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vailpass
01-09-2009, 08:28 AM
I'mthinking General Odierno is one popular guy with his troops right about now...


BAGHDAD - American troops in Iraq will be allowed to drink beer without fear of court-martial for this year's Super Bowl ó an exception to a strict military ban on drinking alcohol in combat zones.

In what is sure to be a major morale boost, the top U.S. commander in Iraq Gen. Raymond Odierno issued a waiver Wednesday paving the way for troops to participate in the popular American football tradition.

Super Bowl XLIII will kick off on Feb. 1 in Tampa, Florida, but it will be 2 a.m. in Baghdad when the live broadcast starts in Iraq. Troops will gather in dining halls on military bases nationwide to watch the game.

A copy of the waiver said the consumption of alcoholic beverages will be limited to Feb. 1-2 and service members can only have two, 12-ounce beers each.

Odierno also appeared to acknowledge the sensitivity of drinking alcohol in an Islamic country, particularly considering the game falls during a holy period for Iraq's majority Shiite Muslims.

The waiver orders commanders to "keep in mind all host nation laws and customs regarding alcohol consumption" and "to exercise discretion and good judgment in enforcing these guidelines and restrictions."

Rare exception
U.S. troops have been banned from drinking, possessing or selling alcoholic beverages under a general order that also bans them from possessing pornography and other activities. They can face a reduction in pay or rank or even a court-martial if they violate the rule.

The Washington Post reported that several service members said the only other time the ban was lifted was in 2005, for troops operating under the Baghdad command.

Drinking alcohol isn't illegal in Iraq but is banned under Islam, and extremists have frequently targeted liquor stores.

www.msnbc.com

jspchief
01-09-2009, 08:32 AM
I'm sorry but asking those guys to go risk their lives for their country while withholding booze and porn is f*cking criminal.

I'm tired of politically correct war. This is definately one area where freedom of the press has done more harm than good.

Demonpenz
01-09-2009, 08:32 AM
two beers, those boys deserve 12 tall boys atleast, and a swig of jack :)

Rooster
01-09-2009, 08:34 AM
That's cool. I bet they will be the two best tasting beers our troops have had in a long long time. :thumb:

Rooster
01-09-2009, 08:35 AM
I'm tired of politically correct war. This is definately one area where freedom of the press has done more harm than good.

Agreed

Duck Dog
01-09-2009, 08:37 AM
They lifted the ban once during the 1st Gulf War but I can't remember why. I was also in Grafenwoehr, Germany when a ban was lifted and a two beer max issued. I ended up spending a week in the hospital with about 100 other soldiers after the 10th mountain division and 2nd armored division started fighting in one of the beer tents.

Just one of the many reasons commanders do not allow liquor in combat zones.

runnercyclist
01-09-2009, 09:03 AM
Beer me!

My two: 1) Goose Island IPA and 2) Rogue Dead Guy Ale

SCTrojan
01-09-2009, 09:14 AM
GEN O going old school with the two-beer limit. :thumb:

As someone has already pointed out - there is sound reasoning behind the ban. Imagine the passion of the Super Bowl, add ample guns and ammunition, then mix in alcohol - not the best combination to have going.

I like the move, though.

Dylan
01-09-2009, 09:15 AM
God Bless Them! :thumb:

Mr. Laz
01-09-2009, 09:16 AM
good

Reerun_KC
01-09-2009, 09:17 AM
Just 2 beers?

WTF?

I wonder how long it will be before those pussies in DC will make them wear pink uniforms in a combat zone...

Bunch of freaking wankers...

Mr. Laz
01-09-2009, 09:19 AM
Just 2 beers?

WTF?

I wonder how long it will be before those pussies in DC will make them wear pink uniforms in a combat zone...

Bunch of freaking wankers...
while i agree 2 beers is a bit weak .... there has to be some limit.

Reerun_KC
01-09-2009, 09:21 AM
while i agree 2 beers is a bit weak .... there has to be some limit.

dudes are putting thier lives on the line daily so those secetary screwing politicians can keep that cozy lake house.....

Just find it revolting...

SCTrojan
01-09-2009, 09:24 AM
dudes are putting thier lives on the line daily so those secetary screwing politicians can keep that cozy lake house.....

Just find it revolting...

Just for clarification, it is the Central Command Commander's policy, not a Department of Defense policy.

And having been subject to it, I didn't find it objectionable.

Fish
01-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Many Vietnam vets have told me that booze and drugs were the only way they made it through their tours.... how can you expect to ship someone off to hell and tell them they can't have a beer along the way?

Mr. Laz
01-09-2009, 09:30 AM
dudes are putting thier lives on the line daily so those secetary screwing politicians can keep that cozy lake house.....

Just find it revolting...
and when a whole squad is hungover and it impairs them enough to get themselves killed?

i think they should be able to drink

but i understand the need for a limit

maybe like 6 beers .... so they can actually get a little drunk.

vailpass
01-09-2009, 09:31 AM
They lifted the ban once during the 1st Gulf War but I can't remember why. I was also in Grafenwoehr, Germany when a ban was lifted and a two beer max issued. I ended up spending a week in the hospital with about 100 other soldiers after the 10th mountain division and 2nd armored division started fighting in one of the beer tents.
Just one of the many reasons commanders do not allow liquor in combat zones.

Okay I'll admit it:I wish I could say something that was true and sounds as cool as that.

StcChief
01-09-2009, 09:57 AM
Good deal. Make it a real American beer.

Not an Inbev, SAB Miller/Coors product.

BLVD, Sam Adams, etc would be excellent choice and show the world We are 2nd to none in making it.

Dayze
01-09-2009, 09:58 AM
we had a 'steel beach picnic' on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson; we had been out in the gulf for 65+ straight days w/out port etc; 12hrs on, 12 off etc.

it was a grind

felt good to have 2 ice cold beers, a burger and dog and just chill while floating on the pond.

Braincase
01-09-2009, 10:13 AM
Two beers? Sounds fair... and send the young lady on the right to my tent.

Taco John
01-09-2009, 10:28 AM
I'm sorry but asking those guys to go risk their lives for their country while withholding booze and porn is f*cking criminal.

I'm tired of politically correct war. This is definately one area where freedom of the press has done more harm than good.



Do you actually believe that the press is the reason for this? Are you really *this* brain washed?

jidar
01-09-2009, 10:32 AM
I understand the ban, soldiers in a war zone should probably not be getting drunk.

Not only because of how it affects combat readiness, but the fact that many of them are already going to be in a fragile mental state and mixing alcohol with it is probably not a good idea.

Banning porn though, that's just cruel and unusual.

Frazod
01-09-2009, 10:37 AM
Occasionally when my ship was out to sea, on Sundays they would BBQ on the helo deck and allow everybody two beers. I could sell them for $10-20 a piece to the jonesing alcoholics.

jspchief
01-09-2009, 10:42 AM
Do you actually believe that the press is the reason for this? Are you really *this* brain washed?I believe that the military's need to be PC in everything they do is at least in part due to the way the press covers every step and misstep.

Wars were a hell of a lot easier for militarys to fight back when it didn't have to meet the approval of Jane Soccer Mom and the snippet she saw about the awful Americans while waiting for the morning news to end and Regis and Kelly to start.

No porn? Think that has anything to do with the fear of offending Muslims?

HemiEd
01-09-2009, 10:44 AM
They lifted the ban once during the 1st Gulf War but I can't remember why. I was also in Grafenwoehr, Germany when a ban was lifted and a two beer max issued. I ended up spending a week in the hospital with about 100 other soldiers after the 10th mountain division and 2nd armored division started fighting in one of the beer tents.

Just one of the many reasons commanders do not allow liquor in combat zones.

They should limit alcohol for Army and Marines, to prevent them from killing themselves and each other.
Air Force and Navy can handle it, no problem, Some things never change.:D

HemiEd
01-09-2009, 10:47 AM
Occasionally when my ship was out to sea, on Sundays they would BBQ on the helo deck and allow everybody two beers. I could sell them for $10-20 a piece to the jonesing alcoholics.

Your point is a good one, there will always be those guys willing to make a profit, or just don't drink, so some will end up with more than 2.

We never had any limitations on alocohol, or maybe I just didn't pay any attention. Alcohol was the least of the problems.

Duck Dog
01-09-2009, 11:02 AM
They should limit alcohol for Army and Marines, to prevent them from killing themselves and each other.
Air Force and Navy can handle it, no problem, Some things never change.:D

And the reason for that? Mixing high levels of testosterone and alcohol is never a good idea. Conversely though, when you mix estrogen and alcohol all you get is a lot of giggling followed by tears and lot's of 'I love you's.'
:D

Otter
01-09-2009, 11:02 AM
They lifted the ban once during the 1st Gulf War but I can't remember why. I was also in Grafenwoehr, Germany when a ban was lifted and a two beer max issued. I ended up spending a week in the hospital with about 100 other soldiers after the 10th mountain division and 2nd armored division started fighting in one of the beer tents.

Just one of the many reasons commanders do not allow liquor in combat zones.

Haha, that's awesome! (in a sick way)

I was in ~30 man fight in college when a disagreement escalated from 2 to many but 3/4 of those guys didn't know how to do anything but throw hay makers and pray. 100 guys from from the 10th Mountain Div and 2nd Armored...now that's a ****ing brawl.

:rockon:

HemiEd
01-09-2009, 11:26 AM
And the reason for that? Mixing high levels of testosterone and alcohol is never a good idea. Conversely though, when you mix estrogen and alcohol all you get is a lot of giggling followed by tears and lot's of 'I love you's.'
:D

ROFL touche', well played Grunt!

StcChief
01-09-2009, 11:29 AM
And the reason for that? Mixing high levels of testosterone and alcohol is never a good idea. Conversely though, when you mix estrogen and alcohol all you get is a lot of giggling followed by tears and lot's of 'I love you's.'
:D And the CRYING :deevee:

ArrowheadSoldier82
01-09-2009, 11:41 AM
I have been to Iraq twice and the first time I was actually stationed in Bagdad from Aug 03 to July 04 and believe me there are ways to get alcohol, I actually got busted drinking because some dickhead said I stumbled on my way to the porto john and went and got my platoon sergeant I was reduced two ranks, I had 2/3 of my pay taken away for 2 months, and I was also placed on 45 days of extra duty and 45 days of restriction, oh and I was about to be promoted in like a week but yeah that didn't happen haha!!

HemiEd
01-09-2009, 11:54 AM
I have been to Iraq twice and the first time I was actually stationed in Bagdad from Aug 03 to July 04 and believe me there are ways to get alcohol, I actually got busted drinking because some dickhead said I stumbled on my way to the porto john and went and got my platoon sergeant I was reduced two ranks, I had 2/3 of my pay taken away for 2 months, and I was also placed on 45 days of extra duty and 45 days of restriction, oh and I was about to be promoted in like a week but yeah that didn't happen haha!!

This sounds more like reality, hang in there, we appreciate it.

This thread reminds me of when a few of us Sailors ended up in an NCO Marine club to watch some pretty high class strippers they had for entertainment.
We all found it funny that the Marines at the next table were more interested in fighting amongst themselves than watching the naked woman on stage. Just a different kind of testosterone I guess.

Pennywise
01-09-2009, 12:43 PM
They lifted the ban once during the 1st Gulf War but I can't remember why. I was also in Grafenwoehr, Germany when a ban was lifted and a two beer max issued. I ended up spending a week in the hospital with about 100 other soldiers after the 10th mountain division and 2nd armored division started fighting in one of the beer tents.

Just one of the many reasons commanders do not allow liquor in combat zones.

I went to PLDC in that shithole.

Warrior5
01-09-2009, 12:55 PM
maybe like 6 beers .... so they can actually get a little drunk.

Trust me; some of these Soldiers haven't had a beer in almost a year.

Two beers will get them feeling fine...

JuicesFlowing
01-09-2009, 12:58 PM
There are actual liquor stores in Iraq? I didn't know that.:bravo:

Radar Chief
01-09-2009, 01:01 PM
I went to PLDC in that shithole.

All I ever saw of Grafenwoehr was the range. They had a big one there, IIRC, lots of tanks and artillery.
We were shooting peashooters by comparison, 16ís and 60ís. I did qualify with the Ma Deuce there, now thatís a gun thatíll project some anger down range.

kcfanXIII
01-09-2009, 01:14 PM
There are actual liquor stores in Iraq? I didn't know that.:bravo:

thats progress. thanks to all that have served.

i feel they should be able to drink a couple beers a day, anytime. don't think they need to be getting wasted, but a couple of brews to relax after a long day of fucking up insurgents seems fair.

Warrior5
01-09-2009, 01:17 PM
All I ever saw of Grafenwoehr was the range. They had a big one there, IIRC, lots of tanks and artillery.

Range 301.

jspchief
01-09-2009, 01:28 PM
thats progress. thanks to all that have served.

i feel they should be able to drink a couple beers a day, anytime. don't think they need to be getting wasted, but a couple of brews to relax after a long day of ****ing up insurgents seems fair.Just because these guys are deemed responsible enough to choose when to throw grenades and who to throw them at, don't assume they are responsible enough to have 2 beers.

Radar Chief
01-09-2009, 01:47 PM
Range 301.

That was the range that I saw some Paladins firing.
Those things were chucking a projectile down range that was about the size of a cinder block.

PunkinDrublic
01-09-2009, 03:34 PM
The thread title sounds like a Toby Keith song.

Kyle DeLexus
01-09-2009, 04:59 PM
The thread title sounds like a Toby Keith song.

ROFL I thought the same thing

R&GHomer
01-09-2009, 06:51 PM
Way to go Sir stuffy pants... lol

Enjoy your beer soldiers you have earned it. And for the record, I'll get anyone coming back on leave from a war zone drunk as a skunk. Well at least until I run out of money or someone goes to jail.

boogblaster
01-09-2009, 08:23 PM
Drink one for the ole USA and one for yourself men.. you are earning them ...