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xbarretx
01-11-2009, 09:11 AM
good to have something positive being said about us.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/011109dnsponflrookieslede.3792d98.html



2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead

Edwards sees reason to be optimistic after getting 70 starts from rookie class


01:26 AM CST on Sunday, January 11, 2009



When coach Herman Edwards looks at his 2008 Kansas City Chiefs, he doesn't see a 2-14 team.

He sees a team with a future.

For six consecutive seasons, the Chiefs were one of the oldest teams in the NFL. But as their players aged, their stock as playoff contenders diminished. The Chiefs slid from a 13-3 team in 2003 to a 4-12 team in 2007.

So the Chiefs made an organizational decision to get younger in 2008. Kansas City drafted a league-high 12 players last April, and Edwards made the commitment to put them on the field


It was painful at times to watch. The Chiefs were steamrolled by Atlanta (38-14), shut out by Carolina (31-0) and crushed by Tennessee (34-10) in the first half of the season.

But by the end of the year, the young Chiefs were competitive. They lost by a point to AFC West champion San Diego in December. Then AFC East champ Miami needed a touchdown in the closing minutes to avert an upset.

The Chiefs kept 11 of their 12 draft picks, and another finished the season on injured reserve. Seven of the draft picks started a staggering 70 games 26 more than any other team. The average age of their starting lineup dropped from 28.9 years in 2007 to 25.2 in 2008.

Four of the picks first-rounders Glenn Dorsey (defensive tackle) and Branden Albert (offensive tackle), second-rounder Brandon Flowers (cornerback) and fifth-rounder Brandon Carr (cornerback) became season-long starters.

AP
Rookie Brandon Flowers became a season-long starter at cornerback for Kansas City.
View larger More photos Photo store "Something good is going to come out of all this," Edwards said. "I know that, and I think the players know that, too."

Here's a team-by-team review of the 2008 draft based on rookie productivity, plus updated grades from The Dallas Morning News based on first-year achievement. The number of rookie starts and starters weighed heavily in the grading process.
*then theres lots of charts after the article comparing them to the rest of the nfl and such.*

The Bad Guy
01-11-2009, 09:12 AM
I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.

xbarretx
01-11-2009, 09:15 AM
I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.

well i kinda glazed over that part my friend ;) i posted this b/c eventhough peeps want to complain out last years draft we do have a foundation to build upon....one that wont include Herm. :p

NaptownChief
01-11-2009, 09:18 AM
I don't want to read any article that mentions Herman Edwards still as the Chiefs coach.



I honestly can't remember for certain but by chance was it you that got really pissed at me because I wouldn't stop bashing the Herm hire? Seems like you and I agreed on most things over the years but you got mad because I kept saying he was a horrible hire and that you don't trade draft picks for coaches that just went 4-12.

It honestly could have been somebody else as I can't remember for certain as it has been several years and a lot of cold beers ago.

The Bad Guy
01-11-2009, 09:20 AM
I honestly can't remember for certain but by chance was it you that got really pissed at me because I wouldn't stop bashing the Herm hire? Seems like you and I agreed on most things over the years but you got mad because I kept saying he was a horrible hire and that you don't trade draft picks for coaches that just went 4-12.

It honestly could have been somebody else as I can't remember for certain as it has been several years and a lot of cold beers ago.

I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a fucking moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.

Reerun_KC
01-11-2009, 09:20 AM
Why does Herm have a job?

This is getting patheticly embarrasing as a Chiefs fan...

Reerun_KC
01-11-2009, 09:21 AM
I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a ****ing moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.

Ah the good ol days! :clap:

We had some great scrums over that....

The Bad Guy
01-11-2009, 09:24 AM
Ah the good ol days! :clap:

We had some great scrums over that....

I'm a better person for admitting what a vile piece of shit Herman Edwards is as a head coach.

NaptownChief
01-11-2009, 09:27 AM
I didn't get really mad about it, but yes that was me.

I was a ****ing moron about Herm.

Please accept my apologies Joe.


Apologies accepted. :D


I just hope like hell the new GM fires him and quick. I still follow the Chiefs a good bit in the box scores and started watching some games again once Thigpen was under center but I decided after the Herm hire that I was done until Peterson and Herm were both gone. Hopefully that time has finally come.

I would love to have a reason to be passionate about Chiefs football again. After about 20 years of passion I just ran out knowing that nothing good was ever going to come from a GM as poor as Peterson and a coach as poor as Edwards. Only so many wood shed beatings a man can take and I hit my threshold with Peterson's last "hired a buddy who will not challenge me" program.

Coogs
01-11-2009, 09:29 AM
Ummmmm... Ya think!?!?

NaptownChief
01-11-2009, 09:36 AM
Ummmmm... Ya think!?!?


Technically it could get worse. The Lions proved that it actually could get 2 games worse. Prior to this year it looked like it could only get one game worse but that is the case no longer. ROFL

xbarretx
01-11-2009, 09:54 AM
Technically it could get worse. The Lions proved that it actually could get 2 games worse. Prior to this year it looked like it could only get one game worse but that is the case no longer. ROFL

that goodness Herm doesnt use the internet....you dont want to give him any ideas ;)

BossChief
01-11-2009, 10:00 AM
Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

Coogs
01-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Personally I think an entire house cleaning is in order. However, if the decision is made to keep Herm, I hope at the very least Gun and Krumrine are shown the door. If that requires an extention in herms contract to lure in good candidates, then give him an extention. Then if things don't improve next season, then still let him walk.

But if they do keep Herm.... gun and Krumrine must go. Otherwise it may not be brighter days ahead for at least another season.

DJJasonp
01-11-2009, 10:25 AM
Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

I'll give you props for coming strong as a n00b.....but you're gonna get flamed for this!:doh!:

whoman69
01-11-2009, 10:34 AM
Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

Landry was from an expansion team. When he had a record like that again he was fired. Johnson took over Landry's mess. Coughlin started a rookie QB and was going to be fired not for their play on the field, but his actions off. He has since learned to relax a bit. For Fisher, getting a franchise to its only Super Bowl buys you a little time.

The commonality of these coaches is they had one atrocious season, not two horrendous seasons. Dungy was fired in Tampa because he couldn't pull them over the top and was replaced by someone who couldn't get his team over the top. If both had stayed put most likely neither would have been in the Super Bowl.

You cannot call consecutive season of 4-12 and 2-14 premature. That would have been like declaring McCain the winner of the election the one day that he was ahead of Obama in the polls. Get a grip. Herm has not proven that he has the scheme or the ability to take this team beyond. He had the Jets not even as good as the Chiefs were when he took over, and brought them down. Was he rebuilding his own mistakes in New York? I'm not buying the rebuilding excuse. This team is just plain bad in talent and execution. I don't see giving a shot to a young guy you know will never make it just because he is a young guy. The offensive line we put out there this year should have never seen the light of day.

milkman
01-11-2009, 11:06 AM
Alan Faneca
Willie Anderson
Jon Vilma
Jason Taylor/Javon Kearse
Chad Pennington

All players CP/Herm passed on to build a team from the ground up, the way champions are built!

If we would have signed those guys it would have been worth at least a 8 point swing and that would have garnered us 10 wins adn no talk about firing herm would be running rampant.

Instead he took the high road and chose to give the experience to the young guys and take his lumps now

Back in the day when Tom Landry coached, he went through a similar situation with youth and went 1-13, he was "rewarded" with a ten year contract and won three superbowls with that team he drafted and developed!

Tom Coughlin was going to be fired before his run of what can turn out to be multiple superbowls

Dick Vermiel was looked at as a coach that the game had passed by until he won the superbowl after following a 3-13 season

Jeff Fisher was almost ran out of town because of his rebuild

Jimmy Johnson was being touted as another college coach bust in the NFL after a 1-15 season prior to his 8-8 and then superbowl year with all kids he drafted or got at a very young age and the remainder of the roster he tool from rivals (haley, Deion, etc..)

I could go on for hours about coaches ALL OF YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED PREMATURLY!

Get a grip, Clark is going to do the right thing whether it be to keep Herm, or to let him move on.

It sure wouldnt be fair to Herm to release him after the period where coaches are being hired...shit, Eric Mangini already has a job.....

I don't want to see Herman ****ing Edwards fired because of the results of this season.

I want him fired because he's dumbass.

He's dumbass who makes the same dumbass mistakes in game management now that he made in his first season as a HC.

He's a dumbass that never takes any personal responsibility for mistakes.

He's a dumbass that, evidence would suggest, is too ****ing stupid to even recognize mistakes.

That kind of dumbass is never going to field a SB team.

cabletech94
01-11-2009, 12:39 PM
I don't want to see Herman ****ing Edwards fired because of the results of this season.

I want him fired because he's dumbass.

He's dumbass who makes the same dumbass mistakes in game management now that he made in his first season as a HC.

He's a dumbass that never takes any personal responsibility for mistakes.

He's a dumbass that, evidence would suggest, is too ****ing stupid to even recognize mistakes.

That kind of dumbass is never going to field a SB team.

You forgot to add that Herm is a Liar as well. Just addin'.

mlyonsd
01-11-2009, 12:44 PM
Edwards sees reason to be optimistic

Of course Herm's optimistic, the Lion's already broke the 0-16 mystique.

DaneMcCloud
01-11-2009, 01:20 PM
I don't want to see Herman ****ing Edwards fired because of the results of this season.

I want him fired because he's dumbass.

He's dumbass who makes the same dumbass mistakes in game management now that he made in his first season as a HC.

He's a dumbass that never takes any personal responsibility for mistakes.

He's a dumbass that, evidence would suggest, is too ****ing stupid to even recognize mistakes.

That kind of dumbass is never going to field a SB team.

QFT

DaneMcCloud
01-11-2009, 01:20 PM
You forgot to add that Herm is a Liar as well. Just addin'.

Liar?

That's a pretty strong word.

I know Herm's an idiot but when did he lie and to whom?

Buehler445
01-11-2009, 01:54 PM
good to have something positive being said about us.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/011109dnsponflrookieslede.3792d98.html



2-14 Chiefs see better days ahead

Edwards sees reason to be optimistic after getting 70 starts from rookie class


01:26 AM CST on Sunday, January 11, 2009



When coach Herman Edwards

I stopped reading at this point.

xbarretx
01-11-2009, 02:47 PM
I stopped reading at this point.

as i said earlire, i paid attention to the draft stuff and not the Herm stuff ;)

cabletech94
01-17-2009, 09:47 AM
Liar?

That's a pretty strong word.

I know Herm's an idiot but when did he lie and to whom?

Way back in the playoffs before the Colts game.
I don't have the link, but a reporter asked him if Trent struggled, would he put Huard back in.
I recall Herm saying exactly that. I will always remember this, due to the ineffectiveness of Trent. Don't get me wrong, I was, am, still am, a huge Trent Green fan. But lets face it, TG was a different player after that concussion.
Herm said he'd switch, but he didn't. I won't forget that. So I guess he lied to the media/fans/players.