each year (Fred Dean?) is equivalent to a Carl Peterson 2nd round draft choice.

cdcox
01-06-2009, 09:55 PM
Could be. Of course, how often do players actually make the list after 20 years?

Roger Wehrli was elected in his last year of eligibility. See Bob Kuechenberg this year.

DaFace
01-06-2009, 09:56 PM
Roger Wehrli was elected in his last year of eligibility. See Bob Kuechenberg this year.

OK. You win. :)

cdcox
01-06-2009, 10:01 PM
Smith and combo of either Wilson/Reed - Bills will be the team they honor this year.

Yeah, I could see this. Wilson is 90 this year so if they want to honor him while he is alive, this is the year to do it. I predict they'll take:

Smith
Wilson
Reed
Woodson
Kuechenberg

Hayes
Humphrey

The only one I have much doubt on is Reed. They may not make it a total Bills fest.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 10:04 PM
Reed is one of those guys really on the fence for me.

Yea, he was good, Above average probably but a HoF'er???

The voters are really going to have a hard time with alot of these WR's in the age of passing so much.

cdcox
01-06-2009, 10:05 PM
OK. You win. :)

YES! :rockon:

Oh, wait you're a mod, aren't you? Never mind.

cdcox
01-06-2009, 10:08 PM
Reed is one of those guys really on the fence for me.

Yea, he was good, Above average probably but a HoF'er???

The voters are really going to have a hard time with alot of these WR's in the age of passing so much.

I think a good number of the modern day WR will get in. It's the RBs that are going to become scarce. But it will be a little tricky sorting through them.

Mecca
01-06-2009, 10:08 PM
Reed is one of those guys really on the fence for me.

Yea, he was good, Above average probably but a HoF'er???

The voters are really going to have a hard time with alot of these WR's in the age of passing so much.

He has HOF numbers....if you compare him to the era of the WR's he played with very few guys were better.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 10:10 PM
I think a good number of the modern day WR will get in. It's the RBs that are going to become scarce. But it will be a little tricky sorting through them.


Perhaps. Personally i think the NFL HOF lets too many guys in.

I like how the baseball HOF is very picky.

unothadeal
01-06-2009, 10:10 PM
I have another question for you guys. According to this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_1990s_All-Decade_Team) It says Jerry Rice is eligible in 2010 but he retired from the 49ers (1 day contract) in '06. Willie Roaf retired following the '05 season but is eligible in 2011.

Side Note: A player must be retired for 5 years, correct? Well Roaf retired in '05 so how is he eligible in 2011?

Mecca
01-06-2009, 10:12 PM
Perhaps. Personally i think the NFL HOF lets too many guys in.

I like how the baseball HOF is very picky.

More guys play in the NFL though.....the rosters are twice as big as baseballs so the pool is much larger...

Baseballs HOF is about longevity where the NFL rewards guys for being on good teams over players being individually great.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 10:15 PM
Baseballs HOF is about longevity where the NFL rewards guys for being on good teams over players being individually great.


I would agree with that for the most part.

Personally, when i think Hall of Fame i think "Elite" or "the best of the best".

There are too many guys getting in that were just "above average"

Mecca
01-06-2009, 10:17 PM
I would agree with that for the most part.

Personally, when i think Hall of Fame i think "Elite" or "the best of the best".

There are too many guys getting in that were just "above average"

If you were on a team that won several bowls you could have been a good starter and you'll be more likely to get in than great player on bad team..

Just watch in 10 years we'll be talking about how the fuck guys like Willie McGinest are getting in the HOF.

unothadeal
01-06-2009, 10:20 PM
I have another question for you guys. According to this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_1990s_All-Decade_Team) It says Jerry Rice is eligible in 2010 but he retired from the 49ers (1 day contract) in '06. Willie Roaf retired following the '05 season but is eligible in 2011.

Side Note: A player must be retired for 5 years, correct? Well Roaf retired in '05 so how is he eligible in 2011?

A-hem.

cdcox
01-06-2009, 10:21 PM
A-hem.

Wikipedia's wrong?

Mecca
01-06-2009, 10:22 PM
It's probably because he just signed to retire and didn't actually play.

Deberg_1990
01-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Just watch in 10 years we'll be talking about how the **** guys like Willie McGinest are getting in the HOF.


Yep...and Mike Vrabel and Tedy Bruschi are already locks.

unothadeal
01-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Yep...and Mike Vrabel and Tedy Bruschi are already locks.

Well he does have the best reception to TD ratio in NFL history.

Rain Man
01-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Who Should Go In (In Order of Deservedness)

Bruce Smith
Derrick Thomas
Rod Woodson
Cris Carter
Bob Hayes (senior)

Guys Who Should Make It Eventually (In Order)

Paul Tagliabue
Richard Dent
Ralph Wilson
Randall McDaniel
Shannon Sharpe (begrudgingly - jerk)

Guys Who Shouldn't Be On This List

Dermontti Dawson
Russ Grimm
Claude Humphrey (senior)
Cortez Kennedy
Bob Kuechenberg
John Randle
Andre Reed


That said, here are the guys who will make it this year

Paul Tagliabue
Richard Dent
Bruce Smith
Rod Woodson (because he's on TV)
Shannon Sharpe (because he's on TV)
Bob Hayes (senior)

The NFL feeds the machine, and if they can have announcers, even illiterate mushmouth announcers, who are "in the Hall of Fame", they'll push those people to the front of the line.

Demonpenz
01-06-2009, 11:25 PM
who was a the best center in the dermonte dawsons era?

noa
01-06-2009, 11:38 PM
BOO :mad::BS:nlm:loser:

In my defense, I think DT deserves to get in, and I wish he would, but being a KC sports fan has caused me to be pessimistic about these sorts of things. So I went with Dent because he has SB rings and was an SB MVP. I don't think that stuff should matter in the HOF because football is a team sport, and its not DT's fault the Chiefs didn't win an SB, but oh well, that's just how I see it playing out.

ChiefsCountry
01-06-2009, 11:41 PM
Who Should Go In (In Order of Deservedness)

Bruce Smith
Derrick Thomas
Rod Woodson
Cris Carter
Bob Hayes (senior)

Guys Who Should Make It Eventually (In Order)

Paul Tagliabue
Richard Dent
Ralph Wilson
Randall McDaniel
Shannon Sharpe (begrudgingly - jerk)

Guys Who Shouldn't Be On This List

Dermontti Dawson
Russ Grimm
Claude Humphrey (senior)
Cortez Kennedy
Bob Kuechenberg
John Randle
Andre Reed


That said, here are the guys who will make it this year

Paul Tagliabue
Richard Dent
Bruce Smith
Rod Woodson (because he's on TV)
Shannon Sharpe (because he's on TV)
Bob Hayes (senior)

The NFL feeds the machine, and if they can have announcers, even illiterate mushmouth announcers, who are "in the Hall of Fame", they'll push those people to the front of the line.

Rod Woodson should be in before DT. He was on the NFL's All 75 team.

Demonpenz
01-06-2009, 11:54 PM
brandon flowers reminds me of rod woodson, a cb who can tackle and hit :clap:

royr17
01-07-2009, 02:35 AM
Willie Roaf gets in in 2011 because he retired in 2006.