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bowener
01-08-2009, 02:31 AM
Glenn Dorsey

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bowener
01-08-2009, 02:32 AM
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All-Disappointment Team (cont.) (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/01/07/all-disappointment-team/1.html)

Defensive end


Jason Taylor (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3968), Redskins -- After spending most of his offseason Dancing with the Stars, Taylor stomped his way out of Miami and into Washington in a blockbuster July trade. And what did the Redskins get for their $8 million, not to mention their second- and sixth-round picks? All of 3 sacks and 29 tackles in 13 games of action. Yes, he was injured part of the time, but even when he was healthy, he was underwhelming. Taylor said recently he wouldn't be surprised if he didn't return to Washington for a second season. Neither would we.
• Dishonorable mention: Jamaal Anderson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8262), Falcons -- The No. 8 overall pick in the 2007 draft got the first two sacks of his career this season. Need I say more?
Defensive tackle

Glenn Dorsey (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8782), Chiefs -- Dorsey was expected to be a play-making force for Kansas City this season, but the No. 5 overall pick barely registered on the impact radar screen. His season totals of one sack, one forced fumble, and one pass defensed used to be a good quarter for him at LSU. What happened to all that explosiveness that we saw from him as a Tiger?
• Dishonorable mention: Adam Carriker (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8267), Rams -- Not to pick on the youngsters, but the 2007 first-round pick was sack-less in St. Louis this year.
Inside linebacker

Brian Urlacher (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5038), Bears -- His reputation says he's one of the most dominating defensive players in the game. But reality says Urlacher just had a season in which he made almost no big plays for a Bears defense that has slid a long way from its 2006 hey day. Urlacher had no sacks, no forced fumbles and just two interceptions this season. That's almost hard to do when you start and play all 16 games in the middle of a defense.
• Dishonorable mention: Lofa Tatupu (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7221), Seattle -- Same story as Urlacher. Got paid in the offseason, and then all but disappeared this season in terms of impact.
Outside linebacker

Vernon Gholston (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8783), Jets -- And to think that the Ohio State linebacker at one point was considered a candidate to go first overall in last April's draft. New York took him sixth overall, and he was hands-down the biggest disappointment of the first round. By season's end, he wasn't even making the game-day active roster. His 13 tackles, no sacks, no fumbles forced and no interceptions make him our easiest pick of all.
• Dishonorable mention: Marcus Washington (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4830), Redskins -- His play has really fallen off after three superb seasons at the start of his Redskins career.
Cornerback

DeAngelo Hall (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6767), Raiders/Redskins -- The mind boggles at the fact Oakland gave Atlanta second- and fifth-round picks for Hall last offseason, and then handed him a seven-year, $70 million contract that included $24.5 million of guarantees. He got torched so routinely this season that the Raiders released him after just eight games, for which he was paid $8 million. He then signed with the Redskins and resumed his underachieving ways.
• Dishonorable mention: Adam Jones (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7182), Dallas -- What exactly was all the fuss about? For what he produced this season for the Cowboys, Pacman certainly wasn't worth all the trouble.
Safety

Ken Hamlin (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6378), Cowboys -- Hamlin had a career year and made the Pro Bowl with Dallas in 2007, and then got franchised, ultimately signing a six-year, $39 million contract that included $9 million to sign and guarantees of almost $15 million. As for this season, if he ever made a big play, I missed it. All I ever saw of Hamlin was the back of his jersey, either missing a tackle or chasing another receiver or running back to the end zone.
• Dishonorable mention: Kerry Rhodes (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7299), Jets -- I like Rhodes, but he just wasn't anywhere near the top of his game in 2008. His two picks, one sack and five passes defensed made very little impact.
Kicker

Shaun Suisham (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/7527), Redskins -- Suisham was the NFL's least reliable kicker, missing a league-high 10 field goals (26 of 36), including nine misses in 25 tries from 30 to 49 yards. That's just not up to snuff by NFL kicking standards these days.
• Dishonorable mention: Matt Prater (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/8565), Denver -- In the thin air of Denver, where Jason Elam (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/2495) thrived for years, Prater somehow went just 5 of 11 from 40-49 yards, for a 46 percent success ratio.
Head coach

Jack Del Rio, Jaguars -- Jacksonville was supposed to have a team poised for a legitimate run at the Super Bowl. But the bottom fell out for the Jaguars this season, with horrible locker room chemistry, sloppy play and a coaching staff that seemed powerless to change the losing dynamic. The low point of the season was Del Rio's ugly head-to-head showdown with linebacker Mike Peterson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4685).
• Dishonorable mention: Wade Phillips, Cowboys -- Dallas was a season-long train wreck, and Phillips proved himself to be the conductor who didn't know where the brake switch was located.
General manager

Jerry Jones, Cowboys -- You could give Jones this honor for the Pacman Jones and Roy Williams (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6766) trades alone. But then, that would be overlooking so many other moves that didn't pan out. Like signing Flozell Adams (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4298) and Ken Hamlin to big money deals, and not having a backup quarterback in place who could keep Dallas winning despite Tony Romo (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6624)'s three-game absence due to injury.
• Dishonorable mention: Al Davis, Raiders -- There must be something about the notion of an owner being his own general manager that just doesn't work. Because Davis missed on Javon Walker (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5906) and DeAngelo Hall this season, and Jones had the failures we noted above.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2009, 03:54 AM
at least we didn't pick Gholston

Fritz88
01-08-2009, 04:09 AM
I am sticking with him for a year, next season or he needs to get out.

bowener
01-08-2009, 05:15 AM
He will get better as soon as we drop this asshat of a coaching staff.

Pablo
01-08-2009, 06:54 AM
I am sticking with him for a year, next season or he needs to get out.LOL.

Srsly?

TEX
01-08-2009, 07:17 AM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:

InChiefsHell
01-08-2009, 07:20 AM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:

Exactly...daaaamn...


...need better coaching...that might have been Sims' problem too, now that I think of it... :shrug:

kc rush
01-08-2009, 07:59 AM
LJ got the dishonorable mention for RB's in that same piece. -

Darren McFadden, Raiders -- We thought about just retiring this position in Larry Johnson's honor -- the Chiefs running back was our pick in 2007 -- but at least L.J. led his team in rushing. As opposed to the over-hyped McFadden, who was billed as the next Adrian Peterson but wound up a distant second on the Raiders rushing charts behind Justin Fargas, and just ahead of the late-charging Michael Bush.

McFadden started just five games, played in 13, and didn't even crack the 500-yard barrier. He finished with 499 on 113 carries (a decent 4.4 average), with four touchdowns. He'll do better than that in the future, but for now we thought we'd motivate him for 2009 with our starting running back assignment.

• Dishonorable mention: Larry Johnson, Chiefs -- Those monster seasons of 2005-06 seem longer ago all the time.

Alphaman
01-08-2009, 08:38 AM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:

That's not even close to being true. Go back and compare Dorsey's overall stats to Haynesworth and Tommie Harris in their rookie seasons. Heck go compare them to Warren Sapp in his rookie season. Dorsey's stats are in the same range.

Demonpenz
01-08-2009, 08:41 AM
Scouts need to stop slobbering over workout warriers. If they are in great shape....awesome, but if they already balooned their frame to the max, there is no where to gain muscle or power, only torn ligaments. I guess ...good though. F any team but the chiefs. Dorsey will get better once he learns to use his hands, get stronger, and have him do the things he is good at. Right now if you watch his first step it is ususally straight left, straight right, trying to gap control. Milkman says he puts his head down right at the start of the play too... Spend the entire offseason practicing firing off the ball and UPfield. Let another fat ass take care of the gaps. I guess..... tyler was doing a better job getting upfield and that is why they had dorsey take care of the blockers. I thought we were playing for next year and trying to peak out and get better though and with dorsey you have the most potential. Just another frustrating point of emphasis that herm and his so called staff messed up on. Atleast dorsey saw the field and got snaps in.... slightly below average first year is better than complete disaster or injury.

PastorMikH
01-08-2009, 08:53 AM
Before throwing the towel in on Dorsey or any other player we have for that matter, I'd like to see what they can do with competent coaching.

Chief Roundup
01-08-2009, 10:50 AM
Uh well we need to keep in mind that it is just like Brian Waters said. That Dorsey should not of been playing straight on a guard. He should be lining up in the gap because of his size and style.
So basicly with better defensive coaching Dorsey will get used properly and have a much better year.
Basicly the same thing that happened to Joey Porter down in Miami they misused him the first year and this year they used him correctly and look at the difference in the 2 years.

SNR
01-08-2009, 10:52 AM
Eddie Freeman as a rookie had better stats than Mario Williams as a rookie.

Give it a year.

Rain Man
01-08-2009, 10:54 AM
Yeah, but Dorsey can hand-fight all day.


I agree, though. It'd be great to have seen him dominate, but rookie years can be misleading. I'll give him another year or two.

boogblaster
01-08-2009, 10:55 AM
He played against ole-war-horses as a rookie ... He'll learn ... Most Olines are vets that know all the tricks and schemes ...

Brock
01-08-2009, 10:55 AM
I am sticking with him for a year, next season or he needs to get out.

Actually, you'll be stuck with him for several years no matter how he plays.

StcChief
01-08-2009, 10:55 AM
We should see real improvement next year DT rookies aren't always successful moving from being Monster in college.

Demonpenz
01-08-2009, 11:19 AM
The Olineman that have been around know their bodies well. Their strengths and weaknesses to a T. Leverage, hands, holding, cheating, etc.

Fat Elvis
01-08-2009, 12:10 PM
We should see real improvement next year DT rookies aren't always successful moving from being Monster in college.

Give him two years at least. Last year was a mulligan considering the morons coaching the D (well, team). I mean these guys are just flat out stupid. Carl gets shitcanned, Herm tells them, "Hint, hint...it is ok to look for other jobs," and yet, every single one of them-to a man- are still hanging out after one of, if not THE worst D the Chiefs have fielded in thier history.

Someone needs to rip the sleeves off of Gunther's sweatshirt with his arms still in it and start clobbering people over the head.

EyePod
01-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:

What are you fucking talking about?

Ryan Sims:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#665c50"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2002</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>6</td> <td>6</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
Glenn Dorsey:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#c60024"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2008</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>46</td> <td>32</td> <td>14</td> <td>1</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>

Yeah... those stats are really similar you fucktard.

EyePod
01-08-2009, 12:20 PM
We should see real improvement next year DT rookies aren't always successful moving from being Monster in college.

They aren't ever. Even Warren Sapp wasn't!

EyePod
01-08-2009, 12:22 PM
Let's compare Warren Sapp's rookie year and Glenn's

Warren Sapp:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#000000"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">1995</td><td align="left">TAM</td><td>16</td> <td>26</td> <td>16</td> <td>10</td> <td>5</td> <td>3.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>1</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td></tr></tbody></table>

Glenn Dorsey:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#c60024"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2008</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>46</td> <td>32</td> <td>14</td> <td>1</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>

It's a lot harder to get passes defended and sacks when teams only fucking run the ball against you!!! I think Dorsey had a great year!

Ari Chi3fs
01-08-2009, 12:44 PM
Dorsey is only 6'0 and about 300 lbs... I personally don't think he is gonna amount to much.

Ecto-I
01-08-2009, 12:58 PM
I think Dorsey had a great year!

Let's not get carried away.

I definitely think Dorsey needs a couple of years to grow (as seems to be the case for most good D-Tackles), but tackle stats for DT's aren't all that useful. DT's are all about push and disruption.

Time will tell for Dorsey, but calling this last season "great" is a major stretch.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Troy Polamalu made last year's list.

DaneMcCloud
01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:

Wow, how about having your facts straight before spouting meaningless bullshit?

El Jefe
01-08-2009, 02:04 PM
Wow - Ryan Sims had better stats than Dorsey his first year. :doh!:


Oh here we go again, I just called you on your ignorance the other day, and lo and behold, your spewing your trash again. How bout lets not make things up, or talk about things you don't know, does that sound good?

EyePod
01-08-2009, 03:25 PM
Dorsey is only 6'0 and about 300 lbs... I personally don't think he is gonna amount to much.


Height:
6'2"
Weight:
316That's from the NFL combine results. Personally, I think you're a dipshit.

RustShack
01-08-2009, 03:30 PM
Dorsey is only 6'0 and about 300 lbs... I personally don't think he is gonna amount to much.

Hes bigger than that, but a lot of teams like small fast DT's. Especially when they are UT's.

Ari Chi3fs
01-08-2009, 04:43 PM
Whitlock reamed him a couple weeks ago for being 6 ft... and fat over 300.

Not that he is the be all- end all. But Eyepod can eat a barrel full of dicks.