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luv
01-14-2009, 04:58 PM
Which would you rather have?

kcchiefsus
01-14-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm worried about how few games Sanchez has started.

Direckshun
01-14-2009, 05:02 PM
They're not too dissimilar, but I think Sanchez has the better upside.

Mr. Laz
01-14-2009, 05:04 PM
They're not too dissimilar, but I think Sanchez has the better upside.

really? Stafford seems like the very definition of "upside"

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:06 PM
This should have been a public poll.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Well Stafford does have 3 years of starting experience so there is much more film to look at.

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Stafford - Elway
Sanchez - Aikman

Doesnt matter to me which one.

rad
01-14-2009, 05:07 PM
This should have been a public poll.

Why?

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 05:08 PM
This should have been a public poll.

You just wanted to see all the retards who picked DE or other.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:09 PM
Why?

See where people stand that don't post a comment in the thread?

Mr. Laz
01-14-2009, 05:09 PM
Stafford - Elway
Sanchez - Aikman

Doesnt matter to me which one.
it should, Elway was a much better quarterback imo

Elway could win a game with a minimal surrounding cast
Elway won a championship as soon as he got a decent running game

Aikman was surrounded by talent and hung on for the ride

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:09 PM
You just wanted to see all the retards who picked DE or other.

ROFL

Actually, I didn't even see that as an option when I voted...

Skimmed right over it.

StcChief
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
it should, Elway was a much better quarterback imo

Elway could win a game with a minimal surrounding cast
Elway won a championship as soon as he got a decent running game

Aikman was surrounded by talent and hung on for the ride

:spock:

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
I think either guy is fine, I think Stafford has earned the right to be drafted higher but I think they're close in terms of prospect status.

Mr. Laz
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
Why?
so he could go around telling people how stupid they are compared to him.

:rolleyes:

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.

That's Bradford.....get with the program.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
I'm going to go ahead and trust Mr. Pioli's choice on this one.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:11 PM
so he could go around telling people how stupid they are compared to him.

:rolleyes:

With you, Laz, I don't need to know how you vote.

Comments like this speak for themselves:

it should, Elway was a much better quarterback imo

Elway could win a game with a minimal surrounding cast
Elway won a championship as soon as he got a decent running game

Aikman was surrounded by talent and hung on for the ride

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:11 PM
:spock:

Only on this forum are there people that believe Aikman was a game manager or carried by the rest of his team, it's pretty sad.

luv
01-14-2009, 05:11 PM
This should have been a public poll.

I thought about it, but I didn't want anyone to be swayed based on who voted.

blueballs
01-14-2009, 05:12 PM
I can say
I've never seen either play

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:12 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.

I don't know...but I doubt Stafford is staying at OU.

luv
01-14-2009, 05:12 PM
I can say
I've never seen either play

Based on just the Bowl games they played in, I was much more impressed with Sanchez.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:13 PM
I'm going to go ahead and trust Mr. Pioli's choice on this one.

This and that.

the Talking Can
01-14-2009, 05:14 PM
prefer Stafford

would be thrilled to tears with either

StcChief
01-14-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't know...but I doubt Stafford is staying at OU.well... Detroit needs a QB. So do the Rams Bulger isn't it long term. waiting for Chiefsplanet blow up when they are gone
and we trade down.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:17 PM
well... Detroit needs a QB. So do the Rams Bulger isn't it long term. waiting for Chiefsplanet blow up when they are gone
and we trade down.

Awesome job of you to miss what he meant.....

the Talking Can
01-14-2009, 05:17 PM
well... Detroit needs a QB. So do the Rams Bulger isn't it long term. waiting for Chiefsplanet blow up when they are gone
and we trade down.

ROFL

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:17 PM
Stafford, Sanchez has open recievers all day. He has the best defense to help him win games as well.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:18 PM
Stafford, Sanchez has open recievers all day. He has the best defense to help him win games as well.

We found another guy that's never seen a USC game, Mecca.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:18 PM
LOL.....Sanchez has open receivers all day...uh yea ok.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:20 PM
We found another guy that's never seen a USC game, Mecca.

Obviously Patrick Turner runs a 4.2 and the USC line is the greatest line in the history of sports and Sanchez never gets touched..

I think people just see the name "USC" and just assume things...it's retarded, Sanchez has to consistently make NFL throws for his team to move the ball.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:20 PM
well... Detroit needs a QB. So do the Rams Bulger isn't it long term. waiting for Chiefsplanet blow up when they are gone
and we trade down.

Um...

I don't know what to say at this point.

Hydrae
01-14-2009, 05:21 PM
Personally, I hope Detroit goes for Stafford because I would prefer Sanchez.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:22 PM
LOL.....Sanchez has open receivers all day...uh yea ok.

Do we trade down to get Sanchez?

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:22 PM
The person that thinks USC's WR's run wide open or that Sanchez has great blocking or doesn't do much...

Name top flight NFL prospects off USC's offense, actually I'd be surprised if people can name more than a couple players.

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:22 PM
It's hard to pick since both work out of the spread. I'm not big on prospects that don't come from a pro-style offense.

That said, I have hopes that Thigpen *might* be able to groom one of these guys. But Tyler is only one man, with only one skeleton...

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:23 PM
It's hard to pick since both work out of the spread. I'm not big on prospects that don't come from a pro-style offense.

That said, I have hopes that Thigpen *might* be able to groom one of these guys.

ROFL

Awesome. The official "lil stumppy" response.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:23 PM
It's hard to pick since both work out of the spread. I'm not big on prospects that don't come from a pro-style offense.

That said, I have hopes that Thigpen *might* be able to groom one of these guys. But Tyler is only one man...

What?


This thread is getting weird.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:24 PM
The person that thinks USC's WR's run wide open or that Sanchez has great blocking or doesn't do much...

Name top flight NFL prospects off USC's offense, actually I'd be surprised if people can name more than a couple players.

Mays, Rey, Cushing.....:shake:

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 05:25 PM
What?

This thread is getting weird.

Think demonpenz type post.

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 05:25 PM
Mays, Rey, Cushing.....:shake:

Mecca asked for offense not defense.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:25 PM
Mays, Rey, Cushing.....:shake:

What offensive positions do these guys play?

I think you should actually read what I said before replying.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Mays, Rey, Cushing.....:shake:

Okay...
It's seriously getting weird, some of the off the wall responses in this thread.

If this is a joke thread, will someone clue me in?

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Mays, Rey, Cushing.....:shake:

O-F-F-E-N-S-E

On the offense.

Name top flight NFL prospects off USC's offense, actually I'd be surprised if people can name more than a couple players.

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:26 PM
O-F-F-E-N-S-E

On the offense.

Tackle.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Just name the starters off the offense...I doubt unless you watch the team alot or are a fan of the team you can name more than a handful.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Think demonpenz type post.

Got it.
Sometimes I need Airwolf to help me out with these types of things.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:27 PM
Okay...
It's seriously getting weird, some of the off the wall responses in this thread.

If this is a joke thread, will someone clue me in?

DN is making fun of some of our "intelligence-deficient" posters.

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:27 PM
So I'm on record, I voted Sanchez.

Pioli, might, just might, know more about football than me, though, so if he says Stafford or even Davis, cool.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:28 PM
Mecca asked for offense not defense.

What offensive positions do these guys play?

I think you should actually read what I said before replying.

O-F-F-E-N-S-E

On the offense.

Tackle.

It was a joke, the shakehead was a sign that i don't know...pardon all you assholes

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:29 PM
DN is making fun of some of our "intelligence-deficient" posters.

Thanks.
But that only explains HIS posts.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 05:29 PM
I voted Sanchez

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:29 PM
It was a joke, the shakehead was a sign that i don't know...pardon all you assholes

And you proved my point for me about Sanchez and the players he's surrounded by.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:30 PM
So I'm on record, I voted Sanchez.

Pioli, might, just might, know more about football than me, though, so if he says Stafford or even Davis, cool.

That's how I feel about it.

KcMizzou
01-14-2009, 05:30 PM
So, I'm talking football with this guy at work today.

He says, "This sucks, Herm's not going to get fired, and Detroit's going to take Stafford."

I say, "Well, I really like the sound of Sanchez too..."

"Who's that?"

"The USC QB. He announced that he's declaring."

"Ugh. No way. He'll be a bust."

WTF??? Two seconds ago you didn't know who he was!

Fuggin' morons. :mad:

I just turned and walked away.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:31 PM
People in this market think all USC players suck for some reason.

Sully
01-14-2009, 05:31 PM
It was a joke, the shakehead was a sign that i don't know...pardon all you assholes

ROFL

I wish they'd create a smiley with shrugging shoulders that more clearly let people know it was an "I don't know" post.
Why don't they?
:shrug:

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:31 PM
So, I'm talking football with this guy at work today.

He says, "This sucks, Herm's not going to get fired, and Detroit's going to take Stafford."

I say, "Well, I really like the sound of Sanchez too..."

"Who's that?"

"The USC QB. He announced that he's declaring."

"Ugh. No way. He'll be a bust."

WTF??? Two seconds ago you didn't know who he was! Fuggin' morons. :mad:

I just turned and walked away.


What's his ChiefsPlanet handle?

Does he come from a big family?

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:32 PM
ROFL

I wish they'd create a smiley with shrugging shoulders that more clearly let people know it was an "I don't know" post.
Why don't they?
:shrug:

ROFL

I hate when that happens.

Skip Towne
01-14-2009, 05:33 PM
The person that thinks USC's WR's run wide open or that Sanchez has great blocking or doesn't do much...

Name top flight NFL prospects off USC's offense, actually I'd be surprised if people can name more than a couple players.

You're probably right. I only saw USC once this year other than the Rose Bowl. We rarely see UCLA in basketball either.

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:33 PM
That's how I feel about it.

His resume is such that it's hard for me to imagine that most fans won't give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves, pardon the repetition, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he's a fucking moron.

This is a long way off.

Gravedigger
01-14-2009, 05:33 PM
Stafford or bust.

Sanchez got hurt in his 1 year college starter career more than Stafford in his 3 year career starting in Georgia. To stay away from another Croylesque QB that has good upside but can be broken, I'll take the track record of reliability. IMO Stafford is going to be a great QB in this league and I'm glad that Sanchez came out cause when I heard Bradford wasn't going to come out I thought Stafford to the Lions, then I heard Sanchez was coming out and now... there's a chance!!!

unothadeal
01-14-2009, 05:33 PM
Do we really need to worry about this anymore? I have 100% trust in Scott Pioli making the right selection.

luv
01-14-2009, 05:33 PM
So, I'm talking football with this guy at work today.

He says, "This sucks, Herm's not going to get fired, and Detroit's going to take Stafford."

I say, "Well, I really like the sound of Sanchez too..."

"Who's that?"

"The USC QB. He announced that he's declaring."

"Ugh. No way. He'll be a bust."

WTF??? Two seconds ago you didn't know who he was!

Fuggin' morons. :mad:

I just turned and walked away.

Sounds like he's not a Chiefs fan. Did he mean Herm getting fired to be a bad thing?

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 05:34 PM
His resume is such that it's hard for me to imagine that most fans won't give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves, pardon the repetition, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he's a ****ing moron.

This is a long way off.

He gets the benefit of the doubt, but Belichick is to brains of that outfit.

KcMizzou
01-14-2009, 05:34 PM
Sounds like he's not a Chiefs fan. Did he mean Herm getting fired to be a bad thing?No.

And yeah, he's a Chiefs fan.

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:34 PM
What's his ChiefsPlanet handle?


ROFL

beach tribe
01-14-2009, 05:35 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.

Stafford has been great for OU huh?

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 05:35 PM
He gets the benefit of the doubt, but Belichick is to brains of that outfit.

:shake:

My sources, whom your sources served coffee, suggest otherwise.

Hydrae
01-14-2009, 05:36 PM
Do we really need to worry about this anymore? I have 100% trust in Scott Pioli making the right selection.

Gotta love the love this guy is getting. Anything has to be good compared to Carl, eh?


Not saying I am not thrilled with this hire. I just don't expect the guy to walk on water the way it seems most around here expect.

luv
01-14-2009, 05:36 PM
No.

And yeah, he's a Chiefs fan.

Ah. I missed the part where he said "this sucks".

Shaid
01-14-2009, 05:36 PM
ROFL

I wish they'd create a smiley with shrugging shoulders that more clearly let people know it was an "I don't know" post.
Why don't they?
:shrug:

:clap:

Well done.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 05:36 PM
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Ari Chi3fs
01-14-2009, 05:39 PM
I'm going to go ahead and trust Mr. Pioli's choice on this one.

I don't think we draft a QB now... His comment about... I think I know of another qb...

For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pioli pick someone in the 3rd or 4th who turns out to be a badass.

Look for KC to go defense... or OL.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:39 PM
Stafford or bust.

Sanchez got hurt in his 1 year college starter career more than Stafford in his 3 year career starting in Georgia. To stay away from another Croylesque QB that has good upside but can be broken, I'll take the track record of reliability. IMO Stafford is going to be a great QB in this league and I'm glad that Sanchez came out cause when I heard Bradford wasn't going to come out I thought Stafford to the Lions, then I heard Sanchez was coming out and now... there's a chance!!!

Are you mildly retarded?

Sanchez never missed a game....to remotely compare him to Croyle is dumb as fuck.

What the hell is with the forum lately?

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:40 PM
I don't think we draft a QB now... His comment about... I think I know of another qb...

For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see Pioli pick someone in the 3rd or 4th who turns out to be a badass.

Look for KC to go defense... or OL.

You are aware that the Patriots line was built out of the 1st round yes?

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Are you mildly retarded?

Sanchez never missed a game....to remotely compare him to Croyle is dumb as ****.

What the hell is with the forum lately?

Well we have be subjected to Herm for the last 3 years... That alone lowers the IQ of the fanbase as a whole...

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:42 PM
Well we have be subjected to Herm for the last 3 years... That alone lowers the IQ of the fanbase as a whole...

Some of these posters are starting to hurt my brain.

dirk digler
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Where is the RG option? That is really the area we need to focus on

luv
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Stafford or bust.

Sanchez got hurt in his 1 year college starter career more than Stafford in his 3 year career starting in Georgia. To stay away from another Croylesque QB that has good upside but can be broken, I'll take the track record of reliability. IMO Stafford is going to be a great QB in this league and I'm glad that Sanchez came out cause when I heard Bradford wasn't going to come out I thought Stafford to the Lions, then I heard Sanchez was coming out and now... there's a chance!!!

If Stafford is so much better, then why wouldn't the Lions take him over Sanchez?

KCUnited
01-14-2009, 05:44 PM
Stafford for the record.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:44 PM
If Stafford is so much better, then why wouldn't the Lions take him over Sanchez?

You should probably disregard his post it's full of retardedness.

KcMizzou
01-14-2009, 05:44 PM
Some of these posters are starting to hurt my brain.It's even more annoying in person. I honestly get to where I avoid talking about it, because I just end up getting pissed.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:45 PM
It's even more annoying in person. I honestly get to where I avoid talking about it, because I just end up getting pissed.

LOL...see I get pissed off because I have a real problem with stupid people.

I will literally respond with, man you are one dumb motherfucker.

dirk digler
01-14-2009, 05:48 PM
I am one dumb motherfucker.

Why are talking shit about yourself?

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 05:48 PM
No Thigpen option?

Hydrae
01-14-2009, 05:51 PM
No Thigpen option?

Thigpen is going back into the draft? Damn it Scott! :cuss:

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:51 PM
Why are talking shit about yourself?

Har har....

I don't remotely get close to as bad as alot of people do..just flip on 810 for a half hour.

dirk digler
01-14-2009, 05:52 PM
Har har....

I don't remotely get close to as bad as alot of people do..just flip on 810 for a half hour.

I am just messing with you

Turn on 610 now. This host is saying Herm should come back because they may lose the young players if he doesn't come back

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:53 PM
I am just messing with you

Turn on 610 now. This host is saying Herm should come back because they may lose the young players if he doesn't come back

Yea that guy's a dumbass, he says we don't need a QB either, because you don't need a franchise QB.

Gravedigger
01-14-2009, 05:53 PM
Are you mildly retarded?

Sanchez never missed a game....to remotely compare him to Croyle is dumb as ****.

What the hell is with the forum lately?

Wow I'm pretty sure that Sanchez had a leg injury right before the season am I right? I remember seeing a clip before the season about Sanchez maybe missing the season opener walking around on crutches with a brace on. That makes me mildly retarded?

You guys can promote Sanchez all you want but I'll bet my bottom dollar that Sanchez will not be better than Carson Palmer and will just be a pretty face that comes out of a USC football program. Maluaga will be ten times the player that Sanchez will be. If we take Sanchez with the #3 pick, Pioli or not, then I"ll believe that we're mildly retarded. You can argue against me but in five years I'll still stand by the correct assessment that Stafford will be better than Sanchez.

And comparing a QB that was injured to another QB that was injured isn't dumb as shit, stop defending your USC boys so brazenly and accept that I have my opinions and you have yours.

Go to http:/articles.latimes.com/2008/aug/09/sports/sp-sanchez9

I never said that Sanchez missed games due to his injury, but the fact that he was just in practice and dislocated his knee cap is pretty unheard of for a QB that he just moved the wrong way and got injured.

This isn't the only point I have for not wanting Sanchez, but in someone that got injured strictly off of a practice throw makes me a little weary of his durability against top tier defenses. This year he didn't really face any top tier defenses outside of the rose bowl game.

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 05:53 PM
I am just messing with you

This host is saying Herm should come back because they may lose the young players if he doesn't come back

WTF??

I seriously dont get this argument.

Some people act like Herm is the only coach in america who can coach up young players???

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:54 PM
If you don't miss a game due to injury it's not significant now is it?

And it's not a remote reason to start bringing up Brodie Croyle who misses seasons...you took an injury that caused no missed game time and compared him to Croyle that means I can call you retarded.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 05:54 PM
WTF??

I seriously dont get this argument.

Some people act like Herm is the only coach in america who can coach up young players???

And he has failed at it for 3 years...

See our DL for player development...

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:56 PM
Only a poster on chiefsplanet can try to compare a guy who had a minor injury and missed no games to a guy who's blown out both his knees and blew up his shoulder...

Yea those 2 players are obviously comparable in the injury front.

milkman
01-14-2009, 05:56 PM
I think they both have huge upside.

I would like to see either drafted and groomed on the bench, Stafford because he needs to mature as a decision maker and Sanchez because he has much less time starting in college.

If I had to choose one that I felt could make the transition to starting in the NFL right away, that would be Sanchez because of his maturity and composure.

Braincase
01-14-2009, 05:56 PM
I chose Sanchez. After watching a few games, I think Sanchez plays in a more NFL-like offense. I'm not opposed, however, to drafting Andre Smith, sucking for another year, then drafting a QB next year. Next years draft is going to be QB rich, whereas this draft might see 3 first round QB's total.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 05:57 PM
Some of you guys should start drinking bottled water.

There has to be a dangerous level of lead in what you're currently drinking.

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 05:58 PM
Im wondering why Bradford chose to stay?

Was he frightened by being taken by the Lions?

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 05:58 PM
Next years draft is going to be QB rich, whereas this draft might see 3 first round QB's total.

Umm the best from that junior class just came out.

Ari Chi3fs
01-14-2009, 05:59 PM
You are aware that the Patriots line was built out of the 1st round yes?

yes, now that you mention it. So, I don't think the Chiefs get Sanchez OR Stafford.

Probably OL Alabama or Ole Miss in first round... or a massive attempt to trade down to someone who HAS to have stafford or sanchez.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Im wondering why Bradford chose to stay?

Was he frightened by being taken by the Lions?

He knows that he will be picked apart in workouts and tape study....

Gravedigger
01-14-2009, 06:01 PM
If you don't miss a game due to injury it's not significant now is it?

And it's not a remote reason to start bringing up Brodie Croyle who misses seasons...you took an injury that caused no missed game time and compared him to Croyle that means I can call you retarded.

Riiiiiight, ok I'll give you the Croyle thing I didnt need to bring it up,

BUT

Mark Sanchez almost got taken out on a practice play snap where his KNEE buckled out on him. His coach even said "We got lucky"

Read the damn article you might learn a thing or two. I don't want a QB that has the propensity to break himself in practice. Those are the facts, deny them as you wish.

Rigodan
01-14-2009, 06:02 PM
I chose Sanchez. After watching a few games, I think Sanchez plays in a more NFL-like offense. I'm not opposed, however, to drafting Andre Smith, sucking for another year, then drafting a QB next year. Next years draft is going to be QB rich, whereas this draft might see 3 first round QB's total.

Who's gonna be there next year besides Bradford?

Mecca
01-14-2009, 06:02 PM
Maybe when you know how the injury happened I'll respect your opinion of it because it didn't happen on a snap....

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:04 PM
Riiiiiight, ok I'll give you the Croyle thing I didnt need to bring it up,

BUT

Mark Sanchez almost got taken out on a practice play snap where his KNEE buckled out on him. His coach even said "We got lucky"

Read the damn article you might learn a thing or two. I don't want a QB that has the propensity to break himself in practice. Those are the facts, deny them as you wish.

So, let me see if I understand this.

You don't want Sanchez cause he almost got injured, which makes him almost injury prone, right?

Rigodan
01-14-2009, 06:05 PM
Riiiiiight, ok I'll give you the Croyle thing I didnt need to bring it up,

BUT

Mark Sanchez almost got taken out on a practice play snap where his KNEE buckled out on him. His coach even said "We got lucky"

Read the damn article you might learn a thing or two. I don't want a QB that has the propensity to break himself in practice. Those are the facts, deny them as you wish.

I don't think you pass up a franchise qb because something bad almost happened in practice one time.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 06:07 PM
I don't think you pass up a franchise qb because something bad almost happened in practice one time.

I heard he got a paper cut on his throwing hand in Biology class once.

Mecca
01-14-2009, 06:07 PM
I heard he got a paper cut on his throwing hand in Biology class once.

There was that time the drunk girl almost puked on him.

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:09 PM
I voted Stafford, but I'd be just as happy with Sanchez.

Rigodan
01-14-2009, 06:10 PM
I heard the real reason Brady Quinn dropped was because he accidently zipped himself after going to the bathroom

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 06:10 PM
I cant wait until we get the:

"Lets take Crabtree at #3" threads....

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:11 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.LMAO

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:13 PM
it should, Elway was a much better quarterback imo

Elway could win a game with a minimal surrounding cast
Elway won a championship as soon as he got a decent running game

Trent Green was surrounded by talent and hung on for the rideFYP

luv
01-14-2009, 06:13 PM
I think they both have huge upside.

I would like to see either drafted and groomed on the bench, Stafford because he needs to mature as a decision maker and Sanchez because he has much less time starting in college.

If I had to choose one that I felt could make the transition to starting in the NFL right away, that would be Sanchez because of his maturity and composure.

I was talking to my dad, and he said he was hoping we didn't get Stafford because he felt he wasn't a good decision maker. Just because someone can play under center doesn't automatically mean they're going to make it in the NFL. Look at the examples from this year. Ryan and Flacco have proven to be smart quarterbacks. Is that something that can be learned? He thinks that we're going to end up trading down and picking up a QB next year.

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:15 PM
well... Detroit needs a QB. So do the Rams Bulger isn't it long term. waiting for Chiefsplanet blow up when they are gone
and we trade down.
Unless Bulger agrees to a pay cut, they are not drafting a QB 2nd overall.

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:16 PM
I was talking to my dad, and he said he was hoping we didn't get Stafford because he felt he wasn't a good decision maker. His numbers this season would beg to differ.

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:18 PM
I was talking to my dad, and he said he was hoping we didn't get Stafford because he felt he wasn't a good decision maker. Just because someone can play under center doesn't automatically mean they're going to make it in the NFL. Look at the examples from this year. Ryan and Flacco have proven to be smart quarterbacks. Is that something that can be learned? He thinks that we're going to end up trading down and picking up a QB next year.

In Stafford's case, I think it is just a question of maturity.

He's got a strong arm, and like many young QBs with a strong, feels that he can make plays that aren't there.

Some kids grow out of that, and Stafford seems to have a good head on his shoulders, so I think he will learn.

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:20 PM
His numbers this season would beg to differ.

He's improved from year to year, but he was still making questionable decisions.

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 06:21 PM
He thinks that we're going to end up trading down and picking up a QB next year.

How many bad teams with one of the top 3 picks, with no QBoTF on the roster, dont pick a QB?


Unless Pioli wants to bring in a free agent starter, all signs point to the Chiefs selecting a QB.

Especially since 2 top tier guys have declared. You dont pass on talent like that.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 06:22 PM
In Stafford's case, I think it is just a question of maturity.

He's got a strong arm, and like many young QBs with a strong, feels that he can make plays that aren't there.

Some kids grow out of that, and Stafford seems to have a good head on his shoulders, so I think he will learn.

Excuse my ignorance or if you've mentioned it before, but who do you choose say both are available at 3?

Frosty
01-14-2009, 06:22 PM
Are you mildly retarded?

Sanchez never missed a game....to remotely compare him to Croyle is dumb as ****.

What the hell is with the forum lately?

Petro was going on and on yesterday about how Sanchez was a walking injury and couldn't be counted on to play 16 games. :spock: I think people are just picking up on that dumbassery, since they don't have a clue.

luv
01-14-2009, 06:22 PM
He's improved from year to year, but he was still making questionable decisions.

He was concerned with the fact that he tends to like to throw into double coverage. Can't do that against an NFL defense.

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 06:24 PM
He was concerned with the fact that he tends to like to throw into double coverage. Can't do that against an NFL defense.

Elway and Favre would like to disagree with that.

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Based on just the Bowl games they played in, I was much more impressed with Sanchez.

And let me say this one more time:

That Rose Bowl performance was NOT some great "parting of the clouds by the hand of God to let the light shine down on Mark Sanchez on this one glorious game", it was another day in the life, and business...as...usual.

And if you want to make Aikman comparisons, that's fine as long as people understand that it's an "Aikman minus the brain dead/autistic slap-fight"-factor, with Peyton Manning's footwork thrown in to boot.

I'm happy with either guy, and I'm very happy that we can draft and develop a franchise QB now that the pretenders have gone back to class.

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Excuse my ignorance or if you've mentioned it before, but who do you choose say both are available at 3?

Right now, I'm leaning in Sanchez's direction, but a mild breeze could sway me in the other direction.

That's how close I see them.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Unless Bulger agrees to a pay cut, they are not drafting a QB 2nd overall.

Was reading a Ram board the other day and they were pretty sure they could get Sanchez in round 2 or 3 ROFL

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 06:28 PM
Petro was going on and on yesterday about how Sanchez was a walking injury and couldn't be counted on to play 16 games. :spock: I think people are just picking up on that dumbassery, since they don't have a clue.

Soren Petro is a crap-flinging chimpanzee with a spine akin to jelly. He licked Carl's loafers like an Indonesian prostitute until Clark shit-canned his ass.

OnTheWarpath58
01-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Was reading a Ram board the other day and they were pretty sure they could get Sanchez in round 2 or 3 ROFL

You can read the same dipshittery about Sanchez here.

luv
01-14-2009, 06:30 PM
Elway and Favre would like to disagree with that.

And how many times were they picked off? What kind of receivers did they have compared to us?

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:31 PM
He was concerned with the fact that he tends to like to throw into double coverage. Can't do that against an NFL defense.

He's right, and that's one of the things he'll learn quickly in the NFL.

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:33 PM
Elway and Favre would like to disagree with that.

Elway learned that he couldn't get away with it all the time, and his decisions weren't nearly as stupid as Favre's.

Favre was just a dumbshit.

Boris The Great
01-14-2009, 06:38 PM
Was reading a Ram board the other day and they were pretty sure they could get Sanchez in round 2 or 3 ROFL

To be fair, there are probably boards pointing here and laughing because people think Sanchez became a top 3 pick the minute he declared.

philfree
01-14-2009, 06:40 PM
The question is does Stafford and Sanchez = Manning and Leaf with a boom and a bust? Or are they gonna be like Manning and Rivers with a boom and a boom? Or god forbid will they turn out like Carr and Herrington and be a nice pair of busts?

PhilFree:arrow:

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-14-2009, 06:40 PM
You can read the same dipshittery about Sanchez here.

Alot of people really don't realize how good of a prospect this guy is. You bring him up to most average football fans and they have no clue he's a potential top 3 pick.

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 06:42 PM
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Fire the missile, launch the rocket, or float it on in or over the shoulder; is there anything this guy can't do?

It wouldn't even be luck or good maneuvering to land this kid, it would be straight-up Karmic Justice for DECADES of stupidity, pain, and suffering.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-14-2009, 06:43 PM
To be fair, there are probably boards pointing here and laughing because people think Sanchez became a top 3 pick the minute he declared.

Do you really think he would have declared if he hadn't been given the impression he'd be a top 5 pick?

luv
01-14-2009, 06:46 PM
To be fair, there are probably boards pointing here and laughing because people think Sanchez became a top 3 pick the minute he declared.

We're not the only ones. I was watching SC while I was working out today, and they said they weren't for sure if Sanchez might actually go before Stafford.

Gravedigger
01-14-2009, 06:47 PM
I heard he got a paper cut on his throwing hand in Biology class once.

Nice turnaround, what I'm saying is that the guy was passing to a reciever in PRACTICE and dislocated his knee cap. That's what I'm saying, if you'd read what was in my post instead of what you wanted to read you'll see I said that theres a bunch more reasons why I believe Stafford is better than Sanchez. I believe that at that position you'll see that Maluaga is better than Sanchez in overall productivity. Sanchez IMO is no better than Lienart was with that system.

Here's some simple dialect for ya:

Matthew Stafford, no injuries during starts at Georgia.

Mark Sanchez, dislocated his knee in practice while throwing the ball.

Mark Sanchez in one year has had more injuries than Matthew Stafford in three.

AGAIN that is not the only reason I wouldn't take Sanchez over Stafford, I believe Sanchez is a good QB but not worthy of a top 3 pick. He comes from a system at USC that has been put in place there for many years and makes all QB's look good. Hell John David Booty looked good at USC, given not as good as Sanchez. Matt Stafford had a poor Oline, a bad defense, and almost as many wins as Sanchez. Sanchez had one of the best defenses, a good Oline, good recievers that didnt drop too many balls... hell he had USC! I know what Sanchez is capable of but if you're talking about Stafford or Sanchez my vote is Stafford, but hey thats what makes forums great they are prime places for you to voice your opinion and then have it mercilessly ridiculed by those whose opinions differ.

suds79
01-14-2009, 06:50 PM
You know for as much as I've heard people bang on Bradford stating that it's nearly impossible to evaluate him given the talent he's surrounded by, I'm surprised Sanchez seems to get more of a pass on this.

Give me Stafford.

milkman
01-14-2009, 06:54 PM
You know for as much as I've heard people bang on Bradford stating that it's nearly impossible to evaluate him given the talent he's surrounded by, I'm surprised Sanchez seems to get more of a pass on this.

Give me Stafford.

Sanchez has faced a lot of pressure and taken a lot of hits.

He isn't surrounded by the talent that Bradford was, and he plays in a pro set.

BigMeatballDave
01-14-2009, 06:59 PM
He was concerned with the fact that he tends to like to throw into double coverage. Can't do that against an NFL defense.You're right, in a way. You can, though, when you have the arm that Stafford does.

evolve27
01-14-2009, 07:06 PM
Fire the missile, launch the rocket, or float it on in or over the shoulder; is there anything this guy can't do?

It wouldn't even be luck or good maneuvering to land this kid, it would be straight-up Karmic Justice for DECADES of stupidity, pain, and suffering.

Dude, I hope if we get him, we can trade down a few spots and pray that we can pick up more 1st/2nd/3rd rnd draft picks. #3 seems kind of high to me. Hope he turns what alot of people say he can do here to good stuff in the Pros.

58-4ever
01-14-2009, 07:07 PM
You're right, in a way. You can, though, when you have the arm that Stafford does.

Sanchez has a pretty big arm too. I really hope we land him. I saw Stafford play four times this year, I was only really impressed once. Though, based on potential, I wouldn't cry in my beer if we landed either one.

88TG88
01-14-2009, 07:13 PM
The person that thinks USC's WR's run wide open or that Sanchez has great blocking or doesn't do much...

Name top flight NFL prospects off USC's offense, actually I'd be surprised if people can name more than a couple players.

I can name a couple players without using google...

Ronald Johnson
Blake Ayles
Damian Williams
Joe Mcknight
Stafon Johnson
CJ Gable
David Ausberry
Vidal Hazelton (:()
Patrick Turner
Stanley Havili
Marc Tyler
Broderick Green (played with him for a few games)
Curtis Mcneal ????

this is what he worked with in 08

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 07:19 PM
Dude, I hope if we get him, we can trade down a few spots and pray that we can pick up more 1st/2nd/3rd rnd draft picks. #3 seems kind of high to me. Hope he turns what alot of people say he can do here to good stuff in the Pros.

Prior to watching more college QB film than I ever wanted to in this life, I was ready to say "fuck it" and let Thigpen go unchallenged. After watching the Novelty-O fizzle out, I came to understand that we HAD to use that top pick to secure a pro-system, franchise QB for the long haul ahead.

That established, I can say without a doubt that Mark Sanchez is the ONLY current college QB I'd put on the field at Arrowhead TODAY and be confident about the decision.

dorseybowe
01-14-2009, 07:21 PM
Staffchez

88TG88
01-14-2009, 07:25 PM
Don't know if this was posted
"Mark is waiting for Coach [Pete] Carroll to return from Hawaii, which is tonight," Nick Sanchez said. "Mark didn't want to do anything without Coach Carroll."
Nick Sanchez said his son will meet with Carroll either Wednesday night or early Thursday.

"Mark has gone both ways on this," Nick Sanchez said, "and he is still undecided."

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 07:34 PM
Sanchez will be on the bench his entire first year.

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 07:39 PM
Sanchez has faced a lot of pressure and taken a lot of hits.

He isn't surrounded by the talent that Bradford was, and he plays in a pro set.

Sanchez hasn't faced all that much pressure. How many games was USC down where Sanchez had to bring them back?

08/30/08 @ Virginia W 52-7
09/13/08 9 Ohio St. W 35-3
09/25/08 @ 18 Oregon St. L 21-27
10/04/08 10 Oregon W 44-10
10/11/08 Arizona St. W 28-0
10/18/08 @ Washington St. W 69-0
10/25/08 @ Arizona W 17-10
11/01/08 Washington W 56-0
11/08/08 California W 17-3
11/15/08 @ Stanford W 45-23
11/29/08 Notre Dame W 38-3
12/06/08 @ UCLA W 28-7
01/01/09 + 8 Penn St. W 38-24

He's a hell of a prospect, but almost all of the Bradford criticisms apply to Sanchez. He just doesn't have enough experience to justify a top 10 pick.

LOCOChief
01-14-2009, 08:05 PM
He knows that he will be picked apart in workouts and tape study....


Not hardly. Your saying he's holding out because he fears the criticism? But your joking right?

If SB was on the list, he'd be my pick, but I'd be curious to see how either Sanchez or Stafford would develope. I'll bet the three will play quite a few NFL games when all said and done.

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 08:42 PM
When is Frankie going to come in and say they are both 4th round picks.

Mr. Arrowhead
01-14-2009, 08:47 PM
anybody knows what Sanchez projects as

FringeNC
01-14-2009, 08:49 PM
I'll go on record now as saying Pioli will pick neither of them, and trade down.

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 08:53 PM
I'll go on record now as saying Pioli will pick neither of them, and trade down.

"Meh" on you! Meh I say!:D

DrRyan
01-14-2009, 09:08 PM
Elway and Favre would like to disagree with that.

So now CP posters are already comparing Stafford to Elway and Favre because he has a strong arm? Premature much?

Ultra Peanut
01-14-2009, 09:08 PM
Sanchez is like Lex Luger's nickname, but a Stafford is fine also.

rolstrol
01-14-2009, 09:22 PM
Sanchez will be on the bench his entire first year.

Stafford will likely be on the bench as well.

Gravedigger
01-14-2009, 09:35 PM
anybody knows what Sanchez projects as

On Scout's Inc 32 Sanchez is at 11 and Stafford is 12 or 13. I hate to say it but Pioli does like to trade down, if Sanchez or Stafford is sitting there at 3 and some team wants to jump up badly enough I think he might pull the trigger mostly because I don't know how he will evaluate the two of them, but I know he doesn't like high picks. The highest he ever drafted was 6th with Richard Seymour.

JASONSAUTO
01-14-2009, 09:50 PM
In Stafford's case, I think it is just a question of maturity.

He's got a strong arm, and like many young QBs with a strong, feels that he can make plays that aren't there.

Some kids grow out of that, and Stafford seems to have a good head on his shoulders, so I think he will learn.

some dont though(see brett farve)

milkman
01-14-2009, 09:53 PM
some dont though(see brett farve)

Yeah, I said Favre is a dumbass.

JASONSAUTO
01-14-2009, 09:55 PM
Yeah, I said Favre is a dumbass.

just saw that post sorry.

KChiefs1
01-14-2009, 09:55 PM
I voted Sanchez because USC has produced better NFL QB's than Georgia.

Molitoth
01-14-2009, 09:56 PM
I say go after Bradford in 2010. Use Thigpen in 2009 and draft OL and DL.

Mr. Kotter
01-14-2009, 10:01 PM
Stafford...

:spock:

Mr. Kotter
01-14-2009, 10:02 PM
Sanchez....

:)

:hmmm:

milkman
01-14-2009, 10:02 PM
I say go after Bradford in 2010. Use Thigpen in 2009 and draft OL and DL.

Okay, let's say, for the sake of argument, that Bradford is as good as some seem to think he is.

And for the sake of argument, the Chiefs improve their lines, and get better play all around and finish with 5 or 6 wins and are picking around 8th or 9th overall in next years draft.

How do you suppose they are going to get a shot at Bradford, who will be a top 5 pick if he's as good as some think?

Mr. Kotter
01-14-2009, 10:03 PM
Oh, this is WAAAAYYYYYYY easy....

Sanchez. DEFINITELY, Sanchez. :thumb:

Mr. Kotter
01-14-2009, 10:05 PM
I say go after Bradford in 2010. Use Thigpen in 2009 and draft OL and DL.

Bradford is a bit young right now; too bad....otherwise Sanchez would have some real competition....

:hmmm:

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 10:09 PM
Sanchez....

:)

:hmmm:

This! :bravo::toast:

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 10:13 PM
Stafford...

:spock:

Is that Edith Bunker?! LMAO

At this juncture, I'd say a re post of Herm and his "White Stallion/Magic-mobile" is in order:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/lightbringerrr/1b80aff4.png

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 10:28 PM
sounds like Stafford is staying at OU.
see you next year when we are 4-12 or 5-11.

My fucking god.......and we wonder why BB's get a bad rap. WTF STFU

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 10:39 PM
Do we trade down to get Sanchez?

WTF is going on around here? First of all you have to have someone to trade with. Trading down is VERY hard. Everyone on here acts like......well lets take this guy and if isn't there we will just trade down, no biggy. GUYS IT IS NOT THAT EASY!

Were the hell do you trade down to get him? These gys could go 1, 2. We should get a shot at 3, but trading down will most likely not be an option if we want QB.

For Christ sakes, wake up. Right now we should be happy that both Stafford, and Sanchez even came out early.

Pablo
01-14-2009, 10:39 PM
I voted Stafford, but I'm totally cool with either one.

I won't shed a single tear if we have to draft Sanchez.

Pablo
01-14-2009, 10:41 PM
On Scout's Inc 32 Sanchez is at 11 and Stafford is 12 or 13. I hate to say it but Pioli does like to trade down, if Sanchez or Stafford is sitting there at 3 and some team wants to jump up badly enough I think he might pull the trigger mostly because I don't know how he will evaluate the two of them, but I know he doesn't like high picks. The highest he ever drafted was 6th with Richard Seymour.
I don't think that means he "doesn't like high picks", he just hasn't really been in that situation before...

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 10:42 PM
It's hard to pick since both work out of the spread. I'm not big on prospects that don't come from a pro-style offense.

That said, I have hopes that Thigpen *might* be able to groom one of these guys. But Tyler is only one man, with only one skeleton...

Okay I guess my sarcasm meter must be broke

dj56dt58
01-14-2009, 10:43 PM
Aikman and Elway had defenses

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 10:49 PM
So, I'm talking football with this guy at work today.

He says, "This sucks, Herm's not going to get fired, and Detroit's going to take Stafford."

I say, "Well, I really like the sound of Sanchez too..."

"Who's that?"

"The USC QB. He announced that he's declaring."

"Ugh. No way. He'll be a bust."

WTF??? Two seconds ago you didn't know who he was!

Fuggin' morons. :mad:

I just turned and walked away.

I was told by a guy tonight at the bar that he was injury prone and that he is just another Croyle. Another big Chiefs fan said, "Fuck him" I HATE USC. I said, we are talking about the Chiefs, not your hatred for certain teams. He replied, "whatever, fuck him".

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 10:49 PM
Aikman and Elway had defenses

And running backs who carried 50% of the offensive load.

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 10:51 PM
Stafford or bust.

Sanchez got hurt in his 1 year college starter career more than Stafford in his 3 year career starting in Georgia. To stay away from another Croylesque QB that has good upside but can be broken, I'll take the track record of reliability. IMO Stafford is going to be a great QB in this league and I'm glad that Sanchez came out cause when I heard Bradford wasn't going to come out I thought Stafford to the Lions, then I heard Sanchez was coming out and now... there's a chance!!!

Did I meet you tonight ROFL

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 10:52 PM
I was told by a guy tonight at the bar that he was injury prone and that he is just another Croyle. Another big Chiefs fan said, "Fuck him" I HATE USC. I said, we are talking about the Chiefs, not your hatred for certain teams. He replied, "whatever, fuck him".


How the FUCK does one dislocated knee cap make Sanchez "another Brodie Croyle"?!?

That's just straight-up DFTF:

DUMB FUCK TRUE FAN.

dj56dt58
01-14-2009, 10:55 PM
And running backs who carried 50% of the offensive load.

right, so I say we build up our front 7 and our offensive line and get a rb that can handle a lot of carries. we already have a good change of pace guy in Charles. Thigpen is fine and can win a SB with a great defense and a great running attack IF he can learn to take snaps under center, which I believe he can

ChiefsCountry
01-14-2009, 11:04 PM
Thigpen is fine and can win a SB with a great defense and a great running attack IF he can learn to take snaps under center, which I believe he can

Clayton has the same shot at boinking Carrie Underwood as Thigpen winning a Super Bowl.

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 11:14 PM
right, so I say we build up our front 7 and our offensive line and get a rb that can handle a lot of carries. we already have a good change of pace guy in Charles. Thigpen is fine and can win a SB with a great defense and a great running attack IF he can learn to take snaps under center, which I believe he can

If I've learned ONE THING from "The Tragedy of Darth LaDanian The Douche", it's that TWO SOLID RB's performing Running Back By Committee is something better established early rather than LATE.

That position is a beater. Hell, look at Terrell Davis. I've advocated and will CONTINUE to advocate the Two-Back Set. Used properly in the "I" formation, and with a QB who's misdirection skills are top-notch( Mark Sanchez, thank you ), it provides extra blocking/hole opening. and enough hesitation on the part of even the best defense to turn a two-yard gain in to 4 or 5.
Let's get Mike Cox involved, and rotate our Tailbacks.

Frankie
01-14-2009, 11:18 PM
Stafford - Elway
Sanchez - Aikman

Doesnt matter to me which one.

WTF? That's got to be one of the du..... Never mind.

Frankie
01-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Between the two mentioned I'd take Sanchez. But I still insist neither has shown enough to be worth the 3rd pick of the draft.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-14-2009, 11:22 PM
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Here's my choice. A picture says 1000 words.

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 11:23 PM
How the FUCK does one dislocated knee cap make Sanchez "another Brodie Croyle"?!?

That's just straight-up DFTF:

DUMB FUCK TRUE FAN.

Fuck!! I agree with you. I must be fucked up :eek:

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 11:27 PM
Here's my choice. A picture says 1000 words.

I like the guy, think he is very solid and will have and easy transition to the NFL...

Dude has an arm and some serious accuracy...

As long as Herm is gone, Lets get him and start building this mother!

dj56dt58
01-14-2009, 11:32 PM
Clayton has the same shot at boinking Carrie Underwood as Thigpen winning a Super Bowl.

Trent Dilfer did...he had a great defense. Defense wins championships..thats not just a saying

dj56dt58
01-14-2009, 11:33 PM
If I've learned ONE THING from "The Tragedy of Darth LaDanian The Douche", it's that TWO SOLID RB's performing Running Back By Committee is something better established early rather than LATE.

That position is a beater. Hell, look at Terrell Davis. I've advocated and will CONTINUE to advocate the Two-Back Set. Used properly in the "I" formation, and with a QB who's misdirection skills are top-notch( Mark Sanchez, thank you ), it provides extra blocking/hole opening. and enough hesitation on the part of even the best defense to turn a two-yard gain in to 4 or 5.
Let's get Mike Cox involved, and rotate our Tailbacks.

not a rbbc, something like the Chargers have with LT and Sproles the Giants have with Jacobs and Ward, the Cowboys have with Barber and Jones, what we originally started with Priest and LJ

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 11:34 PM
Trent Dilfer did...he had a great defense. Defense wins championships..thats not just a saying

He is an exception to the rule, not the rule.

This place is getting weird.......

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 11:34 PM
Fuck!! I agree with you. I must be fucked up :eek:

When you get that Okie-Bug out of your system, you'll be SURPRISED at all of the possibilities that open up!

:toast:

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 11:35 PM
He is an exception to the rule, not the rule.

This place is getting weird.......

Dilfer was a 1st round QB also....

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 11:36 PM
When you get that Okie-Bug out of your system, you'll be SURPRISED at all of the possibilities that open up!

:toast:

I HATE OU

smittysbar
01-14-2009, 11:36 PM
Dilfer was a 1st round QB also....

And...........

Darth CarlSatan
01-14-2009, 11:41 PM
not a rbbc, something like the Chargers have with LT and Sproles the Giants have with Jacobs and Ward, the Cowboys have with Barber and Jones, what we originally started with Priest and LJ

That's what I meant. That said, having the Full Back in there makes all the difference.
He has to be able to match or excel initial burst/speed with your Tailback though. When you run a 30-base, he's your lead blocker. Your linemen open the hole, and your Fullback takes out at least one Safety.

But you know this shit, so I'll just shut up now.

ChiefsCountry
01-15-2009, 12:08 AM
Trent Dilfer did...he had a great defense. Defense wins championships..thats not just a saying

Trent Dilfer was also a top 10 draft pick.

Pablo
01-15-2009, 12:11 AM
It's great that when I watch either one of these guys highlight videos..I'm saying "holy shit" over and over again at some of the great plays and throws.

I love the way Sanchez looks off safeties and uses the pump to beat coverage...pretty nice shit..

JASONSAUTO
01-15-2009, 12:12 AM
I like the guy, think he is very solid and will have and easy transition to the NFL...

Dude has an arm and some serious accuracy...

As long as Herm is gone, Lets get him and start building this mother!

HELL YES

Darth CarlSatan
01-15-2009, 12:25 AM
It's great that when I watch either one of these guys highlight videos..I'm saying "holy shit" over and over again at some of the great plays and throws.

I love the way Sanchez looks off safeties and uses the pump to beat coverage...pretty nice shit..

Master of Misdirection. I have to say that I'm thankful to you fucktards for riding my ass and thereby pushing me to look deeper in to these matters. I probably would have missed Mark altogether were it not for my burning hatred of being chumped at The Planet.
Enough of that; let's go to class again!

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kysirsoze
01-15-2009, 01:06 AM
So I'm on record, I voted Sanchez.

Pioli, might, just might, know more about football than me, though, so if he says Stafford or even Davis, cool.

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Mecca
01-15-2009, 01:13 AM
Ok first and foremost to clear this up quicky..Sanchez did not injure his knee throwing a pass...he was playing catch with a LB, a tradition at the school and jumped up to catch a pass and came down awkwardly, it turned out to be nothing as he missed no game time..

That is his 1 injury and he's never missed time due to injury now we have people calling him injury prone it just makes 0 sense...

As far as decision making, last year we had people going apeshit that Matt Ryan is a bad decision maker because he threw 17 or 18 INT's, there's a hell of alot more than the INT stat that reflects decision making.

luv
01-15-2009, 06:54 AM
Okay, let's say, for the sake of argument, that Bradford is as good as some seem to think he is.

And for the sake of argument, the Chiefs improve their lines, and get better play all around and finish with 5 or 6 wins and are picking around 8th or 9th overall in next years draft.

How do you suppose they are going to get a shot at Bradford, who will be a top 5 pick if he's as good as some think?

It looks like people are expecting great things from Pioli, yet still think we'll absolutely suck next year while others improve. I don't know what they're on, but I certainly don't want any of it. I think they've fried their brains.

smittysbar
01-15-2009, 07:03 AM
Ok first and foremost to clear this up quicky..Sanchez did not injure his knee throwing a pass...he was playing catch with a LB, a tradition at the school and jumped up to catch a pass and came down awkwardly, it turned out to be nothing as he missed no game time..

That is his 1 injury and he's never missed time due to injury now we have people calling him injury prone it just makes 0 sense...

As far as decision making, last year we had people going apeshit that Matt Ryan is a bad decision maker because he threw 17 or 18 INT's, there's a hell of alot more than the INT stat that reflects decision making.

My post may have sounded wrong, I think it is absurd to call him injury prone. It shocked me when the guy at the bar said it. I didn't know were he got his info, because he is ussually a well informed, smart, Chiefs fan.

Then I come on here when I gt home and realize 810 was sayin it..........and he was listening to 810 yesterday.

beach tribe
01-15-2009, 07:09 AM
Ok first and foremost to clear this up quicky..Sanchez did not injure his knee throwing a pass...he was playing catch with a LB, a tradition at the school and jumped up to catch a pass and came down awkwardly, it turned out to be nothing as he missed no game time..

That is his 1 injury and he's never missed time due to injury now we have people calling him injury prone it just makes 0 sense...

As far as decision making, last year we had people going apeshit that Matt Ryan is a bad decision maker because he threw 17 or 18 INT's, there's a hell of alot more than the INT stat that reflects decision making.
I like the guy, I want the guy, but have only really seen a game or two, and the highlights. Got any examples of him being the difference. Him coming back to win the game. Sure didn't do against Oregon. Blew it.

Frosty
01-15-2009, 07:35 AM
I like the guy, I want the guy, but have only really seen a game or two, and the highlights. Got any examples of him being the difference. Him coming back to win the game. Sure didn't do against Oregon. Blew it.

USC smoked Oregon.

Now, if you are talking about Oregon State, that loss wasn't really on Sanchez. It was clear that the USC gameplan was to come and run the ball. The Beavs shut it down and kept Sanchez off the field by running Quizz down their throat.

In the second half, they turned Sanchez loose and he scored 21 points in the second half. If it wasn't for a INT thrown by Sanchez when he got hit while throwing and some really bizarre play-calling (direct snaps to the running back, who then fumbles it), USC comes back to win that, IMO.

beach tribe
01-15-2009, 07:41 AM
USC smoked Oregon.

Now, if you are talking about Oregon State, that loss wasn't really on Sanchez. It was clear that the USC gameplan was to come and run the ball. The Beavs shut it down and kept Sanchez off the field by running Quizz down their throat.

In the second half, they turned Sanchez loose and he scored 21 points in the second half. If it wasn't for a INT thrown by Sanchez when he got hit while throwing and some really bizarre play-calling (direct snaps to the running back, who then fumbles it), USC comes back to win that, IMO.

Umm, the video above shows Sanchez, with no one in his face, throw a pick into coverage on the opponents 15 yrd line, with about 20 sec to play. down by a touch.

EyePod
01-15-2009, 07:44 AM
I'm worried about how few games Sanchez has started.

I agree. There was an article somewhere about how you need a QB to come out of college who has at least 3 years experience and has shown improvement over those years in most categories. Otherwise, he needs to have a few years under a solid veteran QB (which we don't have) before he becomes any better.

ct
01-15-2009, 07:45 AM
Sorry haven't read thru the whole thread. I voted DE (kinda moot since Bradford returning to OU, but anyway...). EDIT: DOH! Should really read more carefully there... I still vote DE for #3 over a QB, but honestly, I'd be cool with LT, moving Albert to G or RT.

I have less and less time for draft research, not up to speed at all. What's the sentiment, is Sanchez worth an early 2nd? 3rd? Where should he slot on the board?

el borracho
01-15-2009, 07:48 AM
Do we really need to worry about this anymore? I have 100% trust in Scott Pioli making the right selection.

I really doubt that Pioli has his choice of the top two QBs- Detroit will almost certainly take one... or did you mean you trust Pioli to take the right player, even if it isn't a QB?

Frosty
01-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Umm, the video above shows Sanchez, with no one in his face, throw a pick into coverage on the opponents 15 yrd line, with about 20 sec to play. down by a touch.

Don't think so. The pick came with 2:40 left. Sanchez has a guy hitting him in the knees as he tries to step into the throw and the ball sails slightly. Layborn, the safety, is behind the receiver and picks it and returns it to the 1 yard line. The Beavs score on the first play and miss the EP. Score is 27-14 with about 2 minutes left.

USC gets the ball and drives down and scores a TD with about 40 seconds left. Beaver fans nearly have a heart attack but relax when the Beavs get the ball on the onside kick try. The Beavs kneel out the clock and pandemonium ensues. :D

beach tribe
01-15-2009, 08:50 AM
Don't think so. The pick came with 2:40 left. Sanchez has a guy hitting him in the knees as he tries to step into the throw and the ball sails slightly. Layborn, the safety, is behind the receiver and picks it and returns it to the 1 yard line. The Beavs score on the first play and miss the EP. Score is 27-14 with about 2 minutes left.

USC gets the ball and drives down and scores a TD with about 40 seconds left. Beaver fans nearly have a heart attack but relax when the Beavs get the ball on the onside kick try. The Beavs kneel out the clock and pandemonium ensues. :D

Dude. Check out the vid at the bottom of post #203.

Oregon vs.USC. Sanchez is driving for the tying score with under a min to play, and ends up throwing a pick. He is not pressured, and he threw right into coverage.

EyePod
01-15-2009, 08:55 AM
Umm, the video above shows Sanchez, with no one in his face, throw a pick into coverage on the opponents 15 yrd line, with about 20 sec to play. down by a touch.

It also shows him throwing really fucking well for most other plays. Way to only look at the one negative. I know it was crunch time and everything, but that one TD pass was fucking awesome. I dunno, I know the pick sucked and everything, but a lot of the other shit looked awesome. And I don't even want us to take Sanchez!

El Jefe
01-15-2009, 08:58 AM
I hate USC, but at this moment I would take Sanchez.

Coogs
01-15-2009, 08:58 AM
I don't know which one is the best. But if there is a clear advantage to having one over the other, then I would consider trading up to #1 with Detroit make sure we get the correct one. Our #3 and our #34 pick would come close to the points value. Not exactly, but close. That would give Detroit #3, #20, #33, and #34.

Darth CarlSatan
01-15-2009, 09:04 AM
Dude. Check out the vid at the bottom of post #203.

Oregon vs.USC. Sanchez is driving for the tying score with under a min to play, and ends up throwing a pick. He is not pressured, and he threw right into coverage.

Okay, I've looked at this a few times before I originally posted it on a different thread.

If you slow it down, you'll see that the pass was money and the receiver has his hands on the ball. The defender just happened to get a fraction of a second jump on the ball and had enough paw/momentum to yank it out of the receivers hand.
The two things that impresses me about that reel are the beautiful over the shoulder pass to the receiver trucking his way to the northwest pylon and not even looking back, and the urgency/timing Mark displays moving the drive down field.

Frankie
01-15-2009, 09:06 AM
I hate USC, but at this moment I would take Sanchez.

USC = University of Second Choice

Most everybody I know, including myself, have their own #1 college team with USC being their #2.

Frosty
01-15-2009, 09:09 AM
Dude. Check out the vid at the bottom of post #203.

Oregon vs.USC. Sanchez is driving for the tying score with under a min to play, and ends up throwing a pick. He is not pressured, and he threw right into coverage.

I see what the problem is. You are talking about the 2007 Oregon game that was one of the games where Sanchez was filling in for an injured Booty. I was talking about the Oregon State game that happened this season.

beach tribe
01-15-2009, 09:10 AM
It also shows him throwing really ****ing well for most other plays. Way to only look at the one negative. I know it was crunch time and everything, but that one TD pass was ****ing awesome. I dunno, I know the pick sucked and everything, but a lot of the other shit looked awesome. And I don't even want us to take Sanchez!

Oh, I agree, he looks real good, and I won't be pissed if we get him.

BUT that does not take away the fact that he's trying to come from behind, against an inferior team, that he should not have been trailing in the first place, and blows it by throwing into tight coverage, when he could have easily slid in the pocket, and found the open man.

beach tribe
01-15-2009, 09:12 AM
Okay, I've looked at this a few times before I originally posted it on a different thread.

If you slow it down, you'll see that the pass was money and the receiver has his hands on the ball. The defender just happened to get a fraction of a second jump on the ball and had enough paw/momentum to yank it out of the receivers hand.
The two things that impresses me about that reel are the beautiful over the shoulder pass to the receiver trucking his way to the northwest pylon and not even looking back, and the urgency/timing Mark displays moving the drive down field.

I respect you're opinion, but you are biased on this subject.

Tribal Warfare
01-15-2009, 09:15 AM
I also think the dark horse candidate for QB is Nate Davis, the kid fits what Pioli is looking for.

Frosty
01-15-2009, 09:17 AM
Oh, I agree, he looks real good, and I won't be pissed if we get him.

BUT that does not take away the fact that he's trying to come from behind, against an inferior team, that he should not have been trailing in the first place, and blows it by throwing into tight coverage, when he could have easily slid in the pocket, and found the open man.

Oregon was ranked higher than USC last year until Dixon got hurt. They were a very good team, especially at home. They weren't an inferior team and it was a pretty tall order to expect Sanchez to be flawless in one of his first starts, on the road, against a very good team.

Darth CarlSatan
01-15-2009, 10:02 AM
No go on Spikes.

Frankie
01-15-2009, 10:07 AM
No go on Spikes.

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Warrior5
01-15-2009, 10:11 AM
I also think the dark horse candidate for QB is Nate Davis, the kid fits what Pioli is looking for.

Interesting... some background on Davis please?

OnTheWarpath58
01-15-2009, 10:14 AM
Todd McShay's QB rankings:

Sanchez
Stafford
Davis
Freeman
Harrell

kobebehar
01-15-2009, 10:16 AM
Todd McShay's QB rankings:

Sanchez
Stafford
Davis
Freeman
Harrell

Todd McShay is a toaster-fucking moron.

Guys, the discussion isn't just upside, Sanchez may someday be a better QB than Stafford (but I dont personally buy it) But I think that it could take years and years, in the mold of Kurt Warner. Stafford has the physical and mental tools AND ran a more pro offense.

This is really a no-brainer for me.

luv
01-15-2009, 10:18 AM
Todd McShay is a toaster-****ing moron.

Guys, the discussion isn't just upside, Sanchez may someday be a better QB than Stafford (but I dont personally buy it) But I think that it could take years and years, in the mold of Kurt Warner. Stafford has the physical and mental tools AND ran a more pro offense.

This is really a no-brainer for me.

What are his mental tools?

Darth CarlSatan
01-15-2009, 10:19 AM
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Brandon Spikes = Back to Florida.

kobebehar
01-15-2009, 10:22 AM
What are his mental tools?

I see Sanchez play and I see his decision-making a little fuzzier than Stafford's. I think Stafford makes the reads a hair quicker.

Chiefnj2
01-15-2009, 10:38 AM
Oh, I agree, he looks real good, and I won't be pissed if we get him.

BUT that does not take away the fact that he's trying to come from behind, against an inferior team, that he should not have been trailing in the first place, and blows it by throwing into tight coverage, when he could have easily slid in the pocket, and found the open man.

It was something like his second college start. The kid is going to make mistakes.

Chiefnj2
01-15-2009, 10:41 AM
Todd McShay is a toaster-****ing moron.

Guys, the discussion isn't just upside, Sanchez may someday be a better QB than Stafford (but I dont personally buy it) But I think that it could take years and years, in the mold of Kurt Warner. Stafford has the physical and mental tools AND ran a more pro offense.

This is really a no-brainer for me.

Exactly. Because Sanchez has such little experience it may take some time to develop him. Most coaches dont' have the patience, or the ability, to take a QB in the top 10 and have them sit for a year or two. With the success of Ryan and Flacco there will be even more pressure to play him as quickly as possible.

chiefsngop
01-15-2009, 11:06 AM
Man, I really wanted a franchise Qb out of this draft.

But you guys really believe Stafford will be there ?

If Stafford falls to us, I say we take him. But I just don't see Sanchez warranting the #3 overall pick.

If we do take Sanchez with the #3 pick, I pray to god he makes me look stupid and becomes a Hall Of Famer. I think he's a great Qb, just not sold that he's a #3 overall pick QB.

If Stafford's not there, I say we go with D-line help, or maybe an offensive tackle. But if we take a tackle, he'd have to be one bad ass SOB, because IMO we should be able to scout out a tackle to take in the 3rd round.

But if there's a real gorilla out there to replace McIntosh, I wouldn't jump up and down if we took him in the 1st. But he better be the real real deal if we're burning the 3rd overall for him.

Frankie
01-15-2009, 11:36 AM
If we do take Sanchez with the #3 pick, I pray to god he makes me look stupid and becomes a Hall Of Famer. I think he's a great Qb, just not sold that he's a #3 overall pick QB.
What makes you sold on Stafford being a #3 overall pick QB?


If Stafford's not there, I say we go with D-line help, or maybe an offensive tackle.

We do need a replacement for JA. But I don't see anybody worth the third pick either. That includes Orakpo.

This sure looks like a draft year to trade down in. Not far mind you, just enough to be able to get Sanchez or Maualoga at value. I hope Pioli will find a suitable trade partner for that.

Mr. Laz
01-15-2009, 11:39 AM
1. Stafford
2. Sanchez
3. Trade down

Frankie
01-15-2009, 11:44 AM
1. Stafford
2. Sanchez
3. Trade down

1. Trade down
2. Sanchez
3. Stafford

IMO.

BTW,

I think Pioli will look hard into the possibility of aquiring Cassel. The Patriots are being ridiculous about his value now, but that can change. If he pulls that off I bet he'll try to get Harrell or Freeman in later rounds to develop.

Mr. Laz
01-15-2009, 11:45 AM
1. Trade down
2. Sanchez
3. Stafford

IMO.

BTW,

I think Pioli will look hard into the possibility of aquiring Cassel. The Patriots are being ridiculous about his value now, but that can change. If he pulls that off I bet he'll try to get Harrell or Freeman in later rounds to develop.
i want no part of trading our 1st round draft pick for Cassel

Frankie
01-15-2009, 11:50 AM
i want no part of trading our 1st round draft pick for Cassel

Neither do I. Maybe he can trade LJ and a 3rd or lower. I really think Pats are way out of line asking for a high 1st for Cassell.

kobebehar
01-15-2009, 11:51 AM
Neither do I. Maybe he can trade LJ and a 3rd or lower. I really think Pats are way out of line asking for a high 1st for Cassell.

How much value does LJ really carry now though?

eazyb81
01-15-2009, 11:51 AM
Whoever falls to us at 3 is the best.

:)

Tribal Warfare
01-15-2009, 11:55 AM
Interesting... some background on Davis please?



Ball State QB Nate Davis to enter NFL draft early (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/college/football/view.bg?articleid=1145140&srvc=rss)
By Associated Press | Tuesday, January 13, 2009 |

INDIANAPOLIS ó Ball State coach Stan Parrish wasnít surprised that quarterback Nate Davis decided to give up his senior season to enter the NFL draft.

"I always knew it was a possibility, a strong possibility when you have a player like him in todayís football climate," Parrish told the Associated Press in a telephone interview. "We talked about this a year ago."

Parrish, the former Ball State offensive coordinator who recently moved up to replace Brady Hoke as head coach, made the announcement Tuesday.

Davis led Ball State to a 12-0 start this past season, during which the Cardinals were ranked as high as 12th. The Cardinals lost to Buffalo in the Mid-American Conference championship game, then to Tulsa in the GMAC Bowl.

"I know what Iím about to do wonít be easy," Davis said in a statement. "But itís what my heart and head want to do at this time. Itís the right thing for me and my family at this time."

The junior threw for 26 touchdowns and only eight interceptions this season and his quarterback rating was 13th in the nation.

The previous season, he passed for school records of 3,667 yards and 30 touchdowns. He leaves as the schoolís leader in touchdown passes (74), yards passing (9,233), attempts (1,124) and completions (678).

Parrish said Davis, a 6-foot-2, 217-pound right-hander, has the tools to excel in the NFL.

"He can make every throw," Parrish said. "He can make the long throws, the touch throws. Heís got a lot of God-given talent you really donít coach."

Davis stood out in Parrishís mind as a leader.

"I donít think he ever missed a day of practice, hurt or not hurt," Parrish said. "He has a passion for the game that I thought spilled over to the other players."

Davis said his one regret was that he never won a conference title. But Parrish said Davis and Dante Love, the receiver who led the nation in yards per game before suffering a career-ending spinal injury this season, raised expectations for future Ball State teams.

"Nate and Dante, in particular, took this program to new heights," Parrish said. "That bar is very, very high. And wouldnít you rather the bar be high than low?"

Parrish said heíll miss Davis.

"Heís like a son to me," Parrish said. "Like all fathers, you want your son to go out and do great in the world. I think he will."

Frankie
01-15-2009, 11:58 AM
How much value does LJ really carry now though?

Carl made Leon hard to trade. But if he really wants out and Pioli wants him out maybe they can get together and tear up the old contract and do a new one to make him more tradable. Maybe some team will still have some love for him.

Darth CarlSatan
01-15-2009, 12:11 PM
What makes you sold on Stafford being a #3 overall pick QB?



We do need a replacement for JA. But I don't see anybody worth the third pick either. That includes Orakpo.

This sure looks like a draft year to trade down in. Not far mind you, just enough to be able to get Sanchez or Maualoga at value. I hope Pioli will find a suitable trade partner for that.

Si. Color me unimpressed with that guy.

1. Trade down
2. Sanchez
3. Stafford

IMO.

BTW,

I think Pioli will look hard into the possibility of aquiring Cassel. The Patriots are being ridiculous about his value now, but that can change. If he pulls that off I bet he'll try to get Harrell or Freeman in later rounds to develop.

And what a premature ejaculation-fest of gargantuan "Meh" THAT would be.

i want no part of trading our 1st round draft pick for Cassel

I want no part of Matt Cassel.

kobebehar
01-15-2009, 03:52 PM
Carl made Leon hard to trade. But if he really wants out and Pioli wants him out maybe they can get together and tear up the old contract and do a new one to make him more tradable. Maybe some team will still have some love for him.

Possible, but feels like a big stretch doesnt it?

PunkinDrublic
01-15-2009, 03:56 PM
I'm going to be nervous as fuck on draft day. I will be devestated if they are picked 1 and 2 and are off the board.

Brock
01-15-2009, 03:57 PM
Carl made Leon hard to trade. But if he really wants out and Pioli wants him out maybe they can get together and tear up the old contract and do a new one to make him more tradable. Maybe some team will still have some love for him.

5th rd pick at most. And that's not even factoring in the money.

smittysbar
01-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Leon???