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Tribal Warfare
01-10-2009, 03:43 PM
Tebow and Bradford Face Quick Decisions on N.F.L. Draft (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/10/sports/ncaafootball/10pros.html?_r=1&ref=sports)
By PETE THAMEL and THAYER EVANS

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. — After spending the season as college football’s marquee stars, Florida quarterback Tim Tebow and Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford now hold the biggest off-season question in their hands.

Tebow, a junior, and Bradford, a redshirt sophomore, face a Thursday deadline for nonseniors to declare for the N.F.L. draft. And while each is a Heisman Trophy winner and a homegrown star at his state’s university, they project much differently as N.F.L. prospects. Both have filed paperwork with the N.F.L. to see where they are likely to be picked in April’s draft. Two rabid fan bases will be waiting anxiously for their decisions.

Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys executive and an analyst for NFL.com, said that he believed Bradford would be a top-10 pick and that Tebow would go in the lower half of the first round.

Tebow said Thursday night that he felt a strong emotional pull to return to college but that he would determine what was best for his career and his family.

The decision may be trickier for Bradford.

One N.F.L. scout, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to talk publicly about draft prospects, said Bradford was a “no-brainer” overall No. 1 pick and compared him to Troy Aikman, the first pick in the 1989 draft.

“When you’ve watched him at Oklahoma over the years, he sticks out like a sore thumb,” the scout said. “He’s not a nickel-dime, dink-and-dunk guy. He throws those deep balls as good as anyone I’ve ever seen.”

Bradford is ranked No. 1 by some draft experts, and there are only minor questions about him. Bradford, 21, has not quite filled in his 6-foot-4 frame — he is listed at 218 pounds — and Oklahoma’s offense has kept him from facing much pass-rush pressure. Still, the positives are considered impressive.

“He’s got the size, the arm, the feet and the release,” the scout said. “He makes good decisions. He seems like a really easy guy to evaluate.”

Another factor that may sway Bradford is that Oklahoma is losing four senior offensive linemen. And as many as three of Oklahoma’s top four receivers may not return, meaning that Bradford would have a drastically different cast around him. The Sooners scored 716 points this season, a modern N.C.A.A. record, and Bradford threw for 50 touchdowns with 8 interceptions.

Bradford’s most telling comment this week might have come when he was asked if he would be watching the N.F.L. playoffs.

“I’m not a big N.F.L. guy,” he said. “I don’t watch a lot of it.”

After Thursday night’s loss, Bradford said he was unsure of his future.

“Obviously, I’ll think about it within the next week,” he said. “It’s something that I haven’t put a lot of concentration into it.”

Tebow’s N.F.L. future is a bit murkier. The scout, who said he was not sold on Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford, an early entry for the draft, said that Tebow could be the second-best quarterback prospect but one with glaring deficiencies. Some have speculated that Tebow could end up as a fullback or a tight end because of his 6-foot-3, 240-pound frame. The scout sees Tebow as a quarterback, but one that has to be looked at skeptically because he is not a natural passer.

The scout said the bottom line comparison between the two was that Bradford made big plays with his arm this season and Tebow made them with his legs. Tebow was No. 4 nationally in passing efficiency entering Thursday night’s game and finished the season with 30 touchdown passes and 4 interceptions.

“I think he’ll be back,” Florida’s offensive coordinator, Dan Mullen, said. “He’ll make a very educated decision. He’ll look at all the options, and if he’s a first-rounder, he’ll probably leave, but if he’s not, he won’t.”

Florida Coach Urban Meyer would obviously like Tebow to return but said he would be a fine N.F.L. quarterback.

“When I hear people say, ‘I wonder if he can play in the N.F.L.’, then I don’t know what football is,” Meyer said. “I don’t have any idea what happens in the N.F.L. Scoring points and taking care of the ball, third-down efficiency are important. He can play at any level, anywhere.”

Scouts express few doubts about Bradford’s readiness, but Brandt said Bradford’s value would be even higher in next year’s draft.

“This is a guy that needs to stay in school,” Brandt said. “He’s really started to develop in the last year.”

Fritz88
01-10-2009, 03:48 PM
We should not go for a QB in in the first 2 rounds.

Tribal Warfare
01-10-2009, 03:50 PM
We should not go for a QB in in the first 2 rounds.

BPA, and if it's a QB you grab him.

PGM
01-10-2009, 04:10 PM
We should not go for a QB in in the first 2 rounds.

:spock:

KChiefs1
01-10-2009, 04:36 PM
Gil Brandt, a former Dallas Cowboys executive and an analyst for NFL.com, said that he believed Bradford would be a top-10 pick and that Tebow would go in the lower half of the first round.

One N.F.L. scout, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to talk publicly about draft prospects, said Bradford was a “no-brainer” overall No. 1 pick and compared him to Troy Aikman, the first pick in the 1989 draft.

“When you’ve watched him at Oklahoma over the years, he sticks out like a sore thumb,” the scout said. “He’s not a nickel-dime, dink-and-dunk guy. He throws those deep balls as good as anyone I’ve ever seen.”

Bradford is ranked No. 1 by some draft experts, and there are only minor questions about him. Bradford, 21, has not quite filled in his 6-foot-4 frame — he is listed at 218 pounds — and Oklahoma’s offense has kept him from facing much pass-rush pressure. Still, the positives are considered impressive.

“He’s got the size, the arm, the feet and the release,” the scout said. “He makes good decisions. He seems like a really easy guy to evaluate.”

Scouts express few doubts about Bradford’s readiness, but Brandt said Bradford’s value would be even higher in next year’s draft.

“This is a guy that needs to stay in school,” Brandt said. “He’s really started to develop in the last year.”


I really hope he comes out....

DaKCMan AP
01-10-2009, 04:58 PM
There's a chance that Tebow, Harvin and/or Spikes make an announcement tomorrow at the national championship celebration.

okcchief
01-10-2009, 05:56 PM
On the Sports Animal in OKC yesterday an OU insider said he believed Bradford was leaning towards staying in colege. I find that hard to believe but this guys information is usually pretty good. He said he wouldn't rule out Bradford going but said he heard some things after Thursday's game that made him believe Bradford would stay.

Good luck with a new line and wide receivers if he does. That decision could cost him millions.

OnTheWarpath58
01-10-2009, 06:51 PM
There's a chance that Tebow, Harvin and/or Spikes make an announcement tomorrow at the national championship celebration.


I'd be shocked if all three DON'T stay in school and try to win another NC.

ohiobronco2
01-10-2009, 07:08 PM
There's a chance that Tebow, Harvin and/or Spikes make an announcement tomorrow at the national championship celebration.

Hopefully they all come out. As a Bronco fan, I'd only really be interested in Spikes. However, the more players that announce at a position that isn't in demand for the Broncos, the more likely that a player in need falls.

Manila-Chief
01-10-2009, 09:19 PM
Good luck with a new line and wide receivers if he does. That decision could cost him millions.

Maybe that will be good for the Chiefs ... if we fail to get our QBOTF this year, his stock drops and we can get him where we will draft next year.

I prefer he come out and give us a chance at him or Stafford.

Tribal Warfare
01-10-2009, 09:25 PM
There's a chance that Tebow, Harvin and/or Spikes make an announcement tomorrow at the national championship celebration.

Tebow needs to stay until his Senior year though. The guy is too raw, and need an awesome QB coach to teach better mechanics, footwork, and the nuances like not zeroing in at one or two targets. I believe he can do it, but he'll have to work his balls off.

KCChiefsFan88
01-10-2009, 09:38 PM
Tebow isn't an NFL caliber QB... PERIOD.

Having a decent (not great game) against a mediocre Oklahoma defense is not going to convince me otherwise.

shaneo69
01-10-2009, 11:22 PM
I've never read an article that uses periods in "N.F.L."

DaFace
01-10-2009, 11:24 PM
I've never read an article that uses periods in "N.F.L."

I was about to mention the same thing, but you beat me to it.

Thig Lyfe
01-10-2009, 11:37 PM
I've never read an article that uses periods in "N.F.L."

Then I guess you've never read the New York Times.

Douche Baggins
01-10-2009, 11:38 PM
I've never read an article that uses periods in "N.F.L."

I thought that was fairly retarded.

Smed1065
01-11-2009, 03:31 AM
I thought that was fairly retarded.

Like Me...........

DaKCMan AP
01-11-2009, 08:43 AM
Tebow needs to stay until his Senior year though. The guy is too raw, and need an awesome QB coach to teach better mechanics, footwork, and the nuances like not zeroing in at one or two targets. I believe he can do it, but he'll have to work his balls off.

I really think Tebow should stay in school especially since Meyer just hired Scot Loeffler as QB coach. He could really benefit from a guy who has NFL credentials and has developed QBs before.

DaKCMan AP
01-11-2009, 08:44 AM
I'd be shocked if all three DON'T stay in school and try to win another NC.

I don't know about that. I still think Harvin and Spikes leave, but we'll see. There's been rumblings that they'll stay.

Skip Towne
01-11-2009, 08:47 AM
I think Tebow should take a long walk on a short pier.

Darth CarlSatan
01-11-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah, let's just make this one short and sweet:


1) Tebow. I have no interest in a high-round, high dollar Tight End.

2) Bradford. Get your ass back to class, stickman; you ain't EVEN ready.


Thank you, that is all.

DaKCMan AP
01-11-2009, 12:19 PM
TEBOW IS COMING BACK

Darth CarlSatan
01-11-2009, 12:38 PM
TEBOW IS COMING BACK

SWEET VIRGINIA, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Darth CarlSatan
01-11-2009, 12:40 PM
SWEET VIRGINIA, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just one left; C'mooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnn Stickboy!

PBJ

DaKCMan AP
01-12-2009, 06:48 AM
Brandon Spikes expected to return to Gators

By Jeremy Fowler | Orlando Sentinel
4:39 PM EST, January 11, 2009

GAINESVILLE - Linebacker Brandon Spikes might be an impressive NFL player one day, but the rumblings out of Gainesville indicate he'll follow Tim Tebow and return for his senior season.

Two Gators sources have told the Orlando Sentinel that Spikes is expected to play one more year with Florida. Tight end Aaron Hernandez definitively said on Sunday that "he's staying," and defensive coordinator Charlie Strong said after Thursday's national championship game that "I think he will (stay)." Hernandez said he learned through sources within the team.

Spikes, a potential first-round draft pick, has said he's heavily influenced by Tebow, who announced Sunday in front of 42,000 people in Ben Hill Griffin Stadium that he'll forgo the NFL draft and return to Gainesville to try to win a third national championship.

Oddly, Spikes wasn't in attendance for Sunday's formal celebration of the 2008 national championship, Florida's second in three seasons. There's no word yet on wide receiver Percy Harvin, who also could be a potential first-round pick in the 2009 NFL draft. Spikes is the leader of a stingy Florida defense that gave up around 13 points per game. Florida held a prolific Oklahoma offense to 40 points less than their 54-per-game average.

Should Spikes return, the Gators will have all 11 defensive starters playing in 2009.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spikes011109,0,555194.story

Meanwhile, scatback Percy Harvin and All-American linebacker Brandon Spikes have yet to declare their intentions -- although Harvin might have tipped his hand in a TV interview after Sunday's celebration.


''I don't know yet,'' Harvin said. ``I'm kind of leaning toward coming back, but I haven't made that decision. I'm going to sit down with Coach Meyer [on Monday].''


Spikes spent Sunday with his family rather than at the ceremony. Fellow linebacker Ryan Stamper said the Gators' leading tackler told him after beating Oklahoma that he planned to stay.


Spikes has said Tebow's decision would be a major factor in his own.


http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/colleges/story/848048.html

Pestilence
01-12-2009, 09:22 AM
I'm disappointed that Spikes isn't coming out....but it'd be cool if we have a shot at him next year.

BigChiefFan
01-12-2009, 09:32 AM
I don't know about that. I still think Harvin and Spikes leave, but we'll see. There's been rumblings that they'll stay.Percy Harvin is a stud. I can see big things out of him in the NFL.

buddha
01-12-2009, 09:34 AM
First of all, the comparisons to Aikman are moronic. I don't care who made them. Aikman was a more muscular athlete who had played a pro style offense at UCLA. I don't give a shit how Bradford throws the deep ball...he has to learn how to take the snap from center, the 3,5,7 step drops, and how to deal with NFL defensive pressure. It's a fair criticism. Bradford has never done particularly well under pressure. As for the spread and the shotgun, before folks say that these QBs can be converted in the NFL, just take a long look at Alex Smith.

Bradford is very accurate...almost freakishly so. However, I wouldn't spend a top five in the first round pick on him. He may be able to make the pro style conversion, but who knows? KC has significant needs across the board. You have to get a sure thing up there.

BigChiefFan
01-12-2009, 09:43 AM
First of all, the comparisons to Aikman are moronic. I don't care who made them. Aikman was a more muscular athlete who had played a pro style offense at UCLA. I don't give a shit how Bradford throws the deep ball...he has to learn how to take the snap from center, the 3,5,7 step drops, and how to deal with NFL defensive pressure. It's a fair criticism. Bradford has never done particularly well under pressure. As for the spread and the shotgun, before folks say that these QBs can be converted in the NFL, just take a long look at Alex Smith.

Bradford is very accurate...almost freakishly so. However, I wouldn't spend a top five in the first round pick on him. He may be able to make the pro style conversion, but who knows? KC has significant needs across the board. You have to get a sure thing up there.Bradford runs an offense similiar to the Steelers, which is obviously a pro-style offense. Also, Aikman PLAYED at OU before he went to UCLA, let's not pretend he was playing in some pro-style offense for years upon years, during the Switzer days. Accuracy will always be more coveted than arm strength, always. You might also pay attention to how quick Bradford releases the ball and that's a better indicator on how he should fair in the pros.

bishop_74
01-12-2009, 09:49 AM
LINK (http://www.newser.com/story/47649/tebow-to-gators-lets-do-it-again.html)

Tebow to Gators: 'Let's Do It Again'
Posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago in US, Sports

(Newser) – Gator Nation has two reasons to celebrate. One is the University of Florida's national championship win. The other is star quarterback Tim Tebow's return next year, reports the Gainsville Sun. Tebow broke the news to a crowd of 42,000 at the Swamp yesterday, initially making what sounded ominously like a farewell speech before announcing: "I'm coming back!" Tebow had been considering skipping senior year to play for the NFL.

"I love Gator nation, I love you all. Thank you so much. I appreciate you so much," Tebow told the crowd. "One more thing," he screamed as the fans rose to their feet. "Let's do it again!"
Source: Gainesville Sun

Darth CarlSatan
01-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Bradford’s most telling comment this week might have come when he was asked if he would be watching the N.F.L. playoffs.

“I’m not a big N.F.L. guy,” he said. “I don’t watch a lot of it.”

After Thursday night’s loss, Bradford said he was unsure of his future.

“Obviously, I’ll think about it within the next week,” he said. “It’s something that I haven’t put a lot of concentration into it.”

That's right Sammy, the NFL sucks and you don't want to be there. Good Llama; have some grain and an apple.

Back to class now, run along!

Darth CarlSatan
01-12-2009, 09:58 AM
LINK (http://www.newser.com/story/47649/tebow-to-gators-lets-do-it-again.html)

Tebow to Gators: 'Let's Do It Again'
Posted 8 hours, 27 minutes ago in US, Sports

(Newser) – Gator Nation has two reasons to celebrate. One is the University of Florida's national championship win. The other is star quarterback Tim Tebow's return next year, reports the Gainsville Sun. Tebow broke the news to a crowd of 42,000 at the Swamp yesterday, initially making what sounded ominously like a farewell speech before announcing: "I'm coming back!" Tebow had been considering skipping senior year to play for the NFL.

"I love Gator nation, I love you all. Thank you so much. I appreciate you so much," Tebow told the crowd. "One more thing," he screamed as the fans rose to their feet. "Let's do it again!"
Source: Gainesville Sun

He's going to be the next Jim Bakker / Robert Tilton.

That mic in his hand, and the PTL comments just LEAP off the screen. He has a great, swindlish, future ahead of him.

smittysbar
01-12-2009, 10:19 AM
That's right Sammy, the NFL sucks and you don't want to be there. Good Llama; have some grain and an apple.

Back to class now, run along!

You prove more and more each day, how much of an annoying close minded dumb fuck, you really are.

Darth CarlSatan
01-12-2009, 10:23 AM
You prove more and more each day, how much of an annoying close minded dumb fuck, you really are.

Yeah, actual observation of play NEVER factored in to the equation.

Do suck my balls.

Darth CarlSatan
01-12-2009, 10:29 AM
You prove more and more each day, how much of an annoying close minded dumb fuck, you really are.

Now he's gotta' go back! Back! Back to School Again!

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smittysbar
01-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Cause his play sucked so bad...........keep reaching dipshit

smittysbar
01-12-2009, 10:37 AM
Espn- Erin Andrews reports Tim Tebow had surgery on his right shoulder Mon. to remove bone spurs

Darth CarlSatan
01-12-2009, 10:38 AM
Cause his play sucked so bad...........keep reaching dipshit


Mmm...yeah, no.

Define "deer in headlights":

Sam Bradford wandering off to some weird zone on the field as a Gator pass-rush keeps coming again and again and again.

I know that when MY QB for the Chiefs rolls out, I definitely want him to travel in a diagonal to the sideline, and please go 5 to 10 yards backwards while doing so.
But it's not his fault, right? I mean come on; those Great receivers of his purposefully went full 'SUCK' just in time for the title game, yes?

Who the fuck needs to reach when you have eyes in your head? But by all means, run to the store for another box of Stoops Brand Kool-Aid.

smittysbar
01-12-2009, 10:41 AM
He didn't play bad

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2009, 04:24 PM
If Tebow stayed in the pocket more and worked on his passing this year he could develop nicely.