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KCJohnny
01-10-2009, 10:31 PM
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3803148

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
http://www.draftseason.com/lupagus-nfl-mock-draft

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
http://newnfldraft.com/

Aaron Curry, OLB Wake Forest
http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/nflmockdraft.html

James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/70669-nfl-2009-mock-draft-round-one

This site (http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/MockDraft.htm) compiles draft 'experts' picks. Out of the top 25, only 3 have Bradford falling to the Chiefs at #3 while 9 have Matt Stafford falling to the 3rd overrall (!) and 3 have Orakpo and 3 have Curry being selected as the 3rd overall pick. Just 12 of 25 project a QB to be selected as the 3rd overall (assuming most realize KC has the #3 pick). 10 of the 25 have defensive players being selected #3.

The rationale provided by many of the draft websites is that the Chiefs should continue to develop Tyler Thigpen and draft to address the NFL's worst _efense which set an NFL record for fewest sacks in league history.

Of course the X factor is the new GM, but I thought it was interesting that Sam Bradford was not a slam dunk for most draft web sites, and fewer than 50% see Kansas City drafting a QB at all.

KCJohnny
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The Bad Guy
01-10-2009, 10:32 PM
I want nothing to do with:

Bradford, Laurnitis or Orakpo.

Reerun_KC
01-10-2009, 10:33 PM
I want nothing to do with:

Bradford, Laurnitis or Orakpo.

This...

I really dont want Bradford, but wil take him over any of those guys...

KCJohnny
01-10-2009, 10:36 PM
If Thigpen is not the answer, I like Bradford or Sanchez, who is not projected for the first round at all.
But we REALLY need help on _efense...

Anyone have a scouting report on Curry? Apparently he's one of the best defensive players in the nation.

Basileus777
01-10-2009, 10:38 PM
Curry or Laurinaitis at 3 are pure insanity.

KCJohnny
01-10-2009, 11:04 PM
Curry (http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php) doesn't get nearly enough credit for being the top pro prospect that he is. The #1 senior in the country and a legit Top 5 talent, Curry can basically do it all. A great all-around linebacker who can stuff the run, drop into coverage and rush the passer, Curry is also versatile enough to play outside or inside in either a 4-3 or a 3-4 defensive scheme. The guy is really the total package. With the Chiefs Curry could fit in on the strongside or in the middle and he would give their front seven the boost they need.

Deberg_1990
01-10-2009, 11:06 PM
Stafford.

Yes please!

CaliforniaChief
01-10-2009, 11:16 PM
If Bradford/Stafford go #1 and a QB is available along with Crabtree, we could be in a position to move down 3 or 4 spots and pick up more draft picks. Combine that with a potential LJ trade and I could see the following scenario:

First round: A defensive playmaker like Orakpo, Curry, Laurinitis, or Maulauga.

Second round: Mark Sanchez

And maybe we could get another 2nd if someone moves up, so we could continue to build our O-line.

Still too early to know how these guys grade out, but I think it's going to be a very fun offseason for us.

Nightfyre
01-10-2009, 11:17 PM
If Bradford/Stafford go #1 and a QB is available along with Crabtree, we could be in a position to move down 3 or 4 spots and pick up more draft picks. Combine that with a potential LJ trade and I could see the following scenario:

First round: A defensive playmaker like Orakpo, Curry, Laurinitis, or Maulauga.

Second round: Mark Sanchez

And maybe we could get another 2nd if someone moves up, so we could continue to build our O-line.

Still too early to know how these guys grade out, but I think it's going to be a very fun offseason for us.
NO way sanchez drops out of the top ten, let alone to the second round.

cdcox
01-10-2009, 11:18 PM
If Mark Sanchez comes out, there is no possible way he will be available in the 2nd round.

CaliforniaChief
01-10-2009, 11:21 PM
Then perhaps we can grab him in the first round if we move down. I really like his skill set and leadership ability. I love Thigpen, but we need to draft a viable franchise QB.

OnTheWarpath58
01-10-2009, 11:24 PM
If Mark Sanchez comes out, there is no possible way he will be available in the 2nd round.

If Mark Sanchez comes out, he's not lasting past pick 15.

If there was even a remote possibility he would slide like Aaron Rodgers did, he would go back to USC.

If he declares, it's because he's been told by the advisory committee and others that he's a very high pick.

KCJohnny
01-10-2009, 11:38 PM
Doesn't Sanchez (and all other non-seniors) have to declare his eligibility by Thursday?

BossChief
01-10-2009, 11:51 PM
IF statistically speaking, Thigpen outplayed Ryan and Flacco as first year starters (which he did) why would we be talking about drafting his replacement?

Crabtree...Monroe...Oher...Brown...Orakpo should be our top choices

this is all sure to change before the draft as we should be major players in free agency prior to the draft

Basileus777
01-10-2009, 11:53 PM
IF statistically speaking, Thigpen outplayed Ryan and Flacco as first year starters (which he did)

Except he didn't.

Mecca
01-10-2009, 11:55 PM
Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:00 AM
Thigpen outplayed Ryan really.......is 54% better than 61% now?

Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 12:00 AM
IF statistically speaking, Thigpen outplayed Ryan and Flacco as first year starters (which he did) why would we be talking about drafting his replacement?

Crabtree...Monroe...Oher...Brown...Orakpo should be our top choices


If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:02 AM
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

Whatever will we do!

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:02 AM
If Sanchez(declares) or Stafford aren't available I'm starting to believe that KC might trade down and select Aaron Curry.

Everything I have heard about Curry says he's a slam dunk for the NFL. Heaven knows in the Cover Who we have a sucking chest wound at ILB.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Yes drafting a real QB will really set back this 2-14 team and it's ability to run the gimmick spread offense...

Whatever will we do!

Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:03 AM
You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:04 AM
Who do you want with the 3rd pick if Stafford is gone? IIRC you aren't a fan of Bradford.

Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:05 AM
Give me some kind of clarification of who's in the draft and who's been picked and I'll give you my answer.

Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:06 AM
Even if one accepts all those things as true, statistically speaking, Thigpen still did not outplay Ryan or Flacco.

Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 12:06 AM
You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

Dude, I said trade down, but "you can't pick this player at this point" is getting tired. If that player is A LB and the BPA you select him (Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau)

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:06 AM
Let's say Stafford and Andre Smith are gone.

Is Sanchez in the draft?

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:07 AM
You don't take LB's with top 5 picks unless you're a 3-4 team taking a rush backer which is like taking a DE in a 3-4, got it?

And by draft time, we might be just that, got it?

BigMeatballDave
01-11-2009, 12:07 AM
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.:doh!: Not this shit again...:rolleyes:

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:07 AM
Dude, I said trade down, but "you can't pick this player at this point" is getting tired. If that player is the BPA you select him (Derrick Thomas, Junior Seau)

Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:08 AM
Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.

You do understand the Chiefs ran a gimmick offense predicated on letting the QB make easy throws and throwing all the time...I'd hope he had alot of yards and TD's.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:09 AM
Is Sanchez in the draft?

Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?


Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.

Even the best LB prospects can easily disappoint if taken that high. Look at AJ Hawk. He's a solid player, but a solid OLB is never worth a top 5 pick.

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 12:09 AM
Derrick Thomas was a rush backer.... I don't believe non rushers backers are worth a pick that high, he'd have to literally be a every year pro bowler.



Dude, at Alabama he did both blitzing and coverage

BigMeatballDave
01-11-2009, 12:11 AM
Uh, completion % and QB rating are not the only stats. Thigpen threw, ran or caught for 22 TDs, way more than either Flacco or Ryan. And he had to dig an offense out of a hole after playing back up to the back up QB all camp and early in the season and could not count on his _efense for anything.

I commend both Ryan and Flacco for guiding their teams to 11-5 seasons and the playoffs. But they have far superior supporting casts.Obtuse

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:11 AM
Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?




Even the best LB prospects can easily disappoint if taken that high. Look at AJ Hawk. He's a solid player, but a solid OLB is never worth a top 5 pick.

I liked AJ Hawk but I'd just never use a top 10 pick on a OLB unless like I said 3-4 rush backer.

I'd likely take Sanchez in the spot if he persay didn't come out, I'd then default to my opinion the best player best upside player in this draft and take Taylor Mays.

EyePod
01-11-2009, 12:11 AM
Curry or Laurinaitis at 3 are pure insanity.

Curry isn't amazing. And he's not a Maualuga or a Cushing, who may be the product of their teammate. He does it all by himself. He would be a solid pick.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:13 AM
Curry isn't amazing. And he's not a Maualuga or a Cushing, who may be the product of their teammate. He does it all by himself. He would be a solid pick.

That can be a problem.....playing with other players like the SC guys you mentioned means they understand scheme and assignment discipline better than a guy who has to be a 1 man team...

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 12:15 AM
Just to clarify I'm still on the Sanchez/Stafford bandwagon

Nightfyre
01-11-2009, 12:16 AM
Wins: Thigpen - 2; Ryan - 11; Flacco - 11
YPA: Thigpen - 6.2; Ryan - 7.9; Flacco- 6.9

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:17 AM
Sanchez and every significant underclassman has declared.

So you're high enough on Sanchez to take him at 3?



Link?

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:18 AM
Wins: Thigpen - 2; Ryan - 11; Flacco - 11
YPA: Thigpen - 6.2; Ryan - 7.9; Flacco- 6.9

And YPA is pretty much the most important stat for evaluating qbs.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 12:18 AM
Link?

It was a hypothetical scenerio.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:18 AM
Link?

Wow you're dense.

Nightfyre
01-11-2009, 12:19 AM
And YPA is pretty much the most important stat for evaluating qbs.

Pretty much.

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:21 AM
Pretty much.
Yeah, you're right. Who needs TDs?

aturnis
01-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Wow you're dense.

ha!

Nightfyre
01-11-2009, 12:27 AM
Yeah, you're right. Who needs TDs?

PPG: Chiefs - 18.2; Falcons - 24.4; Ravens - 24.1
TDs: Thigpen - 18; Ryan - 14; Flacco -14

Funny - TDs by the QB don't correlate to team scoring.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 12:31 AM
PPG: Chiefs - 18.2; Falcons - 24.4; Ravens - 24.1
TDs: Thigpen - 18; Ryan - 14; Flacco -14

Funny - TDs by the QB don't correlate to team scoring.

This is Johnny the guy who tried to use the garbage time stats the Chiefs put up in the Buffalo blowout as an example of the offense improving.

beach tribe
01-11-2009, 12:40 AM
So KC Johnny wants to keep Herm, as the coach, and Thigpen as the starter.


Thigpen will be the starter for a few games until our QBOTF is ready to play.

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:40 AM
PPG: Chiefs - 18.2; Falcons - 24.4; Ravens - 24.1
TDs: Thigpen - 18; Ryan - 14; Flacco -14

Funny - TDs by the QB don't correlate to team scoring.

Thigpen had 4 additional TDs rushing/receiving. And the Chiefs averaged 21.6 ppg in games started by Thigpen who came off the ebnch. Flacco and Ryan were starters in camp from day one and got all the reps. thigpen got garbage time or scout team reps and had to immediately step in and play.

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 12:40 AM
This also concerning drafting strategy if KC believes Albert is cemented at LT, and Sanchez/Stafford isn't there. I'm kind of expecting them making the team trading up sell there soul which would mean next years 1st round pick and another day 1 pick if they just totally fell in love with a specific player.if they won't do that pick the BPA even if it's an LT and move Albert to RT. I rather do that then allow a team to believe we need to trade down to fill a need because then you'd get the bad end of the deal because of the undercutting.

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 12:42 AM
So KC Johnny wants to keep Herm, as the coach, and Thigpen as the starter.


Thigpen will be the starter for a few games until our QBOTF is ready to play.

What I said was that Edwards deserves another year as he had just one to rebuild. And its hard IMHO to justify picking a QB in the draft when you have the NFL's worst _efense.

Rigodan
01-11-2009, 12:49 AM
Hey Mecca, just curious who you would take if everyone relevant but Sanchez declared and Stafford and Mays were off the board. What do you do then? Do you settle for Bradford?

I know Mays likely won't be gone but I am skeptical the chiefs would take him there. I could definately live with Mays though.

SNR
01-11-2009, 01:04 AM
Hey Mecca, just curious who you would take if everyone relevant but Sanchez declared and Stafford and Mays were off the board. What do you do then? Do you settle for Bradford?

I know Mays likely won't be gone but I am skeptical the chiefs would take him there. I could definately live with Mays though.Rams likely want Andre Smith. I think either Stafford OR Mays will be there at #3. Or both, in which case we take Stafford.

Basileus777
01-11-2009, 01:06 AM
Rams likely want Andre Smith. I think either Stafford OR Mays will be there at #3. Or both, in which case we take Stafford.

Taking a safety at 3? I hope we aren't that fucking stupid.

I wouldn't mind trading down and taking Mays, but at 3 he is horrible value.

crazycoffey
01-11-2009, 01:09 AM
mocks are fun!!!!


all look to be good players at this level, but who knows....
not terribly happy/upset with some of them

KCJohnny
01-11-2009, 01:18 AM
Rams likely want Andre Smith. I think either Stafford OR Mays will be there at #3. Or both, in which case we take Stafford.

Thanks.

So who is the QBotF for the Rams? Isn't Bulger about 32?

Valiant
01-11-2009, 02:41 AM
Thanks.

So who is the QBotF for the Rams? Isn't Bulger about 32?

I don't think the Rams believe they are in rebuilding road.. Just a fucking awful year..

mylittlepony
01-11-2009, 04:31 AM
This also concerning drafting strategy if KC believes Albert is cemented at LT, and Sanchez/Stafford isn't there. I'm kind of expecting them making the team trading up sell there soul which would mean next years 1st round pick and another day 1 pick if they just totally fell in love with a specific player.if they won't do that pick the BPA even if it's an LT and move Albert to RT. I rather do that then allow a team to believe we need to trade down to fill a need because then you'd get the bad end of the deal because of the undercutting.

Exactly.I agree 100%. You draft by looking at your board not at your roster.

Getting top 15 talent with a top 3 pick (just because of the position he plays) is bad value.

BigMeatballDave
01-11-2009, 05:00 AM
And its hard IMHO to justify picking a QB in the draft when you have the NFL's worst _efense.This makes absolutely no sense. BPA. If its Stafford or Sanchez, you take them.

BigMeatballDave
01-11-2009, 05:03 AM
Thanks.

So who is the QBotF for the Rams? Isn't Bulger about 32?If they draft a QB, they are going to have way too much money wrapped up in 2 QBs. They just re-signed Bulger to a large deal a couple years ago.

kstater
01-11-2009, 05:07 AM
Uh, Ryan had the luxury of the NFL's #1 rushing attack (2460 yds) and had less TDs than Thiggy and about the same amount of INTs. Thigpen deserves to compete for the starting QB position next year. Drafting a QB next year could set the whole project back by 2 years or more. Flacco had the NFL's best D to cover for him and Ryan had the NFL's best rushing attack. Thigpen iherited a team dead last in total offense in 2007 and finished dead last in total defense in 2008. The Chiefs averaged 21.6 PPG in games started by Thigpen.

And not drafting a QB and relying on Thigpen could set the franchise back 10 years.

SNR
01-11-2009, 06:44 AM
Thanks.

So who is the QBotF for the Rams? Isn't Bulger about 32?Trent Green?

No, seriously, I don't really know. I just think they were eyeing Jake Long last year and didn't get what they wanted, so THIS year's premier LT that's even better should be drafted.

Mark M
01-11-2009, 06:46 AM
... You draft by looking at your board not at your roster.

That is the smartest thing about the draft ever posted on this site.

:clap:

The Chiefs had horrific drafts during the Gun and DV years due to poor scouting, and then relying on that poor scouting to draft a player of dire need. So instead of wisely using FA to fill true needs and using the draft to stockpile talent, they've whiffed in FA and over-reached in the draft. It's drafting based on desperation -- even fear -- and it's been an absolute failure.

Granted, one still doesn't spend a high pick on a position if one already has the position filled with a truly talented player. But one should always be looking to upgrade any position when the chance comes, and that's something the Chiefs simply haven't been able to do.

I guess that's what happens when your GM thinks the draft is a "crapshoot," rather than, you know, an essential way to stock your roster.

MM
~~:shrug:

Warrior5
01-11-2009, 07:01 AM
This makes absolutely no sense. BPA. If its Stafford or Sanchez, you take them.

Only if you think a Stafford or Sanchez are BPA. If you think a DE or LB is the BPA, it makes perfect sense.

JASONSAUTO
01-11-2009, 08:30 AM
You do understand the Chiefs ran a gimmick offense predicated on letting the QB make easy throws and throwing all the time...I'd hope he had alot of yards and TD's.

so this"gimmick" let an unknown small school loser score 22 td's in his first year starting yet should be scrapped??:rolleyes:

JASONSAUTO
01-11-2009, 08:32 AM
PPG: Chiefs - 18.2; Falcons - 24.4; Ravens - 24.1
TDs: Thigpen - 18; Ryan - 14; Flacco -14

Funny - TDs by the QB don't correlate to team scoring.

funny those other 2 teams ACTUALLY have a run game

Tribal Warfare
01-11-2009, 08:34 AM
I like I said if Stafford is available KC will select him

58-4ever
01-11-2009, 08:49 AM
I think Crabtree will drop quite a bit when he runs a 4.55

FringeNC
01-11-2009, 08:57 AM
If we get Pioli, he's not a BPA guy. It's more of a coach-centered approach. Can the guy fit into the system that the coach runs?

Reerun_KC
01-11-2009, 08:59 AM
If we get Pioli, he's not a BPA guy. It's more of a coach-centered approach. Can the guy fit into the system that the coach runs?

He has to be an upgrade of what we have done the last 20 years..

Dont you think?

Plus I have a feeling we wont be saddled with Rejects like Marty, Gun, DV or shit for brains coaches like Herm...

FringeNC
01-11-2009, 09:06 AM
He has to be an upgrade of what we have done the last 20 years..

Dont you think?

Plus I have a feeling we wont be saddled with Rejects like Marty, Gun, DV or shit for brains coaches like Herm...

I think it's a good philosophy, but I doubt most on here will agree who tend to downplay the role of coaching in success.

SNR
01-11-2009, 09:29 AM
Only if you think a Stafford or Sanchez are BPA. If you think a DE or LB is the BPA, it makes perfect sense.The BPA is NOT a DE or a LB in the first 5 picks

King_Chief_Fan
01-11-2009, 09:49 AM
He has to be an upgrade of what we have done the last 20 years..

Dont you think?

Plus I have a feeling we wont be saddled with Rejects like Marty, Gun, DV or shit for brains coaches like Herm...

As much as I hope you are right, I have a really bad feeling that Herm will be here. Clark will get the new GM to keep him one more year. Pure speculation on my part.....I hope I am wrong.

King_Chief_Fan
01-11-2009, 09:51 AM
funny those other 2 teams ACTUALLY have a run game

Because they have a good OL, position coaches and a head coach that appears to know what he is doing.

Rigodan
01-11-2009, 10:53 AM
so this"gimmick" let an unknown small school loser score 22 td's in his first year starting yet should be scrapped??:rolleyes:

Loser is a little harsh but yea the offense needs to be scrapped. The odds of an offense like that winning a Lombardi Trophy are slim to none. It's not effective enough inside the red zone.

Pestilence
01-11-2009, 12:09 PM
Because they have a good OL, position coaches and a head coach that appears to know what he is doing.

That and the fact that they run a realistic NFL offense. Comparing Thigpen to Ryan and Flacco is dumb. Thigpen ran the spread offense which allowed him to score more TDs due to the fact that we hardly ran the ball and we were always down.

Saul Good
01-11-2009, 12:32 PM
That is the smartest thing about the draft ever posted on this site.

:clap:

The Chiefs had horrific drafts during the Gun and DV years due to poor scouting, and then relying on that poor scouting to draft a player of dire need. So instead of wisely using FA to fill true needs and using the draft to stockpile talent, they've whiffed in FA and over-reached in the draft. It's drafting based on desperation -- even fear -- and it's been an absolute failure.

Granted, one still doesn't spend a high pick on a position if one already has the position filled with a truly talented player. But one should always be looking to upgrade any position when the chance comes, and that's something the Chiefs simply haven't been able to do.

I guess that's what happens when your GM thinks the draft is a "crapshoot," rather than, you know, an essential way to stock your roster.

MM
~~:shrug:

I agree with what you're saying here, but there is a third option.

Option 1: Draft the best player on your board regardless of position and need.

Option 2: Draft the best player available that fills a position of need.

Option 3: Trade up/down until the best player on your board is at a position of need.


In my opinion, option 3 is the ideal situation. That seems to be what the Patriots have done, and it's worked out well for them. If they had a healthy Brady and a healthy Cassel and the best player on their board was a QB when it was their turn to pick, they would back up a few spots, get an extra pick or 2, and still get the player they wanted.

Conversely, if the player they really wanted likely wasn't going to fall to them, they would be willing to deal pick in order to get the right guy instead of settling for what was left.

If the Chiefs were to be totally focused on drafting a DE, let's say Brian Orakpo, but they had him as the 15th best player on their board, they would be smart to trade down to the 8-12 rage and pick up a pick. Even if they didn't get "fair value" for the pick, it wouldn't matter because they would have gotten the guy that they wanted and accumulated additional value in the process. Then, they could package their second round pick with the pick they just acquired and grab the next player that they covet.

I just think that it's a mistake to play the cards that you are dealt unless it just so happens that you are dealt a royal flush. The odds that a team just happens to be in the perfect spot based on their initial draft position are slim. Why not try to posture yourself into a better spot?

KChiefs1
01-11-2009, 12:51 PM
So the draft pecking order for QB is this:

1. Matt Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Sam Bradford

Am I reading everyone's opinion right?

milkman
01-11-2009, 01:14 PM
So the draft pecking order for QB is this:

1. Matt Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Sam Bradford

Am I reading everyone's opinion right?

I think that Sanchez is ahead of Stafford.
But its pretty close.

Coogs
01-11-2009, 01:53 PM
But we REALLY need help on _efense...


We have to have a change in the coaching on the defense. How many more first day draft picks are we going to give Gun and get virtually no return on our investment. And if we wind up stuck with this clown outfit for the next year, Krumrine should not be allowed to go on college campus evaluations where the single most important drill he seems to believe in is the hand slap drill. There has to be a better talent device than that.

Saul Good
01-11-2009, 02:25 PM
I think that Sanchez is ahead of Stafford.
But its pretty close.

A lot of posters are starting to say the same thing. I think this is a classic case of Stafford being so hyped that he gets over-scrutinized. Everyone knows his positives, so they stop really watching for those, and they start looking for the negatives.

If Sanchez comes back, the same thing will happen to him. People will hype him up, and everyone will take the pluses for granted. If you're looking for faults in a college QB, you're going to find them eventually.

milkman
01-11-2009, 02:34 PM
A lot of posters are starting to say the same thing. I think this is a classic case of Stafford being so hyped that he gets over-scrutinized. Everyone knows his positives, so they stop really watching for those, and they start looking for the negatives.

I'm pretty sure that for some, if not most, of us, and certainly for me, there was a feeling throughout most of the season that sanchez would return for his senior season, while Stafford would declare, so there wasn't much point in discussing Sanchez.

But as the season wound down, there appeared to be som indicators that he might decalre, so he then entered the discusion.

If Sanchez comes back, the same thing will happen to him. People will hype him up, and everyone will take the pluses for granted. If you're looking for faults in a college QB, you're going to find them eventually.

I think it's gonna be harder to find too much to question in his game than it is for Stafford and Bradford.