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Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:22 PM
Amidst this blessed day there's one more way to make it even more grand.

ROCK, CHALK, JAYHAWK.

KU by +7.

Lets keep this home streak going, fellas.

DeezNutz
01-13-2009, 05:22 PM
What channel is the Big 12 network?

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:23 PM
I don't know where you're at Deez, but it's channel 5 here in Wichita.

DeezNutz
01-13-2009, 05:24 PM
I don't know where you're at Deez, but it's channel 5 here in Wichita.

Is this affiliated with CBS, NBC, ABC? It is, isn't it?

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:26 PM
Wait, I lied. It's channel 6 here in Wichita.


I assume they're affiliated with one of those stations.

Sorry for not being very informative, lol.

DeezNutz
01-13-2009, 05:27 PM
Wait, I lied. It's channel 6 here in Wichita.


I assume they're affiliated with one of those stations.

Sorry for not being very informative, lol.

Thanks!

Bearcat
01-13-2009, 05:27 PM
Is this affiliated with CBS, NBC, ABC? It is, isn't it?

It's on KMCI (channel 8 on TWC) in Kansas City, out of Lawrence; and it's not a CBS/ABC/NBC affiliate.

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Thanks Bear.

kstater
01-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Anyone know of a stream?

kstater
01-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I fully expect KU to win tonight. I just want to see more of the D intensity that I saw Saturday.

Rigodan
01-13-2009, 05:31 PM
What time does it start?

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:31 PM
Kstater,

I don't know much about your team this year.

Care to share some information on them?

Best player?

And is Pullen still a punk bitch? :)

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:31 PM
What time does it start?

7pm CST, sir.

kstater
01-13-2009, 05:34 PM
Kstater,

I don't know much about your team this year.

Care to share some information on them?

Best player?

And is Pullen still a punk bitch? :)

Fast, intense D, Pullen's probably the best. Played OU really well for most of the game, just couldn't shoot in the second half. Watch Clemente, he's the fastest guy I've seen on a court in a really long time. Not much inside presence.

Ceej
01-13-2009, 05:35 PM
I was just about to ask about your inside presence.

Memory escapes me, but I thought Blake Griffin had a pretty big game against you guys. Hopefully Cole can stay out of foul trouble and do something similar to what Griffin did.

kstater
01-13-2009, 05:36 PM
I was just about to ask about your inside presence.

Memory escapes me, but I thought Blake Griffin had a pretty big game against you guys. Hopefully Cole can stay out of foul trouble and do something similar to what Griffin did.

Yeah, but that was part of the gameplan. Martin let the Griffen brothers get theirs but focused on the rest of the team. Up until like 2 minutes left in the first half, no one other than the Griffen's had scored. KSU led most of that time.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 05:37 PM
A win tonight would be nice.

Archie F. Swin
01-13-2009, 05:43 PM
Y'all see OU's Blake Griffin last night? Kids got the goods!

luv
01-13-2009, 05:56 PM
Y'all see OU's Blake Griffin last night? Kids got the goods!

Have you turned on ESPN lately?

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 06:05 PM
The only thing I can guarantee is Djay23 will whine like a broke dick dog about the refs if KU is down by any significant margin.

Other than that, I see KU winning by 12 points or so.

chiefqueen
01-13-2009, 06:19 PM
BIG 12 Network means it's professionally produced & not a Metrosports (Jayhawk TV) production.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 06:53 PM
Anybody know if it is on Directv? If so what channel? If not, I blame K-State.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:04 PM
If you get ESPN360 its on there, that's what I'm having to do tonight.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:06 PM
Little is starting.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:07 PM
Game over.

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:07 PM
Why does it look like Frank Martin's suit is about 4 sizes too big???

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:08 PM
Why does it look like Frank Martin's suit is about 4 sizes too big???

Are you a fashionable male?

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 07:09 PM
KU-9
KSU-0

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:09 PM
Nice start. 9-0.

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:09 PM
Are you a fashionable male?

Nah, just know a dork when I see one.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:10 PM
I'm surprised to see Little starting.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:10 PM
Aldrich dominating, 9-0.

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 07:10 PM
little starting in place of morris


cuz morris still plays stupid

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:10 PM
Nice play.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:10 PM
11-0

ROFL

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:11 PM
How tall is Little?

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 07:11 PM
631 DirecTV

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:11 PM
Nah, just know a dork when I see one.
Helps when you see one in the mirror every morning, and every time you look at the ceiling to fap...

Ceej
01-13-2009, 07:12 PM
I hope the decision to not redshirt Little plays dividends.

If he stays healthy, I think it will.

Good start.

How is Darren Kent on scholarship? lol.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:12 PM
Little is 6'5".

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:12 PM
How is Darren Kent on scholarship? lol.

Jim Wooldridge.

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Helps when you see one in the mirror every morning, and every time you look at the ceiling to fap...

I know you are but what I? Thanks for taking me back to junior high.

Bearcat
01-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Helps when you see one in the mirror every morning, and every time you look at the ceiling to fap...

Not sure which is worse, 0-11 or this... LMAO

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:14 PM
Not sure which is worse, 0-11 or this... LMAO

How about Billy Mays advertising ESPN360?

doomy3
01-13-2009, 07:14 PM
nice start:clap:

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:14 PM
631 DirecTV

OK, I don't get 631. Hopefully I won't need it.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:16 PM
Good call by Self starting Little, get him into the flow as soon as possible if that's what he was recruited for.

-HH

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm trying to figure out what Self is trying to do by starting Little. I don't have a problem with it but the guy has done NOTHING during games thus far. We will see.

Craqhead
01-13-2009, 07:16 PM
Good start. Not even 5 mins in and up 11-0.

I really thought Little was gonna redshirt and have 2 full years of playing time starting next year.

Seems he's brought some energy too the team... or could it be the start of the Big 12, added that its K-State.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:17 PM
Hoping we score by the 10:00 mark.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
18-0

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
Well, at least we are starting to defend. It isn't helping though.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
I'm trying to figure out what Self is trying to do by starting Little. I don't have a problem with it but the guy has done NOTHING during games thus far. We will see.

He recruited him to start, needs him to start. Its a challenge move to Little, Self wants to see how he responds.

-HH

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
Damn Hawks!

doomy3
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
ROFLROFL

Bearcat
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
Wow. LMAO

kstater
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
Employing the ole rope a dope tonight aren't we?

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
Hoping we score by the 10:00 mark.

There you go getting greedy

Ceej
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
What Little has and may bring to the team is the hustle stuff.

The stuff you don't see in the boxscore.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
There you go getting greedy

On the board!!

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
18-0

Wow, I got quite the delay on ESPN360! Sorry if my posts are a bit behind!

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:20 PM
What Little has and may bring to the team is the hustle stuff.

The stuff you don't see in the boxscore.

What kind of tard are you? How many minutes has this kid played?

Ceej
01-13-2009, 07:21 PM
Are you a KU fan?

Have you watched any KU games before this one?

Honestly...

The kid hasn't shown his ability to score just yet. But, he's a hustle player.

Obviously you wouldn't know that.

But, I'd be butthurt too losing 18-3.

Ari Chi3fs
01-13-2009, 07:22 PM
little different without Beasley, eh? Bwaha ha

Ceej
01-13-2009, 07:22 PM
Christian Moody > Darren Kent.

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:23 PM
KSU looks shell shocked right now. I think they will come out of it sooner or later.

PHOG
01-13-2009, 07:23 PM
OK, I don't get 631. Hopefully I won't need it.

Do you get FoxSportsNET? I'm watching on Dish, but it's on MASN off the FSN.

MASN= Metro Atlantic SPORTS Net ???? :shrug:

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:23 PM
little different without Beasley, eh? Bwaha ha

We lost by quite a bit @Lawrence last year too.

Fish
01-13-2009, 07:23 PM
Frank Martin better start grunting and swearing..... LMAO

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:24 PM
KSU looks shell shocked right now. I think they will come out of it sooner or later.

They are still a pretty young team overall, just like KU. This sort of thing happens on the road with marginal talent and young players.

Silock
01-13-2009, 07:25 PM
D
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... in the first half. Let's see what the second half collapse brings.

BigVE
01-13-2009, 07:26 PM
They are still a pretty young team overall, just like KU. This sort of thing happens on the road with marginal talent and young players.


Yeah, like KU @ MSU not too long ago.

WilliamTheIrish
01-13-2009, 07:26 PM
I remember when we scored 8 first half points against OSU in 92(?). Maybe we can get to double digits here.

jidar
01-13-2009, 07:26 PM
lol. Im making money on this game so long as the Hawks win by 6 or more

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:29 PM
Man, our guys are weak.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 07:31 PM
That was a beauty by Little. Nice shot.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:31 PM
We played decent there for 2:30 minutes.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:32 PM
Morningstar needed to teardrop that one...

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:32 PM
That's supposedly his shot, the turnaround.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:32 PM
D
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... in the first half. Let's see what the second half collapse brings.
Yep. KU has trouble maintaining leads.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:34 PM
Striking distance, within 12!!

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:34 PM
Nice TO Self.....

kstater
01-13-2009, 07:34 PM
PBJ
Into double digits.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:35 PM
That poster was funny!

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:35 PM
Uh oh.....

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:37 PM
Uh oh.....
Don't worry, bro.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:39 PM
Frank Martin scares me....

I keep thinking at any moment he will pull out an uzi and just start spraying....

Silock
01-13-2009, 07:40 PM
Frank Martin scares me....

I keep thinking at any moment he will pull out an uzi and just start spraying....

Don't worry-
Just like his team, he won't hit anything.

Fish
01-13-2009, 07:41 PM
Frank Martin scares me....

I keep thinking at any moment he will pull out an uzi and just start spraying....

I'm not sure that he's smart enough to operate an uzi... he may club someone to death with it though......

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:43 PM
Score?

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:43 PM
I'm not sure that he's smart enough to operate an uzi... he may club someone to death with it though......

Looks like he is ready to execute a mob hit...

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:43 PM
Looks like he is ready to execute a mob hit...

Word on the street is he is opening a restaurant in Aggieville, which will just be a front for the mob.

PHOG
01-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Score?

30-17, alittle over 4 minutes left in the half..

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Looks like he is ready to execute a mob hit...

I doubt the mob would trust him to make a hit.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:44 PM
Word on the street is he is opening a restaurant in Aggieville, which will just be a front for the mob.

:eek:

Little Manhattan?

kstater
01-13-2009, 07:45 PM
Frank Martin scares me....

I keep thinking at any moment he will pull out an uzi and just start spraying....

MANHATTAN, Kan. | The Kansas State players file into their locker room during halftime seven days before the start of Big 12 play, laughing, slapping each other’s backs, soaking in the good feelings of an 18-point lead over another easy opponent.

Jacob Pullen lounges in his black padded chair, talking to the guys around him. Ron Anderson smiles and towels himself off. Dominique Sutton stretches his legs and stares into space.

A muted flat-screen flashes highlights from other basketball games. Bananas and Rice Krispies Treats go untouched on a table near Gatorade coolers filled with water. Low-level staff members and VIPs rest in comfortable leather couches and love seats, one of which bares a looping signature that reads “Michael Beasley.”

Here, deep inside the world of a basketball team that carries itself with a chip on its shoulder — in cramped quarters that smell like sweat and competition but feel safe because outsiders are rarely allowed in — the players settle into the comforting vibe of a game going well.

Then Frank Martin walks in.

Pullen stops talking. Anderson stops smiling. Sutton pulls his legs in, sits up straight and looks intently at his coach.

The comforting vibe has suddenly turned scary.

Martin is a 42-year-old man known for going ballistic on the sidelines, particularly during a game at Oregon earlier this year when the cameras honed in on him. He’s the guy who, throughout the first half of this game, let the F-words fly, got so angry his hands shook, and then would calmly walk to the player who’d pushed him over the edge and talk him through what to do next.

By Martin’s own admission, people see him as a maniac.

Now here he is, sitting in a chair near the dry-erase board, his eyes searing into his players, his cheeks twitching, the explosion moments away. They missed too many free throws in the first half. It’s coming.

Martin says nothing. The players say nothing. Thirty seconds pass … Then one minute … Then another minute … Three minutes.

And then…. He begins to whisper.

“If we run Seminole,” he breathes, standing and going to the board, where he begins to draw out the play, “the ball’s here, the guy that screens over here …”

This is the Frank Martin most people don’t see — the one talking in hushed tones to his players about fighting through screens, knowing their assignments, staying focused.

“Yo, we’ve guarded halfway decent now,” Martin says, still whispering, and you can feel the relief in the room as the players relax. “We got on the offensive glass at the end of the first half, but we didn’t in the early part. Against their zone …”

These are interesting times for Kansas State and its basketball program. Two years ago was The Bob Huggins Experience, when a big-name coach gave the Wildcats instant credibility before bolting for West Virginia after just one season. Last year was the Michael Beasley Show, a season under the spotlight of a freshman phenom who became the second pick in the NBA draft.

And with a promising cadre of recruits on their way, 2010 and beyond just might turn out to be the turning of the tide for the Wildcats.

But first there’s 2009. This is the Year of Frank Martin — a season about coaching, about feeling misunderstood and underestimated, about whether a former high school coach can mold a group of young players into winners, particularly now, in this locker room, with the Big 12 season fast approaching
Martin is still teaching as the second half grows closer. Sitting back down, he implores his guys to make free throws.

“I sit there and watch you guys, and when you shoot 100 they tell me what you make,” he said, “so I know you make them.”

Martin has held them rapt with anger. He has baffled them with calmness. Now he’s going to coach them with a little humor, so he starts telling a story from his days in Cincinnati. During a practice, ever single player had to make a free throw or everyone ran, but there was one guy who got credit if he just made it look like a shot and the ball somehow touched the rim …

His players start to laugh.

“It’s the truth, the ol’ boy had broke-ass s—!” he says, and his guys are really laughing hard now. They’re ready to play for this guy.

“One thing I will tell you about him, though. He’s in the NFL now as a linebacker. OK, let’s go!”

Martin gathers his team around him.

“TEAM!” Martin screams.

“ONE-TWO-THREE TEAM!” they scream back at him.

Now they’re all maniacs, all fired up, clapping their hands, together. Them against the world, they run back toward the court.

• • •

Frank Martin likes to say three things. In the course of four days, he’ll say each of them at least a dozen times. They speak to how he views himself, how he thinks the world views him, and how important it is to him that he teach his basketball players how to play rather than merely rolling the ball to them and saying “Go.”

Those three things are:

•1. “You understand?” He literally says this almost 100 times a day to his players. About screens: “You understand?” About their assignments: “You understand?” About why he gets on them in practice: “You understand?” About why he gets on them in games with the world watching: “You understand?” Those two words are the punctuation to nearly ever statement he makes to them. It’s his way of being a teacher as much as a coach. He wants them to get it.

•2. “This coaching thing isn’t as hard as we make it out to be. But it’s not as easy as other people think.” It’s his way of saying: If the world would cut us some slack, we might cut it some, too.

•3. “People like to say I’m a high school coach, like it’s some kind of insult. That’s fine. They can say that all they want. I’m glad, because I am a high school coach. All that means is you’re a teacher.”

It is not an understatement to say this is a basketball team that feels not wholly respected. The players might have liked Michael Beasley, but there is a quiet and certain air about them that says they like the chance to show they can win without him even more. The head and assistant coaches certainly adore Bob Huggins, but you can feel in their long hours of preparation the hope they can take what he taught them and succeed without him.

Nobody thinks that a Martin-coached team without Beasley can repeat the feat the Wildcats accomplished last year, when they won their first NCAA Tournament game in two decades. Never mind that Martin and many of the same players return a year wiser.

So minus the NBA superstar-in-waiting, minus the rock-star coach, this is a team made of tough guys. That’s why they D-up. They buy into a coach who flings anger at them like chunks of fresh meat. Before every game, as they leave their locker room, strength and conditioning coach Scott Greenawalt — a very nice, very scary looking man — punches each player fiercely in the chest, a ritual of pain and toughness and togetherness Yes, these guys have something to prove.

“I’m going to keep doing what I’m doing, which is coaching, which is teaching,” Martin says. “I’m a coach. And when they get rid of me I’ll crawl back under the rock I came from.”

• • •

Frank Martin is very, very unhappy.

His face is so flushed it’s almost as purple as his shirt and tie. His cheeks throb. He’s put his bottle of Diet Pepsi away, which is not a good sign.

Oh, and his team’s up big.

“(Jeez), What are you doing?”

“Get Jamar out of the game!”

“I don’t know how to make you — — understand!”

Then, on a breakaway, sophomore Dominique Sutton dribbles toward the other team’s bench before cutting in for a powerhouse windmill dunk … that he misses. He’s fouled. He misses the first free throw.

“So he does a banana play trying to look good instead of just putting it in, and now on a breakaway we have missed points,” Martin says to the guys on the bench. “You understand?”

Yes, they nod, We do.

A few plays later, Sutton misses a layup.

Oh, boy.

Martin pulls out his talented 6-foot-5 forward and gets inches from his face. He’s screaming now.

“YOU HAVE A BREAKAWAY AND YOU DRIBBLE TO THE SIDELINES SO YOU CAN DUNK AND LOOK GOOD FOR THE CAMERAS!”

Sutton is staring at the ground. Frank Martin might actually explode.

“THEN YOU COME BACK DOWN AND MISS A LAYUP! PLAY AND CARE TO HELP YOUR TEAM WIN!”

He’s like this with everyone — screaming, berating them in front of their teammates, pulling them out of games every time they make a mistake egregious enough to trigger his wrath.

After getting the worst of Martin for 10 minutes for failing to make a pass, senior Darren Kent tries to come out of the game. The flu’s been going around — in about 30 minutes, he’ll get sick behind the bench — and right now he wants out.

“Give me a cup!” he yells to his teammates during a stop in play. “I think I’m going to throw up!”

Martin walks over. Kent braces himself. Calmly, kindly even, Martin tells the 6-11 forward he’s staying in the game: “DK, you’re staying in. Stay in. You’re not coming out after that (crap). Every time you screw up you want to come out. Every time. Do it right and then you can come out.”

Kent looks stricken. He looks crushed. But he goes back out there … and on the next play dives for a loose ball. Then he finds an open man — passing the ball, correcting the thing that got him in trouble in the first place — for an assist on a three-pointer.

People will watch these outbursts and tell you Martin is crazy. They’ll tell you he’s out of control. They’ll tell you it shows he can’t coach. Thing is, his team buys into it, even if no one else does.

During this game’s first half, Martin goes ballistic on players, pulling them out of the game for very specific things, 10 times. In all but one case, they do the right thing the next time they’re in — hitting a big shot, fighting for a rebound, running the play properly, merely playing defense or showing some heart.

Whether that translates into wins …

Martin’s yelling again, this time at sophomore forward Ron Anderson, despite the fact K-State is up by 23 points. Anderson can’t hide the frustration — he makes a face that says, “Whatever.”
Not a good idea.

“You’re out!” Martin screams. “Sit! Sit!”

“Coach.”

“I have no patience for you. None! None!”

“Coach.”

“You can learn to play on your own!”

Anderson stops trying. He sits on the bench, befuddled. Martin’s a few chairs down, his face purple again, his cheeks doing palpitations.

Pullen, the Wildcats’ sophomore point guard, leans in.

“Man,” he says to Anderson, “he can see you make that face out there. He can see it.”

“I …”

“He can see for himself if you’re disrespectful.”

“I did what …”

“He can see you.”

The message: Respect the man. He’s our coach.

• • •

Frank Martin stands in the kitchen of his home, chopping vegetables, his wife, Anya, sitting at the table behind him. Marinated chicken simmers on the stove as the smell of Cuban food fills the room. The house is small and tidy and stacked with toys — princesses and rubber ducks and cartoons on the television. There are three bedrooms, a kitchen, a dining room and a living room. His two young children run through the house, screaming and laughing.

It really does look like the home of a high school basketball coach.

“Brandon! It’s time to go, buddy!”

Martin’s 9-year-old son has been visiting for the holidays from Miami, where he lives with his mother. He’s a shy, bright, happy little boy who’s spent his time here walking around Bramlage, watching proudly as his father coached.

Now it’s time to leave.

Martin grabs his son’s bags and slides behind the wheel of his black Yukon Denali. Brandon sits next to him. They pull out of the driveway, neither saying much for the first few minutes. This is not easy.

“My own dad left when I was younger and was a piece of crap,” Martin says. “It was always so important to me to be a dad. To do it right. So this is hard — he’s in Miami with his mom, and she’s a great mother, but to be away from him …”

It’s hard on Brandon, too. He says little on the two-hour drive to Kansas City.

“Now, you need to read that Obama book, you understand?”

Brandon nods. It’s his homework assignment to read about a successful African-American. Dad helped pick out the book.

“OK, Brandon,” Martin says. “So read some on the plane buddy, OK? Then when you get home, when you go to bed, lay down and read a little more, OK?”

Martin is tender, and it’s a jarring change from the man you see on television. He’s the same way toward his players when they’re not around, so much so it might shock them if they could hear his words. Some of the very guys he was hardest on at practice throughout the week — and boy, is he hard on them at practice — are those he praises as his SUV whips down I-70.

He knows this year is important, for them and for him. He knows they’re in it together.

“Two years ago we had a rock star in Hugs,” he says quietly, because Brandon’s fallen asleep in the front seat. “And last year with Mike was the circus. This year …”

He doesn’t finish. He doesn’t have to. This year he either proves the naysayers wrong. Or he doesn’t.

Martin pulls into Kansas City International Airport, parks the car and unloads his son’s bags.

People recognize him despite the dark sunglasses and leather coat. They whisper his name as he stands in the cold and checks his son in at the curb. But unlike in Manhattan, no one approaches.

“People think I’m the crazy, scary, maniac coach, so they kind of stay back,” he says with a laugh.

He and Brandon disappear into the gate. He’s gone for an hour, long enough that the crowded terminal has thinned to the point of being empty. When he reappears he’s alone, walking slowly, his head bent down.

“That was so hard,” he says quietly.

Back on the road, you want to ask if his temper and passion and sideline antics might alienate his players. But before you do he hands you his Blackberry, glowing in the dark of the Denali, the text messages speaking for themselves.

From junior guard Chris Merriewether, who’d gotten some of the worst of it from Martin: “Bad game from me today. It’s behind me now so I am focused on winning the next one.”

From Anderson: “I apologize for the look I gave u. I was upset with myself and don’t want u to think I was talking back to you.”

Martin drives on, quiet for a long time, steering west on I-70 toward Manhattan, past a K-State billboard that shows his face and a group of players, crowding together, faceless, their backs turned — a team.

“I love these guys,” he says.

• • •

Twenty hours before the start of Big 12 play, before sixth-ranked Oklahoma goes on to beat K-State 61-53, Frank Martin sits at a table in Garozzo’s Ristorante in downtown Kansas City with assistant coach Brad Underwood and each of their wives.

The lights are dim, the candles flicker, and Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin croon over the speakers. Laughing, getting into the mood, Martin serenades his wife, singing “Volare.” It’s a rare night out for them.

They talk about their players. They talk about wine. They talk about good food. They couldn’t be happier.

People notice, but no one ventures to talk with Kansas State’s head coach. Only the waitress — a KU fan — talks basketball.

“Coach, how’s the food?”

Frank smiles, puts his hand over his white button-down shirt and rubs his belly.

“Ohhhhhhh,” he says with a smile, “so good. But I’m too full. I’m not gonna be very good at my job tomorrow.”

The waitress laughs and Frank, smiling, says, “I’ve got a KU fan here trying to trip me up!”

These are good days for Frank Martin, but there’s still an edge to him, the fact that just a few words bring out his deeply felt belief that he and his guys are truly disrespected. He just can’t help himself.

“It’s true,” he says.

He grabs a hunk of bread and wipes up some garlic dip, what’s left of his Veal Spiedini on his plate, and tries to explain: His players are tough, he says, they’re skilled, and they still haven’t been given the credit they deserve.

“That’s because all of the kids were slighted for never being good last year,” he says. “They know it. It’s what we tell them: You’ve got to come out and earn respect. No one’s going to give you respect, especially not to us.”

Sinatra’s moody voice comes down again.

“We have to go out there and take it. Last year, (it was), ‘I didn’t coach well.’ ‘Pullen wasn’t a great player.’ This and that.”

He turns and looks you in the eye. He’s not angry. Just certain about how the world sees him and his coaches and his players. He wants you to get it, too.

“We’re in this together,” he says. “Will we win enough games? We’ll see. But I go home every night and I’m at peace. We do the right things. These players give everything they have.”

He turns back to his food, and more festive talk, and then the bill’s paid and the manager wants a photo for the wall and finally Frank Martin is gone.

The maniac is back in his car, driving toward a high school basketball game, then on to Manhattan — a man with something to prove and a season, finally, in which he just might.

To reach Bill Reiter, sports reporter for The Star, call 816-234-4856 or send e-mail to wreiter@kcstar.com

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:46 PM
This game is pretty boring now. Shitty basketball.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 07:47 PM
Dear God Kstater, by the time I read that the game will be over...

kstater
01-13-2009, 07:48 PM
Dear God Kstater, by the time I read that the game will be over...

It's not like it's that exciting of a game.

KC_Connection
01-13-2009, 07:50 PM
I'm completely fed up with the Morris brothers. I'm assuming they knew how to play basketball before they got here at some point, right? Maybe they'll figure it out eventually, but wow, they suck right now.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:51 PM
I'm completely fed up with the Morris brothers. I'm assuming they knew how to play basketball before they got here at some point, right? Maybe they'll figure it out eventually, but wow, they suck right now.

They are freshman whom most likely never figured out high school.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 07:55 PM
I'm completely fed up with the Morris brothers. I'm assuming they knew how to play basketball before they got here at some point, right? Maybe they'll figure it out eventually, but wow, they suck right now.

Why are you expecting so much out of the freshman? I think we'll be quite pleased with them down the road.

-HH

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 07:55 PM
It's not like it's that exciting of a game.

I made it almost half way through.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 07:57 PM
Meh, could be, and probably will be worse.

kstater
01-13-2009, 07:58 PM
Eh, 13 isn't horrible considering the start.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:00 PM
This is a post I made at a Jayhawk board, but I'll repost here since the topic came up:

There's been some discussion about the freshman in general and the twins in particular about their competitive abilities. Some going so far as to call them "frauds" or that "they suck". So, I thought I would go through the life of Arizona's, Jordan Hill.

Rivals ranked him No. 86 out of high school, the No. 11 power forward.

Year GP-GS Min/Avg FG-FGA Pct FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off-Def Tot Avg PF-FO Ast TO Blk Stl Pts/Avg

2006-07 29-12 409/14.1 58-89 .652 0-0 .000 21-47 .447 46-72 118 4.1 51-0 3 21 26 6 137/4.7

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper997/stills/5wi675g5.jpg
Freshman

2007-08 34-33 1001/29.4 184-297 .620 0-0 .000 82-120 .683 84-186 270 7.9 105-2 27 72 56 17 450/13.2

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper997/stills/ur3z89i1.jpg
Sophmore

So far this season, Hill is averaging 12 rpg and 17.8 ppg

http://blog.oregonlive.com/sportsupdates/2008/03/osuend.JPG
Junior

Look at the difference in body composition to go along with the experience of playing his third year of college ball. I wish people would quit coming down so hard on freshman. I think part of the problem has been the run of super talented freshman that have introduced themselves in the Big 12 with Durant and Beasley. Griffin might have been in that same category if not for injuries, and is proving it as a sophmore. But, please, try and remember, there's so much more to being a freshman than just the basketball side of things. Its a huge adjustment from which most teams try to bring along in doses, but due to early defections, we don't have said luxury. I predict, that in the coming years, people are going to be quite pleased that this group formed the nucleus of support that last year's seniors provided for some of their more talented underclassman.

We we're not going to win a national title this year folks. Instead of this constant assessment, just enjoy the experience of the learning curve. It will be frustrating at times, but the payoff could be huge. Self and his staff know how to develop players, know how to teach the game. Every student, no matter what subject, has a different learning curve, don't try and cookie cut these guys into your expectations for living vicariously through your sports teams. Its just not that important. If you can't enjoy the process, you are a fair weather fan. Remember when Russ Rob didn't want to get into a game as a freshman? Remember when DJ wanted to quit? Remember when people thought Sasha wouldn't be a productive post player because of his footwork? Don't rush the process, the payoff is not this year. Its fine to point out areas that need improvement, but let's try and avoid personal attacks that really don't say much about the players but more about your own frustration. Every player has their demon to conquer their freshman year, some demons linger longer, but Jayhawks don't quit. Don't quit too early on our young Hawks.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:01 PM
This is a post I made at a Jayhawk board, but I'll repost here since the topic came up:

There's been some discussion about the freshman in general and the twins in particular about their competitive abilities. Some going so far as to call them "frauds" or that "they suck". So, I thought I would go through the life of Arizona's, Jordan Hill.

Rivals ranked him No. 86 out of high school, the No. 11 power forward.

Year GP-GS Min/Avg FG-FGA Pct FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off-Def Tot Avg PF-FO Ast TO Blk Stl Pts/Avg

2006-07 29-12 409/14.1 58-89 .652 0-0 .000 21-47 .447 46-72 118 4.1 51-0 3 21 26 6 137/4.7

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper997/stills/5wi675g5.jpg
Freshman

2007-08 34-33 1001/29.4 184-297 .620 0-0 .000 82-120 .683 84-186 270 7.9 105-2 27 72 56 17 450/13.2

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper997/stills/ur3z89i1.jpg
Sophmore

So far this season, Hill is averaging 12 rpg and 17.8 ppg

http://blog.oregonlive.com/sportsupdates/2008/03/osuend.JPG
Junior

Look at the difference in body composition to go along with the experience of playing his third year of college ball. I wish people would quit coming down so hard on freshman. I think part of the problem has been the run of super talented freshman that have introduced themselves in the Big 12 with Durant and Beasley. Griffin might have been in that same category if not for injuries, and is proving it as a sophmore. But, please, try and remember, there's so much more to being a freshman than just the basketball side of things. Its a huge adjustment from which most teams try to bring along in doses, but due to early defections, we don't have said luxury. I predict, that in the coming years, people are going to be quite pleased that this group formed the nucleus of support that last year's seniors provided for some of their more talented underclassman.

We we're not going to win a national title this year folks. Instead of this constant assessment, just enjoy the experience of the learning curve. It will be frustrating at times, but the payoff could be huge. Self and his staff know how to develop players, know how to teach the game. Every student, no matter what subject, has a different learning curve, don't try and cookie cut these guys into your expectations for living vicariously through your sports teams. Its just not that important. If you can't enjoy the process, you are a fair weather fan. Remember when Russ Rob didn't want to get into a game as a freshman? Remember when DJ wanted to quit? Remember when people thought Sasha wouldn't be a productive post player because of his footwork? Don't rush the process, the payoff is not this year. Its fine to point out areas that need improvement, but let's try and avoid personal attacks that really don't say much about the players but more about your own frustration. Every player has their demon to conquer their freshman year, some demons linger longer, but Jayhawks don't quit. Don't quit too early on our young Hawks.

Dude, you are pretty weird.

KC_Connection
01-13-2009, 08:01 PM
Why are you expecting so much out of the freshman? I think we'll be quite pleased with them down the road.

-HH

Who said I was expecting "much?"

I just want to see "something." That's it. I just need a sign that they have some kind of basketball sense.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 08:04 PM
Not a bad half. I especially liked the first 10 minutes. Can we hold onto this lead?

DJay23
01-13-2009, 08:06 PM
Just got home and don't feel like reading through 7 pages of game chatter and I can't get the game on TV. How does Little look? Did he start? I see he is 3/4 shooting, that's encouraging at least.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:07 PM
Dude, you are pretty weird.

You have no idea.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:07 PM
Start working on the 2-DVD set.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:08 PM
Who said I was expecting "much?"

I just want to see "something." That's it. I just need a sign that they have some kind of basketball sense.

I've seen improvement in their aggressiveness going to the rim for rebounds.

Craqhead
01-13-2009, 08:10 PM
Not a bad half. I especially liked the first 10 minutes. Can we hold onto this lead?

We should be able too hold on...

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:15 PM
MANHATTAN, Kan. | The Kansas State players file into their locker room during halftime seven days before the start of Big 12 play, laughing, slapping each other’s backs, soaking in the good feelings of an 18-point lead over another easy opponent.

Jacob Pullen lounges in his black padded chair, talking to the guys around him.........


Hey, get that shit out of here. This is a KU game thread.









Oh.....wait......nm.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Just got home and don't feel like reading through 7 pages of game chatter and I can't get the game on TV. How does Little look? Did he start? I see he is 3/4 shooting, that's encouraging at least.

I would say that Little is starting to look like the guy we expected. I think once he gets to full health and gets better chemistry with the team, he will make this team better for sure.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Finally, signs of life.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Well Typical young KU. no lead is safe...

kstater
01-13-2009, 08:18 PM
PBJ

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:18 PM
Memphis - Tulsa is on TV and KU - KSU isn't. What a kick in the bag.

KC_Connection
01-13-2009, 08:19 PM
I've seen improvement in their aggressiveness going to the rim for rebounds.

You must be kidding. They hardly play with any aggressiveness at all. For two guys that big, they certainly play below the rim.

DJay23
01-13-2009, 08:19 PM
I would say that Little is starting to look like the guy we expected. I think once he gets to full health and gets better chemistry with the team, he will make this team better for sure.

Thanks that's the answer I was hoping for!

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:20 PM
Memphis - Tulsa is on TV and KU - KSU isn't. What a kick in the bag.

The game in Manhattan will be on ABC.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:21 PM
Well Unless KU wakes back up... KSU is going to run away with this game...

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:21 PM
4 points is as close as we get I imagine.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:22 PM
Why Morningstar thinks he should drive & shoot is beyond me.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:22 PM
You must be kidding. They hardly play with any aggressiveness at all. For two guys that big, they certainly play below the rim.

No, I'm not, compared to where they were at the beginning of the year.

-HH

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:23 PM
18-0 and we just pissed it away

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Nice drive Taylor.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:24 PM
Why Morningstar thinks he should drive & shoot is beyond me.

Extremely low BBIQ.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:24 PM
Why Morningstar thinks he should drive & shoot is beyond me.

I agree with this... He either throws it wildly or gets it rejected 10 rows up...

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:25 PM
Extremely low BBIQ.

:rolleyes:

Not this shit again... That was so last year and before...

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:25 PM
18-0 and we just pissed it away

Hard to keep up that intensity. Also hard to turn the ball over that many times in a row.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:25 PM
I agree with this... He either throws it wildly or gets it rejected 10 rows up...

He's a spot up shooter & defender....nothing more.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 08:26 PM
I agree with this... He either throws it wildly or gets it rejected 10 rows up...

He got rejected by the rim.

KC_Connection
01-13-2009, 08:26 PM
No, I'm not, compared to where they were at the beginning of the year.

-HH

Well let's ask the others....anybody else think the Morris brothers have improved? At all?

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Why Morningstar thinks he should drive & shoot is beyond me.

Self tells him to? His rep suggests he does only what he is told. A total team player.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:28 PM
Morningstar is a role player who feels like he has to step up the scoring without a third reliable scorer. Hopefully Little steps into that void, allowing Morningstar to spot up for threes and rebound.

-HH

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:28 PM
Clemente is pretty quick.

kstater
01-13-2009, 08:28 PM
Clemente is pretty quick.

I've heard that.

Ari Chi3fs
01-13-2009, 08:29 PM
Nice Morningstar... that was a High Basketball IQ, three pointer

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:29 PM
There....THAT'S the Morningstar KU needs.

Ari Chi3fs
01-13-2009, 08:29 PM
nice quick 5 points

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 08:30 PM
Martin only has one more TO.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:30 PM
Self tells him to? His rep suggests he does only what he is told. A total team player.

I seriously doubt Self told Morningstar that one of his roles on his team was to get to the basket.

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 08:31 PM
FUCKING NICE PASS Morris!

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:33 PM
I seriously doubt Self told Morningstar that one of his roles on his team was to get to the basket.i bet he did

imo he told morningstar to be more aggressive

on offense and defense

he doesn't want him to be a scorer but be a threat


it will open up the other guys if he is

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:33 PM
I seriously doubt Self told Morningstar that one of his roles on his team was to get to the basket.

I seriously doubt he told him not to.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:34 PM
You must be kidding. They hardly play with any aggressiveness at all. For two guys that big, they certainly play below the rim.

Actually, sometimes they play with too much aggressiveness. They are good at rebounding. Yes, that make boneheaded plays at times. They are freshmen. They will become very good basketball players in another year or two.

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 08:35 PM
ROFL fouling out with 12 min left??

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:35 PM
I seriously doubt he told him not to.

High BBIQ by the old timer.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Well Colon is gone...

Still 12 to go...

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:35 PM
Tulsa within one of Memphis with a minute to go. We're not the only team the NBA decimated.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:36 PM
They are also above average passers for freshman big men.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:36 PM
Tulsa within one of Memphis with a minute to go. We're not the only team the NBA decimated.

Thats an understatement...

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:37 PM
Well Colon is gone...

Still 12 to go...

12 players or 12 minutes?

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:38 PM
Extremely low BBIQ.

No, that is not true. Actually, Morningstar is a pretty smart baller normally. But I think sometimes he is afraid to take it strong. He makes boneheaded plays sometimes. But he makes a lot of smart basketball plays, too.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 08:38 PM
They are also above average passers for freshman big men.

Julian?

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:38 PM
No, that is not true. Actually, Morningstar is a pretty smart baller normally. But I think sometimes he is afraid to take it strong. He makes boneheaded plays sometimes. But he makes a lot of smart basketball plays, too.

I'm talking about Mr. Plow, not Brady Morningstar.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:39 PM
12 players or 12 minutes?

12 points? When I watch a game I know others can't get I try to post the score every so often.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:40 PM
Well let's ask the others....anybody else think the Morris brothers have improved? At all?

Yes, they have.

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:41 PM
12 points? When I watch a game I know others can't get I try to post the score every so often.

61-49. 11 minutes to go.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:41 PM
Clemente is pretty quick.

Captain Obvious. ROFL

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:41 PM
No, that is not true. Actually, Morningstar is a pretty smart baller normally. But I think sometimes he is afraid to take it strong. He makes boneheaded plays sometimes. But he makes a lot of smart basketball plays, too.

Plus he does what Self wants or he wouldn't be out there.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 08:42 PM
Julian?

Let's not forget, Julian was a top 10 rated player out of high school. I wasn't comparing to anyone in particular, but rather on the average for Division I.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:43 PM
I'm talking about Mr. Plow, not Brady Morningstar.

OIC. Carry on then.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:43 PM
Memphis survives by one at the buzzer. What a long fall.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-13-2009, 08:44 PM
12 points? When I watch a game I know others can't get I try to post the score every so often.

How about posting it now.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:44 PM
I seriously doubt he told him not to.

You're probably right. You don't discourage someone from being aggressive. Maybe I'm giving Morningstars high BBIQ too much credit that he would know he's not a Collins/Taylor type player.



Nice spot up three Morningstar.

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Memphis survives by one at the buzzer. What a long fall.ANTONIO FUCKING ANDERSON

That was almost as great as the comeback at UAB last year. Silly road games.

kstater
01-13-2009, 08:45 PM
How about posting it now.

66-51

Fish
01-13-2009, 08:45 PM
Sometimes I like to shout out "Dammit Cole!" in my best Robert Duvall voice....

PHOG
01-13-2009, 08:45 PM
How about posting it now.

66-51, 9 and a half to go, KU

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 08:45 PM
I'm talking about Mr. Plow, not Brady Morningstar.

ROFL

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:47 PM
How about posting it now.

I would post it but I am about 4 minutes behind.

Ah, what the heck.
63-50 KU with 10:20 left.

Taylor about to shoot the and 1.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:48 PM
I would post it but I am about 4 minutes behind.

Ah, what the heck.
63-50 KU with 10:20 left.

Taylor about to shoot the and 1.

Dude you are so 4 minutes ago...

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 08:49 PM
Somebody said earlier today our problem is we don't have great players. I agree but you can't just go to the great player store and buy some. You buy potential and develop them into great players. Kinda like growing a garden.

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:49 PM
Bye Bye Cole...

kstater
01-13-2009, 08:49 PM
GG Hawks. Got to run.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:51 PM
One thing I noticed Cole do just now is to dunk emphatically after he was fouled. Now, I know that may seem silly, bu I just like the attitude. The team of the last couple years was like that. They would swat away shots that were put up after the whistle. The attitude of you're not gonna score on us no matter what is what I really enjoyed. This young team is getting that slowly but surely.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 08:52 PM
One thing I noticed Cole do just now is to dunk emphatically after he was fouled. Now, I know that may seem silly, bu I just like the attitude. The team of the last couple years was like that. They would swat away shots that were put up after the whistle. The attitude of you're not gonna score on us no matter what is what I really enjoyed. This young team is getting that slowly but surely.
Bill Self is the master. In 10 years nobody will remember Roy.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:53 PM
Dude you are so 4 minutes ago...

I know. I am living in the past.

Dr. Facebook Fever
01-13-2009, 08:53 PM
Somebody said earlier today our problem is we don't have great players. I agree but you can't just go to the great player store and buy some. You buy potential and develop them into great players. Kinda like growing a garden.

A great man once said.... life's a garden... dig it.

and thanks to the 3 score updaters.

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:53 PM
69-56 KU

7:50 left

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:54 PM
Bill Self is the master. In 10 years nobody will remember Roy.

Roy who?

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:54 PM
Packed it in.

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:54 PM
block by morningstar


when colon fouled out it took K-State's heart

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:54 PM
Bill Self is the master. In 10 years nobody will remember Roy.

5 years later...

Who the heck is Roy?

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:55 PM
clemente is one fast mofo :eek:

Reerun_KC
01-13-2009, 08:55 PM
Packed it in.

Down 11...


Its not over yet...

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:55 PM
Little with the nice jumper

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:56 PM
73-62 KU

5:32

Saulbadguy
01-13-2009, 08:57 PM
Down 11...


Its not over yet...

It's over, you can tell our guys are gassed, there has been a foul nearly every possesion, can't keep up.

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 08:57 PM
Taylor wipes the side of his face before each free throw just like Russell Robinson used to do.

heh

Lzen
01-13-2009, 08:58 PM
KSU 60
KU 73

6 minuts

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 09:00 PM
5 years later...

Who the heck is Roy?

:D

PHOG
01-13-2009, 09:01 PM
77-64, 3:52 and at TV time out

Lzen
01-13-2009, 09:01 PM
I have seen a couple of times tonight that it appeared the KSU might have interfered with the ball while it was still over the cylinder. I guess the refs didn't see it that way. It was close, though.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 09:02 PM
A nice 2-3 minute spurt should knock this game out, say a +5 increase.

Mr. Laz
01-13-2009, 09:05 PM
morris just doesnt know how to play without fouling

Lzen
01-13-2009, 09:06 PM
Lol.
Fred Brown is the sixth man of the game. The put a KU symbol next to his name.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 09:06 PM
I have seen a couple of times tonight that it appeared the KSU might have interfered with the ball while it was still over the cylinder. I guess the refs didn't see it that way. It was close, though.Yeah the misses told me not to cuss when I screamed "You can't fucking touch the ball while its on the rim."

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
Bill Self is the master. In 10 years nobody will remember Roy.

In 10 years we'll be playing in Bill Self Fieldhouse.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
Nice game for Taylor. 18 point, 4 boards, 3 assists.

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
morris just doesnt know how to play without fouling

Yeah, he needs someone like Aldrich to mentor him, and....never mind. :D

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
In 10 years we'll be playing in Bill Self Fieldhouse.

You really think that?

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 09:09 PM
Yeah, he needs someone like Aldrich to mentor him, and....never mind. :D

ROFL

HolyHandgernade
01-13-2009, 09:09 PM
I thought the Little experiment was largely successful. I thought he looked decent tonight.

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 09:10 PM
I thought the Little experiment was largely successful. I thought he looked decent tonight.

IMO he knocked the rust off really quickly.

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 09:12 PM
I thought the Little experiment was largely successful. I thought he looked decent tonight.

The good thing....he's only going to get better.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 09:13 PM
You really think that?

I think it is very possible. AFH is nearly 60 years old.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 09:13 PM
In 10 years we'll be playing in Bill Self Fieldhouse.I doubt it. They could name the whole complex Bill Self Complex. But I don't think they will Change Naismith Court or Phog Allen fieldhouse.

PHOG
01-13-2009, 09:15 PM
87-71, final..

arrowheadnation
01-13-2009, 09:15 PM
WARM UP THE TRACTOR!!!

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Mr. Plow
01-13-2009, 09:15 PM
I doubt it. They could name the whole complex Bill Self Complex. But I don't think they will Change Naismith Court or Phog Allen fieldhouse.

This is basically what I was thinking. Surely their will be something named for him, but I can't see them renaming the court or the building.

ArrowheadHawk
01-13-2009, 09:16 PM
It got close for a little bit but overall nice game by the hawks. Up next Colorado.

DJay23
01-13-2009, 09:19 PM
This is basically what I was thinking. Surely their will be something named for him, but I can't see them renaming the court or the building.

They didn't name anything after Larry Brown. He won a Championship and went to one more Final Four.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 09:20 PM
I doubt it. They could name the whole complex Bill Self Complex. But I don't think they will Change Naismith Court or Phog Allen fieldhouse.

They wouldn't change the name of AFH, they would build new. AFH will be 64 years old in 10 years. Who has an older arena than that? But think about it, who else built that large an arena in 1955?

DJay23
01-13-2009, 09:23 PM
They wouldn't change the name of AFH, they would build new. AFH will be 64 years old in 10 years. Who has an older arena than that? But think about it, who else built that large an arena in 1955?

How old is the Palestra?

jidar
01-13-2009, 09:24 PM
liked what I saw mostly.
Tyshawn continues to improve in leaps and bounds and we might really have something in Little. That guy hit a really sweet looking nearly undefendable fade away jumper in the first half that reminded me of Kevin Durant. Not that I'm comparing Little to Durant, just saying that was a sweet shot and I love to see that he has that in his arsenal.

DJay23
01-13-2009, 09:24 PM
How old is the Palestra?

1927

jidar
01-13-2009, 09:25 PM
They wouldn't change the name of AFH, they would build new. AFH will be 64 years old in 10 years. Who has an older arena than that? But think about it, who else built that large an arena in 1955?

I hate to see tradition fucked with.

they should just do like Arrowhead and come up with big renovation plans.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 09:25 PM
They didn't name anything after Larry Brown. He won a Championship and went to one more Final Four.

Larry was a vagabond and everybody knew it. Even Brown joked about it. After one year he said he'd been here 4 seasons. Summer, Fall, Winter and Spring. He would have had to stay 20 years to get something named for him.

Lzen
01-13-2009, 09:35 PM
WARM UP THE TRACTOR!!!

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

:LOL: I love that sign. :LOL:

arrowheadnation
01-13-2009, 09:50 PM
:LOL: I love that sign. :LOL:

The crowd was chanting it toward the end too. ROFL

Silock
01-13-2009, 11:10 PM
Morningstar didn't have a good game again.

FG - 2/7
3pt - 2/4

6 pts, 0 TO, 3 ast, 1 stl.

Meh.

He needs vast improvement. The problem is that we don't have anyone much better than him to take his starting place. Those are bench numbers.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 11:15 PM
Morningstar didn't have a good game again.

FG - 2/7
3pt - 2/4

6 pts, 0 TO, 3 ast, 1 stl.

Meh.

He needs vast improvement. The problem is that we don't have anyone much better than him to take his starting place. Those are bench numbers.

You want vast improvement on 50% three shooting? That alone justifies his being out there. Sorry but you will have to wait with the rest of us for these kids to develop. I'd bet money Bill Self knows more about this than you do.

Buehler445
01-13-2009, 11:17 PM
:LOL: I love that sign. :LOL:

Wife pointed that sign out to me. I almost fell off the couch laughing.

Silock
01-13-2009, 11:19 PM
You want vast improvement on 50% three shooting? That alone justifies his being out there. Sorry but you will have to wait with the rest of us for these kids to develop. I'd bet money Bill Self knows more about this than you do.

Dude, he had 6 points. Those were his only 2 buckets. Last week, he airballed a layup, and today, he gets rejected by the rim while driving to it. I mean, it's great that he can hit the wide open 3s, but he can't hit any other shots, it seems.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- he's a great off-the-bench guy. He's not good enough to be a starter on a NC team, but we don't have any better options. That's why he's out there. I'm absolutely 100% certain that Self knows more than I do, but I'm pretty sure he knows that he doesn't have anyone else to put out there.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 11:25 PM
Dude, he had 6 points. Those were his only 2 buckets. Last week, he airballed a layup, and today, he gets rejected by the rim while driving to it. I mean, it's great that he can hit the wide open 3s, but he can't hit any other shots, it seems.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- he's a great off-the-bench guy. He's not good enough to be a starter on a NC team, but we don't have any better options. That's why he's out there. I'm absolutely 100% certain that Self knows more than I do, but I'm pretty sure he knows that he doesn't have anyone else to put out there.

Were not that far apart except I don't rail on freshmen because they aren't yet great. They're FRESHMEN!! Danny Manning only comes along twice per century. Our great team of last year lost to Bucknell and Bradley when they were young. People were laughing at us. Get realstic.

Silock
01-13-2009, 11:36 PM
Morningstar isn't a freshman. He's a sophomore, but this is his 3rd year here. The guy is averaging 28 minutes per game. And he doesn't have great production.

I hope he gets better. I really do. Because we need him to get better.

Skip Towne
01-13-2009, 11:42 PM
Morningstar isn't a freshman. He's a sophomore, but this is his 3rd year here. The guy is averaging 28 minutes per game. And he doesn't have great production.

I hope he gets better. I really do. Because we need him to get better.

He played nearly not at all last year or the year before. Only mop up duty. This is his first year as anything but a practice dummy. Self thinks he is most likely to develop apparently so I'm going with that. Most coaches would tolerate Brady even if he did nothing but bring his nearly 50% three shooting.

Silock
01-13-2009, 11:47 PM
It's not really difficult to average close to 50% on threes per game when you only average hitting 1.6 per game. That's a totally misleading stat.

I know it's his first year starting and getting significant playing time, but he's been practicing with the team for a while now. He should be more developed at this point. We need him to step up because we have no one else.

Skip Towne
01-14-2009, 12:23 AM
It's not really difficult to average close to 50% on threes per game when you only average hitting 1.6 per game. That's a totally misleading stat.

I know it's his first year starting and getting significant playing time, but he's been practicing with the team for a while now. He should be more developed at this point. We need him to step up because we have no one else.
Dream on. I just checked and thru games of Jan. 12, Moringstar is at 52% on threes. Reed is at an astonishing 65%. Both have 24 threes. We had two of the best in the country last year and neither were close to 50%. You act like a spoiled rotten kid.

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 12:32 AM
In 10 years we'll be playing in Bill Self Fieldhouse.

I doubt it. They could name the whole complex Bill Self Complex. But I don't think they will Change Naismith Court or Phog Allen fieldhouse.

Congrats on the win guys, but Jesus Christ: :whackit: to the 100th-power up in here!

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 12:38 AM
Wife pointed that sign out to me. I almost fell off the couch laughing.

Hey B, did you see the other sign, where it had KU on one side with all the trophies we have won over the last couple of years and the other side it was KSU and underneath it was a cow.

IF someone has it, please post it!

Silock
01-14-2009, 01:49 AM
Dream on. I just checked and thru games of Jan. 12, Moringstar is at 52% on threes. Reed is at an astonishing 65%. Both have 24 threes. We had two of the best in the country last year and neither were close to 50%. You act like a spoiled rotten kid.

Dream on what? The percentage doesn't mean jack shit. According to ESPN.com, he's 24 for 52. That works out to 46%, which is a good percentage. Average out over 16 games, the amount in which he's played, he's averaging a blistering 1.5 per game. Wow, color me impressed /sarcasm. And that percentage is helped a TON from the 6 for 8 from 3 performance he had against Coppin St.

Reed hasn't hit anywhere CLOSE to 65%. Keep dreaming. You misread the stat line. Reed is 24 for 65, which works out to 37%.

Spoiled rotten kid? I don't see that one, unless you're counting all the times I keep pointing out where you're wrong.

I'm rooting for Brady. I have to. He's not going anywhere this year. But he's not where the team needs him to be. I'd just rather see him coming off the bench to help the team when a more talented player needs to come out.

BWillie
01-14-2009, 02:29 AM
Dream on what? The percentage doesn't mean jack shit. According to ESPN.com, he's 24 for 52. That works out to 46%, which is a good percentage. Average out over 16 games, the amount in which he's played, he's averaging a blistering 1.5 per game. Wow, color me impressed /sarcasm. And that percentage is helped a TON from the 6 for 8 from 3 performance he had against Coppin St.

Reed hasn't hit anywhere CLOSE to 65%. Keep dreaming. You misread the stat line. Reed is 24 for 65, which works out to 37%.

Spoiled rotten kid? I don't see that one, unless you're counting all the times I keep pointing out where you're wrong.

I'm rooting for Brady. I have to. He's not going anywhere this year. But he's not where the team needs him to be. I'd just rather see him coming off the bench to help the team when a more talented player needs to come out.

I will say this. Brady Morningstar isn't really a problem on this team. Sure if we had more talent I don't think he should start but he's had a fine year. He does not make many mistakes, as evident by his zero turnovers today. If you shoot 46-48% from 3FG you need to be on the floor and you are an integral part of the offense. I do feel confident if Brady played last year he would have saw some regular minutes as a 3 point shooter and role player.

Silock
01-14-2009, 02:48 AM
I don't think he's a problem. I'm just saying he's not a starter on a NC team with this level of play. The same can be said for a lot of our players, namely the Morris twins. Brady needs to get better, and this being his third year, I expect more from him than mediocre performances.