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Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 01:00 PM
i don't want Clark to rush things and screw up .... this GM pick is very important.

but............

teams are starting to sign coaches and we still have to get a Head Coach and the uber important offensive and defensive coordinators coaches.

i don't think anyone in KC wants us to settle at the coordinator positions .... it's just too important.

if we sign Pioli and then keep gunther as defensive coordinator then we might as well shoot our faces off because the team isn't gonna be worth watching anytime soon.

we need superior coaching and i don't want the GM search to take so long that it limits our choices.

Brock
01-08-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd be pissed if the chiefs had hired Mangini.

Goapics1
01-08-2009, 01:04 PM
we still have to get a Head Coach

Herm is the HEAD coach. What you talkin' about?

Micjones
01-08-2009, 01:04 PM
Some of the best candidates are still coaching this season.
Patience...

raybec 4
01-08-2009, 01:04 PM
i don't want Clark to rush things and screw up .... this GM pick is very important.

but............

teams are starting to sign coaches and we still have to get a Head Coach and the uber important offensive and defensive coordinators coaches.

i don't think anyone in KC wants us to settle at the coordinator positions .... it's just too important.

if we sign Pioli and then keep gunther as defensive coordinator then we might as well shoot our faces off because the team isn't gonna be worth watching anytime soon.

we need superior coaching and i don't want the GM search to take so long that it limits our choices.

As long as we sign a GM before the playoffs end it will be ok. They can choose a coach from the available pool of playoff coaches then. I would rather have a coordinator from a playoff team.

Fritz88
01-08-2009, 01:06 PM
If we hire P, he will get his crew and from what I hear and read, he's got good eyes for talents and got good connections.

lazepoo
01-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Wouldn't they want to look at the remaining playoff teams for some of their picks for head and assistant coaches? I don't think it's as urgent as you do, although if Clark wants Pioli, it would make sense to get things wrapped up sooner rather than later.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:08 PM
Some of the best candidates are still coaching this season.
Patience...

Patience is rare around here.

Out of all the GM and HC openings, only 1 has been filled: Mangini.

Thomas Dimitroff was hired in Atlanta on the 13th of January.

John Harbaugh was hired by the Ravens on the 19th of January.

Mike Smith was hired in Atlanta on the 24th of January.


When you rush into a decision like this, you end up with a schmuck like Mangini.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 01:09 PM
I honestly don't care how long it takes. Take the time to get the right guy. If that means 1 more year of Herm so that GM can get the HC he wants, then so be it. The last thing on my mind is rushing this process.

DeezNutz
01-08-2009, 01:20 PM
We'll be fine.

Pioli *might* end up being the best choice, but I wouldn't necessarily bet against a very qualified candidate coming from Pitts. or Balt.

DaKCMan AP
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Schwartz and Spagnuolo are still coaching.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
I honestly don't care how long it takes. Take the time to get the right guy. If that means 1 more year of Herm so that GM can get the HC he wants, then so be it. The last thing on my mind is rushing this process.

I'm patient, but I'm not sure I'm THAT patient.

Especially when there are solid candidates out there other than Pioli.

Pioli may not even be the best candidate, just the best known.

smittysbar
01-08-2009, 01:24 PM
I honestly don't care how long it takes. Take the time to get the right guy. If that means 1 more year of Herm so that GM can get the HC he wants, then so be it. The last thing on my mind is rushing this process.

Please no Herm :deevee:

blueballs
01-08-2009, 01:25 PM
I blame porn

Sure-Oz
01-08-2009, 01:27 PM
Patience is rare around here.

Out of all the GM and HC openings, only 1 has been filled: Mangini.

Thomas Dimitroff was hired in Atlanta on the 13th of January.

John Harbaugh was hired by the Ravens on the 19th of January.

Mike Smith was hired in Atlanta on the 24th of January.


When you rush into a decision like this, you end up with a schmuck like Mangini.

This

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 01:29 PM
i'm sowwy ... just getting nervous



:spank:

Deberg_1990
01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
i'm sowwy ... just getting nervous



:spank:

Yea, Its too bad we missed out on the genious Mangini.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:33 PM
Yea, Its too bad we missed out on the genious Mangini.

LMAO

SenselessChiefsFan
01-08-2009, 01:33 PM
i don't want Clark to rush things and screw up .... this GM pick is very important.

but............

teams are starting to sign coaches and we still have to get a Head Coach and the uber important offensive and defensive coordinators coaches.

i don't think anyone in KC wants us to settle at the coordinator positions .... it's just too important.

if we sign Pioli and then keep gunther as defensive coordinator then we might as well shoot our faces off because the team isn't gonna be worth watching anytime soon.

we need superior coaching and i don't want the GM search to take so long that it limits our choices.

If we drag it out long enough, we can keep Herm in place. All part of the plan. Herm gets to keep his job for another year and Clark Hunt saves face by saying the GM search took so long because he wanted to get 'just the right fit'... and at that point, it is better to carry Herm into the next season and examine the situation again after next year....

By the way, this is what I am scared will happen...NOT what I want to happen.

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 01:37 PM
Yea, Its too bad we missed out on the genious Mangini.

I do find it interesting that Lerner (who previously landed the hot GM in Savage and hot coach in Crennel) fell in love with Mangini even though he interviewd Pioli and guys like Spagnoula.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 01:42 PM
Yea, Its too bad we missed out on the genious Mangini.
bastard

Deberg_1990
01-08-2009, 01:46 PM
I do find it interesting that Lerner (who previously landed the hot GM in Savage and hot coach in Crennel) fell in love with Mangini even though he interviewd Pioli and guys like Spagnoula.

Yea....weird??

1. Mangini must be great in interviews. Peter King says he stressed his background working with Parcells.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/01/07/mangini.browns/index.html



2. Im still not 100% convinced that Pioli is ready to leave the cozy womb of New England....

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:47 PM
2. Im still not 100% convinced that Pioli is ready to leave the cozy womb of New England....

I'm not either.

I think he's playing for a raise in NE.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 01:49 PM
if pioli doesn't leave new england soon his PR value will start dropping.

unless Belechek leaves at some point and the Patriots continue their level of success.


at some point, Pioli becomes a "cry wolf" situation and people will just stop asking.

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 01:49 PM
Yea....weird??

1. Mangini must be great in interviews. Peter King says he stressed his background working with Parcells.

[....

Romeo had a similar background with Parcells and Belichick.

Frosty
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
2. Im still not 100% convinced that Pioli is ready to leave the cozy womb of New England....

If Pioli is the type that would rather play it safe and stay in NE rather than take the risk to strike out and start his own legacy, I really don't want him anyway.

Chieftain58
01-08-2009, 02:14 PM
i don't want Clark to rush things and screw up .... this GM pick is very important.

but............

teams are starting to sign coaches and we still have to get a Head Coach and the uber important offensive and defensive coordinators coaches.

i don't think anyone in KC wants us to settle at the coordinator positions .... it's just too important.

if we sign Pioli and then keep gunther as defensive coordinator then we might as well shoot our faces off because the team isn't gonna be worth watching anytime soon.

we need superior coaching and i don't want the GM search to take so long that it limits our choices.


I agree we need to get the ball rolling(then all the planeteers can bitch about the pick! lol), As for Gunther Cunninghams style of defense; its not working. Whatever he is doing for some reason hasn't been successful. He needs to take his money and move to Florida and retire. You watch him yelling at the players and threatening them with being cut and cussing all the time and all the time the player knows he's got his signing bonus and guaranteed contract etc.. makes me sick.. Now if that Tim Krumrie was screaming at me that might make me move a little faster. haha. Now,

If we fire Herm Edwards then we will be in rebuilding mode yet again and the stadium will be empty for another year while the new coach brings in his own talent, coaches etc.. Gonzalez will ask to be traded and LJ is already a gonner, which would be a plus.. he's not about the team, he's about Larry.

QB will be a rookie starting making rookie errors and we will have to sit back and grimace for another fruitless year but it will help in the long run but not in the short term so, thats what the Owner and management will have to decide.. "Can we afford another rebuilding year."

ChiefsCountry
01-08-2009, 02:17 PM
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chiefzilla1501
01-08-2009, 02:27 PM
A good head coach is nothing if you have a shitty general manager calling the shots.

And a top-flight GM will have zero problem hiring a good head coach.

The GM decision is 100 times more important than the head coach decision. If we get a shitty head coach, we're stuck with him for 3 or 4 years. If we get a shitty GM, we're stuck with him for 20.

keg in kc
01-08-2009, 02:28 PM
I like the deliberate way this is being handled. If the reports of CH calling around to other owners to solicit advice is true, it sounds like a guy who really wants to get this hire right - and really cares about this team going in the right direction - doing his due diligence.

As for coaches, we'll see how it plays out. A lot of really good ones are still working at the moment.

lazepoo
01-08-2009, 02:30 PM
I do find it interesting that Lerner (who previously landed the hot GM in Savage and hot coach in Crennel) fell in love with Mangini even though he interviewd Pioli and guys like Spagnoula.

Lerner strikes me as the typical CEO/sociopath that is too impressed with his own self-importance to consider anyone's opinion but his own. He probably read some clippings about how great Mangini was and then tried to spin it like he'd had his eye on Mangini all along. Also, getting the hot guys also keeps him in the press and feeds his ego. I don't understand how he gives Crennel and Savage extensions a year ago and then decides they're going in completely the wrong direction a year later... regardless of their record, he should have known by looking at the roster and examining the progress over the season whether or not they were making the kind of team he wanted. Knee-jerk reactions to this are the sort of megalomania that keep certain clubs in the perennial cellar.

reiko57
01-08-2009, 02:31 PM
A good head coach is nothing if you have a shitty general manager calling the shots.

And a top-flight GM will have zero problem hiring a good head coach.

The GM decision is 100 times more important than the head coach decision. If we get a shitty head coach, we're stuck with him for 3 or 4 years. If we get a shitty GM, we're stuck with him for 20.

no, 6 or 7 maybe.. not 20

things are gonna change at arrowhead, you guys worry too much just relax..

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 02:36 PM
A good head coach is nothing if you have a shitty general manager calling the shots.

And a top-flight GM will have zero problem hiring a good head coach.

The GM decision is 100 times more important than the head coach decision. If we get a shitty head coach, we're stuck with him for 3 or 4 years. If we get a shitty GM, we're stuck with him for 20.

I don't agree with much of what you said. First off, the fact that KC might be stuck with a bad GM for 20 years is a reflection on the owner. Bad owners keep bad GMs.

It's most important for the GM and coach to be on the same page. Get good players that fit the coach and his system. Al Davis could be considered a good GM/Owner. He's hired some young bright talent that won Super Bowls. Unfortunately they didn't mesh with him and won those titles elsewhere.

beach tribe
01-08-2009, 02:36 PM
If we fire Herm Edwards then we will be in rebuilding mode yet again and the stadium will be empty for another year while the new coach brings in his own talent, coaches etc.. Gonzalez will ask to be traded and LJ is already a gonner, which would be a plus.. he's not about the team, he's about Larry.


BS. If we keep Herm, and his sorry ass coaching philosophy the stadium will be empty. A new hire will invigorate the fan base, and actually give them some hope. And a new coach can get us more wins a hell of a lot faster than Herm can.

HemiEd
01-08-2009, 02:37 PM
i don't want Clark to rush things and screw up .... this GM pick is very important.

but............

teams are starting to sign coaches and we still have to get a Head Coach and the uber important offensive and defensive coordinators coaches.

i don't think anyone in KC wants us to settle at the coordinator positions .... it's just too important.

if we sign Pioli and then keep gunther as defensive coordinator then we might as well shoot our faces off because the team isn't gonna be worth watching anytime soon.

we need superior coaching and i don't want the GM search to take so long that it limits our choices.


I am surprised some other team hasn't snapped Gunther away from the Chiefs, since the assistants are free to sign with other teams.

RedThat
01-08-2009, 02:47 PM
This is a really important hire so no need to rush.

And the best part of this is, imo, there are several "good" GM candidates available and the Chiefs have very little competition to work with.

Deberg_1990
01-08-2009, 03:04 PM
I am surprised some other team hasn't snapped Gunther away from the Chiefs, since the assistants are free to sign with other teams.


ROFL

Agent V
01-08-2009, 03:40 PM
This is a really important hire so no need to rush.

And the best part of this is, imo, there are several "good" GM candidates available and the Chiefs have very little competition to work with.

Not a lot of teams strive for the 31st ranked defense, I guess. Crazy.

EyePod
01-08-2009, 03:50 PM
I'd be pissed if the chiefs had hired Mangini.

He's better than Herm... but so is my cat...

chiefsngop
01-10-2009, 12:36 PM
I am surprised some other team hasn't snapped Gunther away from the Chiefs, since the assistants are free to sign with other teams.

I'm surprised some other country hasn't snapped Donald Rumsfeld away from us to run their military.......

whoman69
01-10-2009, 01:53 PM
I am surprised some other team hasn't snapped Gunther away from the Chiefs, since the assistants are free to sign with other teams.

Assistants are free only to go to another team if they are not under contract or they are getting a promotion. Coordinator is not considered a promotion unless they are being promoted to Asst. Head Coach. I have seen franchises block the move of an assistant to be a coordinator for another team.