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OnTheWarpath58
01-11-2009, 09:24 PM
Guys,

As we've discussed, the 2009 CP Mock will incorporate some changes from last year. We have a great group of 16 dedicated owners who will be responsible for drafting for TWO teams each. This should speed up the process and eliminate some of the problems we've had in years past.

This will be a full 7 round mock, and the anticipated starting date will be Monday, March 2nd. This ensures we get done in time for the real draft, and if for some reason we fly through it and finish early, we can always run back through the 1st and/or 2nd round armed with an extra few weeks of knowledge.

Making the assignments this early gives you the opportunity to do some homework and get an idea of your team's needs before Senior Bowl week (January 19-24) and the Combine. (February 18-24)

IF someone can present a compelling argument for how to allow owners to trade picks with other owners, AND a simple majority of owners are for it, then we may allow trades during the mock.

Any other suggestions will be subject to the same scrutiny - a good idea will be voted upon by the owners PRIOR to the day we begin. Feel free to use this thread as a sounding board for ideas, or shoot me a PM.

We will use the draft order as it stands on the day we begin, including all trades that have taken place up to that date. Once the Mock begins, any trades between NFL teams will be ignored.


Again, any questions, don't hesitate.

Have fun.


Per request, here is a copy of the Trade Value Chart:


http://i44.tinypic.com/2hhzsqx.jpg


The following trades are reflected in the draft order:

New York Jets send a 3rd round pick in 2009 to Green Bay due to Brett Favre's retirement. (The Jets receive a 7th in 2010)

The Minnesota Vikings send a 4th round pick (#118) in 2009 to Houston for Sage Rosenfels.

The Jets and Eagles have agreed to a trade that will send a 2009 fifth-round pick (#145) and a 2010 conditional pick to the Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard.

Tampa sends a 2nd (#50) round pick this year and a fifth-round selection in 2010

The Chiefs send a 2nd round pick (#34) to the Patriots for Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel.

Jon Kitna has been traded to the Cowboys, compensation undisclosed at this point.

Round 1

1 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
2 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
3 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
4 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
5 BROWNS (Sfeihc)
6 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
7 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
8 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
9 PACKERS (milkman)
10 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
11 BILLS (Mecca)
12 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
13 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
14 SAINTS (Direckshun)
15 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
16 CHARGERS (Zouk)
17 JETS (Archie Bunker)
18 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
19 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
20 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
21 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
22 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
23 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
24 FALCONS (milkman)
25 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
26 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
27 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
28 COLTS (Mecca)
29 GIANTS (Direckshun)
30 TITANS (Zouk)
31 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
32 STEELERS (Marco Polo)


Round 2


33 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
34 CHIEFS (OnTheWarpath58)
35 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
36 BROWNS (Sfeihc)
37 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
38 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
39 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
40 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
41 PACKERS (milkman)
42 BILLS (Mecca)
43 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
44 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
45 GIANTS (Direckshun)
46 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
47 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
48 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
49 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
50 BUCCANEERS (Sfeihc)
51 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
52 JETS (Archie Bunker)
53 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
54 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
55 FALCONS (milkman)
56 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
57 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
58 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
59 COLTS (Mecca)
60 GIANTS (Direckshun)
61 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
62 TITANS (Zouk)
63 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
64 STEELERS (Marco Polo)



Round 3


65 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
66 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
67 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
68 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
69 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
70 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
71 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
72 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
73 PACKERS (milkman)
74 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
75 BILLS (Mecca)
76 PACKERS (Archie Bunker)
77 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
78 CHARGERS (Zouk)
79 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
80 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
81 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
82 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
83 PACKERS (milkman)
84 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
85 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
86 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
87 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
88 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
89 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
90 FALCONS (milkman)
91 GIANTS (Direckshun)
92 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
93 COLTS (Mecca)
94 TITANS (Zouk)
95 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
96 STEELERS (Marco Polo)



Round 4


97 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
98 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
99 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
100 BROWNS (Sfeihc)
101 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
102 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
103 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
104 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
105 PACKERS (milkman)
106 BILLS (Mecca)
107 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
108 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
109 CHARGERS (Zouk)
110 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
111 JETS (Archie Bunker)
112 SAINTS (Direckshun)
113 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
114 JETS (Archie Bunker)
115 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
116 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
117 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
118 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
119 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
120 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
121 FALCONS (milkman)
122 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
123 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
124 COLTS (Mecca)
125 GIANTS (Direckshun)
126 TITANS (Zouk)
127 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
128 STEELERS (Marco Polo)


Round 5


129 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
130 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
131 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
132 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
133 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
134 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
135 FALCONS (milkman)
136 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
137 PACKERS (milkman)
138 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
139 BILLS (Mecca)
140 CHARGERS (Zouk)
141 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
142 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
143 GIANTS (Direckshun)
144 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
145 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
146 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
147 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
148 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
149 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
150 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
151 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
152 FALCONS (milkman)
153 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
154 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
155 COLTS (Mecca)
156 GIANTS (Direckshun)
157 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
158 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
159 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
160 STEELERS (Marco Polo)


Round 6


161 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
162 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
163 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
164 BROWNS (Sfeihc)
165 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
166 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
167 JAGUARS (Archie Bunker)
168 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
169 PACKERS (milkman)
170 BILLS (Mecca)
171 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
172 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
173 REDSKINS (BigChiefFan)
174 PACKERS (milkman)
175 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
176 CHARGERS (Zouk)
177 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
178 BEARS (Mr. Flopnuts)
179 LIONS (OnTheWarpath58)
180 JETS (Archie Bunker)
181 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
182 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
183 FALCONS (milkman)
184 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
185 RAVENS (DaKCMan AP)
186 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
187 GIANTS (Direckshun)
188 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
189 COLTS (Mecca)
190 TITANS (Zouk)
191 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
192 STEELERS (Marco Polo)


Round 7


193 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
194 RAMS (Mr. Flopnuts)
195 CHIEFS (Hamas Jenkins)
196 SEAHAWKS (Eazyb81)
197 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
198 BENGALS (ChiefsCountry)
199 RAIDERS (Spicy McHaggis)
200 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
201 PACKERS (milkman)
202 49ERS (DaKCMan AP)
203 BILLS (Mecca)
204 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
205 SAINTS (Direckshun)
206 TEXANS (Marco Polo)
207 CHARGERS (Zouk)
208 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
209 STEELERS (Marco Polo)
210 COWBOYS (ChiefsCountry)
211 JETS (Archie Bunker)
212 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
213 EAGLES (pestilenceaf23)
214 VIKINGS (Sfeihc)
215 DOLPHINS (Spicy McHaggis)
216 BUCCANEERS (Hamas Jenkins)
217 PATRIOTS (OnTheWarpath58)
218 BRONCOS (pestilenceaf23)
219 PANTHERS (BigChiefFan)
220 COLTS (Mecca)
221 GIANTS (Direckshun)
222 TITANS (Zouk)
223 CARDINALS (Eazyb81)
224 STEELERS (Marco Polo)

Ebolapox
01-11-2009, 09:30 PM
hmmmm... houston and pittsburgh. gonna have to bone up on both teams, I haven't a clue what they MAJORLY need.

eazyb81
01-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Good deal, I can handle Seattle and Arizona.

Hopefully Arizona loses next week so they end up with a better draft pick.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-11-2009, 10:32 PM
LMAO @ Who knows them better?

Dicky McElephant
01-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Denver and Atlanta.


Defense....defense.....defense. This should be pretty easy.

Dicky McElephant
01-11-2009, 10:52 PM
Thank God Milkman didn't get Pittsburgh again. All the Guards would be gone in the first 3 rounds.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-12-2009, 12:29 AM
I'm going to be in a god awful fucking bind with this pick.

Ebolapox
01-12-2009, 08:08 AM
I'm going to be in a god awful fucking bind with this pick.

you can do it, black jack sausage.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm going to be in a god awful fucking bind with this pick.

Drew Stanton is the future.

/Lions GM


:D

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 12:30 PM
Drew Stanton is the future.

/Lions GM


:D

I know you put a smiley there but if I was the Lions GM.....I would stick with Stanton or Orlovsky. Orlovsky didn't do THAT bad when he got a chance. They have bigger holes to fill at this time OT/DE/LB and the QB class this year isn't THAT great.

EDIT: I was kind of hoping for Detroit as my team.

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 12:40 PM
Saints will pretty much be defense, defense, defense.

The Giants will be tougher. I've seen them play a half dozen games this year and they looked as complete as any team this year when they were good.

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 01:30 PM
Saints will pretty much be defense, defense, defense.

The Giants will be tougher. I've seen them play a half dozen games this year and they looked as complete as any team this year when they were good.

I'd be looking for a replacement for Plaxico. Too bad they aren't high enough to grab Crabtree. You could just trade away your whole draft to get him. :D

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 01:46 PM
I know you put a smiley there but if I was the Lions GM.....I would stick with Stanton or Orlovsky. Orlovsky didn't do THAT bad when he got a chance. They have bigger holes to fill at this time OT/DE/LB and the QB class this year isn't THAT great.

EDIT: I was kind of hoping for Detroit as my team.

Nah, I haven't decided. I just know what Hamas was thinking:

"Motherfucker is going to take Stafford, and I'm left in no-man's land."

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Al Davis last year, Jerry Jones this year, do I get Daniel Snyder next year? :) Cincinnati will be fun, lots of directions for them.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 04:49 PM
New England has already been offered a mid-first for Matt Cassel.

ROFL


FWIW, if a majority wants trades, it would be for picks only, not players.

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 04:50 PM
Who the fuck offered you a 1st round pick for Cassel?

Sfeihc
01-12-2009, 04:51 PM
A mid-first? Sounds like a heck of a deal.:)

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 05:14 PM
My guess would be Chicago or Minnesota

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2009, 05:51 PM
I say for trades we should use this:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 06:24 PM
Yeah, I say trades are okay. We should make a stipulation that no trades for 2010 picks are welcome, either.

I will say right now that I am willing to trade down with any willing parties. I have no desire to trade up.

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 06:26 PM
Are we still going to be using the 24 hour window for each pick?

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 06:31 PM
Are we still going to be using the 24 hour window for each pick?

Yes.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 06:32 PM
Yeah, I say trades are okay. We should make a stipulation that no trades for 2010 picks are welcome, either.

I will say right now that I am willing to trade down with any willing parties. I have no desire to trade up.

Agreed.

So far, 2/16 have approved trades. (Me, Direckshun)

Dicky McElephant
01-12-2009, 06:39 PM
I'll approve trades.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 07:08 PM
We need to come up with some ground rules on how we're going to incorporate trades, then let the group vote.

What I'm afraid it might do is slow the process down.

Instead of taking a guy because it's your turn, you sit and wait out the entire 24 hours hoping for someone to PM you wanting to trade up.

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2009, 07:17 PM
I'm for trades as long as they are realstic and dont take that much time up.

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 07:37 PM
We need to come up with some ground rules on how we're going to incorporate trades, then let the group vote.

What I'm afraid it might do is slow the process down.

Instead of taking a guy because it's your turn, you sit and wait out the entire 24 hours hoping for someone to PM you wanting to trade up.

Simple. You are not allowed to make any trades nor accept any trades when you're up.

Three rules so far, it seems:

1. No trading for players, only picks.
2. All picks included in trades must be 2009 picks.
3. Trades are prohibited when it's your turn.

milkman
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
Thank God Milkman didn't get Pittsburgh again. All the Guards would be gone in the first 3 rounds.

Nah......I'm going all Centers and Corners this year.

milkman
01-12-2009, 07:50 PM
Simple. You are not allowed to make any trades nor accept any trades when you're up.

Three rules so far, it seems:

1. No trading for players, only picks.
2. All picks included in trades must be 2009 picks.
3. Trades are prohibited when it's your turn.

I think the value chart should be stickied at the top of this draft forum, and all trades should be reasonbly within the assigned values.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 08:16 PM
Simple. You are not allowed to make any trades nor accept any trades when you're up.

Three rules so far, it seems:

1. No trading for players, only picks.
2. All picks included in trades must be 2009 picks.
3. Trades are prohibited when it's your turn.

I like.

Good work.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 08:17 PM
I think the value chart should be stickied at the top of this draft forum, and all trades should be reasonbly within the assigned values.

Will do once we have 9 official yes votes to the proposal.

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 08:23 PM
all trades should be reasonbly within the assigned values.

Reasonable. 4th rule.

ChiefsCountry
01-12-2009, 08:43 PM
Simple. You are not allowed to make any trades nor accept any trades when you're up.

Three rules so far, it seems:

1. No trading for players, only picks.
2. All picks included in trades must be 2009 picks.
3. Trades are prohibited when it's your turn.

Add in the value chart and it would work fine with me.

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Add in the value chart and it would work fine with me.

Two more rules.

First, milkman's rule about reasonable value is fair. You can't have some guy who's given up just dealing his picks away for nothing.

Second, this should be fairly obvious but you can't have YOUR two teams trade with each other.

So that leaves five, up for ratification at OTW's behest:

1. No trading for players, just picks.
2. All trades must be within reasonable reach of listed value.
3. Only 2009 picks can be traded.
4. Trades are prohibited between your two teams.
5. Trades are prohibited when it's your turn.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Actual NFL trades that occur before we start the mock should take precedence over any trade that may take place between owners. Once we begin the mock however, all trades between owners are final.

Meaning:

If the Patriots and Bears swap 1st round picks, and then 10 days later the Bears trade their 1st in real life, I believe the actual NFL trade should stand.

The whole point of this is to be as realistic as possible, and there were a lot of pre-draft trades last year.

Something to consider.

milkman
01-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Will do once we have 9 official yes votes to the proposal.

Actually, I think that value chart should be stickied anyway.

It's something I've thought abour for awhile now.

I get tired looking for it all the time.

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 09:45 PM
By the way, while we're chewing on rules, I want to float out the idea of compensatory picks.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Actually, I think that value chart should be stickied anyway.

It's something I've thought abour for awhile now.

I get tired looking for it all the time.

Done.

OnTheWarpath58
01-12-2009, 09:49 PM
By the way, while we're chewing on rules, I want to float out the idea of compensatory picks.

I'm shocked it took this long.

:D

That's probably one we'll have to take a wait-and-see approach with, I know there was a guy last year that had a decent guestimate on who would get what, but I don't think it came out until late February.

If you want to be responsible for putting something together, I'll be more than happy to let the group vote on it.

Ebolapox
01-12-2009, 10:08 PM
I'm down with trades. fifth? I never refuse a fifth :p

Direckshun
01-12-2009, 10:22 PM
I'm shocked it took this long.

:D

That's probably one we'll have to take a wait-and-see approach with, I know there was a guy last year that had a decent guestimate on who would get what, but I don't think it came out until late February.

If you want to be responsible for putting something together, I'll be more than happy to let the group vote on it.

No way Jose.

I think you've got the right idea.

Sfeihc
01-13-2009, 01:48 PM
One question about trades. If a trade is deemed "unreasonable", how is that determined? One man's unreasonable is another man's Matt Millen.

OnTheWarpath58
01-13-2009, 01:56 PM
One question about trades. If a trade is deemed "unreasonable", how is that determined? One man's unreasonable is another man's Matt Millen.

I don't really see it being a problem, the 16 guys we have are pretty conscious of what is realistic, and what is not.

And since we're only trading 2009 picks, it would be pretty difficult to get too out of hand. Plus, no one is going to want to give up multiple picks in a mock, the whole point is to be involved.

Sfeihc
01-13-2009, 03:58 PM
I don't really see it being a problem, the 16 guys we have are pretty conscious of what is realistic, and what is not.

And since we're only trading 2009 picks, it would be pretty difficult to get too out of hand. Plus, no one is going to want to give up multiple picks in a mock, the whole point is to be involved.

Right-o, count me as in favor of trades. Too bad we can't trade picks for players. :D

Dicky McElephant
01-14-2009, 11:11 PM
Trades so far according to www.drafttek.com

1st round -
1)Philadelphia gets Carolina's 1st round pick (used to select Jeff Otah)
2)Detroit gets Dallas 1st round pick (Roy Williams trade)

2nd round-
1) New England gets San Diego's 2nd rounder (Jacob Hester)
2) Miami gets Washington's 2nd rounder (Jason Taylor)
3) Giants get Saints 2nd rounder (Jeremy Shockey)

3rd round-
1) Dallas gets Clevelands 3rd rounder (Martin Rucker)
2) Detroit gets Dallas' 3rd Rounder (Roy Williams)
3) Green Bay gets NY Jets 3rd Rounder (Brett Favre comp)

4th round-
1) Dallas gets Detroit 4th Rounder (Cliff Avril)
2) NYJets get Washington 4th Rounder (Pete Kendall)

5th round-
1) Atlanta gets Oakland 5th Rounder (DeAngelo Hall compensation)
2) Philadelphia gets Cleveland 5th Rounder (used to select Paul Hubbard 2008 Draft)
3) NY Giants get New Orleans 5th Rounder (Jeremy Shockey compensation)
4) Dallas gets Tennessee 5th Rounder (Adam Pacman Jones compensation)
5) Denver gets Seattle 5th Rounder (Keary Colbert compensation)

6th round-
1) Dallas gets Miami 6th Rounder (Jason Ferguson compensation)
2) Philadelphia gets Minnesota 6th Rounder (Kelly Holcomb trade)
3) Green Bay get New Orleans 6th Rounder (Adrian Arrington compensation)
4) Chicago gets Tampa Bay 6th Rounder (Brian Griese compensation)
5) Tampa Bay gets Chicago 6th Rounder (Dan Buenning compensation)
6) Detroit gets Dallas 6tht Rounder (Roy Williams compensation)

7th round-
1) Tampa Bay gets Jacksonville 7th rounder (2008 draft day trade residual)
2) Minnesota gets Washingfton 7th rounder (Erasmus James Compensation)
3) Miami gets Cleveland 7th rounder (Travis Daniels compensation)
4) Miami gets Carolina 7th Rounder (Josh McCown compensation)
5) Pittsburgh gets Tampa Bay 7th Rounder (Sean Mahan compensation)

Take it for what its worth.

Direckshun
01-15-2009, 07:51 PM
Kansas City gets New York's 2nd round pick for Tony Gonzalez.

Kansas City gets the Patriots' 4th and 6th round picks for Larry Johnson.

muahahaha

Mr. Flopnuts
01-19-2009, 09:53 PM
Trades. Sure.

unothadeal
01-20-2009, 04:49 PM
I like this way a lot better than last years 32 participant mock

mylittlepony
01-21-2009, 04:07 AM
Let me know if you need an alternate.

Zouk
01-21-2009, 03:33 PM
(OK, I gave Mecca Buffalo on purpose - who knows them better?)



I do.

From September 28th when the Bills were 4-0.


They will likely get a decent record with their weak schedule and good start, but I predict the Jets, Dolphins, and Pats will all be better teams than the Bills by December. We'll see.


Jets and Dolphins, are you nuts?
.......

What you said is just a blatant slap in the face there, that team is good, they go down to Jacksonville and win and you're gonna tell me the ****in Jets and Dolphins are better?

He was more right than me about the Chiefs though.

Dicky McElephant
01-21-2009, 03:34 PM
Hey Milkman.....wanna trade me Philly for Atlanta?

OnTheWarpath58
01-21-2009, 04:21 PM
Hey Milkman.....wanna trade me Philly for Atlanta?

For the record, I have no problem with you guys swapping teams.

All I ask is that you don't swap with anyone that will give you back-to-back picks, and that you make any swaps before the Super Bowl. Once the draft order is set, owners need to be locked to their teams.

Dicky McElephant
01-21-2009, 04:35 PM
After some thought.....here is my idea on trades. I'm not entirely sure if this would work at all but here it goes.

If trades aren't allowed during your pick then I don't see many trades happening. The whole point of wanting to trade up and down is because someone you really want has either fallen farther than you thought....or someone that you wanted isn't there anymore. I think that since we still have the 24 hour window and we have a group of guys that are pretty good at not dragging this out......my vote is that we open it up to the first 8-12 hours of your pick....you can complete a trade. Once the time limit is up though....no trades are allowed. And by time limit...I mean it has to be sent to the "commissioner" in that time window. If a trade is approved...then the new team has the remaining time out of the 24 hours to make their pick. If it is denied then the original team has the remaining time.

Any inputs?

OnTheWarpath58
01-21-2009, 04:56 PM
After some thought.....here is my idea on trades. I'm not entirely sure if this would work at all but here it goes.

If trades aren't allowed during your pick then I don't see many trades happening. The whole point of wanting to trade up and down is because someone you really want has either fallen farther than you thought....or someone that you wanted isn't there anymore. I think that since we still have the 24 hour window and we have a group of guys that are pretty good at not dragging this out......my vote is that we open it up to the first 8-12 hours of your pick....you can complete a trade. Once the time limit is up though....no trades are allowed. And by time limit...I mean it has to be sent to the "commissioner" in that time window. If a trade is approved...then the new team has the remaining time out of the 24 hours to make their pick. If it is denied then the original team has the remaining time.

Any inputs?

Here's the problem.

If for some reason I'm not around for that 8-12 hour timeframe, it fucks the process.

Also, even taking 12 hours per pick would put us at finishing in June.

I personally don't think that trades would have to be approved by me first. We could stipulate that all trades must be within a certain point range on the value chart. Meaning that the point values of the picks being traded must be within "X" points. Then the trade can just be "announced" in the thread.

I see your point about wanting to trade based on who is taken before you, or who falls - but I'm not sure how to make it work.

Dicky McElephant
01-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Here's the problem.

If for some reason I'm not around for that 8-12 hour timeframe, it fucks the process.

Also, even taking 12 hours per pick would put us at finishing in June.

I personally don't think that trades would have to be approved by me first. We could stipulate that all trades must be within a certain point range on the value chart. Meaning that the point values of the picks being traded must be within "X" points. Then the trade can just be "announced" in the thread.

I see your point about wanting to trade based on who is taken before you, or who falls - but I'm not sure how to make it work.


I would be fine with the bolded part. We could also cut it down if you want too. Say...make it so trades have to be done in the first 4 hours of your 24 hour window. That way people will start talking before their turn comes around.

milkman
01-21-2009, 06:51 PM
Hey Milkman.....wanna trade me Philly for Atlanta?

I'm curious about your reasons, and intrigued by the idea.

Talk to me.

Dicky McElephant
01-21-2009, 06:52 PM
I'm curious about your reasons, and intrigued by the idea.

Talk to me.

I don't know. I'm interested on seeing what I can do with the Eagles instead of the Falcons....for two reasons.

1. The Eagles have a lot of different holes that they need to be filled.

2. The Falcons are a young team....but they're pretty set on offensive positions. I'm already in that position with the Broncos. Drafting defense for both of my teams could get quite boring.....especially because drafting for one team could eventually end up fucking up my other teams draftboard.

I guess what I'm saying is I want more of a challenge.

OnTheWarpath58
01-21-2009, 06:53 PM
I don't know. I'm interested on seeing what I can do with the Eagles instead of the Falcons....for two reasons.

1. The Eagles have a lot of different holes that they need to be filled.

2. The Falcons are a young team....but they're pretty set on offensive positions. I'm already in that position with the Broncos.

I guess what I'm saying is I want more of a challenge.

ROFL

I call bullshit.

You want the extra 1st round pick.

:D

Dicky McElephant
01-21-2009, 06:56 PM
ROFL

I call bullshit.

You want the extra 1st round pick.

:D

That could be part of it. :D

FUCKER!

milkman
01-22-2009, 08:41 PM
That could be part of it. :D

****ER!

I'm not overly concerned with first round picks.

I'll look into it this weekend and let you know.

Dicky McElephant
01-23-2009, 08:43 AM
I'm not overly concerned with first round picks.

I'll look into it this weekend and let you know.

Alright.....if you want to....it's cool. If you don't....it's no big deal.

BigChiefFan
01-26-2009, 07:59 PM
Damn. I sure wish I would have known about this sooner.

Direckshun
01-26-2009, 09:30 PM
Holy shit... the Saints have three picks all Draft.

How am I supposed to fix this team with three picks!?!?!?!?!?

Mr. Flopnuts
01-26-2009, 09:35 PM
I do.

From September 28th when the Bills were 4-0.






He was more right than me about the Chiefs though.



LMAO OWW

OnTheWarpath58
01-26-2009, 09:38 PM
Holy shit... the Saints have three picks all Draft.

How am I supposed to fix this team with three picks!?!?!?!?!?

Better parlay that 1st round pick into some extras.

:D

Figures that 2 teams that really don't need the extra picks have the most.

(Philly - 10 and Giants - 9)

eazyb81
01-26-2009, 09:39 PM
So do we have a final verdict on trades?

Do trades have to be authorized by anyone, or should we just begin discussions and make an announcement once a trade has been completed?

OnTheWarpath58
01-26-2009, 09:46 PM
Actual NFL trades that occur before we start the mock should take precedence over any trade that may take place between owners. Once we begin the mock however, all trades between owners are final.

Meaning:

If the Patriots and Bears swap 1st round picks, and then 10 days later the Bears trade their 1st in real life, I believe the actual NFL trade should stand.

The whole point of this is to be as realistic as possible, and there were a lot of pre-draft trades last year.

Something to consider.

After some thought.....here is my idea on trades. I'm not entirely sure if this would work at all but here it goes.

If trades aren't allowed during your pick then I don't see many trades happening. The whole point of wanting to trade up and down is because someone you really want has either fallen farther than you thought....or someone that you wanted isn't there anymore. I think that since we still have the 24 hour window and we have a group of guys that are pretty good at not dragging this out......my vote is that we open it up to the first 8-12 hours of your pick....you can complete a trade. Once the time limit is up though....no trades are allowed. And by time limit...I mean it has to be sent to the "commissioner" in that time window. If a trade is approved...then the new team has the remaining time out of the 24 hours to make their pick. If it is denied then the original team has the remaining time.

Any inputs?

Here's the problem.

If for some reason I'm not around for that 8-12 hour timeframe, it fucks the process.

Also, even taking 12 hours per pick would put us at finishing in June.

I personally don't think that trades would have to be approved by me first. We could stipulate that all trades must be within a certain point range on the value chart. Meaning that the point values of the picks being traded must be within "X" points. Then the trade can just be "announced" in the thread.

I see your point about wanting to trade based on who is taken before you, or who falls - but I'm not sure how to make it work.

I would be fine with the bolded part. We could also cut it down if you want too. Say...make it so trades have to be done in the first 4 hours of your 24 hour window. That way people will start talking before their turn comes around.

So do we have a final verdict on trades?

Do trades have to be authorized by anyone, or should we just begin discussions and make an announcement once a trade has been completed?


I'd like to see some discussion on the above posts before I put it up for vote.

Not like anyone is looking to make any deals this early. We have time to get it right.

ChiefsCountry
01-26-2009, 09:47 PM
I'd like to see some discussion on the above posts before I put it up for vote.

Not like anyone is looking to make any deals this early. We have time to get it right.

Hey I am the Cowboys I might trade 3/4 of my draft for something.

DaKCMan AP
01-27-2009, 07:04 AM
The 49ers and Ravens do not ratify the trade authorization proposal.

OnTheWarpath58
01-27-2009, 04:48 PM
The 49ers and Ravens do not ratify the trade authorization proposal.

LMAO

It hasn't been proposed yet...

Still working on the details.

milkman
01-28-2009, 10:34 AM
Hey pestilence, I'm down with the Philly-Atlanta trade if you still want to do it, and it still good with the Path.

Dicky McElephant
01-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Hey pestilence, I'm down with the Philly-Atlanta trade if you still want to do it, and it still good with the Path.

Cool....I'm fine with it as long as he is.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 10:41 AM
Hey pestilence, I'm down with the Philly-Atlanta trade if you still want to do it, and it still good with the Path.

Cool....I'm fine with it as long as he is.

I'll make the switch this afternoon.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 01:50 PM
Hey pestilence, I'm down with the Philly-Atlanta trade if you still want to do it, and it still good with the Path.

Cool....I'm fine with it as long as he is.

Done.

Do me a favor and check the order in the OP, and make sure I've made all necessary changes.

Dicky McElephant
01-28-2009, 01:51 PM
Done.

Do me a favor and check the order in the OP, and make sure I've made all necessary changes.

Not a problem.....I'll check everything. Thanks.

EDIT: Everything looks good.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 01:54 PM
Not a problem.....I'll check everything. Thanks.

EDIT: Everything looks good.

You now have 19 picks in the mock, the most of any owner.

Dicky McElephant
01-28-2009, 02:00 PM
You now have 19 picks in the mock, the most of any owner.

Wheelin and Dealin!!!!!

Direckshun
01-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Eeeeeeehhh....

I'm reverting to no trades. The rules are starting to look sloshy.

Dicky McElephant
01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
Ok....so is the consensus so far...that we aren't doing trades?

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 12:07 PM
Eeeeeeehhh....

I'm reverting to no trades. The rules are starting to look sloshy.

I'm leaning that way as well.

BigChiefFan
01-29-2009, 12:39 PM
16 guys pick for all 32 teams?

Dicky McElephant
01-29-2009, 12:40 PM
16 guys pick for all 32 teams?

Yeah because last time we had 32 people picking it took forever because people wouldn't pay attention or they just failed to make their picks entirely. These 16 people are dedicated and pay attention to when it's going to be their turn.

BigChiefFan
01-29-2009, 12:45 PM
Yeah because last time we had 32 people picking it took forever because people wouldn't pay attention or they just failed to make their picks entirely. These 16 people are dedicated and pay attention to when it's going to be their turn.Fair enough, but there's some good people that were left out.

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 12:58 PM
Fair enough, but there's some good people that were left out.

*sigh*

I knew this would come up eventually, and first and foremost, let me say to those who were "left out:"

Don't take this personally.

The bottom line is this:

Last year was a fucking farce. I worked my ass off last year to make this thing run as smoothly as possible, and as realistic as possible. People disappearing, trying to find replacements, soothing people that were pissed off that they had fewer picks than someone else, etc. All under a deadline.

So I made an executive decision, with the help/advice of others to scale things back. I think you'd agree that all operations tend to run smoother when fewer, more dedicated people are involved.

I knew going into this that there were going to be some good people left out. You being one of them. Marco Polo being another.

But the line has to be drawn somewhere. There's no way to divide 32 teams equally without taking it down to 16 owners. We haven't even started yet, and I'm already disappointed because I've got one guy with 19 picks and another with only 10. And I know the right decision was made including the guy who has 10, because he hasn't bitched about it. He'll work just as hard as the guy that has 19 picks.

By all means, if someone else wants to create another mock with other folks, be my guest. You're more than welcome to use everything I post in regards to draft order, trades, etc. Even with all that being done for you, I assure you, it's a lot of work. But I enjoy the hell out of it - and hope like hell this is the best year yet.

Again, I'm sorry to those who feel left out, but I assure you - it's nothing personal.

Dicky McElephant
01-29-2009, 01:08 PM
*sigh*

I knew this would come up eventually, and first and foremost, let me say to those who were "left out:"

Don't take this personally.

The bottom line is this:

Last year was a fucking farce. I worked my ass off last year to make this thing run as smoothly as possible, and as realistic as possible. People disappearing, trying to find replacements, soothing people that were pissed off that they had fewer picks than someone else, etc. All under a deadline.

So I made an executive decision, with the help/advice of others to scale things back. I think you'd agree that all operations tend to run smoother when fewer, more dedicated people are involved.

I knew going into this that there were going to be some good people left out. You being one of them. Marco Polo being another.

But the line has to be drawn somewhere. There's no way to divide 32 teams equally without taking it down to 16 owners. We haven't even started yet, and I'm already disappointed because I've got one guy with 19 picks and another with only 10. And I know the right decision was made including the guy who has 10, because he hasn't bitched about it. He'll work just as hard as the guy that has 19 picks.

By all means, if someone else wants to create another mock with other folks, be my guest. You're more than welcome to use everything I post in regards to draft order, trades, etc. Even with all that being done for you, I assure you, it's a lot of work. But I enjoy the hell out of it - and hope like hell this is the best year yet.

Again, I'm sorry to those who feel left out, but I assure you - it's nothing personal.

You're doing a great job with what you have.

And also if anyone wants to bring up that I have 19 picks and some other people don't have as many. I'll gladly trade one of my teams for a team with lower picks. If anyone has a team with only 7 picks or less....and wants to trade for the Broncos (who have 9)....I'll gladly trade. I just wanted the Eagles because I happen to like the team.

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 01:11 PM
You're doing a great job with what you have.

And also if anyone wants to bring up that I have 19 picks and some other people don't have as many. I'll gladly trade one of my teams for a team with lower picks. If anyone has a team with only 7 picks or less....and wants to trade for the Broncos (who have 9)....I'll gladly trade. I just wanted the Eagles because I happen to like the team.

Nah, don't worry about it.

After you, it's actually pretty balanced - which is lucky on my part, because after last year, I decided I wasn't going to mess with it.

No one has less than 10 picks, and the next highest after you is 16.

13 of the 16 owners have between 12 and 16 picks.

BigChiefFan
01-29-2009, 01:33 PM
*sigh*

I knew this would come up eventually, and first and foremost, let me say to those who were "left out:"

Don't take this personally.

The bottom line is this:

Last year was a ****ing farce. I worked my ass off last year to make this thing run as smoothly as possible, and as realistic as possible. People disappearing, trying to find replacements, soothing people that were pissed off that they had fewer picks than someone else, etc. All under a deadline.

So I made an executive decision, with the help/advice of others to scale things back. I think you'd agree that all operations tend to run smoother when fewer, more dedicated people are involved.

I knew going into this that there were going to be some good people left out. You being one of them. Marco Polo being another.

But the line has to be drawn somewhere. There's no way to divide 32 teams equally without taking it down to 16 owners. We haven't even started yet, and I'm already disappointed because I've got one guy with 19 picks and another with only 10. And I know the right decision was made including the guy who has 10, because he hasn't bitched about it. He'll work just as hard as the guy that has 19 picks.

By all means, if someone else wants to create another mock with other folks, be my guest. You're more than welcome to use everything I post in regards to draft order, trades, etc. Even with all that being done for you, I assure you, it's a lot of work. But I enjoy the hell out of it - and hope like hell this is the best year yet.

Again, I'm sorry to those who feel left out, but I assure you - it's nothing personal.
Thank you for the kind words and I understand fully. I'll miss participating, but it sounds like it's a great deal of work to keep up with. I wish you all the best and again thank you for a well-thought out post and your consideration. Give 'em Hell in the draft.

eazyb81
01-31-2009, 11:00 AM
I'm leaning that way as well.

Why? Everyone was all for it at the beginning of this thread.

As long as we can only trade picks for this year's draft, I don't see what the problem is.

OnTheWarpath58
01-31-2009, 11:11 AM
Why? Everyone was all for it at the beginning of this thread.

As long as we can only trade picks for this year's draft, I don't see what the problem is.

I haven't made up my mind, but the more I think about it, the rules we have so far kinda destroy the whole reason for making trades to begin with.

Draft day trades are made because you think someone before you is going to take your target, or you don't see the value in your pick, and can move down and still get a desired player.

Making these transactions BEFORE you go on the clock defeats the whole purpose, IMO.

Like I said, if people want to, we'll do it - but I think there needs to be more discussion about it.

milkman
01-31-2009, 11:38 AM
I haven't made up my mind, but the more I think about it, the rules we have so far kinda destroy the whole reason for making trades to begin with.

Draft day trades are made because you think someone before you is going to take your target, or you don't see the value in your pick, and can move down and still get a desired player.

Making these transactions BEFORE you go on the clock defeats the whole purpose, IMO.

Like I said, if people want to, we'll do it - but I think there needs to be more discussion about it.

I'm fairly ambivalent about the idea.

I won't be looking to trade, but I have no problem with the idea of trading.

Still, I think the process would be much smoother without trades to muck things up.

eazyb81
01-31-2009, 11:58 AM
I haven't made up my mind, but the more I think about it, the rules we have so far kinda destroy the whole reason for making trades to begin with.

Draft day trades are made because you think someone before you is going to take your target, or you don't see the value in your pick, and can move down and still get a desired player.

Making these transactions BEFORE you go on the clock defeats the whole purpose, IMO.

Like I said, if people want to, we'll do it - but I think there needs to be more discussion about it.

Well, I think before we make a decision on trades, we should clarify exactly when we're starting the draft and how it will be structured.

How much time to make a pick? Is the draft going to run continuously or will we all plan to meet here at a certain time to complete a round?

If people discuss potential trades early on in the process, then hopefully we can avoid huge delays due to waiting on a trade offer. We also need to set a strict time limit to make a pick, and if they don't make it a player is assigned to them and we move on.

OnTheWarpath58
01-31-2009, 12:07 PM
Well, I think before we make a decision on trades, we should clarify exactly when we're starting the draft and how it will be structured.

How much time to make a pick? Is the draft going to run continuously or will we all plan to meet here at a certain time to complete a round?

If people discuss potential trades early on in the process, then hopefully we can avoid huge delays due to waiting on a trade offer. We also need to set a strict time limit to make a pick, and if they don't make it a player is assigned to them and we move on.

The plan is to run it the same way we've done for the past 3 years.

We start at Noon on the 1st Monday in March, and each owner has 24 hours to make their pick.

We have to average somewhere around 5 picks a day to finish before the actual draft, and we've ALWAYS finished before it.

Read through the thread from last year, it will give you an idea of how we do it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=181084&highlight=2007+mock

OnTheWarpath58
01-31-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm fairly ambivalent about the idea.

I won't be looking to trade, but I have no problem with the idea of trading.

Still, I think the process would be much smoother without trades to muck things up.

Agreed, and the biggest reason we went to 16 owners was to keep things running as smooth as possible.

DaKCMan AP
01-31-2009, 12:29 PM
Why? Everyone was all for it at the beginning of this thread.

As long as we can only trade picks for this year's draft, I don't see what the problem is.

"Everyone" was not for it.

eazyb81
01-31-2009, 12:30 PM
"Everyone" was not for it.

Okay, everyone relevant.

DaKCMan AP
01-31-2009, 12:31 PM
Okay, everyone relevant.

Fuck off.

Your irrelevant ass didn't even participate in previous years.

eazyb81
01-31-2009, 12:34 PM
**** off.

Your irrelevant ass didn't even participate in previous years.

It was a joke. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

OnTheWarpath58
01-31-2009, 12:35 PM
C'mon fellas.

We don't need this.

DaKCMan AP
01-31-2009, 12:36 PM
It was a joke. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

I'm tired from last night, annoyed by all these dickbag tourists and about to get fucking pissed if DT doesn't make the HOF. Not in a joking mood this morning..

the Talking Can
01-31-2009, 03:37 PM
this is the best thread of the year....i knew a crap load more about last year's draft just by following this thread...


looking forward to it....

ChiefsCountry
01-31-2009, 09:13 PM
this is the best thread of the year....i knew a crap load more about last year's draft just by following this thread...


looking forward to it....

Its one of the best that come out each year. Its pure real football talk which is hard to get on here alot of times.

chiefscafan
02-03-2009, 06:33 PM
aw man did you forget to include me again i've done it the last three years am I out?

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 09:16 PM
aw man did you forget to include me again i've done it the last three years am I out?

Read post 84.

chiefscafan
02-03-2009, 10:02 PM
Onthewarpath58. I understand that and it's nice what you said. However on all the years we"ve done this I've been realiable and never missed my pick. I was asked why I don't post here much anymore. I live in California so my only real way of getting latest news is by reading chiefsplanet. At the beginning it was cool then all of a sudden it became a pissing contest. Where it became an exclusive club all of a sudden. When I posted I was called a noob cause I didn't agree with them. Then got in an argument then all of a sudden I can't create threads anymore. This superiority has made me disgusted. Then I ask to get my privlidges back and no answer.

Now the one thing I enjoy still about the planet is this and now I'm told I'm once again not realiable enough cause I'm not in the most posters club.

I'm not saying this to get back in this more to state why I've not been on here as much.

I'm disapponted in this board is all and it was time to say something.

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 10:12 PM
Onthewarpath58. I understand that and it's nice what you said. However on all the years we"ve done this I've been realiable and never missed my pick. I was asked why I don't post here much anymore. I live in California so my only real way of getting latest news is by reading chiefsplanet. At the beginning it was cool then all of a sudden it became a pissing contest. Where it became an exclusive club all of a sudden. When I posted I was called a noob cause I didn't agree with them. Then got in an argument then all of a sudden I can't create threads anymore. This superiority has made me disgusted. Then I ask to get my privlidges back and no answer.

Now the one thing I enjoy still about the planet is this and now I'm told I'm once again not realiable enough cause I'm not in the most posters club.

I'm not saying this to get back in this more to state why I've not been on here as much.

I'm disapponted in this board is all and it was time to say something.

No one said anything about you not being reliable.

Listen, I think post 84 covers it. I'm not going to rehash this every time someone is upset about being left out. I'm sorry if you're pissed, I'm not sure how to make it any more clear: It's nothing personal.

If you'd like me to put you on the alternate's list, I will - you'll be 4th on the list.

Mr. Flopnuts
02-03-2009, 10:21 PM
http://images.patterntap.com/2/8/285518513488b8acd0c7cb.png

chiefscafan
02-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Ok can I ask to please have my abilities back to post threads?

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 10:27 PM
Ok can I ask to please have my abilities back to post threads?

I have nothing to do with that.

You need to speak to DaFace, Bob Dole or Morphius.

chiefscafan
02-03-2009, 10:38 PM
Ok guess I'll be alternate

chiefscafan
02-08-2009, 10:55 AM
Ok well I'm gonna be a me kiper type annalyst then that way I can still be involved. I'm not mad anymore I just thought your decisisson was a poor one. But I swear I'll give my honest opionion an unbiaseed one.

OnTheWarpath58
02-08-2009, 04:31 PM
3 weeks from tomorrow, fellas....

RustShack
02-10-2009, 11:59 AM
How does RustShack not have a team?

Dicky McElephant
02-10-2009, 12:02 PM
How does RustShack not have a team?

Post #84

Direckshun
02-16-2009, 09:40 PM
I will be out of commission March 6th and 7th, which is likely to be when my first turn is up.

So therefore I will likely forward my top 10 players the Saints want to OTW should that happen.

Just letting you folks know.

Newport_Chief
02-17-2009, 04:20 AM
I want to be a GM. Give me a fucking team!!!

Sanka
02-17-2009, 09:45 PM
I've been apart of this for 2 years, and I don't have a team!

ChiefsCountry
02-17-2009, 09:46 PM
I've been apart of this for 2 years, and I don't have a team!

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5438129&postcount=84

Sanka
02-17-2009, 09:50 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5438129&postcount=84

I'm crushed, I was really looking forward to doing the CP Mock Draft. Hopefully next season.

BigRock
02-20-2009, 12:22 PM
Sadly, due to events beyond my control, I must withdraw my name from this year's mock draft. I was going to wait until it got closer to make a decision, hoping that things would work out, but that wouldn't be fair to whoever is tabbed to replace me.

I can only hope that I will be considered for a position again in 2010. Well, if I'm still alive and all. You never know.

OnTheWarpath58
02-20-2009, 12:38 PM
Sadly, due to events beyond my control, I must withdraw my name from this year's mock draft. I was going to wait until it got closer to make a decision, hoping that things would work out, but that wouldn't be fair to whoever is tabbed to replace me.

I can only hope that I will be considered for a position again in 2010. Well, if I'm still alive and all. You never know.

Dude, don't scare us like that. You OK?

BigRock
02-20-2009, 09:26 PM
Oh, I'm fine. Just a bad joke on my part.

OnTheWarpath58
02-23-2009, 08:22 AM
One week to go, folks.

We start next Monday, March 2 @ Noon CST.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 08:34 AM
If Zouk doesn't show back up, we should just give his pick to an amalgamation of every true fan on this board.

OnTheWarpath58
02-23-2009, 10:09 AM
I'm crushed, I was really looking forward to doing the CP Mock Draft. Hopefully next season.

You're 1st alternate, so stick around.

These things never seem to run flawlessly, so there's at least a 50/50 chance you'll get a spot.

Dicky McElephant
02-23-2009, 10:18 AM
One week to go, folks.

We start next Monday, March 2 @ Noon CST.

Can't fucking wait....

OnTheWarpath58
02-23-2009, 10:20 AM
Can't fucking wait....

I'm thinking about taking Aaron Curry with the #1 pick.

ROFL

Dicky McElephant
02-23-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm thinking about taking Aaron Curry with the #1 pick.

ROFL

You asshole....I was going to trade the whole Broncos draft to move up and get him.

OnTheWarpath58
02-23-2009, 10:37 AM
You asshole....I was going to trade the whole Broncos draft to move up and get him.

LMAO

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2009, 10:43 AM
True Fans Mock
1) Aaron Curry
2) Eugene Monroe
3) Jason Smith
4) Andre Smith
5) Duke Robinson
6) Michael Oher
7) William Beatty
8) Alex Mack
9) Max Unger
10) Antonie Caldwell

Dicky McElephant
02-23-2009, 10:52 AM
True Fans Mock
1) Aaron Curry
2) Eugene Monroe
3) Jason Smith
4) Andre Smith
5) Duke Robinson
6) Michael Oher
7) William Beatty
8) Alex Mack
9) Max Unger
10) Antonie Caldwell

Not even close.

1. Aaron Curry
2. Michael Crabtree
3. Eugene Monroe
4. Brian Orakpo
5. Jason Smith
6. Andre Smith
7. Duke Robinson
8. Michael Oher
9. Chase Daniel
10. Chase Coffman

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:10 AM
True Fan Mock:
1. Trade Down (get another 1st, second, and third)
1. Trade down (get two seconds)
2. Trade down (get two thirds
2. Trade down (get a second, and a fourth)
2. Trade Down (get 3 4ths)
2. Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas.
3. Trade Down (get one seventh, and a conditional 6th because the draft chart is stupid and outdated).
3. Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU
3. Tony Fiametta, FB, Syracuse
4. Trade Down ( two fifths)
4. Herman Johnson, G, LSU
4. Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii
4. Sean Griffin, LS, Michigan
4. Lydon Murtha, T, Nebraska
5. Roger Allen, G, Mo Western
5. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
5. Trade Down (3 sixths in '10)
6. John Parker Wilson, QB, Bama
6. Brock Christopher, MLB, Missouri
7. Jeff Wolfert, K, Missouri
7. Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri

BigChiefFan
02-23-2009, 12:01 PM
True Fan Mock:
1. Trade Down (get another 1st, second, and third)
1. Trade down (get two seconds)
2. Trade down (get two thirds
2. Trade down (get a second, and a fourth)
2. Trade Down (get 3 4ths)
2. Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas.
3. Trade Down (get one seventh, and a conditional 6th because the draft chart is stupid and outdated).
3. Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU
3. Tony Fiametta, FB, Syracuse
4. Trade Down ( two fifths)
4. Herman Johnson, G, LSU
4. Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii
4. Sean Griffin, LS, Michigan
4. Lydon Murtha, T, Nebraska
5. Roger Allen, G, Mo Western
5. Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
5. Trade Down (3 sixths in '10)
6. John Parker Wilson, QB, Bama
6. Brock Christopher, MLB, Missouri
7. Jeff Wolfert, K, Missouri
7. Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri

That was classic.:thumb:

Sanka
02-23-2009, 04:02 PM
You're 1st alternate, so stick around.

These things never seem to run flawlessly, so there's at least a 50/50 chance you'll get a spot.

Thanks!

chiefscafan
02-23-2009, 08:53 PM
man as a bama fan this kills me to say but no way andre smith goes before ten now maybe even lower.

Too many red flags

Frosty
02-24-2009, 08:02 AM
If Zouk doesn't show back up, we should just give his pick to an amalgamation of every true fan on this board.

Has Zouk even been on the board since Herm was fired?

Zouk
02-25-2009, 10:54 AM
Has Zouk even been on the board since Herm was fired?

I'm here.

And the true fan thing is very tiresome. I wanted the Chiefs to take Matt Ryan last year, and posted that before the draft.

I'm posting less because I'm bored with the same old arguments and wary of the excessive secrecy of the new regime. If they want to keep me as a fan less informed then as a result I will become less interested when games aren't being played. I think the credentials of Pioli and Haley are excellent and I know they'll be successful but I wish they would realize that Belichick is great *in spite* of being a paranoid robot not because of it.

OnTheWarpath58
02-25-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm here.

Dude, you were making me nervous. Thought we'd lost you.

Another reminder guys.

We start Monday at Noon.

Sfeihc
02-25-2009, 12:25 PM
OTW, looks like the Vikes will deal a 4th rounder for Sage Rosenfels. If the trade is completed before March 2nd will it count in our draft?

OnTheWarpath58
02-25-2009, 12:28 PM
OTW, looks like the Vikes will deal a 4th rounder for Sage Rosenfels. If the trade is completed before March 2nd will it count in our draft?

Yep.

I've waited to post it until it becomes official.

There shouldn't be a many trades to effect the draft order, since teams cant consummate trades until Friday, so that only leaves the weekend.

Last year, there were a ton because of the extra week.

BigChiefFan
02-25-2009, 01:27 PM
How much time do we get in between picks? Damn, I'm ready today. LOL.

OnTheWarpath58
02-25-2009, 02:04 PM
How much time do we get in between picks? Damn, I'm ready today. LOL.

24 hours.

Same as last year.

Though, with this group, I'd expect things to go much quicker/smoother than last year.

milkman
02-25-2009, 04:13 PM
24 hours.

Same as last year.

Though, with this group, I'd expect things to go much quicker/smoother than last year.

Just remember, when I'm at work, I don't have access to the internet, and my days are usually around 12 hours.

OnTheWarpath58
02-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Just remember, when I'm at work, I don't have access to the internet, and my days are usually around 12 hours.

I remember.

As long as you're checking in daily, you'll be fine. And you can always PM me your pick if you think you may be short on time.

milkman
02-25-2009, 04:30 PM
I remember.

As long as you're checking in daily, you'll be fine. And you can always PM me your pick if you think you may be short on time.

Already a part of the plan.

OnTheWarpath58
02-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Already a part of the plan.

And if for some reason you miss a pick, I'm perfectly comfortable on picking the highest rated guard on the board for you.

:D

milkman
02-25-2009, 04:36 PM
And if for some reason you miss a pick, I'm perfectly comfortable on picking the highest rated guard on the board for you.

:D

LMAO

Bastard!

Dicky McElephant
02-25-2009, 05:45 PM
And if for some reason you miss a pick, I'm perfectly comfortable on picking the highest rated guard on the board for you.

:D

FWIW....he doesn't want Guards this year.

Nah......I'm going all Centers and Corners this year.

Sfeihc
03-01-2009, 09:46 AM
OTW, I know you remember my offer for Cassel. I know some questioned it but it wasn't that far from the actual deal(12 spots and Vrabel).
It seems that reality has altered the number of draft picks for both of my teams.
Minny is minus the 4th for Sage and Cleveland picked up Tampa's second round pick for The Soldier. Good times.
I don't need to "fix" the qb problem in Minny and now I have 3 picks in the first two rounds to turn the Brown frown upside down.

OnTheWarpath58
03-01-2009, 10:05 AM
OTW, I know you remember my offer for Cassel. I know some questioned it but it wasn't that far from the actual deal(12 spots and Vrabel).
It seems that reality has altered the number of draft picks for both of my teams.
Minny is minus the 4th for Sage and Cleveland picked up Tampa's second round pick for The Soldier. Good times.
I don't need to "fix" the qb problem in Minny and now I have 3 picks in the first two rounds to turn the Brown frown upside down.

Speaking of the Tampa/Winslow trade, has anyone seen anything official, or is it just speculation that it's a 2nd?

Help a brotha out.

Sfeihc
03-01-2009, 10:08 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef91c4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
CLEVELAND -- The spectacular moments were too few. The headaches, too many. Kellen Winslow's five-year run with the Cleveland Browns, a succession of stops, starts and setbacks, is finally over.

Cleveland traded the talented and troublesome former Pro Bowl tight end to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Friday in exchange for draft picks new coach Eric Mangini can use to begin rebuilding the disappointing Browns following a calamitous 2008 season.
Fantasy spin: Winslow to Bucs
While injuries are a concern, Kellen Winslow should still be seen as one of the better tight ends in fantasy football. Michael Fabiano explains why in his fantasy football blog. More ...

The Browns received a second-round pick this year and a fifth-round selection in 2010 for Winslow, whose stay in Cleveland was marked by brilliance, injuries and controversy.

An All-American at Miami, where his infamous postgame "I'm a soldier" rant shaped outside opinion of him, Winslow missed most of his first two NFL seasons with injuries. He nearly killed himself in a motorcycle accident, but came back and showed flashes of fulfilling his Hall of Fame pedigree.

Winslow squabbled with Cleveland's front office this past season. He was almost always hurt, but he almost always played.

Back in Florida, he's ready for a new beginning.

"Cleveland was great to me," he said in Tampa. "I had a great time playing with Braylon Edwards, Brady Quinn. I'm going to miss those guys. But it's also a new opportunity. I've played with some of the guys on this team - Jeff Faine, Antonio Bryant, Luke McCown. I'm as happy as can be. I'm healthy."

Winslow will be reunited in Tampa with Alfredo Roberts, his tights ends coach in Cleveland the past two seasons.

With the Browns, Winslow had 219 catches for 2,459 yards and 11 touchdowns. He matched Hall of Famer Ozzie Newsome's club record with 89 receptions in 2006 and made 82 in 2007, earning him a Pro Bowl spot. He played in 44 games, but he missed 36 because of injuries.

There had been speculation that Cleveland's new management team of Mangini and general manager George Kokinis would deal Winslow for draft picks -- the Browns only had four in the '09 draft before the deal -- so it was not completely surprising they cut ties with the 25-year-old in a blockbuster move on the first day of free agency.

"The Cleveland Browns thank Kellen for his contributions to this organization over the past five years," Kokinis said in a statement. "We appreciate his passion for the game and wish him success in Tampa Bay. The draft picks we have obtained through this deal will give us greater flexibility as we look to infuse more talent and create competition and depth on this football team."
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Winslow's acquisition continues a busy week for the Buccaneers. Tampa Bay cut linebacker Derrick Brooks, an 11-time Pro Bowler and former NFL Defensive Player of the Year; wide receivers Joey Galloway and Ike Hilliard; running back Warrick Dunn; and linebacker Cato June in moves to save more than $10 million in salary cap space.

Winslow gives Tampa Bay a versatile offensive weapon. His size and speed make him difficult to defend, but it's unclear who will throw him the ball. Jeff Garcia is not expected to be re-signed, which currently leaves only Brian Griese and Luke McCown -- drafted by the Browns the same year as Winslow -- to battle it out for the starting job.

Winslow said he hasn't had a chance to speak with Tampa Bay's coaching staff about his role in the offense.

"We haven't gotten that far yet," he said. "I'm sure they'll find a way, though."

Winslow has never lacked confidence. The 6-foot-4, 250-pounder, who before his injuries and multiple knee operations could outrun most defensive backs, was arguably the most talented player on Cleveland's roster. But while he showed uncanny toughness and played through pain, Winslow was often a distraction.

The Browns traded their first-round pick in 2004 and a second rounder to Detroit to move up and select Winslow sixth overall. He broke his leg in just his second game while recovering an onsides kick and missed the remainder of his rookie season. He was rehabbing from the injury when he crashed his high-powered motorcycle while doing stunts in a parking lot.

Winslow was lucky to survive the wreck, suffering serious internal injuries and tearing a ligament in his right knee. He contracted a staph infection in the knee and had to undergo several clean-out procedures. Once healthy he produced, but following the '07 season, he hired agent Drew Rosenhaus and asked for a new contract.

The Browns appeared to be making plans for a future without Winslow when they drafted Martin Rucker in the fourth round last season.

Winslow's relationship with the team hit a low when he feuded publicly with former Cleveland GM Phil Savage in October.
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Winslow was hospitalized for two days with an "undisclosed illness" and after being released he accused the club, which has had several players contract staph in recent years, of trying to hide his illness. Savage suspended him one game for making disparaging remarks about the team, but the penalty was later rescinded when it was learned that a team employee had sent Winslow e-mails urging him not to reveal the infection.

Winslow told Tampa reporters he is misunderstood.

"People don't really know me yet," he said. "Everybody makes mistakes, and the mistake I made was when I was 19 years old -- I'm 25 now -- was on national television. Everybody got to see it. I stand here before you now, I think I'm a changed man."

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

OnTheWarpath58
03-01-2009, 10:09 AM
Thanks.

I was just at nfl.com and looked right past it, I guess.

Sorry Hamas.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-01-2009, 10:28 AM
Thanks.

I was just at nfl.com and looked right past it, I guess.

Sorry Hamas.

It's not like I don't have 200 other reasons to be pissed right now.

Throw another log on the fire, I don't give a fuck.

eazyb81
03-01-2009, 10:44 AM
Damn, one day away. I never thought it would get here.

Sfeihc
03-01-2009, 12:09 PM
The 5th pick is on the table, make me an offer I can't refuse.

eazyb81
03-01-2009, 12:12 PM
The 5th pick is on the table, make me an offer I can't refuse.

we can't trade picks.

Sfeihc
03-01-2009, 05:44 PM
we can't trade picks.

Oops, thanks for the update.:)

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 06:31 PM
The 5th pick is on the table, make me an offer I can't refuse.

Give me your 5th and I won't slam your dick in a drawer.

eazyb81
03-01-2009, 08:20 PM
So what time are starting tomorrow?

Is it safe to say that OTW is now ON THE CLOCK????

ChiefsCountry
03-01-2009, 08:29 PM
So what time are starting tomorrow?

Is it safe to say that OTW is now ON THE CLOCK????

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5517986&postcount=122

OnTheWarpath58
03-01-2009, 08:45 PM
So what time are starting tomorrow?

Is it safe to say that OTW is now ON THE CLOCK????

I go on the clock @ Noon tomorrow.

I'll post a new thread around 11:00 am with rules and such.

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 09:21 PM
OTW is picking Crabtree.

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 09:55 PM
By the way...

LET'S

GET

IT

ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

FELLAS.

I WILL MAKE YOU ALL MY BITCHES.

I WILL HIT ON EVERY MID-CONFERENCE NO-NAME.

I WILL EMBARRASS YOU ALL WITH MY VALUE.

I WILL RECONFIGURE POSITIONAL WORTH.

NOBODY

AND I MEAN NOBODY

CAN BUILD A TEAM LIKE ME.

IT IS TIME

FOR PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 10:03 PM
My top five prospects right now:

1. QB Mark Sanchez, USC
2. OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia Tech
3. QB Matt Stafford, Georgia
4. OLB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
5. OT Jason Smith, Baylor

ChiefsCountry
03-01-2009, 10:05 PM
My top five prospects right now:

1. QB Mark Sanchez, USC
2. OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia Tech
3. QB Matt Stafford, Georgia
4. OLB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
5. OT Jason Smith, Baylor

Too bad for the Chiefs none of those work now.

DaKCMan AP
03-01-2009, 10:09 PM
My top five prospects right now:

1. QB Mark Sanchez, USC
2. OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia Tech
3. QB Matt Stafford, Georgia
4. OLB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
5. OT Jason Smith, Baylor

Are we going to have to withstand this through the entirety of the mock?

Sfeihc
03-01-2009, 10:13 PM
Thanks for the offer D but I'll have to pass.

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 10:23 PM
Are we going to have to withstand this through the entirety of the mock?

If you're bad.

DaKCMan AP
03-01-2009, 10:24 PM
If you're bad.

I'm awesomely bad.

Direckshun
03-01-2009, 10:28 PM
I'm awesomely bad.

Top five places I want to kick you:

1. The head.
2. The head.
3. The head.
4. The head.
5. The head.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-02-2009, 07:38 AM
Top five places I want to kick you:

1. The head.
2. The head.
3. The head.
4. The head.
5. The head.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2v8n8sj.gif

OnTheWarpath58
03-02-2009, 08:01 AM
4 hours and counting.

Sfeihc
03-02-2009, 08:06 AM
4 hours and counting.

Darn, Central time. Oh well, what's another hour? :)