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T-post Tom
01-14-2009, 09:01 PM
Caution, this may piss you off...

Underappreciated Kuharich deserved better from Chiefs
Jan. 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

Memo to Scott Pioli: Keep Bill Kuharich.

Kuharich is Kansas City's vice president of player personnel, and to say he just got a raw deal is an understatement. Kuharich deserved to be part of the Chiefs' hunt for a general manager, but he wasn't ... and he wasn't because the Chiefs confined their search to applicants outside the club.

So they landed the Patriots' Pioli, and hooray for them.

Now my question is: Where does that leave Kuharich? I suspect only Pioli knows.

If he does what is best for him and his new employer keeps him, he trusts him and he relies on him. Kuharich not only is good at his job; he is so good he deserved to be a candidate for the position Pioli just filled.

But he wasn't, and I'm still not sure why.

Maybe the Chiefs considered him too old. He's 55. Maybe they wanted someone more telegenic. Kuharich is more at home in a sweater and khakis. Or maybe they just wanted a perspective from someone outside the organization, someone more removed from former president Carl Peterson.

"He was collateral damage," one NFC general manager said. "The Chiefs didn't want to go anywhere near someone close to Carl. And that's unfortunate because Kuharich is outstanding."

Well, whatever the reason it was apparent Kuharich didn't pass the physical and that owner Clark Hunt would be sold on someone outside the 816 area code. And that's OK if Hunt also understood that by doing that he eliminated one of his most qualified candidates.

"I want somebody who's a shrewd evaluator of football talent," Hunt said last month. "(His) job will be to think 24/7 about the football team. That's the most important quality."

Pardon me, but I think he just described Kuharich.

Look, I don't know if he could have outpolled Pioli. I don't know that anyone could. But I do know he deserved a chance to make his case because, like Pioli, he knew how to build a football team. He did it when he was general manager with the Saints, and he has done in his nine years with the Chiefs.

Let's start with New Orleans. I know what you're going to tell me: The Saints didn't rebound from their 1990s funk until Kuharich left, and you're right. But this just in: They got good with Kuharich's players.

The foundation of the team that went to the 2000 playoffs was laid by Kuharich, and don't tell me how foolish it was for the Saints to trade away an entire draft class for Ricky Williams.

First, that was an organizational decision, with the owner signing off on it. Second, of the draft picks they sacrificed, only one -- tackle Chris Samuels -- amounted to anything. Third, Williams became a marquee player for the Saints, rushing for 179 yards in a game as a rookie and 1,000 or more yards in two of his three seasons there.

So, yeah, that move worked out. Like other drafts in New Orleans worked out, with four first-rounders under Kuharich going on to Pro Bowls.

When he left after the 1999 season, the Saints were stocked with talent -- much as Tampa Bay was when Tony Dungy departed following the 2002 season. The Saints went from dead last (3-13) in their division in 1999 to first (10-6) a year later, a remarkable achievement that earned Kuharich's successor, Randy Mueller, the league's Executive of the Year.

But the Saints won with many of the players Kuharich chose, which means he was as much Executive of the Year as Mueller.

And let's not forget, it was Kuharich who brought free agent Jake Delhomme to the Saints in 1997. I once remember him telling me he thought the guy was good enough to start for the club. Only he never really had a chance. So he shuffled off to Carolina after Kuharich left ... and took the Panthers to the Super Bowl.

Score another for Kuharich.

Now fast forward to Kansas City. It was Kuharich who ran the pro personnel department that acquired starters like running back Priest Holmes, quarterback Trent Green and wide receiver Eddie Kennison and that swung the deal for tackle Willie Roaf.

It was Kuharich who ran the past three drafts that delivered a raft of starters, including Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Bernard Pollard, Jarrad Page, Glenn Dorsey, Brandon Flowers and Branden Albert. And it was Kuharich who oversaw a 2008 draft that was universally acclaimed as one of the best anywhere.

Four draft picks became starters, and all but one of the 11 choices played.

Then there was quarterback Tyler Thigpen, whom Kuharich recommended after watching him in a preseason game with Minnesota. The Chiefs claimed him after he was waived, and he started 11 games this season.

So the Chiefs went 2-14. Big deal. This is a tear-down long overdue. They served youth, with so many young players gaining experience that the foundation Kansas City needs to rebuild is firmly established.

Too bad the guy who made it happen isn't.

I don't know what happens to Kuharich now, and I bet he doesn't know, either. Essentially, management has just told him he's gone as far as he can in the organization, and that if he wants a promotion he can start by reaching for the yellow pages.

That's a mistake.

He has the Chiefs on the road to recovery; it just might be time to find the next patient to cure. Maybe he never becomes a general manager anywhere again, but he should at least go where he's appreciated -- and I can't believe that can't be Kansas City.

"What I've always liked about him," one league source said [Rufas Dawes?], "is that he knows what a football player looks like. He doesn't need a stopwatch or a list of measureables. He can just look at a guy and tell."

I remember when Kuharich once told me about an offensive lineman he admired and how he was sure he would be a perfect fit for New Orleans. Yeah, I said, I had heard of Willie Roaf, but I wasn't sure he was a can't-miss prospect. Kuharich was.

Bill Kuharich knew what he was doing then, just as he knows what he's doing now. He deserves a chance to stay with the Chiefs. So give it to him, Scott Pioli.

Brock
01-14-2009, 09:03 PM
I do hope they keep Kuharich around.

Count Alex's Losses
01-14-2009, 09:07 PM
RING RING

"Hello?"

"Judge, it's Carl."

"My liege? What can I do for you."

"My servant Bill Kuharich has not been given proper courtesy in Hunt's search for a new GM. This displeases me. You must pen 900 words in defense of Kuharich and why Pioli should continue to offer him Hunt money."

"Yes, my liege. Right away!"

"And Judge?"

"My liege?"

"Keep trashing LJ. We can use him in Miami."

DeezNutz
01-14-2009, 09:14 PM
Or maybe they just wanted a perspective from someone outside the organization, someone more removed from former president Carl Peterson...

Well, whatever the reason it was apparent Kuharich didn't pass the physical and that owner Clark Hunt would be sold on someone outside the 816 area code.

Yep. This was a difficult one to figure.

Hunt said that he wanted "a new set of eyes" to be in charge of the organization. And then, unbelievably surprisingly shockingly, this is...WHAT HE DID1111

Solid article, Clark! You ****ing dumbass you.

Deberg_1990
01-14-2009, 09:15 PM
Oh boo hoo...

Buh Bye

BigRock
01-14-2009, 09:21 PM
At least now we know who Judge's source with the Chiefs has been all these years.

StcChief
01-14-2009, 09:22 PM
why not Evaluate him vs. what Pioli wants? age at this point is irrelevant. Experience and decisions are.

Pioli seems rational about things. his assistant for sure.

DrRyan
01-14-2009, 09:25 PM
I would not mind seeing him kept around in a player personnel capacity(obviously) under Pioli. That said, if he is collateral damage and is out, so be it, I will trust Pioli until I have been given reason not to.

SNR
01-14-2009, 09:26 PM
I'll humor Clark and call Kuharich a "great" possible candidate for GM.

If he did a "great" job at managing the Saints when they weren't that fucking good at all, what do you call what Pioli did in New England to win 3 Super Bowls?

Does Clark Judge even know what a Super Bowl trophy looks like? Maybe he just stops covering the Chiefs so early every year that he forgets about that goal for all the teams. Maybe Judge based on what he's done every year assumes that remaining in contention for the playoffs up to the last week with your 8-8 record is the mark of a good team.

If that's the case, then yes, we should've hired Kuharich instead.

Seriously. LOOK AT THE SUPER BOWLS. Is this guy fucking mad?

jjchieffan
01-14-2009, 09:26 PM
I understand the perspective this article comes from. He has done a fine job. I am glad we went with Pioli, because a fresh start is needed. That said, I hope he retains his positon under Pioli. I think he could be one of the valuable people that Pioli will surround himself with. If the only reason to completely cast him away is because he worked for Carl, then I don't believe that is reason enough.

aturnis
01-14-2009, 09:26 PM
As do I, I think he is VERY deserving. Before all these other names like Pioli came into play, and Clark said he wanted a guy from outside of the club, I was a little confused. Just like Judge just said, he at least deserved to be interviewed.

Nero's Neptune
01-14-2009, 09:28 PM
I think Clark wanted someone who was not in Herm or Carl's back pocket to run the show....which imo is smart.

It seems he's a good evaluator...Pioli can offer him a job if that's the case...if he doesn't, he doesn't. It not like Kuharich has been interviewing all over the place for these vacant GM jobs.... I'm not going lose any sleep over this.

Hoover
01-14-2009, 09:34 PM
I like Kuharich a lot, but to say that the Chiefs made a mistake by picking Pioli (basically the Pats GM) for his is just silly.

It was smart for Clark to go outside the organization, but there is risk in signing Pioli, we could lose good guys like Kuharich. Its a business and its not fair. Plus, if he's so well respected I would think the Broncos, Lions, and Browns would be all over him.

DaWolf
01-14-2009, 09:39 PM
I will say this, Kuharich isn't bad in his role per se, but if Kuharich is as great as Clark Judge is describing him, how come no one has hired him over the past 4-5 years to be a GM? He's interviewed, he's been recommended by Carl, but no one bit.

The other thing is, he's been pretty good at building mediocre football teams that never go anywhere. That's it. And that's what the Chiefs have been for the better part of 40 years...

Count Alex's Losses
01-14-2009, 09:42 PM
#1 reason not to hire Billy K:

He would have kept Herm.

the Talking Can
01-14-2009, 09:43 PM
Carl is gone

The Stupid obviously isn't

rocks
01-14-2009, 09:43 PM
What a piece of trash article. I felt cheated of my time after I read it. Disgusting!

Adept Havelock
01-14-2009, 09:44 PM
I hope Pioli keeps Kuharich.

That said, how can we be expected to take this writer seriously when he says this?

First, that was an organizational decision, with the owner signing off on it.
Joining two other people in making a bad decision does not make it less of a bad decision.

Second, of the draft picks they sacrificed, only one -- tackle Chris Samuels -- amounted to anything.
So we are to believe the Saints would have picked the exact same players the recipient of the draft picks did? :spock:

Third, Williams became a marquee player for the Saints, rushing for 179 yards in a game as a rookie and 1,000 or more yards in two of his three seasons there.
And flaked out/flamed out in spectacular fashion. What do the Saints have to show for their massive investment? Three ho-hum seasons at RB.

KCChiefsFan88
01-14-2009, 09:45 PM
basically this article greatly overemphasizes Kuharich accomplishments (sorry I don't see Tyler Thigpen and Tamba Hali as acquisitions to build a resume around) and tries to brush aside his major mistakes (trading an entire draft for Ricky Williams? The Chiefs winning 2 of their last 25 games?)

TEX
01-14-2009, 10:01 PM
Oh boo hoo...

Buh Bye

EXACTLY! Hello - RINGS. It's laughable to compare the two.

Chiefnj2
01-14-2009, 10:02 PM
If Kuharich is so good he'll find employment with another team.

SLAG
01-14-2009, 10:07 PM
I say Mr. P should give Mr. K a temporary position as transition Manager, get all the info out of him and send him gleefully into retirement

After all, he did so great in all his other jobs and work, no need for him to do any more work.

Go ahead, Mr. K has earned it

alanm
01-14-2009, 10:11 PM
Oh boo hoo...

Buh ByeI don't think Kuharich is going anywhere. Unless it's his choice to move on. I would think that Pioli knows all about Kuharich. It sounds like Clark Judge is all butt hurt that Bill wasn't promoted.

the Talking Can
01-14-2009, 10:14 PM
Chiefs do the first smart thing in over a decade....and people just want to bitch....

i just want to win, i don't give a flying yak boner about anyone's feelings....

alanm
01-14-2009, 10:14 PM
Carl is gone

The Stupid obviously isn'tThen there's that. Can't figure out why Judge is worked up about it.

CaliforniaChief
01-14-2009, 10:22 PM
BFD.

There are always undeserving victims in a sweep out. If Kuharich is there, fine...otherwise if he ends up with Carl somewhere maybe they'll trade us their whole draft for LJ.

The Bad Guy
01-14-2009, 10:22 PM
Judge, Gretz, Nick Athan...

Get all of them the fuck away from the Chiefs.

Judge is one of the biggest old regime ass kissers there is. Kuharich may have done a decent job, but the guy never once deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence for GM as Scott Pioli.

The access that all 3 clowns listed above is the reason they want any part of the old regime to stick around so they have an in.

Brock
01-14-2009, 11:24 PM
If Kuharich is so good he'll find employment with another team.

He undoubtedly would.

Nero's Neptune
01-15-2009, 12:05 AM
I hope Pioli keeps Kuharich.

That said, how can we be expected to take this writer seriously when he says this?

First, that was an organizational decision, with the owner signing off on it.
Joining two other people in making a bad decision does not make it less of a bad decision.

Second, of the draft picks they sacrificed, only one -- tackle Chris Samuels -- amounted to anything.
So we are to believe the Saints would have picked the exact same players the recipient of the draft picks did? :spock:

Third, Williams became a marquee player for the Saints, rushing for 179 yards in a game as a rookie and 1,000 or more yards in two of his three seasons there.
And flaked out/flamed out in spectacular fashion. What do the Saints have to show for their massive investment? Three ho-hum seasons at RB.

Exactly.... I just laughed and stopped taking this seriously... I mean, wtf? seriously? where is the logic here? The owner hires a football guy to make draft decisions...so he agrees to the trade and therefore the football guy isn't really so much to blame.....um, ok.

and they gave up pics for Ricky Williams. What that other team did with those pics is just so completely irrelavent to the point...I'm lost.

bowener
01-15-2009, 12:07 AM
I dont give a fuck where that leaves him. If he wasn't getting his job done, then fire his ass or demote him. He was included in the search because we started with the best guy for the job, and he wanted in, that is why we didn't interview that rubbish.

Dave Lane
01-15-2009, 12:19 AM
#1 reason not to hire Billy K:

He would have kept Herm.

Thats reason 1 through 10,000

cdcox
01-15-2009, 01:14 AM
and they gave up pics for Ricky Williams. What that other team did with those pics is just so completely irrelavent to the point...I'm lost.

Just imagine how disappointed you'd feel if you were one of the electrons that ended up transmitting this piece of crap.

DaneMcCloud
01-15-2009, 01:25 AM
This is a fucking stupid article.

The Chiefs drafts sucked until 2008 under Kuharich. Tamba Hali? Are you fucking kidding me?

Between Hali's selection and the Chiefs next selection, Santonio Holmes, DeAngelo Williams, Nick Mangold, Joseph Addai, Mathias Kiawanuka, Sinorice Moss, Marcus McNeil and fucking DeMeco Ryans were all chosen.

So in essence, Billy "K" pass on Pro-Bowl and near Pro Bowl level players and chose Tamba Hali.

That in itself is grounds for firing.

booger
01-15-2009, 02:38 AM
Wow. From the timing of this you got to wonder If BK got the Saunders syndrome..........When Goother got the HC gig and Al told carl to f off and went to become WR coach under DV in STL.

BK came in the '00 season and Bradway was still here and Lynn Stiles had just rejoined after tagging along with DV for 3 years. Once DV became the coach he went for his players he had coached or Grob's players. For the most part it was the players that the coaching staff wanted first then the personell dept. In season, when there was time to fill the practice squad and replace spots on the roster because of injurie, etc it was always bring a player back that had went through that training camp. DV favored knowing the playbooks, system, and familiarity. With the exception of DV's last year and Goother's FA list.

I remember about that time PFT had a rumor about Carl hoping/wanting BK out the door to get another GM gig. He felt threatened that he was a better football man. Ever since then his name comes up for many of the GM openings each offseason. I'm sure he's putting his own name out there someway or another as well. Also like Saunders, he never actually gets these jobs.

They did the right thing letting him run the draft once Herm arrived. The drafts are not great but better the first 2 years and much better this past year. But the other part of it, VP of Player Personell, also includes FA. Blame it on many but he is a part of that too. I see it as more of a lack of being on the same page from GM down to the coaches, but that doesn't make it better in the eyes of Owners that seek GM's.

From a qualified standpoint yeah, he did deserve a look. From Clark's side he did what he had to do in the "fresh set of eye's" being a must. So the colateral damage part makes plenty of sense on why he wasn't given a look. Goonther went 16 and 16 his first and only years as HC. Does he deserve a second chance to run a team? Hell, Gailey had the same 2 years and same if not exact record and he didn't get a chance. There's only so many out there that will hire Norv Turner and Herm and give them more chances.

But what is really interesting is WHY? Not just why now but why. He either desperatley has his name thrown out there for a shot with the browns, wants out to pursue a lateral move, just plain wants out, or didn't feed the info to Clark Judge himself. Hell, he may be flat out pissed about the article. It could have been Carl that fed it as an FU to all that are thrilled ( fans, Clark, media attention the Pioli hire has made) .

I have read on here that Judge used to write for kcchiefs.com. So it might be him being pissy about the hire from the standpoint that it's a mega change in access from his pal Carl. Somewhere on this BB is an article from this past draft of Judge that did a play by play of each pick w/ Kuharich. It sure looked like a way of getting his name out there to either take over for Carl or get another GM job.

If BK is just being a crybaby I'd say this is his way of saying he wants out now. Normally you don't see a change in the personell side very quickly unlike coaching staff changes this time of year. Only the GM's. Teams don't want those moves to take place until after the draft because all the prep work is done.

I think him staying would be a plus and strengthen the team. But if his attitude isn't in it he could be one of the first ones out the door.

One a side note seeing Bob Moore ( the smaller gretz but still a chubby looking little monster type dude ) was suprising. Being carls second anus and Rufus Dawes probably puts his arse out the door very fast too.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2009, 03:02 AM
I'm sure Pioli has his own PR department in mind.

booger
01-15-2009, 03:03 AM
yep, i bet so too

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2009, 03:07 AM
BTW, Bob Moore's gut is pretty huge. Don't sell him short. :D

booger
01-15-2009, 03:10 AM
there's a training camp pick out there with a big straw chiefs hat on the net somewhere.

Count Alex's Losses
01-15-2009, 03:12 AM
there's a training camp pick out there with a big straw chiefs hat on the net somewhere.

I have a picture. I don't feel it would be professional to show it. :evil:

booger
01-15-2009, 03:15 AM
I have a picture. I don't feel it would be professional to show it. :evil:

that would be a bit mean to show it i agree.



Can't you find better whackoff material though?

SenselessChiefsFan
01-15-2009, 07:44 AM
Caution, this may piss you off...

Underappreciated Kuharich deserved better from Chiefs
Jan. 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

Memo to Scott Pioli: Keep Bill Kuharich.

Kuharich is Kansas City's vice president of player personnel, and to say he just got a raw deal is an understatement. Kuharich deserved to be part of the Chiefs' hunt for a general manager, but he wasn't ... and he wasn't because the Chiefs confined their search to applicants outside the club.

So they landed the Patriots' Pioli, and hooray for them.

Now my question is: Where does that leave Kuharich? I suspect only Pioli knows.

If he does what is best for him and his new employer keeps him, he trusts him and he relies on him. Kuharich not only is good at his job; he is so good he deserved to be a candidate for the position Pioli just filled.

But he wasn't, and I'm still not sure why.

Maybe the Chiefs considered him too old. He's 55. Maybe they wanted someone more telegenic. Kuharich is more at home in a sweater and khakis. Or maybe they just wanted a perspective from someone outside the organization, someone more removed from former president Carl Peterson.

"He was collateral damage," one NFC general manager said. "The Chiefs didn't want to go anywhere near someone close to Carl. And that's unfortunate because Kuharich is outstanding."

Well, whatever the reason it was apparent Kuharich didn't pass the physical and that owner Clark Hunt would be sold on someone outside the 816 area code. And that's OK if Hunt also understood that by doing that he eliminated one of his most qualified candidates.

"I want somebody who's a shrewd evaluator of football talent," Hunt said last month. "(His) job will be to think 24/7 about the football team. That's the most important quality."

Pardon me, but I think he just described Kuharich.

Look, I don't know if he could have outpolled Pioli. I don't know that anyone could. But I do know he deserved a chance to make his case because, like Pioli, he knew how to build a football team. He did it when he was general manager with the Saints, and he has done in his nine years with the Chiefs.

Let's start with New Orleans. I know what you're going to tell me: The Saints didn't rebound from their 1990s funk until Kuharich left, and you're right. But this just in: They got good with Kuharich's players.

The foundation of the team that went to the 2000 playoffs was laid by Kuharich, and don't tell me how foolish it was for the Saints to trade away an entire draft class for Ricky Williams.

First, that was an organizational decision, with the owner signing off on it. Second, of the draft picks they sacrificed, only one -- tackle Chris Samuels -- amounted to anything. Third, Williams became a marquee player for the Saints, rushing for 179 yards in a game as a rookie and 1,000 or more yards in two of his three seasons there.

So, yeah, that move worked out. Like other drafts in New Orleans worked out, with four first-rounders under Kuharich going on to Pro Bowls.

When he left after the 1999 season, the Saints were stocked with talent -- much as Tampa Bay was when Tony Dungy departed following the 2002 season. The Saints went from dead last (3-13) in their division in 1999 to first (10-6) a year later, a remarkable achievement that earned Kuharich's successor, Randy Mueller, the league's Executive of the Year.

But the Saints won with many of the players Kuharich chose, which means he was as much Executive of the Year as Mueller.

And let's not forget, it was Kuharich who brought free agent Jake Delhomme to the Saints in 1997. I once remember him telling me he thought the guy was good enough to start for the club. Only he never really had a chance. So he shuffled off to Carolina after Kuharich left ... and took the Panthers to the Super Bowl.

Score another for Kuharich.

Now fast forward to Kansas City. It was Kuharich who ran the pro personnel department that acquired starters like running back Priest Holmes, quarterback Trent Green and wide receiver Eddie Kennison and that swung the deal for tackle Willie Roaf.

It was Kuharich who ran the past three drafts that delivered a raft of starters, including Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Bernard Pollard, Jarrad Page, Glenn Dorsey, Brandon Flowers and Branden Albert. And it was Kuharich who oversaw a 2008 draft that was universally acclaimed as one of the best anywhere.

Four draft picks became starters, and all but one of the 11 choices played.

Then there was quarterback Tyler Thigpen, whom Kuharich recommended after watching him in a preseason game with Minnesota. The Chiefs claimed him after he was waived, and he started 11 games this season.

So the Chiefs went 2-14. Big deal. This is a tear-down long overdue. They served youth, with so many young players gaining experience that the foundation Kansas City needs to rebuild is firmly established.

Too bad the guy who made it happen isn't.

I don't know what happens to Kuharich now, and I bet he doesn't know, either. Essentially, management has just told him he's gone as far as he can in the organization, and that if he wants a promotion he can start by reaching for the yellow pages.

That's a mistake.

He has the Chiefs on the road to recovery; it just might be time to find the next patient to cure. Maybe he never becomes a general manager anywhere again, but he should at least go where he's appreciated -- and I can't believe that can't be Kansas City.

"What I've always liked about him," one league source said [Rufas Dawes?], "is that he knows what a football player looks like. He doesn't need a stopwatch or a list of measureables. He can just look at a guy and tell."

I remember when Kuharich once told me about an offensive lineman he admired and how he was sure he would be a perfect fit for New Orleans. Yeah, I said, I had heard of Willie Roaf, but I wasn't sure he was a can't-miss prospect. Kuharich was.

Bill Kuharich knew what he was doing then, just as he knows what he's doing now. He deserves a chance to stay with the Chiefs. So give it to him, Scott Pioli.

Dead on. If the Chiefs would have been decent this year, Kuharich would be the new GM, and Herm would have gotten an extension.

Collateral damage is 100% correct.

I hope that Kuharich and Pioli get along well together and Kuharich sticks around a while.

SenselessChiefsFan
01-15-2009, 07:47 AM
Wow. From the timing of this you got to wonder If BK got the Saunders syndrome..........When Goother got the HC gig and Al told carl to f off and went to become WR coach under DV in STL.

BK came in the '00 season and Bradway was still here and Lynn Stiles had just rejoined after tagging along with DV for 3 years. Once DV became the coach he went for his players he had coached or Grob's players. For the most part it was the players that the coaching staff wanted first then the personell dept. In season, when there was time to fill the practice squad and replace spots on the roster because of injurie, etc it was always bring a player back that had went through that training camp. DV favored knowing the playbooks, system, and familiarity. With the exception of DV's last year and Goother's FA list.

I remember about that time PFT had a rumor about Carl hoping/wanting BK out the door to get another GM gig. He felt threatened that he was a better football man. Ever since then his name comes up for many of the GM openings each offseason. I'm sure he's putting his own name out there someway or another as well. Also like Saunders, he never actually gets these jobs.

They did the right thing letting him run the draft once Herm arrived. The drafts are not great but better the first 2 years and much better this past year. But the other part of it, VP of Player Personell, also includes FA. Blame it on many but he is a part of that too. I see it as more of a lack of being on the same page from GM down to the coaches, but that doesn't make it better in the eyes of Owners that seek GM's.

From a qualified standpoint yeah, he did deserve a look. From Clark's side he did what he had to do in the "fresh set of eye's" being a must. So the colateral damage part makes plenty of sense on why he wasn't given a look. Goonther went 16 and 16 his first and only years as HC. Does he deserve a second chance to run a team? Hell, Gailey had the same 2 years and same if not exact record and he didn't get a chance. There's only so many out there that will hire Norv Turner and Herm and give them more chances.

But what is really interesting is WHY? Not just why now but why. He either desperatley has his name thrown out there for a shot with the browns, wants out to pursue a lateral move, just plain wants out, or didn't feed the info to Clark Judge himself. Hell, he may be flat out pissed about the article. It could have been Carl that fed it as an FU to all that are thrilled ( fans, Clark, media attention the Pioli hire has made) .

I have read on here that Judge used to write for kcchiefs.com. So it might be him being pissy about the hire from the standpoint that it's a mega change in access from his pal Carl. Somewhere on this BB is an article from this past draft of Judge that did a play by play of each pick w/ Kuharich. It sure looked like a way of getting his name out there to either take over for Carl or get another GM job.

If BK is just being a crybaby I'd say this is his way of saying he wants out now. Normally you don't see a change in the personell side very quickly unlike coaching staff changes this time of year. Only the GM's. Teams don't want those moves to take place until after the draft because all the prep work is done.

I think him staying would be a plus and strengthen the team. But if his attitude isn't in it he could be one of the first ones out the door.

One a side note seeing Bob Moore ( the smaller gretz but still a chubby looking little monster type dude ) was suprising. Being carls second anus and Rufus Dawes probably puts his arse out the door very fast too.

What if Clark just wrote an honest column? Everything he said in there is true. Why do you think there is an some dark motive behind it?

Baby Lee
01-15-2009, 07:57 AM
Chiefs do the first smart thing in over a decade....and people just want to bitch....

i just want to win, i don't give a flying yak boner about anyone's feelings....

In related news, Fying Yak Boner is opening for Dane's Shaved Asshole, on tour now.

Stryker
01-15-2009, 08:03 AM
MAYBE THEY WANTED SOMEONE FROM A "WINNING" ORGANIZATION


FUCK HIM!

booger
01-15-2009, 08:12 AM
What if Clark just wrote an honest column? Everything he said in there is true. Why do you think there is an some dark motive behind it?

Obviously we have different views after reading the article. To me it reads "How Dare he!!!" as to Clark not considering Bill.

Everything is true my ass. It's opinion. I agree with Bill's talents but he dedicated the whole article kissing his ass. And we end up with Pioli which makes it that more weird of an article.

I, for some stupid reason, watched a replay of the Carl exit presser. Joe Pa's piece really nailed it. Carl seemed bitter, thankful, and sincere. My impression is he didn't leave on his own and has a bit of resentment twards Clark. He's also pretty dissapointed in the Miami sale of ownership not going through yet. Plus the negative feedback the phins fans rightly had with the rumors of him coming there. Carl is truly out for himself and himself only.

And if Bill is pissed, he has a right to be in some ways. I'm sure he realizes Clark couldn't go wrong hiring who he did but that still doesn't take away the sting of him not being considered. He has and does thrive to be the top man again and that dissapointment is very understandable.

I just don't see, no matter if someone had an agenda or not, how this comes out favoring Bill. Maybe Judge didn't have anything better to write about.

booger
01-15-2009, 08:20 AM
Carl is gone

The Stupid obviously isn't

yep

some people treat this like their favorite soap opera is getting canceled.

MahiMike
01-15-2009, 08:51 AM
A clean sweep is a clean sweep. Doesn't matter how good someone from the old regime is. The new King must rid himself of all leftover material. If he didn't, how would you judge success? If he does well, it's because of the leftovers. If he does poorly, it's because of himself? or vice-versa? You don't see Obama or any other new president keeping anyone of any importance left intact.

Speaking of leftovers, what's this talk about keeping Herm on staff because of his great drafting ability? Isn't the guy the head coach and not the personnel manager? Should we fire him as HC and bring him back as a scout? No thanks.

DTLB58
01-15-2009, 03:45 PM
I remember listening to Bill at the pre and post draft pressers last year and I really liked him.

I stated 2 weeks ago I hoped that he stayed on after the new GM hire and I stand by that.