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RustShack
01-08-2009, 01:53 PM
1. Andre Smith* OT Alabama 98
2. Aaron Curry OLB Wake For. 98
3. Michael Crabtree** WR Texas Tech 98
4. Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 97
5. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 97
6. Taylor Mays* S USC 91
7. Aaron Maybin** DE/OLB Penn State 96
8. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
9. Sam Bradford** QB Oklahoma 96
10. Brian Orakpo DE Texas 95
11. Jason Smith OT Baylor 95
12. Mark Sanchez* QB USC 95
13. Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia 94
14. Jeremy Maclin** WR Missouri 94
15. Knowshon Moreno** RB Georgia 94
16. Jermaine Gresham* TE Oklahoma 94
17. B.J. Raji* DT Boston Coll. 93
18. Vontae Davis* CB Illinois 93
19. Brandon Pettigrew TE Okla. State 93
20. Rey Maualuga ILB USC 93
21. Everette Brown* DE Florida State 93
22. Russell Okung* OT Okla. State 92
23. Brandon Spikes* ILB Florida 92
24. Tyson Jackson DE LSU 92
25. James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State 91
26. Brian Cushing OLB USC 91
27. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 91
28. Chris Wells* RB Ohio State 91
29. Percy Harvin* WR Florida 91
30. Greg Hardy* DE Mississippi 91
31. Terrence Cody* DT Alabama 91
32. Jerry Hughes** DE TCU 90

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:54 PM
Stafford the 3rd QB...

Mecca
01-08-2009, 01:54 PM
They really should re-order that to reflect positional value and all of that...

And I still don't see how Crabtree is that good.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 01:56 PM
They really should re-order that to reflect positional value and all of that...

And I still don't see how Crabtree is that good.

That's the whole point. This list has nothing to do with positional value, just who they think are the 32 best, most talented players, in order.

RustShack
01-08-2009, 01:56 PM
They really should re-order that to reflect positional value and all of that...

And I still don't see how Crabtree is that good.

Do you mean Rashaun Woods?

MIAdragon
01-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Stafford the 3rd QB...

LMAO by an entire 1 point

kc rush
01-08-2009, 01:56 PM
They really should re-order that to reflect positional value and all of that...



I thought the same thing. Clearly a QB has more value to a team than a WR.

Frankie
01-08-2009, 01:57 PM
Stafford the 3rd QB...

That's about right.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 01:57 PM
That's the whole point. This list has nothing to do with positional value, just who they think are the 32 best, most talented players, in order.

Great then Crabtree shouldn't be that high, I've never seen any team value a position WR that highly...it's not like he's Calvin Johnson he's not remotely that.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 01:58 PM
That's about right.

Yea ok...

RUSH
01-08-2009, 01:58 PM
I need to know what all these media guys see in Bradford. Oher at 27? Wtf

RustShack
01-08-2009, 01:58 PM
I need to know what all these media guys see in Bradford. Oher at 27? Wtf

Stats.

Rain Man
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
By the time the draft comes, we'll be debating whether Stafford will be available in the second round, or if we should wait until the third.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
wow ...... that's disturbing

9. Sam Bradford** QB Oklahoma 96
12. Mark Sanchez* QB USC 95
13. Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia 94

58-4ever
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
Do you mean Rashaun Woods?

We'll see how he runs at the combine. I don't think he's as slow as Woods. I also don't think he's as explosive as Maclin or Dez Bryant.

Brock
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
That's about right.

"Ryan=Blackledge"

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:00 PM
It has to be Bradfords 2 straight years of big stats......Sam Bradford is what would have happened if Chase Daniel was taller and on a big program team...

Also how is a 230lb DE in the top 10?

58-4ever
01-08-2009, 02:00 PM
Stats.

Not to mention brains, a quick release, and a knack for finding the right guy. I know I'll never convince those that have the everlasting Stafford boner though.

58-4ever
01-08-2009, 02:01 PM
I just don't want Tamba Hali the second.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:01 PM
By the time the draft comes, we'll be debating whether Stafford will be available in the second round, or if we should wait until the third.

He's just being picked apart for every little thing right now but he's still going to blow people away in his workout he has that ace in his pocket.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:01 PM
Not to mention brains, a quick release, and a knack for finding the right guy. I know I'll never convince those that have the everlasting Stafford boner though.

It's not that hard to find the right guy when they're all open.

58-4ever
01-08-2009, 02:03 PM
It's not that hard to find the right guy when they're all open.

Not to mention he has three minutes to throw the ball! :rolleyes:

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 02:03 PM
That's the whole point. This list has nothing to do with positional value, just who they think are the 32 best, most talented players, in order.

Exactly. How can they universally account for positional value when each team has a differing positional value and need?

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:03 PM
I just think it's funny that people are getting their shit all bent out of shape over rankings posted on January 8th.

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 02:04 PM
I just think it's funny that people are getting their shit all bent out of shape over rankings posted on January 8th.

I like these rankings. It's based on actual play and not workouts and hype/BS that will follow beginning Senior Bowl week.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:05 PM
Not to mention he has three minutes to throw the ball! :rolleyes:

You're never going to convince me that the guy with super talent around him and in the college gimmicky offense is the best pick of 3 QB's when the other guys play in pro style offenses with lesser talent for the most part.

So what does Bradford have when you factor that in? He's not as physically gifted as the other 2 I think even the biggest Bradford fan would accept that.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 02:05 PM
I just think it's funny that people are getting their shit all bent out of shape over rankings posted on January 8th.I like how people are suggesting they should change the criteria for the list to fit personal opinions on what a list should look like.

Mr. Laz
01-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Not to mention brains, a quick release, and a knack for finding the right guy. I know I'll never convince those that have the everlasting Stafford boner though.does that mean you have an "everlasting Bradford boner"?

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:06 PM
I like these rankings. It's based on actual play and not workouts and hype/BS that will follow beginning Senior Bowl week.

I have no problem with them, but then again, I don't give a shit either.

Ultimately, it's nothing more than opinion, and has no bearing on what happens on that last Saturday in April.

RustShack
01-08-2009, 02:07 PM
Not to mention brains, a quick release, and a knack for finding the right guy. I know I'll never convince those that have the everlasting Stafford boner though.

Yeah we have the same problem convincing you there is a difference between college QB's and NFL QB's.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:07 PM
I like how people are suggesting they should change the criteria for the list to fit personal opinions on what a list should look like.

This.

Is.

ChiefsPlanet.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:07 PM
does that mean you have an "everlasting Bradford boner"?

LMAO

RustShack
01-08-2009, 02:08 PM
This.

Is.

ChiefsPlanet.

.com

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:09 PM
I like how people are suggesting they should change the criteria for the list to fit personal opinions on what a list should look like.

I think taking a traditional 4-3 OLB with the 2nd pick would be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen..so hey they can rate him there but if anyone takes him that high I'll shake my head.

And why is Taylor Mays ahead of guys he has a lower score than, does that make any sense?

oldandslow
01-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Hell, Lou Holtz stated on Colin Cowherd'sn ESPN radio show that Detroit should pick Tebow with their #1. Said he has the leadership factor.

Unfortunately, although General Patten may have been a great leader, doesn't mean he has the skills to be a NFL QB.

The world is filled with opinions, and most of them, sans mine, are completely wrong.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 02:13 PM
Ultimately, it's nothing more than opinion, and has no bearing on what happens on that last Saturday in April. Some people seem to desperately need their opinions to be supported by these type of speculations.

I find it funny. Especially since I think most of those same people form their opinions based on this crap. The problem is they hitch their wagon to a horse too early, then are stuck with it when things play out differently.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:14 PM
Some people seem to desperately need their opinions to be supported by these type of speculations.

I find it funny. Especially since I think most of those same people form their opinions based on this crap. The problem is they hitch their wagon to a horse too early, then are stuck with it when things play out differently.

Kind of like that certain someone who said last year that he'd turn in his fan card if we passed on Brohm?

Yet talks about Matt Ryan like he was pimping him the entire time?

jspchief
01-08-2009, 02:14 PM
I think taking a traditional 4-3 OLB with the 2nd pick would be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen..so hey they can rate him there but if anyone takes him that high I'll shake my head. case in point.

Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't think that list is intended to be a projected draft order. But don't let that keep you from arguing a point that isn't relevant.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:17 PM
Kind of like that certain someone who said last year that he'd turn in his fan card if we passed on Brohm?

Yet talks about Matt Ryan like he was pimping him the entire time?

:rolleyes:

Lets rip on Mecca, it's fun!

And really you need a new line, quoting something I said in September/October of that season really isn't that relevant things change.

lazepoo
01-08-2009, 02:18 PM
What are the chances that one of the top 3 QBs is still around out of the top 10? I could see us trading down for more picks (and a smaller cap hit) if we can still get the man we want a few picks later.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:19 PM
And now we're back to this trade down shit...and people act like I say stupid shit.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:21 PM
:rolleyes:

Lets rip on Mecca, it's fun!

And really you need a new line, quoting something I said in September/October of that season really isn't that relevant things change.

That's exactly JSP's point.

Your opinion changes with the "scouts" opinions.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:23 PM
That's exactly JSP's point.

Your opinion changes with the "scouts" opinions.

Things will always change...guys rise and slide it happens every year, no one is going to be retarded enough to not factor in it, even guys who get paid to do this do it.

I guess that means they're all tards too.

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 02:24 PM
And now we're back to this trade down shit...and people act like I say stupid shit.

Because the Chiefs have so few holes to fill.

Hoover
01-08-2009, 02:25 PM
If Carl was still here he would draft Billie Mays because he would help sell out Arrowhead. Maybe he goes to Miami now...

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:27 PM
Because the Chiefs have so few holes to fill.

Would you say 90% of teams with top 5 picks have alot of holes to fill?

Show me how many of them have traded down in the last 10 years.

OnTheWarpath58
01-08-2009, 02:27 PM
Things will always change...guys rise and slide it happens every year, no one is going to be retarded enough to not factor in it, even guys who get paid to do this do it.

I guess that means they're all tards too.

It amazes me how often the point goes completely over your head, considering all that hair.

You either have confidence in your opinions of these guys, or you don't.

What the talking heads say about their "draft stock" has nothing to do with it.

Chiefnj2
01-08-2009, 02:30 PM
Would you say 90% of teams with top 5 picks have alot of holes to fill?

Show me how many of them have traded down in the last 10 years.

I think teams would like to trade down a lot but can't get teams to make the trade. It costs too much in picks and money.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 02:31 PM
Also once again, somehow explain to me why Mays has a lower point score than guys he's ahead of.

Brock
01-08-2009, 02:33 PM
Also once again, somehow explain to me why Mays has a lower point score than guys he's ahead of.

Maybe it's a misprint.

RustShack
01-08-2009, 02:41 PM
I think teams would like to trade down a lot but can't get teams to make the trade. It costs too much in picks and money.

Uhh thats the whole point... trading out to the top just doesn't happen anymore.

jspchief
01-08-2009, 02:42 PM
Also once again, somehow explain to me why Mays has a lower point score than guys he's ahead of.Not sure. Maybe because he's the only safety on their list? Not positional value per se, but value due to the lack of players at that position in this draft class?

It certainly doesn't jive with the rest of the list.

chief52
01-08-2009, 02:42 PM
I like how people are suggesting they should change the criteria for the list to fit personal opinions on what a list should look like.

Very true. You can find a list somewhere to back your opinion/bias. Post draft of course, there will be the instant evaluation of the draft based on??? Guys like Mel Kiper shake their heads and laugh all the way to the bank.

It truly amazes me how much time energy and value some people put into this.

To each his own...

melbar
01-08-2009, 02:49 PM
I wouldnt kick Smith or Curry out of the locker room...

mikeyis4dcats.
01-08-2009, 04:10 PM
I thought the same thing. Clearly a QB has more value to a team than a WR.

unless you already have a good QB

:)

ChiefsCountry
01-08-2009, 04:13 PM
Man I cant wait till DraftPlanet gets opened up again. It cleans out alot of the dipshits.

kepp
01-08-2009, 04:17 PM
If Carl was still here he would draft Billie Mays because he would help sell out Arrowhead. Maybe he goes to Miami now...

"Billy Mays here with a REVOLUTIONARY offer for REAL Chiefs fans!!"

mylittlepony
01-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Also once again, somehow explain to me why Mays has a lower point score than guys he's ahead of.

His stats is the reason:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2006/player/657/1003367/index.html

I think the kid has the potential to be great but hasnt played/had a chance to play at that level yet (due to the outstanding SC Defensive talent they can give him a non playmaking role). The kid is cocky as hell but is a team player something that will get more recognized once people start looking at gamefilm.

Big question is if he can be a difference maker at the next level.

ChiefsCountry
01-08-2009, 04:46 PM
Tebow - PTI asked Switzer and Jimmy about him as a pro. Barry said yes and Jimmy had the look of hell no.

Mecca
01-08-2009, 05:11 PM
His stats is the reason:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2006/player/657/1003367/index.html

I think the kid has the potential to be great but hasnt played/had a chance to play at that level yet (due to the outstanding SC Defensive talent they can give him a non playmaking role). The kid is cocky as hell but is a team player something that will get more recognized once people start looking at gamefilm.

Big question is if he can be a difference maker at the next level.

Doesn't that sound like something I've been saying about Mays for awhile?

bowener
01-08-2009, 06:23 PM
1. Andre Smith* OT Alabama 98
2. Aaron Curry OLB Wake For. 98
3. Michael Crabtree** WR Texas Tech 98
4. Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 97
5. Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State 97
6. Taylor Mays* S USC 91
7. Aaron Maybin** DE/OLB Penn State 96
8. Gerald McCoy* DT Oklahoma 96
9. Sam Bradford** QB Oklahoma 96
10. Brian Orakpo DE Texas 95
11. Jason Smith OT Baylor 95
12. Mark Sanchez* QB USC 95
13. Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia 94
14. Jeremy Maclin** WR Missouri 94
15. Knowshon Moreno** RB Georgia 94
16. Jermaine Gresham* TE Oklahoma 94
17. B.J. Raji* DT Boston Coll. 93
18. Vontae Davis* CB Illinois 93
19. Brandon Pettigrew TE Okla. State 93
20. Rey Maualuga ILB USC 93
21. Everette Brown* DE Florida State 93
22. Russell Okung* OT Okla. State 92
23. Brandon Spikes* ILB Florida 92
24. Tyson Jackson DE LSU 92
25. James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State 91
26. Brian Cushing OLB USC 91
27. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 91
28. Chris Wells* RB Ohio State 91
29. Percy Harvin* WR Florida 91
30. Greg Hardy* DE Mississippi 91
31. Terrence Cody* DT Alabama 91
32. Jerry Hughes** DE TCU 90

PBJ

I hope he ends up being a top 3 talent so we can justify picking him.

HemiEd
01-08-2009, 06:36 PM
The Chicago Tribune had the Chiefs taking Everette Brown, DE Florida State, at 3.

BigRedChief
01-09-2009, 07:48 AM
Uhh thats the whole point... trading out to the top just doesn't happen anymore.
Trade down? There have been one spot up and down trades but whens the last time a top #3 pick or higher was traded down? Ricky Williams?

suds79
01-09-2009, 08:05 AM
20. Rey Maualuga ILB USC 93
21. Everette Brown* DE Florida State 93
23. Brandon Spikes* ILB Florida 92
25. James Laurinaitis ILB Ohio State 91
27. Michael Oher OT Mississippi 91
31. Terrence Cody* DT Alabama 91

I'd be happy with any of these guys if they somehow slip to the 2nd.

LB & DE, obviously a need. Don't feel like I need to justify this.

Cody - Another DT which makes me sick but I believe our run D is soft because our D-line doesn't have enough size on it... Problem fixed with Cody.

Where was Duke Robinson? I'd about blow my top if we had a chance on him and passed in the 2nd. An incredible Guard prospect. (despite a bad game yesterday with penalties)

alanm
01-09-2009, 08:30 AM
He's just being picked apart for every little thing right now but he's still going to blow people away in his workout he has that ace in his pocket.
For the millionth time I'll go on record as saying I don't give a shit what kind of workout warrior a guy is. There's probably a couple of hundred guys who wowed them at the combine and had the scouts drooling that aren't even in the league anymore. I don't even care if he has a bazooka for an arm either. I care about his football smarts and his decision making ability and his leadership qualities.
The bottom line for me is.. Can he play football?

windwalker
01-09-2009, 08:35 AM
I don't know why we spend so much time talking about the draft... right now the Chiefs need to nail down the GM. Then, depending on who it is and what his philosophy is, we can start speculating on the draft.

StcChief
01-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Exactly. How can they universally account for positional value when each team has a differing positional value and need?this is why it's BS.

Frankie
01-09-2009, 04:17 PM
By the time the draft comes, we'll be debating whether Stafford will be available in the second round, or if we should wait until the third.

That's my feeling too.

Frankie
01-09-2009, 04:18 PM
"Ryan=Blackledge"

Quoting folks out of context much?

Frankie
01-09-2009, 04:19 PM
He's just being picked apart for every little thing right now but he's still going to blow people away in his workout he has that ace in his pocket.

I thought you didn't believe in work out phenoms!

Brock
01-09-2009, 04:23 PM
Quoting folks out of context much?

Out of context? You called Ryan "another Todd Blackledge". That's a direct quote.

Frankie
01-09-2009, 05:43 PM
Out of context? You called Ryan "another Todd Blackledge". That's a direct quote.

I highly doubt that. I bet you are partial-quoting from a sentence like:

"With Ryan being a one year wonder, he might be another Todd Blackledge,"

I have that stand on all one-year wonders. To me Ryan had not proven much and with all info out on him I thought he was a risk as a top 5 pick. That's the same feeling I have about all three of the top QBs in the upcoming draft. Atlanta gambled and got lucky.

OnTheWarpath58
01-09-2009, 05:49 PM
TODAY:

Out of context? You called Ryan "another Todd Blackledge". That's a direct quote.

I highly doubt that. I bet you are partial-quoting from a sentence like:

"With Ryan being a one year wonder, he might be another Todd Blackledge,"

I have that stand on all one-year wonders. To me Ryan had not proven much and with all info out on him I thought he was a risk as a top 5 pick. That's the same feeling I have about all three of the top QBs in the upcoming draft. Atlanta gambled and got lucky.



12/26/2007:


Here is a new Matt Ryan scouting report from nfldraftcountdown. Not the type of report that makes me want to take this guy in the first round....

............

Really emerged as a top pro prospect as a senior, propelling his team to a great season even though he was surrounded by ordinary talent...Physical tools aren't special but they're adequate across the board .....

OH NO!!... Another Todd Blackledge.

We drafted TB in the top ten based only on his Senior year "emergance."... Yikes!!


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4482354&postcount=169

Frankie
01-09-2009, 05:57 PM
TODAY:







12/26/2007:







http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4482354&postcount=169

Meh, that was a loud expression. You exaggerate to make a point. Fact is I never had Ryan out of the top 20 in my evaluation. We picked Blackledge 5th or 6th if I remember right. My expression was to underline that. It was meant to emphasize that picking Ryan at 5 would be a risk like the Blackledge pick. But since my wording can actually be read that way I offer my apologies to Brock. My denial was based on what I know my evaluation of Ryan was then. And I know I still considered him a 1st round draft pick.

Mecca
01-09-2009, 07:30 PM
For the millionth time I'll go on record as saying I don't give a shit what kind of workout warrior a guy is. There's probably a couple of hundred guys who wowed them at the combine and had the scouts drooling that aren't even in the league anymore. I don't even care if he has a bazooka for an arm either. I care about his football smarts and his decision making ability and his leadership qualities.
The bottom line for me is.. Can he play football?

Stafford has been a productive starter that improved each year....the point is the workout is his ace card before the draft that can boost him even higher..

And yes workouts are important to an extent..ideally you want a guy with great athletic measurables that has also played well.

Arm is a huge thing without it, you are limited in the kind of offense you can run with the QB you have.

boogblaster
01-09-2009, 08:55 PM
We need one of those top OT first ...

Mecca
01-09-2009, 09:03 PM
We need one of those top OT first ...

Tell me you're joking so I don't have to make fun of you.

boogblaster
01-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Im not impressed with many of the QBs in the draft ... The kid from Texas Tech is the only NFL talent that could help a team right off the campus ..

jidar
01-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Why is this news to so many of you?
It's been said a hundred times the past season, this draft is very weak at QB. The guys we're arguing about being the best QBs are late 1st rounders at best in most other drafts. The fact of the matter is, this is the worst time to be a team with a top pick who needs a QB.

Infidel Goat
01-11-2009, 04:51 PM
Meh, that was a loud expression. You exaggerate to make a point. Fact is I never had Ryan out of the top 20 in my evaluation. We picked Blackledge 5th or 6th if I remember right.

Seventh.

The cool thing about that draft, though, is we picked Dave Lutz in the second and Albert Lewis in the third.

Evidently we just can't evaluate QBs....

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:56 PM
Why is this news to so many of you?
It's been said a hundred times the past season, this draft is very weak at QB. The guys we're arguing about being the best QBs are late 1st rounders at best in most other drafts. The fact of the matter is, this is the worst time to be a team with a top pick who needs a QB.

Oh christ, when people said that they were talking about the SENIOR CLASS.

Infidel Goat
01-11-2009, 05:05 PM
Oh christ, when people said that they were talking about the SENIOR CLASS.

Exactly.

If we draft Cullen Harper in the first round, we'll all have the right to :cuss:

jidar
01-11-2009, 05:06 PM
Oh christ, when people said that they were talking about the SENIOR CLASS.

And a handful of QBs coming out early suddenly makes it a great QB draft? Not at all.

Even with the Juniors we've got guys who appear to have the tools but don't have the stats, or we've got guys who have the stats but don't appear to have the tools. Projects or system QBs abound. It's a weak draft at QB and that's the story going around. This link is just one of many places you can see that theme presented.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 05:10 PM
And a handful of QBs coming out early suddenly makes it a great QB draft? Not at all.

Even with the Juniors we've got guys who appear to have the tools but don't have the stats, or we've got guys who have the stats but don't appear to have the tools. Projects or system QBs abound. It's a weak draft at QB and that's the story going around. This link is just one of many places you can see that theme presented.

You better stop now before you make yourself look really dumb.

mylittlepony
01-11-2009, 05:18 PM
I think the problem is with more teams switching to the spread we are going to see weaker and weaker QB classes. Is this one weak. Yeah maby if you look historically but right now with what College football looks like and looking on the horizon who might be available in a year or two no way.

OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2009, 05:19 PM
I think the problem is with more teams switching to the spread we are going to see weaker and weaker QB classes.

This.

Brock
01-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Im not impressed with many of the QBs in the draft ... The kid from Texas Tech is the only NFL talent that could help a team right off the campus ..

LOL

phillip
01-11-2009, 07:43 PM
I think they meant 97 for Mays. Its the only way the list makes sense.

Coogs
01-11-2009, 08:37 PM
Off of this list, I would love to see us get Stafford or Sanchez with our 1st pick, then somehow manage to get Percy Harvin to go with Bowe and Tony G.

RustShack
01-12-2009, 11:14 AM
And a handful of QBs coming out early suddenly makes it a great QB draft? Not at all.

Even with the Juniors we've got guys who appear to have the tools but don't have the stats, or we've got guys who have the stats but don't appear to have the tools. Projects or system QBs abound. It's a weak draft at QB and that's the story going around. This link is just one of many places you can see that theme presented.

ROFLROFLROFL
ROFLROFLROFL
ROFLROFLROFL

:doh!:

Chiefnj2
01-12-2009, 11:34 AM
I'd be surprised if Sanchez came out. I can't believe he'd receive an early first round grade. Has there ever been a QB drafted in the first two rounds who started less than 20 games in college and was successful in the NFL? (Sanchez has 16 starts IIRC).