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Tribal Warfare
01-14-2009, 08:21 PM
A Look At Pioli’s Record/Part 1 (http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/a-look-at-pioli%E2%80%99s-recordpart-1.html)
January 13, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

There are four different avenues that produce players for NFL teams.

There is unrestricted free agency, street free agents or players that have failed with another team and college free agents.

But the biggest pipeline is the NFL Draft.

There is no question that the Super Bowl success of the New England Patriots was built on draft picks. Just about all their key performers came through selections made by Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli (left).

Not a lot is known about just how the Patriots operated in the draft room, but we know Belichick had the final say so. We also know he had a great deal of faith in Pioli and his scouts’ ability to match college players with what Belichick was looking for on his roster. There was most definitely a plan, and most definitely a template for physical characteristics and skills at certain positions.

A team that takes advantage of the draft does two things: it does not make mistakes at the top of the draft and it finds gems in the later rounds, players who make contributions despite being selected late in the process. For the most part, the Patriots did both and that allowed them to win three Super Bowls.

Here’s the list (http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/patriots-draft-picks-2000-2004.html)of players the Patriots drafted from 2000-2004.

Here’s the list (http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/new-england-draft-picks-2005-2008.html) of players the Patriots drafted from 2005-2008.

And here are some items of interest that come out of analyzing the 77 players the Patriots have selected in the 2000 through 2008 NFL Drafts:

– New England’s average pick in the first round over the last nine years was No. 20. There were no picks in the top five and only two in the top 10 and three in the top half of the draft. Because of their success, they normally held draft positions late in rounds. They had just 14 picks in the top 50 and 26 in the top 100.

– The Patriots did not use picks on small college players. Of those 77 selected, 74 were from major college teams/Division 1. Two were from what used to be called Division 1-AA and they drafted just one small college player: TE Andy Stokes, who was the final player taken in the 2005 Draft out of William Penn University, a NAIA school.

– Not only did the Patriots zero in on major college talent, they looked especially hard at the major conferences. Of those 77 players, 55 were taken from schools in the Atlantic Coast, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-10 and Southeastern Conferences, along with Notre Dame. The Big 12 and SEC led the way with 12 players each.

– Belichick-Pioli hit on their No. 1 picks, as eight of the nine are still with the team. The only one missing is 2002 first-rounder Daniel Graham, who left as a free agent and signed with Denver after five seasons in New England. The remaining eight are all starters for the Patriots: RDE Richard Seymour, LDE Ty Warren, NT Vince Wilfork, TE Ben Watson, LG Logan Mankins, RB Laurence Maroney, S Brandon Meriweather and LB Jerod Mayo.

– As good as they were in the first round, New England was bad in the second round. They had eight choices in that round in nine years, and only two remain with the team: starting left tackle Matt Light and rookie cornerback Terrence Wheatley, who finished the season on the injured-reserve list after playing in seven games

– The Patriots had what could be called the greatest value pick of the decade when they grabbed quarterback Tom Brady with choice No. 199 in the sixth round of the 2000 Draft. Brady went on to become quite possibly the greatest clutch quarterback in the history of the game, leading the team to three Super Bowls.

– They may have done it again with seventh-round choice quarterback Matt Cassel, who came in and replaced the injured Brady in the ‘08 season opener against the Chiefs and went on to a remarkable season for a quarterback who had not been a starter since high school.

– In nine drafts, the highest quarterback selection for the Patriots came in the ‘08 Draft when they took quarterback Kevin O’Connell in the third round with the 94th pick. Only five of the other 31 teams in the league have not drafted a quarterback higher than the 94th spot: Indianapolis, New Orleans, Carolina, Tampa Bay and St. Louis. Some have taken more than one quarterback higher than No. 94.

– As good as the Patriots have been at finding quarterbacks, that’s how bad they’ve been in finding and keeping wide receivers. They’ve drafted six, including a trio of second-round picks. One of those was just two years ago, when they grabbed Florida’s Chad Jackson, but they released him at the end of the ‘08 pre-season. Of the six wide receivers on the roster at the end of the ‘08 season, only one came through the draft: rookie Matthew Slater. Their two starters, Randy Moss and Wes Welker, cost them second, fourth and seventh round picks.

– New England invested a lot of early draft choices along the defensive line, with three first-round picks and one second-rounder among 11 total picks. They only used three early choices along the offensive line, with one first and a pair of second-round choices.

– They selected eight tight ends in nine drafts, including a pair of first-round choices. That’s more first round tight ends than first round quarterbacks/running backs/wide receivers combined.

– Their favorite positions in the draft were linebacker and cornerback, where they’ve selected 10 players each.

Reerun_KC
01-14-2009, 08:22 PM
STFU Gretz....

siberian khatru
01-14-2009, 08:23 PM
"By comparison, the Chiefs under Carl Peterson did a MUCH better job drafting."

Tribal Warfare
01-14-2009, 08:26 PM
You can tell his ass his going to get fired

Rain Man
01-14-2009, 08:26 PM
I like Pioli, but I think he pulled the trigger too soon on Brady. I think he could've waited and picked him in the 7th round.

T-post Tom
01-14-2009, 08:29 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=200279

(Keep the Ms. Lima pics going and you get a permanent pass on reposts.)

Hydrae
01-14-2009, 08:36 PM
Oh noes, we will still suck with our 2nd round picks! :deevee:

Marcellus
01-14-2009, 08:41 PM
I don't care for Gretz anymore but what about this article was offensive?

Guru
01-14-2009, 08:46 PM
Glad I skipped to the responses before reading the article. It obviously would have pissed me off.

chiefzilla1501
01-14-2009, 08:58 PM
I don't care for Gretz anymore but what about this article was offensive?

You're right. I just read it now.

It does bring up some interesting points. Namely, it is interesting that they spend so many picks on tight ends and it's interesting that they are so lousy at drafting receivers.

It's one of those weird things. I look at the Eagles--arguably the second best team in the NFL at drafting players. For some weird reason, they just do a lousy job of drafting receivers. Why is that? That's so weird. The good news is, we already have a pretty good one on our roster right now.

Marcellus
01-14-2009, 09:05 PM
You're right. I just read it now.

It does bring up some interesting points. Namely, it is interesting that they spend so many picks on tight ends and it's interesting that they are so lousy at drafting receivers.

It's one of those weird things. I look at the Eagles--arguably the second best team in the NFL at drafting players. For some weird reason, they just do a lousy job of drafting receivers. Why is that? That's so weird. The good news is, we already have a pretty good one on our roster right now.

I thought the same thing about the receivers and TE. We have Cottam and there is no telling with him right now but he doesn't look like a bust.

Who was the receiver they drafted that went to Seattle for big $?

chiefzilla1501
01-14-2009, 09:08 PM
I thought the same thing about the receivers and TE. We have Cottam and there is no telling with him right now but he doesn't look like a bust.

Who was the receiver they drafted that went to Seattle for big $?

Deion Branch. He's a decent receiver, but he's more of a #2 guy IMO than a #1 guy.

But anyway... while those are two positions, he has been beyond outstanding at drafting every other position. That's what makes it weird. I'm ok with so-so receivers if that means that the rest of the 45+ players on the team are going to be insanely good.

StcChief
01-14-2009, 09:14 PM
well...with is focus up front. where all teams are built thru draft. I'm fine with him.
I'll let his resume/results speak for themselves.

so they got lucky with Brady.... Cassell? every team gets a diamond. Jared Allen?

DrRyan
01-14-2009, 09:14 PM
I thought the same thing about the receivers and TE. We have Cottam and there is no telling with him right now but he doesn't look like a bust.

Who was the receiver they drafted that went to Seattle for big $?

I assume your are thinking of Deion Branch.

cdcox
01-14-2009, 09:21 PM
You're right. I just read it now.

It does bring up some interesting points. Namely, it is interesting that they spend so many picks on tight ends and it's interesting that they are so lousy at drafting receivers.

It's one of those weird things. I look at the Eagles--arguably the second best team in the NFL at drafting players. For some weird reason, they just do a lousy job of drafting receivers. Why is that? That's so weird. The good news is, we already have a pretty good one on our roster right now.

So it makes you wonder why they bother drafting receivers at all? Why not just pick up receivers via trade and FA? Which is what the Pats finally did with Moss and Welker. A few big name receivers change teams every year.

Rain Man
01-14-2009, 09:23 PM
The Patriots didn't draft receivers well, and yet they somehow ended up with two really strong receivers. That says a lot.

chiefzilla1501
01-14-2009, 09:25 PM
So it makes you wonder why they bother drafting receivers at all? Why not just pick up receivers via trade and FA? Which is what the Pats finally did with Moss and Welker. A few big name receivers change teams every year.

Yup. That's a lesson the Pats learned, but for some reason, the Eagles never learned. The only major free agent receiver the Eagles have ever gone after was TO and he took the team to the Super Bowl. I've always wondered why they've refused to go after marquee free agent receivers ever since.

Chief77
01-14-2009, 09:27 PM
Well at least their good at drafting some of the most important positions like OL, DL, QB, and LB.