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Mecca
01-14-2009, 04:31 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/980118.html


Judgment day for Herm Edwards
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star


Herm Edwards presided over the two most dismal seasons of Chiefs football in 30 years. The Chiefs went 4-12 in 2007 and 2-14 in 2008, yet that might not have been the worst part of Edwards’ three-year tenure.

If new general manager Scott Pioli, as expected, decides to make a coaching change, Edwards can trace his downfall to 2006, when the Chiefs actually made the playoffs.

The Chiefs’ wild-card berth that season delayed Edwards’ plan to overhaul an aging team, and by the time his program was fully put into place this year, he tried to implement it with too much youth too soon and failed.

“We had a plan,” he reflected toward the end of a season-ending nine-game losing streak in 2007. “It just didn’t come about.”

Consequently, all signs indicate the Chiefs failed to make enough progress to retain Edwards, whose club lost 23 of the last 25 games.

When Edwards came to Kansas City in 2006, he inherited a 36-year-old quarterback in Trent Green, ancient cornerbacks in Ty Law and Patrick Surtain and some overmatched offensive tackles.

Once the 2006 season ended, the roster purge would begin.

But on the last day of the season, the Chiefs needed several scenarios to go their way to make the playoffs, including a victory over Jacksonville at Arrowhead Stadium and an unlikely Denver loss at home to a 6-9 San Francisco team.

That’s exactly what happened. The Chiefs, 9-7, reached the postseason and were promptly dispatched 23-8 by the eventual Super Bowl champion Indianapolis Colts.

The taste of the postseason was intoxicating to then-president/general manager Carl Peterson and, to a certain extent, Edwards. So they tried patching up the team with the hope of being good enough to do it again. They signed veterans such as offensive tackle Damion McIntosh, linebackers Napoleon Harris and Donnie Edwards and defensive tackle Alfonso Boone, putting the rebuilding plan on hold.

It backfired.

The Chiefs got off to a 4-3 start in 2007, but injuries to running back Larry Johnson and quarterbacks Damon Huard and Brodie Croyle led to nine straight losses to finish the season. The Chiefs never recovered.

“Your expectations get built up when you get in the playoffs, which is fine,” Edwards said late last season of the altered philosophy of 2007. “But as an organization, you know the reality of where you are. You get in the playoffs (in 2006), which was great, but it was basically the same team that was here before.”

• • •

Edwards has made some huge miscalculations as well.

With ownership’s blessing, Edwards hitched his future to Croyle, who had a history of injuries in both high school and at the University of Alabama, causing him to drop to the third round of the 2006 draft.

Edwards saw something in Croyle, who despite his slender build had a strong arm. Edwards likened Croyle to Chad Pennington, a cerebral but injury-prone quarterback who led Edwards’ New York Jets to the postseason in 2002 and 2004, when healthy.

The Chiefs cleared the way for Croyle by trading Green to Miami, and handed Croyle the starting job in training camp of 2007. But Croyle was so ineffective in the preseason that Huard, an 11-year journeyman, became the opening-day starter and kept the job for nine games.

Each time Croyle got a chance to play in 2007, he got hurt. He suffered a back injury in his second start, a hand injury in his fifth start.

Edwards still had faith in Croyle going into 2008 and not only failed to shore up the position in the offseason, he also didn’t give many preseason snaps to Huard to prepare him in the event Croyle might get hurt again.

Sure enough, Croyle, playing behind a shaky offensive line, didn’t make it out of the 2008 season opener at New England, where he suffered a separated shoulder in the third quarter. When Croyle returned five weeks later, he suffered a season-ending knee injury against the Tennessee Titans.

Croyle’s career record as a starter was 0-8. And his replacement this season, Tyler Thigpen, was 1-10.

• • •

Edwards has had a soft spot for young players, mainly because he was given a chance as an undrafted rookie free agent and played 135 consecutive games at cornerback for the Philadelphia Eagles during 1977-85.

But he may have gone overboard in 2008. The Chiefs had 26 rookies and first-year players on their roster at the end of the season. Injuries played a role in that inordinate number, but so did philosophy.

The plan was to stockpile draft picks, but at what expense? It was one thing to trade an aging Green, an ineffective Dante Hall, an inconsistent Lawrence Tynes and little-used Michael Bennett for mid- to late-round draft picks.

But the signature deal of the 2008 season was a disaster — sending NFL sack leader Jared Allen, at just 26 years old, to Minnesota for a first-round selection (17th overall) and two third-round picks.

The players taken with those picks — offensive tackle Branden Albert in the first round, and running back Jamaal Charles and safety DeJuan Morgan in the third round — might turn out to be good players. Albert, in fact, started 15 games and showed he might be a cornerstone for the next 10 years.

But the trade of Allen left the Chiefs with no pass rush. They set an NFL record for sack futility with 10 all season, while Allen picked up 14 1/2 himself, giving him 30 for the last two seasons.

Edwards planned to move Tamba Hali into Allen’s rush end spot, but Hali, who has turned out to be a disappointment as Edwards’ initial first-round pick in 2006, could not handle it.

Edwards’ other two prized first-round picks, wide receiver Dwayne Bowe and defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey, both out of LSU, also have had spotty starts to their careers.

Despite all the injuries and inexperience, or maybe because of it, the Chiefs lost eight games by seven points or fewer. But they inexplicably blew leads of 24-3 at home to Tampa Bay, and 21-10 in the fourth quarter at home to San Diego. And they simply failed to compete in lopsided losses to Oakland, Atlanta, Carolina and worst of all, a 54-31 loss at home to Buffalo, the most points allowed by any Chiefs team.

Maybe all those players Edwards brought in will fulfill his vision of building with youth. But will it be a new coach who benefits?

kstater
01-14-2009, 04:34 AM
Sounds like a bunch of excuses for failure.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 04:36 AM
This piece is all about trying to make out like it's not really Herm's fault..he wanted Ty Law he wasn't saddled with him...

Some people will forever be snowed by Herm it appears.

JuicesFlowing
01-14-2009, 04:39 AM
Worst defense in Chiefs history from a "defense minded" coach. Hmm ..

RedandGold
01-14-2009, 04:58 AM
"The plan's OKAYYYYYYY"
- Herm E. Coyote, Super Genius

http://www.calshop.biz/2004_a/plus/Temi/img/Wile%20E.%20Coyote.jpg

WilliamTheIrish
01-14-2009, 05:10 AM
Guillotine.

cabletech94
01-14-2009, 05:33 AM
Nut Hooks.

ILChief
01-14-2009, 05:38 AM
I disagree with Bowe having a "spotty" start to his career. QB and O-Line situation considered, I think he's been a damn good player. Sure there have been some drops at some bad times. But drafting Bowe has not been a mistake at all.

InChiefsHell
01-14-2009, 05:56 AM
I disagree with Bowe having a "spotty" start to his career. QB and O-Line situation considered, I think he's been a damn good player. Sure there have been some drops at some bad times. But drafting Bowe has not been a mistake at all.

QFT. Same goes for Brandon Albert. Hell, even Dorsey had some flashes this year, he'll get better I have no doubt of that. Hali is a disappointment, but we now know how much he benefited from having Allen. I still see the Allen trade as necessary and the right move. Hated to see him go, but Albert and Charles were worth it...we'll see about Morgan.

Braincase
01-14-2009, 06:01 AM
I disagree with Bowe having a "spotty" start to his career. QB and O-Line situation considered, I think he's been a damn good player. Sure there have been some drops at some bad times. But drafting Bowe has not been a mistake at all.

I'd cut Bowe some slack if he'd learn to correct his one repetitive mistake - catching the ball against his body. Over and over again, he let's the ball bounce off his shoulderpads instead of catching the ball with his hands.

It's sometimes funny watching the pros make the same mistake in fundamentals that I address coaching 2nd and 3rd grade boys. Wrap up, catch the ball with your hands, don't tackle high.

Red Beans
01-14-2009, 06:28 AM
I disagree with Bowe having a "spotty" start to his career. QB and O-Line situation considered, I think he's been a damn good player. Sure there have been some drops at some bad times. But drafting Bowe has not been a mistake at all.

I second this statement.

FringeNC
01-14-2009, 07:01 AM
The Chiefs’ wild-card berth that season delayed Edwards’ plan to overhaul an aging team, and by the time his program was fully put into place this year, he tried to implement it with too much youth too soon and failed.

I can't wait until this excuse machine is gone.

First, any coach who changes their offseason plan because backed into the playoffs and gave one of the most embarrassing performance in NFL playoff history is a complete moron.

Secondly, and more importantly, the talk about a delay in blowing up the roster is a red herring. You fucking have to have a 53 man roster no matter what. Where are you going to get the players to fill the roster after you have blown it up? Every team blows up their roster every year. If the team sucks, drafts well, then it's possible for a large roster turnover. Herm had his 2006 draft, hence his opportunity to remake the roster to a certain extent.

You're going to see what a real roster makeover is with Pioli, and we are not going to be a bad team while in the midst of it. Herm / Carl were imcompetent. End of story. We've moved on.

kc rush
01-14-2009, 07:13 AM
I can't wait until this excuse machine is gone.

First, any coach who changes their offseason plan because backed into the playoffs and gave one of the most embarrassing performance in NFL playoff history is a complete moron.

Secondly, and more importantly, the talk about a delay in blowing up the roster is a red herring. You ****ing have to have a 53 man roster no matter what. Where are you going to get the players to fill the roster after you have blown it up? Every team blows up their roster every year. If the team sucks, drafts well, then it's possible for a large roster turnover. Herm had his 2006 draft, hence his opportunity to remake the roster to a certain extent.

You're going to see what a real roster makeover is with Pioli, and we are not going to be a bad team while in the midst of it. Herm / Carl were imcompetent. End of story. We've moved on.

Amen. I'm ready for the rest of the trash to be taken out.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-14-2009, 07:20 AM
He's a great guy just not a great coach.

A couple of my friends are the only people I know that think he should be back. But they're black though so that's kinda why.

Manila-Chief
01-14-2009, 07:53 AM
I disagree with Bowe having a "spotty" start to his career. QB and O-Line situation considered, I think he's been a damn good player. Sure there have been some drops at some bad times. But drafting Bowe has not been a mistake at all.

I thought Bowe was really good as a rookie, but fell off this past year. But, the real question about Herm's drafting is who did he pass on to get Bowe. This is where Pioli comes in ... I expect him to select the better guy most of the time (no GM is perfect).

I can't wait until this excuse machine is gone.

First, any coach who changes their offseason plan because backed into the playoffs and gave one of the most embarrassing performance in NFL playoff history is a complete moron.

Secondly, and more importantly, the talk about a delay in blowing up the roster is a red herring. You ****ing have to have a 53 man roster no matter what. Where are you going to get the players to fill the roster after you have blown it up? Every team blows up their roster every year. If the team sucks, drafts well, then it's possible for a large roster turnover. Herm had his 2006 draft, hence his opportunity to remake the roster to a certain extent.

You're going to see what a real roster makeover is with Pioli, and we are not going to be a bad team while in the midst of it. Herm / Carl were imcompetent. End of story. We've moved on.

Let me be honest, I wanted Herm to come in, leave the offense alone or in capable hands, fix the defense (he is a defensive coach) and lead us to victory ... kinda like Dungy. He didn't. He changed offensive philosophy after the first game. But, that aside, he should have evaluated the talent when he arrived. If it was is such a mess, the rebuild should have started as soon as he arrived. They simply wasted too much time before they started. That demonstrates his ability as coach. I know Kingless had a lot to do with it, but the delay was the problem.

RINGLEADER
01-14-2009, 08:12 AM
Sounds like a bunch of excuses for failure.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Otter
01-14-2009, 08:44 AM
I can't wait until this excuse machine is gone.

First, any coach who changes their offseason plan because backed into the playoffs and gave one of the most embarrassing performance in NFL playoff history is a complete moron.

Secondly, and more importantly, the talk about a delay in blowing up the roster is a red herring. You ****ing have to have a 53 man roster no matter what. Where are you going to get the players to fill the roster after you have blown it up? Every team blows up their roster every year. If the team sucks, drafts well, then it's possible for a large roster turnover. Herm had his 2006 draft, hence his opportunity to remake the roster to a certain extent.

You're going to see what a real roster makeover is with Pioli, and we are not going to be a bad team while in the midst of it. Herm / Carl were imcompetent. End of story. We've moved on.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!

Dave Lane
01-14-2009, 08:44 AM
That was the lamest revisionist history article I ever read, unbelievable anyone could make excuses for this moron.

Scorp
01-14-2009, 08:49 AM
They just said on 810 that Herm is definately out. Herm knows it and his coaching staff knows it. They didn't give a source, only saying they have been told by their sources. The Chiefs are just waiting for Pioli to land in KC with his axe.

Woot!

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 08:51 AM
This piece is all about trying to make out like it's not really Herm's fault..he wanted Ty Law he wasn't saddled with him...

Some people will forever be snowed by Herm it appears.

This article is a scathing assessment of Herm's tenure. There's nothing even slightly redeeming for Edwards in this piece, not even a Carl excuse.

StcChief
01-14-2009, 08:54 AM
He's a great guy just not a great coach.

A couple of my friends are the only people I know that think he should be back. But they're black though so that's kinda why.
The case for AA should removed in NFL and everywhere. It's run it's course. Best man gets job.

FringeNC
01-14-2009, 08:56 AM
The Chiefs are just waiting for Pioli to land in KC with his axe.

Woot!

We need a photoshop of this.

Otter
01-14-2009, 08:57 AM
This is not at all accurate.

This article is a scathing assessment of Herm's tenure. There's nothing even slightly redeeming for Edwards in this piece, not even a Carl excuse.

Except for the fact that it's missing many Herm created problems

* clock management
* crippling the offense with his 1960s philosophy
* game management

over and over and over

And that explanation doesn't do justice to how bad the Indy embarrassment was in reality.

Just get rid of the incompetent boob and let the healing begin.

Fat Elvis
01-14-2009, 09:08 AM
They just said on 810 that Herm is definately out. Herm knows it and his coaching staff knows it. They didn't give a source, only saying they have been told by their sources. The Chiefs are just waiting for Pioli to land in KC with his axe.

Woot!


You really need to find a better pic of that guy in the middle. He looks like Pioli is giving him a (Johnny) protological exam....

RedThat
01-14-2009, 09:15 AM
Herm was given a tough situation when coming here because he inherited an old aging veteran team.

I think he had no other choice but to blowup the whole roster. It was the right thing to do at the time. With that being said, he brought the right idea to this organization by building this team through the draft. Not that by saying this Im covering up for Herm or making excuses for him or trying to imply that he should stay. Believe me, we have plenty of reasons as to why the man should be fired.

Imo rebuilding is good, but if you don't have the ability to coach up these young kids, rebuilding becomes pointless. It's one thing to say you're rebuilding, but if you can't coach up your young players how are they ever going to develop? Thats point A as part of the reason he needs to go.

Secondly, his record says enough. 6-26 his last 2 seasons. I was ok with 4-12 last year mainly because I understood that was considered the "official" year that he blewup the roster and installed a whole abundance of youth. So losses were expected when you're going to start the season with a whole bunch of rookies. but this year is no excuse because this team went from 4-12 to 2-14. The term "regressed" stands out here. He had his chances to coachup these young kids and failed miserably. Im ok with rebuilding as I said, but every typical fan expects progress. Thats point B as part of the reason he needs to go.

Lastly, as much as I agree Herm Edwards is a good guy, he's just not a game day coach. He mismanaged a lot of games and is a bad game strategist. A big point C right here.

Scorp
01-14-2009, 09:28 AM
We need a photoshop of this.

ok

64 Chief
01-14-2009, 09:30 AM
Herm should go but why all the hate? He tried hard in a difficult situation but was feckless. I wish him well and and am thankful for the effort. It's time to move on, leave it at that.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 09:37 AM
He's a great guy just not a great coach.

A couple of my friends are the only people I know that think he should be back. But they're black though so that's kinda why.

Oh Yeah he is just a wonderful fucking guy! I call Bullshit..... He is willing to always chuck someone under the bus to save his own fucking ass...


I dont care what color he is, he is classless coward piece of monkey poop.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 09:39 AM
Herm should go but why all the hate? He tried hard in a difficult situation but was feckless. I wish him well and and am thankful for the effort. It's time to move on, leave it at that.

ROFL

Yeah okay... He FAILED miserably in NYJ and worse here... The difficult situation was just as much his fault as any... I dont wish him anything..

He has stolen 12 million dollars from the Chiefs and the fans of KC...

The only thing I think him for is "GET OVER IT, IT HAPPENS, ITS CALLED LIFE".

Skip Towne
01-14-2009, 09:51 AM
ROFL

Yeah okay... He FAILED miserably in NYJ and worse here... The difficult situation was just as much his fault as any... I dont wish him anything..

He has stolen 12 million dollars from the Chiefs and the fans of KC...

The only thing I think him for is "GET OVER IT, IT HAPPENS, ITS CALLED LIFE".
Hey Herm, you're fired. Get over it.

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 09:57 AM
I would imagine that Herm will be fired this morning before the press conference later today. If he is still on staff the press conference will be 90% - "Is Herm going to coach the team next year?"

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 10:00 AM
I would imagine that Herm will be fired this morning before the press conference later today. If he is still on staff the press conference will be 90% - "Is Herm going to coach the team next year?"

Coming up on sportscenter right now...


Well they said so, but not yet I guess?

HemiEd
01-14-2009, 10:39 AM
When Edwards came to Kansas City in 2006, he inherited a 36-year-old quarterback in Trent Green, ancient cornerbacks in Ty Law and Patrick Surtain and some overmatched offensive tackles.

I quit reading right here, he did not inherit Ty Law. He was VERY boisterous about bringing him in.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 10:41 AM
Well ESPN didnt say anything we havent already known, their breaking news, well really wasnt breaking...

jjchieffan
01-14-2009, 10:56 AM
Let me be honest, I wanted Herm to come in, leave the offense alone or in capable hands, fix the defense (he is a defensive coach) and lead us to victory ... kinda like Dungy.

I wouldn't say that Dungy did a lot of good with the D in Indy. They never came came close to the D they had in Tampa. Had he actually been able to come close to the Tampa D he had there, he would have walked away with more than one ring.

Ultra Peanut
01-14-2009, 10:59 AM
http://i40.tinypic.com/2z40113.png (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs#t=1m32s)

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 11:00 AM
UP that just makes me puke when I see him in KC Chiefs appearal...

Simply Red
01-14-2009, 11:06 AM
so did that dildo get fired yet? No, actually he's a good guy and I wish him the best. He certainly isn't a head coach though, at least, in my opinion.

Short Leash Hootie
01-14-2009, 11:06 AM
I wouldn't say Bowe has had a spotty start to his career...he was the 23rd pick (or close to that...) and he has a 1,000 yard season and another season where he had 995 yards...not sure how that is spotty. He is a good receiver. Not elite...but he has a lot of potential still. That was a good pick.

If Dorsey is a bust then Dorsey is a bust but every team in the NFL would've taken Dorsey at #5 last year...it was a no-brainer.

Chiefs Pantalones
01-14-2009, 11:10 AM
I agree that he will be fired by the press conference. It's true that if he's not every question will be, "Are you going to keep Edwards?"

The important issues need to be addressed and payed attention to, not some crappy head coach that has always been in way over his head. I wanna know about the present and future of this franchise and how Pioli intends to do revive it from the football grave.

chiefsngop
01-14-2009, 11:17 AM
This article is ridiculous and completely out of touch.

Herm and Carl blew this team up out of complete desperation.

If this had been their plan all along, and they only waited because a complete and total miracle got them in the playoffs, only to look completely ridiculous on a national stage, then it's just another nail in the coffin.

But I don't believe it was the plan all along, I believe Herm and Carl were both dog paddling around grasping for straws, and when there no longer was a straw to be grasped, they blew the team up out of desperation.

This team needed to rebuild, but stooge 1 and stooge 2 (Herm & Carl) did not execute a rebuild artfully and masterfully, they hap hazardly flogged along using youth as an excuse for total failure and terrible player development.

In fact, if it wasn't for our quality defensive backs coach, there likely wouldn't be a single bright spot on the entire rebuild effort.

Herm just dumped the puzzle box out on the table, he didn't even organize the matching pieces into piles.

I thank Herm & Carl both for being so terrible that they finally brought about the change this organization has desperately needed for years. That is their only credit....

dj56dt58
01-14-2009, 11:22 AM
ROFL

Yeah okay... He FAILED miserably in NYJ and worse here... The difficult situation was just as much his fault as any... I dont wish him anything..

He has stolen 12 million dollars from the Chiefs and the fans of KC...

The only thing I think him for is "GET OVER IT, IT HAPPENS, ITS CALLED LIFE".

Chief fans should all send him letters with this written on it after he's fired

blueballs
01-14-2009, 11:41 AM
When a Chiefs fan would rather Carl Peterson
be making the decisions than you as head coach
you'd be looking a long way up to a mouse turd

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 12:00 PM
I quit reading right here, he did not inherit Ty Law. He was VERY boisterous about bringing him in.

Surtain was also 30 years old at that time. That can be the start of a decline, but it isn't ancient.