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Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 04:41 PM
this seems to be our hardest fix in 2009 to me

free agency

suggs - a bit overrated imo, you surround him with lesser talent instead of uber talent and your just as likely to get kendrell bell as you are bobby

julius peppers - almost 30 :( sporadic performance


Draft

the top 4 will prolly all be gone in round 1 so realistically we can't get them unless we pass on a QB

1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
3. George Selvie, South Florida
4. Everette Brown, Florida State


so what DE in the draft, not going in round 1, could be a viable starter for us?

bowener
01-07-2009, 04:44 PM
STEROIDS!

edit:

We are going to force our players to fit the molds of 3-4 players. Dorsey will get on HGH and become a DE, HALI/McBride too, but they will become OLB's. Boone will stay fat and play 3-4 DE, Tank will stay fat and strong and play NT... PERFECT!1!11!!!

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-07-2009, 04:44 PM
Buddy Biancalana

MIAdragon
01-07-2009, 04:45 PM
Greg Hardy the kid from Ole Miss?

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 04:45 PM
I think we can get Selvie in the 2nd, but he is a pass rush specialist only IMO.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 04:46 PM
Greg Hardy the kid from Ole Miss?

Good call. 2nd maybe? I don't know.

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 04:47 PM
Terrell Suggs FTW

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 04:47 PM
As far as the draft, we could get lucky and have Selvie fall or go for Greg Hardy.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 04:49 PM
if Selvie falls to us in RD 2 i would Fap right there on the spot

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 04:49 PM
As far as the draft, we could get lucky and have Selvie fall or go for Greg Hardy.

Scratch Selvie - he's returning to USF for his senior season.

http://southflorida.scout.com/2/828219.html

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 04:50 PM
Scratch Selvie - he's returning to USF for his senior season.

http://southflorida.scout.com/2/828219.html

Dammnn.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 04:50 PM
Suggs is our best bet. He is young enough as well. Could be our Charles Haley addition.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 04:52 PM
A lot of people are going to be disappointed when Suggs is either franchised, or signs an extension with the Ravens.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 04:53 PM
A lot of people are going to be disappointed when Suggs is either franchised, or signs an extension with the Ravens.

Not really sure he would be that great a fit in the 4-3 anyway.

Direckshun
01-07-2009, 04:54 PM
We probably won't "fix" RDE this year.

It's going to take a back seat, in all likelihood, to QB, OL, and LB.

There will be a DE or two brought in/drafted, but neither one of them will be the stud we need at the position. Most Chiefs fans will hate me for saying this, but the most we should be focused on DE this year is depth.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 04:55 PM
We probably won't "fix" RDE this year.

It's going to take a back seat, in all likelihood, to QB, OL, and LB.

There will be a DE or two brought in/drafted, but neither one of them will be the stud we need at the position. Most Chiefs fans will hate me for saying this, but the most we should be focused on DE this year is depth.

I'm with you 100%

And honestly, it's kind of being forced on us anyway. There really isn't any elite talent at DE in the draft this year.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 04:55 PM
We probably won't "fix" RDE this year.

It's going to take a back seat, in all likelihood, to QB, OL, and LB.

There will be a DE or two brought in/drafted, but neither one of them will be the stud we need at the position. Most Chiefs fans will hate me for saying this, but the most we should be focused on DE this year is depth.

Probably the only option we have.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 04:56 PM
You can't fix everything in 1 year, expecting to get a QB and a DE in the same year is asking to much you're asking to fill the most important positions on each side of the ball with a premier young player in the same offseason...that's a pipedream for even the best front offices.

Extra Point
01-07-2009, 04:57 PM
Repair at RDE is done with ROLB. Put DJ back outside and put in a MLB like Maluauga.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 04:58 PM
We probably won't "fix" RDE this year.

It's going to take a back seat, in all likelihood, to QB, OL, and LB.

There will be a DE or two brought in/drafted, but neither one of them will be the stud we need at the position. Most Chiefs fans will hate me for saying this, but the most we should be focused on DE this year is depth.
i hate you, i hate you, i hate you!! :cuss:

AustinChief
01-07-2009, 04:58 PM
What about Jerry Hughes in the 2nd round? I have only watched him in a couple of games but he was damn impressive.

Anybody have any additional info on the NCAA sack leader?

Mecca
01-07-2009, 04:59 PM
Repair at RDE is done with ROLB. Put DJ back outside and put in a MLB like Maluauga.

No offense or anything but it's probably time to admit Derrick Johnson isn't the player we thought he would be.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 05:00 PM
No offense or anything but it's probably time to admit Derrick Johnson isn't the player we thought he would be.

He's definitely not what we thought he would be, but he can be a very solid Will backer.

Extra Point
01-07-2009, 05:01 PM
No offense or anything but it's probably time to admit Derrick Johnson isn't the player we thought he would be.

I understand that.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 05:02 PM
He's definitely not what we thought he would be, but he can be a very solid Will backer.

At this point I'm not even sure of that, he's a talented guy but he's passive. It's very hard to teach someone a different demeanor there is just no aggressiveness or nasty attitude about him at all.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 05:04 PM
At this point I'm not even sure of that, he's a talented guy but he's passive. It's very hard to teach someone a different demeanor there is just no aggressiveness or nasty attitude about him at all.

I hear ya. I really don't know what we should do about him, or that position.

Red Beans
01-07-2009, 05:05 PM
I think we can get Selvie in the 2nd, but he is a pass rush specialist only IMO.

On one hand I agree we need a complete RDE but this team is so inept at pressuring the QB I'd say take him. Right now, and I stress the term "right now", I could give a shit if the opposition runs all day on us. I wouldnt be much different than this year.

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 05:06 PM
On one hand I agree we need a complete RDE but this team is so inept at pressuring the QB I'd say take him. Right now, and I stress the term "right now", I could give a shit if the opposition runs all day on us. I wouldnt be much different than this year.

Moot. Selvie is returning to school.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 05:07 PM
we can't be worrying about Derrick Johnson right now.

he's far from being our biggest problem .... even in the top 10


he's a viable starter in the NFL .... lets worry about the other 2 linebacker spots before we go inventing more problems.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 05:08 PM
we may have to spend money on Peppers even though we shouldn't

no pass rush just kills the rest of the team


even if we only get 2/3 years out of peppers and have to eat some contract.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 05:11 PM
You have to think about him because his contract is coming up...the best way to describe him is soft, he's everything I think of when someone says a player is soft.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Here is our boy in 2010.
http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0501/ncf_g_griffen_200.jpg

beach tribe
01-07-2009, 05:14 PM
we may have to spend money on Peppers even though we shouldn't

no pass rush just kills the rest of the team


even if we only get 2/3 years out of peppers and have to eat some contract.

I wouldn't do it, but we certainly have the money, and I think he could be affective for another 4-5 yrs. Like I said, I wouldn't make that call, but I won't be too pissed if we did. Especially if we can somehow get him for a decent contract, but I'm pretty sure he's gonna be looking for huge money, because this may be his final big pay day. I just don't see it happening, and if we're gonna have a bidding war, I don't want any part of it.

CrazyPhuD
01-07-2009, 05:16 PM
THe thing that sucks is that even if we draft the best QB this year in round 1. We're still not winning any more games unless we get lucky with D later on. Offense didn't lose the games we did(although you could argue coaching did a few....)

Mecca
01-07-2009, 05:23 PM
THe thing that sucks is that even if we draft the best QB this year in round 1. We're still not winning any more games unless we get lucky with D later on. Offense didn't lose the games we did(although you could argue coaching did a few....)

Having a competent coordinator should improve the defense to an extent...any DC worth a shit doesn't need elite players everywhere to make it work.

Infidel Goat
01-07-2009, 05:35 PM
I am of the Suggs camp.

That leaves QB, MLB, and RT as the three most gaping holes. If we can fill another one of them through FA, then we just might be able to fill in the biggest holes this offseason.

Micjones
01-07-2009, 05:50 PM
Suggs has to be at the top of your FA list and I think you look to draft a DE as well.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 05:52 PM
Suggs has to be at the top of your FA list and I think you look to draft a DE as well.

Hopefully not in the 1st round because I don't think any of these guys have established themselves as top 10 picks.

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Here is our boy in 2010.
http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0501/ncf_g_griffen_200.jpg

This guy will be SICK next year and will be a potential top pick in 2010:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0609/ncf_dunlap_200.jpg

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2009, 06:10 PM
Three schools of thought:
#1 - Go after a complete RDE. Very hard to find and Peppers is the only one available who fits that mold, but at a very hefty price
#2 - Switch to a 3-4--these tweener OLB/DEs are much easier to find. Only issue is, you now have to move Dorsey to DE, which could undermine his value
#3 - Bring in a speed edge rusher. Much easier to find, but he'll be a liability against the run.

RDE is such a hard position to find. I'm leaning more and more toward just pushing for a 3-4 defense if we're going to uproot it anyway.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 06:12 PM
This guy will be SICK next year and will be a potential top pick in 2010:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0609/ncf_dunlap_200.jpg

Is that the Cunningham kid that abused Jake Long last year?

RustShack
01-07-2009, 06:14 PM
Brian Johnston.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 06:14 PM
Brian Johnston.

LMAO

the Talking Can
01-07-2009, 06:16 PM
.Brian Shay.

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 06:17 PM
Is that the Cunningham kid that abused Jake Long last year?

No. Cunningham is good, but this guy will be SCARY GOOD.

It's Carlos Dunlap. He'll be a true junior next year and should start. He's already 6'6"-6'7" and reportedly still growing. He's listed at 290lbs and he runs a 4.7 40". He's the complete package and exactly what you want at RDE - can play the run, can generate pass rush and is athletic as hell.

He had 9 sacks this year (led the SEC), 12 tackles for a loss, 1 forced fumble and 2 blocked kicks.

Cunningham is more of a speed rusher. Dunlap does it all.

aturnis
01-07-2009, 06:19 PM
Any speculation if Aaron Maybin is going to come out?

DeezNutz
01-07-2009, 06:21 PM
:grovel:

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Any speculation if Aaron Maybin is going to come out?

I get the feeling he'll be more effective in a 3-4 than a 4-3.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 06:27 PM
No. Cunningham is good, but this guy will be SCARY GOOD.

It's Carlos Dunlap. He'll be a true junior next year and should start. He's already 6'6"-6'7" and reportedly still growing. He's listed at 290lbs and he runs a 4.7 40". He's the complete package and exactly what you want at RDE - can play the run, can generate pass rush and is athletic as hell.

He had 9 sacks this year (led the SEC), 12 tackles for a loss, 1 forced fumble and 2 blocked kicks.

Cunningham is more of a speed rusher. Dunlap does it all.


Damn. You just gave me a reason to watch tomorrow night.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 06:28 PM
I get the feeling he'll be more effective in a 3-4 than a 4-3.

Unless he puts on 30 pounds, I'd agree.

DJ's left nut
01-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Sign Haynesworth.

Stick him at the head up tackle, have Dorsey as an off tackle and suddenly you're creating enough havoc inside that a healthy Hali and a moderate FA pickup on the RDE side will find themselves single-teamed with nowhere for the QB to go but backwards into the rushing lanes.

DaKCMan AP
01-07-2009, 06:35 PM
Damn. You just gave me a reason to watch tomorrow night.

There's lots of reason to watch. Percy Harvin, Brandon Spikes, Tebow, Bradford, Loadholt, Cunningham, Gresham, Louis Murphy.

Not coming out this year but future pros: Dunlap, Joe Haden, Janoris Jenkins, Major Wright, Aaron Hernandez, the Pouncey twins, Justin Trattou.

It's disgusting how much young talent there is. If Tebow returns even losing Percy, Murphy and Spikes I think next year's team will be even better than this year's.

aturnis
01-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Well, if Maybin came out, it might push another good DE to the 2nd round for us.

DaneMcCloud
01-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Suggs is our best bet. He is young enough as well. Could be our Charles Haley addition.

Hopefully he doesn't jack off on Gonzalez.

Somehow I get the feeling that while Tony's a vegan, he wouldn't appreciate that type of protein.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 06:55 PM
A lot of people are going to be disappointed when Suggs is either franchised

Ravens franchised him last season.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 06:55 PM
Hopefully he doesn't jack off on Gonzalez.

Somehow I get the feeling that while Tony's a vegan, he wouldn't appreciate that type of protein.

ROFL Bowe is the Irvin clone. :D

J Diddy
01-07-2009, 07:33 PM
Three schools of thought:
#1 - Go after a complete RDE. Very hard to find and Peppers is the only one available who fits that mold, but at a very hefty price
#2 - Switch to a 3-4--these tweener OLB/DEs are much easier to find. Only issue is, you now have to move Dorsey to DE, which could undermine his value
#3 - Bring in a speed edge rusher. Much easier to find, but he'll be a liability against the run.

RDE is such a hard position to find. I'm leaning more and more toward just pushing for a 3-4 defense if we're going to uproot it anyway.


you'd have to dump every d lineman on the roster to play 3-4

Cormac
01-07-2009, 07:35 PM
Without reading the replies, I hope we spend our first pick on a pass-rushing DE (assuming we're not making a crazy reach). My logic is that I think we are better served plugging along with Thigpen/Croyle/FA/whoever at QB and getting a real pass-rush, than we are drafting a QB and plugging in whoever at DE. I think it's our biggest issue (and I'm not a Thigpen backer).

Hydrae
01-07-2009, 07:36 PM
you'd have to dump every d lineman on the roster to play 3-4

If it wasn't for Dorsey I would not see any problem in doing that.

Count Zarth
01-07-2009, 07:36 PM
Is it just me or is it easier to find 3-4 rushbackers than a true 4-3, 6-5 270 stud RDE?

If we get Pioli and he wants to implement the 3-4 it might help.

Hydrae
01-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Is it just me or is it easier to find 3-4 rushbackers than a true 4-3, 6-5 270 stud RDE?

If we get Pioli and he wants to implement the 3-4 it might help.

Interesting. I have always thought the coach would be the one to decide the style of defense played on the field, not the GM. Obviously the GM has some say based on who he hires as coach but I would not expect a GM to "implement" anything on the field.

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 07:44 PM
Without reading the replies, I hope we spend our first pick on a pass-rushing DE (assuming we're not making a crazy reach). My logic is that I think we are better served plugging along with Thigpen/Croyle/FA/whoever at QB and getting a real pass-rush, than we are drafting a QB and plugging in whoever at DE. I think it's our biggest issue (and I'm not a Thigpen backer).

A franchise QB is worth more than a franchise pass rusher.

aturnis
01-07-2009, 07:45 PM
I have come to believe that using the #3 pick on a DE would be a mistake. I don't think there are any top 5 DE's available unless Maybin comes out. Orakpo doesn't seem to be the guy you'd want holding down your right side for years to come, and the talent gap between the top DE and a guy in the 2nd isn't enough to make me want to reach for a DE in the top 5.

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 07:48 PM
Without reading the replies, I hope we spend our first pick on a pass-rushing DE (assuming we're not making a crazy reach). My logic is that I think we are better served plugging along with Thigpen/Croyle/FA/whoever at QB and getting a real pass-rush, than we are drafting a QB and plugging in whoever at DE. I think it's our biggest issue (and I'm not a Thigpen backer).
no RDE worth the #3 pick is there?

besides .... unless we are gonna go 2-14 next year we won't be there for a franchise QB.

suds79
01-07-2009, 07:48 PM
I don't think we necessarily have to draft a DE in the top 3.

No matter what, we're going to have to find some gems in the rough throughout this draft if this team is going to turn it around anytime soon.

We will be drafting pretty high in the 2nd.

OnTheWarpath58
01-07-2009, 07:51 PM
no RDE worth the #3 pick is there?

besides .... unless we are gonna go 2-14 next year we won't be there for a franchise QB.

Tell that to Baltimore, who found one at #18

Or Cleveland at #22.

Green Bay at #24.

And so on...

aturnis
01-07-2009, 07:57 PM
no RDE worth the #3 pick is there?

So...is this a question or a statement?

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 07:57 PM
I don't think we necessarily have to draft a DE in the top 3.

No matter what, we're going to have to find some gems in the rough throughout this draft if this team is going to turn it around anytime soon.

We will be drafting pretty high in the 2nd.
which brings us back to the original question of the thread

is there a RDE in the draft AFTER round 1 that can fill our need?

Mr. Laz
01-07-2009, 07:58 PM
So...is this a question or a statement?
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redsurfer11
01-07-2009, 08:04 PM
I'm still on the Brian Johnson band wagon.The most difficult positions in the league are the defensive line positions.The first year is difficult, most players show no progress. But, the second year is where you find out if you've made a good choice.Mario Williams had 1 sack his rookie year, and was called a failed draft pick. Neil Smith had a real bad rookie year and turned into a Pro Bowl player.Give this kid a chance,he has the speed and footwork,he needs a few more pass rush moves,could turn into a good player.

Chiefnj2
01-07-2009, 08:17 PM
which brings us back to the original question of the thread

is there a RDE in the draft AFTER round 1 that can fill our need?

English and the kid from Wisonsin could be 2nd round players. Later you could try the kid from the Bearcats, Hardy and Graham.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Aaron Maybin weighs 235lbs you really wanna line him up at end or use top 5 pick on him? If you want a comparison Taylor Mays and Aaron Maybin are roughly he same size..

There aren't any elite prospects at end this year there's alot of good ones but at 3 I don't see any of them right now worth that pick.

And for what Claythan said there are alot of undersized pass rushers that fit into the 3-4...but finding the huge 350lb mammoth DT is a very hard thing to do.

StcChief
01-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Aaron Maybin weighs 235lbs you really wanna line him up at end or use top 5 pick on him? If you want a comparison Taylor Mays and Aaron Maybin are roughly he same size..

There aren't any elite prospects at end this year there's alot of good ones but at 3 I don't see any of them right now worth that pick.

And for what Claythan said there are alot of undersized pass rushers that fit into the 3-4...but finding the huge 350lb mammoth DT is a very hard thing to do. That is disappointing..... no diamonds in rough ala Jared Allen?

we do have cap room if a FA was available. We really need a rusher.

the Talking Can
01-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Is it just me or is it easier to find 3-4 rushbackers than a true 4-3, 6-5 270 stud RDE?

If we get Pioli and he wants to implement the 3-4 it might help.

that's because it is easier to find LBs in general...the specific talent and skill required to be a dominant RDE are very rare....

i've secretly wished we'd move to a 3-4 for awhile...i've always been envious of the way Pittsburgh seems to grow LBs...replacing them is easier as well, compared to DE

of course, then you have to find a NT....

i realize we don't have the personnel, but i'd be happy to endure the pain of a transition...

but maybe i'm just tired of drafting crap after crap DL

Mecca
01-07-2009, 08:58 PM
I'm not overly concerned with it, the Chiefs in all likelyhood aren't gonna go from 2-14 to 10-6...there's just to many needs and key core positions.

If the record can improve to by just a couple wins that'll be solid progress with next schedule also depending on how certain guys play.

Chiefnj2
01-07-2009, 09:02 PM
Aaron Maybin weighs 235lbs you really wanna line him up at end or use top 5 pick on him? If you want a comparison Taylor Mays and Aaron Maybin are roughly he same size..

There aren't any elite prospects at end this year there's alot of good ones but at 3 I don't see any of them right now worth that pick.

And for what Claythan said there are alot of undersized pass rushers that fit into the 3-4...but finding the huge 350lb mammoth DT is a very hard thing to do.


What do you need a 350lb DT for?

Deberg_1990
01-07-2009, 09:05 PM
I'm not overly concerned with it, the Chiefs in all likelyhood aren't gonna go from 2-14 to 10-6...there's just to many needs and key core positions.

If the record can improve to by just a couple wins that'll be solid progress with next schedule also depending on how certain guys play.

If a top QB is there at #3, its almost a given the Chiefs are gonna go that way.

Its a pick they must make.

Cornstock
01-07-2009, 09:07 PM
I'm still on the Brian Johnson band wagon.The most difficult positions in the league are the defensive line positions.The first year is difficult, most players show no progress. But, the second year is where you find out if you've made a good choice.Mario Williams had 1 sack his rookie year, and was called a failed draft pick. Neil Smith had a real bad rookie year and turned into a Pro Bowl player.Give this kid a chance,he has the speed and footwork,he needs a few more pass rush moves,could turn into a good player.

Normally I would agree with you, and hopefully Im wrong, but Im afraid his injury may have set him back too much. Availability is a player's greatest asset.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 09:09 PM
What do you need a 350lb DT for?

If you play 3-4 you have to have a mammoth super strong DT at the nose those guys are not easy to find.

DT58HOF
01-07-2009, 09:11 PM
Jared Allen would be sweeeeeetttt, shit we had him and gave him away scrath that off the lists

cdcox
01-07-2009, 09:19 PM
From '92 to '95 the Chiefs ran a 4-3 with DT at Will in a pass rush mode on the blitz. Why can't the Chiefs draft one of the many DE/LB tweeners that come out every year and make him a situational pass rusher and as he develops, a full time LB. He won't be DT, but it would be better than where we are at now, which is zero pass rush. We add a RDE down the road when we get the chance. This assumes that Dorsey develops. If Dorsey busts, our front seven is going to be really bad, for a really long time.

Cornstock
01-07-2009, 09:26 PM
From '92 to '95 the Chiefs ran a 4-3 with DT at Will in a pass rush mode on the blitz. Why can't the Chiefs draft one of the many DE/LB tweeners that come out every year and make him a situational pass rusher and as he develops, a full time LB. He won't be DT, but it would be better than where we are at now, which is zero pass rush. We add a RDE down the road when we get the chance. This assumes that Dorsey develops. If Dorsey busts, our front seven is going to be really bad, for a really long time.

Mark Herzlich from BC would be a good value pick if he comes out. The dude is a BAMF

Count Zarth
01-07-2009, 09:31 PM
From '92 to '95 the Chiefs ran a 4-3 with DT at Will in a pass rush mode on the blitz. Why can't the Chiefs draft one of the many DE/LB tweeners that come out every year and make him a situational pass rusher and as he develops, a full time LB. He won't be DT, but it would be better than where we are at now, which is zero pass rush. We add a RDE down the road when we get the chance. This assumes that Dorsey develops. If Dorsey busts, our front seven is going to be really bad, for a really long time.

Gunther tried that this year with DeMorrio Williams!

cdcox
01-07-2009, 09:42 PM
Gunther tried that this year with DeMorrio Williams!

I know you're joking, but I don't think Williams blitzed very often this year. He had zero sacks. His best year with Atlanta is 3 sacks. Not really the kind of guy I had in mind.

Think a Joey Porter type.

chiefzilla1501
01-07-2009, 09:44 PM
If you play 3-4 you have to have a mammoth super strong DT at the nose those guys are not easy to find.

The reason I'd consider a 3-4 is that a mammoth DT and an OLB/DE is a hell or a lot easier of a combo to find than 2 very good DEs.

Chiefnj2
01-07-2009, 09:48 PM
If you play 3-4 you have to have a mammoth super strong DT at the nose those guys are not easy to find.

They aren't 350lbs.

EyePod
01-07-2009, 10:07 PM
this seems to be our hardest fix in 2009 to me

free agency

suggs - a bit overrated imo, you surround him with lesser talent instead of uber talent and your just as likely to get kendrell bell as you are bobby

julius peppers - almost 30 :( sporadic performance


Draft

the top 4 will prolly all be gone in round 1 so realistically we can't get them unless we pass on a QB

1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
3. George Selvie, South Florida
4. Everette Brown, Florida State


so what DE in the draft, not going in round 1, could be a viable starter for us?

Only Johnson. That's it. I know Orakpo was double and triple teamed the entire game against OSU, but still. I love Johnson.

Mecca
01-07-2009, 10:09 PM
They aren't 350lbs.

Figure of speech but you know what I mean...a nose tackle in a 3-4 is just as hard as finding legit ends in a 3-4.

EyePod
01-07-2009, 10:11 PM
this seems to be our hardest fix in 2009 to me

free agency

suggs - a bit overrated imo, you surround him with lesser talent instead of uber talent and your just as likely to get kendrell bell as you are bobby

julius peppers - almost 30 :( sporadic performance


Draft

the top 4 will prolly all be gone in round 1 so realistically we can't get them unless we pass on a QB

1. Brian Orakpo, Texas
2. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
3. George Selvie, South Florida
4. Everette Brown, Florida State


so what DE in the draft, not going in round 1, could be a viable starter for us?

Oh, and Suggs is a 3-4 OLB. Isn't that too small for a DE?

ChiefsCountry
01-07-2009, 10:23 PM
Oh, and Suggs is a 3-4 OLB. Isn't that too small for a DE?

He is 6-3 260.

aturnis
01-07-2009, 10:23 PM
Aaron Maybin weighs 235lbs you really wanna line him up at end or use top 5 pick on him? If you want a comparison Taylor Mays and Aaron Maybin are roughly he same size..

There aren't any elite prospects at end this year there's alot of good ones but at 3 I don't see any of them right now worth that pick.

And for what Claythan said there are alot of undersized pass rushers that fit into the 3-4...but finding the huge 350lb mammoth DT is a very hard thing to do.

Never said draft Maybin. Just thought if he declared, it'd push a guy who was previously a 1st rounder into the top of the 2nd.

dj56dt58
01-07-2009, 10:33 PM
I think we can get Selvie in the 2nd, but he is a pass rush specialist only IMO.

thats fine..he can work on his run defense like Jared Allen did

bowener
01-08-2009, 04:23 AM
Only Johnson. That's it. I know Orakpo was double and triple teamed the entire game against OSU, but still. I love Johnson.

Is this sarcasm?

There was no need to double or triple team him, Boone manhandled him pretty damn well on his own the whole game. Only sack he got was when they moved him to LDE and rushed him off the edge against the RT on an obvious deep pass... not exactly what you like the see from the "best" DE in the draft.

Red Beans
01-08-2009, 06:23 AM
Sign Haynesworth.

Stick him at the head up tackle, have Dorsey as an off tackle and suddenly you're creating enough havoc inside that a healthy Hali and a moderate FA pickup on the RDE side will find themselves single-teamed with nowhere for the QB to go but backwards into the rushing lanes.


Ding ding ding...What do we have for him Bob? Good call.:)

Cormac
01-08-2009, 08:09 AM
The dude is a BAMF

.....best available mother f***er?

:shrug:

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 08:19 AM
Figure of speech but you know what I mean...a nose tackle in a 3-4 is just as hard as finding legit ends in a 3-4.

I disagree. Teams that play a 3-4 seem to do a better job of replenishing their entire front 7 than teams that play a 4-3.

chiefzilla1501
01-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Figure of speech but you know what I mean...a nose tackle in a 3-4 is just as hard as finding legit ends in a 3-4.

I think you meant to say "4-3", and you are right. A 3-4 NT is as difficult to find as a 4-3 DE.

But in a 4-3, you need to find TWO DEs. In a 3-4, you need to find ONE Nose Tackle.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 09:23 AM
Repair at RDE is done with ROLB. Put DJ back outside and put in a MLB like Maluauga.the 1990's agrees with this strategy.

Maybe we can play Whitesnake to get the crowd jacked up.

Sacks coming from OLBs in the 4-3 are a gimmick, not a fix.

chiefsfan4life1978
01-08-2009, 10:33 AM
Remember, just about every draft produces a Jared Allen, Trent Cole, Justin Tuck, etc. So chances are, there will be someone in rounds 3 or later who can be very productive. Maybe our new fresh sets of eyes can find this year's DE steal.

BigChiefFan
01-08-2009, 11:21 AM
I think you meant to say "4-3", and you are right. A 3-4 NT is as difficult to find as a 4-3 DE.

But in a 4-3, you need to find TWO DEs. In a 3-4, you need to find ONE Nose Tackle.
We already have ONE of the DTs named Dorsey-he's the undertackle-now we need the mammoth road grader beside him.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 11:25 AM
We already have ONE of the DTs named Dorsey-he's the undertackle-now we need the mammoth road grader beside him.
tyler is supposed to be that

BigChiefFan
01-08-2009, 11:33 AM
tyler is supposed to be that"Supposed to be" are the key words here.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 11:46 AM
Maybe we could trade for one. Someone like Jared Allen...

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01-08-2009, 11:49 AM
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DJ's left nut
01-08-2009, 11:56 AM
We already have ONE of the DTs named Dorsey-he's the undertackle-now we need the mammoth road grader beside him.

ALBERT!!

Seems like an exceptionally easy fix.

It's certainly the type of fix a young owner with a new GM, a metric !@#$ ton of money, and $30+ million in cap space ought to pursue.

Again guys, Haynesworth has made roughly a 10 point difference in the Titans defense in games he has played v. games he's missed over the last 3 years. He's just that good. He changes the entire dynamic of the defense in a way that no other available player could (and possibly no other player in the NFL period).

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 12:03 PM
ALBERT!!

Seems like an exceptionally easy fix.

It's certainly the type of fix a young owner with a new GM, a metric !@#$ ton of money, and $30+ million in cap space ought to pursue.

Again guys, Haynesworth has made roughly a 10 point difference in the Titans defense in games he has played v. games he's missed over the last 3 years. He's just that good. He changes the entire dynamic of the defense in a way that no other available player could (and possibly no other player in the NFL period).

Haynesworth only put up big numbers in contract years and he hasn't played a full 16 game season since his rookie year.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 12:27 PM
tyler is supposed to be that

He's not that, he's lost weight since coming into the league and now weighs about 300lbs, he's considered a bit small for an NFL DT at this stage.

lazepoo
01-08-2009, 12:45 PM
He's not that, he's lost weight since coming into the league and now weighs about 300lbs, he's considered a bit small for an NFL DT at this stage.

From what I understand, Tyler is basically a poor man's Dorsey which is why Dorsey wasn't playing in position this year.

DJ's left nut
01-08-2009, 12:48 PM
Haynesworth only put up big numbers in contract years and he hasn't played a full 16 game season since his rookie year.

He's still playing 13 or so and setting aside his numbers, the point differential has been stark well before he was a FA. Like I said, that statistic went back several years.

Even if he's not getting 10 sacks, he's still a massive human being that will demand a double team even if he's slacking.

All FA's run the risk of being lazy after they get their deal. Unlike most, however, even a lazy Haynesworth is a difference maker by virtue of his mere presence.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 12:48 PM
From what I understand, Tyler is basically a poor man's Dorsey which is why Dorsey wasn't playing in position this year.

This is just more of why Tim Krumrie is a complete retard.

beach tribe
01-08-2009, 01:49 PM
thats fine..he can work on his run defense like Jared Allen did

He's staying in school so scratch that idea.