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jlscorpio
01-22-2009, 12:00 AM
I'm not wild over Sanchez, but Kiper probably knows more than I do. IMO, you take BPA in the top 5, if not top 10. I think DE is our biggest need, but that would be a huge reach at #3 overall, and can probably be addressed in Rd 2.



1.Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia

BWillie
01-22-2009, 12:03 AM
That actually looks about right to be honest with you

KCCHIEFS27
01-22-2009, 12:07 AM
I'm not wild over Sanchez, but Kiper probably knows more than I do. IMO, you take BPA in the top 5, if not top 10. I think DE is our biggest need, but that would be a huge reach at #3 overall, and can probably be addressed in Rd 2.



1.Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia

If Kiper knew more than you, he'd probably be a GM by now. But he's not. So go ahead and criticize all you want. I'm not a fan of Sanchez at all.

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2009, 12:08 AM
One of the QB's, fine with me.

DaneMcCloud
01-22-2009, 12:59 AM
If BJ Raji continues to impress, he'll go much higher than 12, maybe in the top 3.

Chris Long and Raji could go a long way in Spagnoulo's defense.

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2009, 01:02 AM
If BJ Raji continues to impress, he'll go much higher than 12, maybe in the top 3.

Chris Long and Raji could go a long way in Spagnoulo's defense.

Rams could have a solid front line with Carriker and Clifton Ryan as well.

the Talking Can
01-22-2009, 07:38 AM
"seems" like a down year for the first round...

i'd prefer stafford, but will gladly take sanchez for a hamburger on Tuesday etc..

Rooster
01-22-2009, 08:12 AM
"seems" like a down year for the first round.....

I agree. That could change but nobody makes me giddy with anticipation.

Coogs
01-22-2009, 08:20 AM
Personally, I am for trading up with the Lions for the #1 overall spot this year to make sure we get the best QB.

Since the Lions alread have a later first round pick, maybe our 2nd rounder would be enough to get the deal done. It would get the Lions off of the big bucks for the #1 overall, and give them 4 overall picks out of the first 34 selections.

jjchieffan
01-22-2009, 08:42 AM
I hope he's wrong about Maclin. I would sure hate to see him in black and silver.

EyePod
01-22-2009, 09:06 AM
Here's the rest if anyone wants it:

<table><thead><tr><th>Pick</th> <th>Team</th> <th>Player</th> <th>Position</th> <th>College</th> </tr></thead> <tbody><tr class="last"><td>1</td><td>Detroit</td><td>Matthew Stafford (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24681)</td><td>QB</td><td>Georgia</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>2</td><td>St. Louis</td><td>Andre Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24678)</td><td>OT</td><td>Alabama</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>3</td><td>Kansas City</td><td>Mark Sanchez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24676)</td><td>QB </td><td>USC</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>4 </td><td>Seattle</td><td>Michael Crabtree (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24682) </td><td>WR </td><td>Texas Tech </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>5 </td><td>Cleveland </td><td>Aaron Curry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23926)</td><td>LB</td><td>Wake Forest</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>6 </td><td>Cincinnati</td><td>Jason Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24049) </td><td>OT</td><td>Baylor</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>7</td><td>Oakland</td><td>Jeremy Maclin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24673) </td><td>WR</td><td>Missouri</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>8 </td><td>Jacksonville </td><td>Eugene Monroe (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24096) </td><td>OT </td><td>Virginia</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>9 </td><td>Green Bay </td><td>Malcolm Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23967) </td><td>CB</td><td>Ohio St.</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>10 </td><td>San Francisco</td><td>Aaron Maybin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24714) </td><td>DE/OLB</td><td>Penn St.</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>11 </td><td>Buffalo</td><td>Brandon Pettigrew (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23982)</td><td>TE</td><td>Oklahoma St. </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>12 </td><td>Denver</td><td>B.J. Raji (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=160254)</td><td>DT</td><td>Boston College</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>13 </td><td>Washington</td><td>Brian Orakpo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24064)</td><td>DE</td><td>Texas </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>14 </td><td>New Orleans </td><td>Vontae Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24680) </td><td>CB </td><td>Illinois </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>15</td><td>Houston </td><td>Everette Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24695) </td><td>DE</td><td>Florida St.</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>16 </td><td>San Diego </td><td>Knowshon Moreno (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24685) </td><td>RB</td><td>Georgia</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>17 </td><td>New York Jets</td><td>Percy Harvin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24688) </td><td>WR </td><td>Florida </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>18 </td><td>Chicago</td><td>Tyson Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24607) </td><td>DE </td><td>LSU </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>19 </td><td>Tampa Bay </td><td>Josh Freeman (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24693) </td><td>QB </td><td>Kansas St. </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>20 </td><td>Detroit (from Dallas) </td><td>Rey Maualuga (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24662) </td><td>LB </td><td>USC </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>21 </td><td>Philadelphia </td><td>Chris "Beanie" Wells (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24674) </td><td>RB</td><td>Ohio St.</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>22 </td><td>Minnesota</td><td>Hakeem Nicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183652) </td><td>WR</td><td> North Carolina</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>23</td><td>New England </td><td>Brian Cushing (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24453) </td><td>LB </td><td>USC </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>24 </td><td>Atlanta</td><td>Larry English (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24322) </td><td>DE/OLB </td><td>No. Illinois</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>25 </td><td>Miami </td><td>Darrius Heyward-Bey (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=169167) </td><td>WR </td><td>Mryland </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>26 </td><td> Baltimore</td><td>D.J. Moore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24696&draftyear=2009) </td><td>CB </td><td>Vanderbilt</td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>27 </td><td>Indianapolis</td><td>Peria Jerry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23891)</td><td>DT </td><td>Mississippi </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>28 </td><td>Philadelphia (from Carolina)</td><td>Michael Oher (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23889) </td><td>OT </td><td>Mississippi </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>29 </td><td>New York Giants</td><td>James Laurinaitis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23966) </td><td>LB </td><td>Ohio St. </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>30 </td><td>Tennessee </td><td>Michael Johnson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24514) </td><td>DE </td><td>Georgia Tech </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>31 </td><td>Arizona </td><td>LeSean McCoy (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24689&draftyear=2009) </td><td>RB </td><td>Pittsburgh </td></tr> <tr class="last"><td>32 </td><td>Pittsburgh </td><td>Alex Mack (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24663) </td><td>C </td><td>California </td></tr></tbody></table>

EyePod
01-22-2009, 09:07 AM
I can't believe that Johnson would drop that far. I would love it if we could get him too. Also, is Oher really gonna drop to fucking 28?

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:20 AM
I can't believe that Johnson would drop that far. I would love it if we could get him too. Also, is Oher really gonna drop to fucking 28?

From all of the Senior Bowl reports.....he's too inconsistent. He'll dominate and then get dominated.

PhillyChiefFan
01-22-2009, 09:23 AM
Why did Michael Oher drop so far? He use to be listed Top 5

PhillyChiefFan
01-22-2009, 09:23 AM
I can't believe that Johnson would drop that far. I would love it if we could get him too. Also, is Oher really gonna drop to ****ing 28?

Beat me to it, WTH is with him dropping that far?

PhillyChiefFan
01-22-2009, 09:24 AM
From all of the Senior Bowl reports.....he's too inconsistent. He'll dominate and then get dominated.

Johnson or Oher?

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:24 AM
I'm really hoping for a Stafford/Sanchez 1st round and a Clint Sintim 2nd round.

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:25 AM
Johnson or Oher?

Oher

EyePod
01-22-2009, 09:27 AM
Oher

I would love it to get Smith and put him in at RT.... that would solidify us FOREVER.

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:32 AM
I would love it to get Smith and put him in at RT.... that would solidify us FOREVER.

Why would you pay a RT that much money?

blaise
01-22-2009, 09:43 AM
I don't think Seattle takes Crabtree.

EyePod
01-22-2009, 09:44 AM
Why would you pay a RT that much money?

Because we would have the most dominant pair of T's for years to come. In 1 year you wouldn't be whining about it. And we have the cap room to spare now.

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:46 AM
Because we would have the most dominant pair of T's for years to come. In 1 year you wouldn't be whining about it. And we have the cap room to spare now.

Yeah and then when Albert's rookie contract is up....we'll have two tackles that are making over $50 million dollars.

blaise
01-22-2009, 09:46 AM
Actually I think that's the way the Chiefs go- with Smith. (Andre that is)

Pestilence
01-22-2009, 09:48 AM
Actually I think that's the way the Chiefs go- with Smith. (Andre that is)

We have WAY bigger needs that need to be filled. Drafting a RT with the 3rd overall pick is retarded. And don't say that he can play LT and we'll just move Albert somewhere else.

Fucking Christ.....we have a chance to draft our QBOTF and people want to take a RT. :cuss:

blaise
01-22-2009, 09:56 AM
We have WAY bigger needs that need to be filled. Drafting a RT with the 3rd overall pick is retarded. And don't say that he can play LT and we'll just move Albert somewhere else.

****ing Christ.....we have a chance to draft our QBOTF and people want to take a RT. :cuss:


#1. I didn't say I would do that, just that I think that's what the Chiefs would do. I think Smith could be a bust.

#2. I don't think picking another tackle is retarded. You just need guys that can play. The O-line isn't any great shakes right now.

Ebolapox
01-22-2009, 10:05 AM
If Kiper knew more than you, he'd probably be a GM by now. But he's not. So go ahead and criticize all you want. I'm not a fan of Sanchez at all.

errr, he makes MUCH more than most nfl gms make.

Ebolapox
01-22-2009, 10:05 AM
errr, he makes MUCH more than most nfl gms make.

AND he works much less than most nfl gms work. he has the perfect job. why fuck that up?

EyePod
01-22-2009, 10:08 AM
If Kiper knew more than you, he'd probably be a GM by now. But he's not. So go ahead and criticize all you want. I'm not a fan of Sanchez at all.

Are you kidding? Did you see how well his fucking draft went last year? He got so many right...

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2009, 10:27 AM
I can't believe that Johnson would drop that far. I would love it if we could get him too. Also, is Oher really gonna drop to ****ing 28?

You have Johnson way to highly rated.

blaise
01-22-2009, 10:36 AM
You have Johnson way to highly rated.

I've seen Eugene Monroe rated higher than Smith on some mocks.

Sam Hall
01-22-2009, 11:04 AM
I'm fine with Sanchez if he impresses at the combine and the Chiefs sign some offensive linemen in free agency.

Chiefnj2
01-22-2009, 11:23 AM
Does Kiper have a top 100 players list?

mlyonsd
01-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Maybe it's just me but if we take Sanchez over Crabtree I'm gonna be pi**ed.

Pablo
01-22-2009, 11:28 AM
Why is Rey dropping down to 20?

talastan
01-22-2009, 11:31 AM
I like this draft quite a bit. Especially if Michael Johnson falls that far. Not too hard to try and trade up into the late first and snatch him up. Not that I'd want him but would Oakland be really interested in Maclin? Just curious....

Ebolapox
01-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Maybe it's just me but if we take Sanchez over Crabtree I'm gonna be pi**ed.

NFT: when the fuck did pissed become a cuss word?

EyePod
01-22-2009, 11:36 AM
Does Kiper have a top 100 players list?

I only found his top 25.

<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td width="35%">Player</td><td width="10%">Yr.</td><td width="10%">Pos.</td><td width="35%">School</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>1. Michael Crabtree (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24682)</td><td>So.</td><td>WR</td><td>Texas Tech</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>2. Aaron Curry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23926)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>LB</td><td>Wake Forest</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>3. Andre Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24678)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>OT</td><td>Alabama</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>4. Matthew Stafford (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24681)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>QB</td><td>Georgia</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>5. Mark Sanchez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24676)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>QB</td><td>USC</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>6. Jason Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24049)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>OT</td><td>Baylor</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>7. Malcolm Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23967)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>CB</td><td>Ohio State</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>8. Eugene Monroe (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24096)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>OT</td><td>Virginia</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>9. Jeremy Maclin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24673)</td><td>So.</td><td>WR</td><td>Missouri</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>10. B.J. Raji (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24657)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>DT</td><td>Boston College</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>11. Brian Orakpo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24064)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>DE</td><td>Texas</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>12. Aaron Maybin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24714)</td><td>So.</td><td>DE</td><td>Penn St.</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>13. Chris "Beanie" Wells (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24674)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>RB</td><td>Ohio St.</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>14. Brandon Pettigrew (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23982)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>TE</td><td>Oklahoma St.</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>15. Knowshown Moreno (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24685)</td><td>So.</td><td>RB</td><td>Georgia</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>16. Percy Harvin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24688)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>WR</td><td>Florida</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>17. Vontae Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24680)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>CB</td><td>Illinois</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>18. Everette Brown (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24695)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>DE</td><td>Florida St.</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>19. Rey Maualuga (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24662) </td><td>Sr.</td><td>LB</td><td>USC</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>20. Tyson Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24607)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>DE</td><td>LSU</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>21. D.J. Moore (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24696)</td><td>Jr.</td><td>CB</td><td>Vanderbilt</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>22. Brian Cushing (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24453)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>LB</td><td>USC</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>23. Peria Jerry (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23891)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>DT</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>24. Larry English (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=24322)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>LB</td><td>No. Illinois</td></tr> <tr class="evenrow"><td>25. Michael Oher (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&id=23889)</td><td>Sr.</td><td>OT</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr></tbody></table>

mlyonsd
01-22-2009, 11:36 AM
NFT: when the **** did pissed become a cuss word?

It's not really, just typed it in that way in case kids were viewing.

EyePod
01-22-2009, 11:37 AM
NFT: when the **** did pissed become a cuss word?

I think he might have done that himself, cause I can read your "pissed." And I find it really amusing when people say "cuss" instead of curse. There was this whiny kid at Walmart who was arguing with someone on the phone and got mad when the caller started "cussing" at him. He slammed the phone down and was crying like a little bitch. This is all I can think of when people say "cuss."

Pioli Zombie
01-22-2009, 12:58 PM
Having lived in New England and followed Pioli closely it would shock me if the Chiefs dont trade down.

Brock
01-22-2009, 01:11 PM
Having lived in New England and followed Pioli closely it would shock me if the Chiefs dont trade down.

Hard to do.

blaise
01-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Hard to do.
Especially now that Bradford's staying in school.
Unless you just want to be cheap like the Vikings were a few years ago and "accidentally" let your time expire so you drop a slot and have to pay your first round pick less money.

buddha
01-22-2009, 01:19 PM
Sanchez is way too risky to pick with #3. Dude had a disappointing season by almost all accounts until he cut loose in the Rose Bowl. That's not enough to warrant such a high pick.

I thought the Josh Freeman to T-Bay in the middle of the first round was comical. How many picks does he have to throw before people wake up and see this guy for what he is? Looks like Tarzan, throws like Jane without her glasses.

DrRyan
01-22-2009, 04:13 PM
Why is Rey dropping down to 20?

From what I saw on NFLN the other day scouts were saying he showed up looking rusty, fat and confused during practices. I think that was either Monday or Tuesday when Mayock and the other guy were both saying that.

aturnis
01-22-2009, 04:37 PM
Actually I think that's the way the Chiefs go- with Smith. (Andre that is)

Mark my words. That will NOT happen. No way in hell the Chiefs dedicate that much money to TWO positions on the o-line. No way, no how.

Mecca
01-22-2009, 08:23 PM
Only on Chiefsplanet could Mark Sanchez losing 1 game, and having a 34-10 TD-INT number be considered a disappointing season..I swear some people say the dumbest things.

Also I'm sorry Big 12 homerism the Chiefs should not in any way be considering Michael Crabtree.

ChiefsCountry
01-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Also I'm sorry Big 12 homerism the Chiefs should not in any way be considering Michael Crabtree.

I got some intresting draft stats for you guys. I'll do it tommorrow, kind of busy tonight. Just keep that Big 12 thing in mind.

Mecca
01-22-2009, 08:41 PM
Michael Crabtree is Dwayne Bowe with slightly better hands.....

That's why this team shouldn't be looking at him, if he was the elite Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson level ok different situation then.

I should probably throw Moss up there since he was really the platinum ultimate standard for grading a WR on talent, his character concerns dropped him but his pick likely goes down as one of the biggest steals in modern draft history..every single team that passed on him should kick themselves to this day.

blaise
01-22-2009, 09:23 PM
Michael Crabtree is Dwayne Bowe with slightly better hands.....

That's why this team shouldn't be looking at him, if he was the elite Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson level ok different situation then.

I should probably throw Moss up there since he was really the platinum ultimate standard for grading a WR on talent, his character concerns dropped him but his pick likely goes down as one of the biggest steals in modern draft history..every single team that passed on him should kick themselves to this day.

Other than the Colts.

Sam Hall
01-22-2009, 10:18 PM
Stafford looks legit, but I get the feeling some people want a quarterback just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. I agree with Pete Carroll that Sanchez shouldn't have come out yet.

DrRyan
01-22-2009, 10:33 PM
Michael Crabtree is Dwayne Bowe with slightly better hands.....

That's why this team shouldn't be looking at him, if he was the elite Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson level ok different situation then.

I should probably throw Moss up there since he was really the platinum ultimate standard for grading a WR on talent, his character concerns dropped him but his pick likely goes down as one of the biggest steals in modern draft history..every single team that passed on him should kick themselves to this day.

I agree with you on the Crabtree assessment. IMO Maclin would be a much better compliment to Bowe than Crabtree. I am in now way, shape or form suggesting drafting Maclin with our pick, but feel his speed would be a better fit than Crabtree.

I am not big on Sanchez or Stafford. Of the two, I like Stafford better and if QB is the route Pioli goes I trust his judgment until he starts reminding me of Carl(likely never).

DaneMcCloud
01-22-2009, 10:53 PM
I'm fine with Sanchez if he impresses at the combine and the Chiefs sign some offensive linemen in free agency.

Like who? Have you looked at the eligible free agents? I'd say there are two guys the Chiefs might target and both are guards, Jahri Evans and Jason Brown.

There is no long term solution at right tackle or center. They'll need to come from the draft.

DaneMcCloud
01-22-2009, 10:55 PM
Stafford looks legit, but I get the feeling some people want a quarterback just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. I agree with Pete Carroll that Sanchez shouldn't have come out yet.

Yeah, because you watched him progress for four years at USC?

I'd wager that you've seen him play in ONE game, tops.

FWIW, I talked to a pretty powerful booster at a party last night who told me that Carroll is pissed because he wanted the National Championship this year and none of his QB's are even close to being as good as Sanchez. Especially since they're losing so many defensive players.

DaneMcCloud
01-22-2009, 10:57 PM
Sanchez is way too risky to pick with #3. Dude had a disappointing season by almost all accounts until he cut loose in the Rose Bowl. That's not enough to warrant such a high pick.

WHAT?

cdcox
01-22-2009, 11:40 PM
best mock ever

Sam Hall
01-22-2009, 11:42 PM
Dane, I understand that Sanchez was your guy at USC, but there's good reason to be leery of him.

Sam Hall
01-22-2009, 11:45 PM
Like who? Have you looked at the eligible free agents? I'd say there are two guys the Chiefs might target and both are guards, Jahri Evans and Jason Brown.

There is no long term solution at right tackle or center. They'll need to come from the draft.

I have looked at the free agents, and there were several good names out there. Who knows if those guys will resign with their current team. I don't think anybody can say for sure who the Chiefs might try to sign.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 12:02 AM
I have looked at the free agents, and there were several good names out there. Who knows if those guys will resign with their current team. I don't think anybody can say for sure who the Chiefs might try to sign.

Give us examples.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 12:03 AM
I choose to believe Pete Carroll when he says Sanchez doesn't have enough experience. I think USC loses too many key defensive players to win a national title next year, even if Sanchez had returned. If Carroll is nervous about having a new starting QB next year, than every coach in America who has a new starting QB should be terribly frightened.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Give us examples.

Jordan Gross
Vernon Carey
Jon Stinchcomb
Khalif Barnes
Max Starks
Willie Colon
Chris Kemoeatu
Floyd Womack
Jahri Evans
Cory Procter
Harvey Dahl
Jason Brown
Nick Cole
Ben Wilkerson

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 12:56 AM
Jordan Gross
Vernon Carey
Jon Stinchcomb
Khalif Barnes
Max Starks
Willie Colon
Chris Kemoeatu
Floyd Womack
Jahri Evans
Cory Procter
Harvey Dahl
Jason Brown
Nick Cole
Ben Wilkerson

You just copied and pasted the free agent list.

If you're going to state that the Chiefs can upgrade, you have to give specific examples.

Otherwise, it's just BS.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2009, 01:01 AM
There is 4 guys on that list worth going after - Barnes, Evans, Brown and Carey. Gross would but you would have to pay LT money for a RT which is stupid. Evans is a RFA so scratch him off. Which leaves Barnes, Brown, and Carey.

Mecca
01-23-2009, 01:05 AM
The way it was setup at SC was for most of the defense to leave and be young next year while the offense returning all but 1 starter who wasn't a huge deal anyway in Patrick Turner would carry the team..

With Sanchez leaving that all changes because now you have to break in another QB and frankly Barkley isn't going to play and the other 2 guys weren't great shakes heading into this past season...

Sanchez is without a doubt a top 10 pick, Carroll has told players to leave sure he had a player to replace them, Sanchez declaring for himself which is what he did, he made the best decision for his own personal interest. Carroll is upset because even as a SC fan I know this Mark Sanchez is basically the difference in USC maybe being national champion next year and having the first season without 11 wins in 8 years....

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 01:12 AM
There is 4 guys on that list worth going after - Barnes, Evans, Brown and Carey. Gross would but you would have to pay LT money for a RT which is stupid. Evans is a RFA so scratch him off. Which leaves Barnes, Brown, and Carey.

I don't think Parcells lets Carey go anywhere.

Brown may be the only guy and he's a right guard.

Barnes is shit. I would really hate the to see the Chief convert another left tackle over to the right side.

Just fucking draft a right tackle in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th and be done.

driver2
01-23-2009, 06:59 AM
Kiper is a tool! Rumor out of Detroit is They are going to pass on Stafford and go ol/dl.
This throws everything up in the air. I wouldn't be suprised if they went rb in the 1st.

I'm new here whats this casino cash thing?

Brock
01-23-2009, 08:00 AM
Stafford looks legit, but I get the feeling some people want a quarterback just for the sake of drafting a quarterback. I agree with Pete Carroll that Sanchez shouldn't have come out yet.

But you're fine with taking him if he lights it up at the combine? ROFL

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 08:28 AM
You just copied and pasted the free agent list.

If you're going to state that the Chiefs can upgrade, you have to give specific examples.

Otherwise, it's just BS.

There are several players on that list who are better than what the Chiefs have.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 08:32 AM
[QUOTE=Brock;5417740]But you're fine with taking him if he lights it up at the combine and the Chiefs sign a couple offense linemen?


FYP

I'm fine with Sanchez if Pioli likes him, but they need a better offensive line.

Brock
01-23-2009, 08:40 AM
[QUOTE]

FYP

I'm fine with Sanchez if Pioli likes him, but they need a better offensive line.

Seems to me if you think Carroll was right, then taking Sanchez with a number 3 overall pick should seem like a bad thing to do, no matter how he performed at the combine.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 10:41 AM
There are several players on that list who are better than what the Chiefs have.

Well, as I asked you earlier, please tell me which players you'd sign.

Don't give me this "there's much better players" BS.

Man up.

Pestilence
01-23-2009, 10:50 AM
I don't think Parcells lets Carey go anywhere.

Brown may be the only guy and he's a right guard.

Barnes is shit. I would really hate the to see the Chief convert another left tackle over to the right side.

Just fucking draft a right tackle in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th and be done.

Scout.com has Brown listed at center. If he can play center....then sign him as our #1 FA and move Niswanger to RG. Grab a RT in the 3rd or 4th round and our O-line isn't THAT bad anymore.

I say #1 FA because I'd love to have Suggs here but I don't think the Ravens will be letting him leave.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Well, as I asked you earlier, please tell me which players you'd sign.

Don't give me this "there's much better players" BS.

Man up.

Gross, Carey, Stinchcomb, Starks, Colon, Kemoeatu, Evans, Procter, Dahl, Brown, Cole and Wilkerson are guys I'd look at. I don't think you can come after me like you're an expert about this. Nobody knows what Pioli will do, but you can't say they don't have options in free agency.

DJ's left nut
01-23-2009, 11:21 AM
I don't think Seattle takes Crabtree.

That's the only cinch pick I see in the entire draft. I have no clue who else will go where, but I'm nearly certain that Seattle will take Crabtree if he's there.

I think I'd actually take him at 3rd, but nobody asked me.

Micjones
01-23-2009, 11:51 AM
I'd gladly take Jason Brown and Khalif Barnes.
Move Niswanger back to Right Guard.

New Center, Right Guard, and Right Tackle.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2009, 12:02 PM
Just ****ing draft a right tackle in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th and be done.

I would rather do this.

SenselessChiefsFan
01-23-2009, 12:16 PM
I'm not wild over Sanchez, but Kiper probably knows more than I do. IMO, you take BPA in the top 5, if not top 10. I think DE is our biggest need, but that would be a huge reach at #3 overall, and can probably be addressed in Rd 2.



1.Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.
11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St.
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas
14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois
15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St.
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia

If you take the best player available, then Michael Crabtree is the pick. If you take the safest pick, you take Monroe.

I hope it isn't Sanchez, but if it IS Sanchez, I will be pulling for him.

DJ's left nut
01-23-2009, 12:29 PM
If you take the best player available, then Michael Crabtree is the pick. If you take the safest pick, you take Monroe.

I hope it isn't Sanchez, but if it IS Sanchez, I will be pulling for him.

Safest pick is Curry, IMO.

There's no way he doesn't end up one of the top 3 all-purpose OLBs in the NFL within the next 3 years. That said, it's still an OLB, I have a hard time picking one that high

Pestilence
01-23-2009, 12:40 PM
Safest pick is Curry, IMO.

There's no way he doesn't end up one of the top 3 all-purpose OLBs in the NFL within the next 3 years. That said, it's still an OLB, I have a hard time picking one that high

IF and that's a big if.......we take Curry with the #3 pick....then he better be our MLB.

Ari Chi3fs
01-23-2009, 12:47 PM
I really want Andre Smith... I think our OLine would be set for YEARS with Albert and Smith.

Pestilence
01-23-2009, 12:49 PM
I really want Andre Smith... I think our OLine would be set for YEARS with Albert and Smith.

So then we have a RT with a $50 million dollar contract. Albert at LT is then going to want a new contract because he's a LT and has done better than his draft position.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 12:54 PM
Gross, Carey, Stinchcomb, Starks, Colon, Kemoeatu, Evans, Procter, Dahl, Brown, Cole and Wilkerson are guys I'd look at. I don't think you can come after me like you're an expert about this. Nobody knows what Pioli will do, but you can't say they don't have options in free agency.

Clearly, you're just listing names again.

Starks and Colon SUCK. The Steelers offensive line is absolutely pathetic.

Gross is going to want left tackle money.

Stinchcomb's just a guy at this point. If he'd take a one year deal if the Chiefs can't grab a RT in the draft, I guess he'd be a mild upgrade.

Evans and Brown are the only guys that really fill the Chiefs needs long term and it's anyone's guess as to their availability at this point.

Bottom line: Free agency isn't going to solve the Chiefs needs this year in regards to the offensive line.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 12:56 PM
I'd gladly take Jason Brown and Khalif Barnes.
Move Niswanger back to Right Guard.

New Center, Right Guard, and Right Tackle.

Khalif Barnes is just a younger version of Sackintosh. A left tackle who's average at best that would need to moved to the right side. There's no guarantee he'd be any better than Sac.

No thanks.

Demonpenz
01-23-2009, 12:58 PM
Because we would have the most dominant pair of T's for years to come. In 1 year you wouldn't be whining about it. And we have the cap room to spare now.

I would love it too, people will say why would you do that, well because we will be set at the fricking tackle position instead of worrying about the money

Pitt Gorilla
01-23-2009, 12:59 PM
Maybe it's just me but if we take Sanchez over Crabtree I'm gonna be pi**ed.Mark it down, my friend, I agree about Crabtree. Having another legit receiver could do wonders for this offense. I think Pioli could grab a good QB later in the draft.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2009, 01:04 PM
Mark it down, my friend, I agree about Crabtree. Having another legit receiver could do wonders for this offense. I think Pioli could grab a good QB later in the draft.

A legit franchise QB would do more wonders than a WR.

jspchief
01-23-2009, 01:09 PM
So Sanchez isn't ready yet.... So what? It's not like this team is a QB away from being a contender anyway. If Stafford is gone, bring in Sanchez and let him fight for the job. If he can't beat out Thigpen then at least he'll get a year's worth of NFL tutoring from the sideline.

As for Crabtree... WR had better be near the bottom of the priority list for this team. If you guys think a WR is the way to build a winner, go root for Detroit.

jspchief
01-23-2009, 01:09 PM
A legit franchise QB would do more wonders than a WR.Matt Millen disagrees.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 01:18 PM
Clearly, you're just listing names again.

Starks and Colon SUCK. The Steelers offensive line is absolutely pathetic.

Gross is going to want left tackle money.

Stinchcomb's just a guy at this point. If he'd take a one year deal if the Chiefs can't grab a RT in the draft, I guess he'd be a mild upgrade.

Evans and Brown are the only guys that really fill the Chiefs needs long term and it's anyone's guess as to their availability at this point.

Bottom line: Free agency isn't going to solve the Chiefs needs this year in regards to the offensive line.

You can choose to be pessimistic, but don't say I haven't presented some options. You aren't an expert. The Steelers offensive line has improved throughout the season.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 01:21 PM
I will gladly support Sanchez or Stafford, and I'd be concerned for their safety because of our offensive line.

jspchief
01-23-2009, 01:29 PM
I will gladly support Sanchez or Stafford, and I'd be concerned for their safety because of our offensive line.We traded away our best defensive player to shore up that line last year. You can only do so much to one area before the neglect to other areas starts to bring you down.

A QB that can make good, quick decisions can help an O-line almost as much as a staunch O-line can help a QB.

DJ's left nut
01-23-2009, 01:31 PM
I'm going to be curious to see what Crabtree runs at the combine. Some of the CP folks seem to see him as a step below A. and C. Johnson or L. Fitzgerald as prospects and I just don't see it. Crabtree is right alongside those 3 as elite level WR prospects, IMO. Big, fast and strong, he catches the ball with his hands and is an above average route runner (he's not Holt or Harrison, but he still does better than most). He's a good jumper and has room on his frame for a little more weight without slowing down.

If he runs a 4.30-4.40 I think you consider him with those guys. CJ would be a little bigger than the other three, Fitzgerald would be the slowest, but all of them project as similar weapons.

I don't understand why folks are understating Crabtree's ability, he can absolutely put him self in the elite class of NFL WRs.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm going to be curious to see what Crabtree runs at the combine. Some of the CP folks seem to see him as a step below A. and C. Johnson or L. Fitzgerald as prospects and I just don't see it. Crabtree is right alongside those 3 as elite level WR prospects, IMO. Big, fast and strong, he catches the ball with his hands and is an above average route runner (he's not Holt or Harrison, but he still does better than most). He's a good jumper and has room on his frame for a little more weight without slowing down.

If he runs a 4.30-4.40 I think you consider him with those guys. CJ would be a little bigger than the other three, Fitzgerald would be the slowest, but all of them project as similar weapons.

I don't understand why folks are understating Crabtree's ability, he can absolutely put him self in the elite class of NFL WRs.

He plays in a spread offense. That is the big red flag for me. Same with Maclin.

DJ's left nut
01-23-2009, 02:09 PM
He plays in a spread offense. That is the big red flag for me. Same with Maclin.

Offenses matter much less for WRs than for QBs, IMO.

Speed, strength, size, leaping ability and proper catching technique will translate regardless of the offense. He's shown things like toughness and a gamer's spirit that will also translate. With QBs, you never know how they'll adapt as triggermen. With WRs, nearly everything they do in the spread can be dissected and applied equally to a conventional offense. The things that made him effective in a spread will make him equally effective in a pro offense.

There will be the same rookie adjustment that nearly all WRs have to make (including those cited in this thread), but he'll be a great one shortly thereafter, IMO.

His stats aren't worth getting worked up over, but his ability is.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 02:36 PM
We traded away our best defensive player to shore up that line last year. You can only do so much to one area before the neglect to other areas starts to bring you down.

A QB that can make good, quick decisions can help an O-line almost as much as a staunch O-line can help a QB.

That's the first time I've heard someone say the offensive line is fine. It takes more than Albert. The Chiefs have enough cap space to sign another linemen or two and a couple defensive players.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 03:18 PM
You can choose to be pessimistic, but don't say I haven't presented some options. You aren't an expert. The Steelers offensive line has improved throughout the season.

The Steelers offensive line blows, they have not improved and if you haven't seen them in action, wait until next Sunday.

Furthermore, I DID mention Brown and Evans as possible signees but the best course of action, IMO is through the draft.

And Khalif Barnes sucks. That's why Jacksonville won't move him to the right side when they draft a left tackle in the 2009 draft.

And what's with this "you're not an expert" bullshit? If you can't logically look at that free agent list and determine what would be the best solution for the Chiefs in 2009 (if there is a solution), then you shouldn't be participating in the conversation.

Anyone and copy and paste.

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 03:24 PM
The Steelers offensive line blows, they have not improved and if you haven't seen them in action, wait until next Sunday.

Furthermore, I DID mention Brown and Evans as possible signees but the best course of action, IMO is through the draft.

And Khalif Barnes sucks. That's why Jacksonville won't move him to the right side when they draft a left tackle in the 2009 draft.

And what's with this "you're not an expert" bullshit? If you can't logically look at that free agent list and determine what would be the best solution for the Chiefs in 2009 (if there is a solution), then you shouldn't be participating in the conversation.

Anyone and copy and paste.

:spock:

Sam Hall
01-23-2009, 03:31 PM
What do you want me to do? Analyze every free agent offensive linemen? Don't try to tell me that all but two of them suck. You're not going to change my mind by getting pissed off and acting like I'm an idiot. You want a rookie quarterback but you aren't worried about our offensive line. He won't be in position to succeed.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 04:09 PM
What do you want me to do? Analyze every free agent offensive linemen? Don't try to tell me that all but two of them suck. You're not going to change my mind by getting pissed off and acting like I'm an idiot. You want a rookie quarterback but you aren't worried about our offensive line. He won't be in position to succeed.

Uh, I've been stating since April 2008 that the Chiefs need a center, right guard and right tackle to even have a chance to compete.

The Chiefs will need to find these guys in the DRAFT, not through free agency. There are only two guys that could possibly fill a long term need. The others are over-the-hill or they suck or in the case of Gross, he'll want left tackle money to play on the right side. I'd rather have Monroe, Oher or Smith if that's the case.

Mecca
01-23-2009, 06:28 PM
Look offensive line people, the Chiefs used their 1st round pick on their LT last year right? That means they don't need to use another 1st round pick on the OL the rest of the line can be built through FA and mid-late round draft picks..

This is the year to take a QB..next year will likely be the year they use the 1st pick on a DE, this takes time but this is the best chance the Chiefs have ever had to get a legit QB and some people just want to piss it away on another OT or a damn LB.

DaneMcCloud
01-23-2009, 07:05 PM
Look offensive line people, the Chiefs used their 1st round pick on their LT last year right? That means they don't need to use another 1st round pick on the OL the rest of the line can be built through FA and mid-late round draft picks..

This is the year to take a QB..next year will likely be the year they use the 1st pick on a DE, this takes time but this is the best chance the Chiefs have ever had to get a legit QB and some people just want to piss it away on another OT or a damn LB.

Because they're idiots.

LJ will be gone for a pick. TG may be gone for a pick (or two). I'd be surprised if the Chiefs didn't move around a bit. The offensive line will be addressed.

Just not with the #3 pick.

ChiefsCountry
01-23-2009, 07:24 PM
Look offensive line people, the Chiefs used their 1st round pick on their LT last year right? That means they don't need to use another 1st round pick on the OL the rest of the line can be built through FA and mid-late round draft picks..

This is the year to take a QB..next year will likely be the year they use the 1st pick on a DE, this takes time but this is the best chance the Chiefs have ever had to get a legit QB and some people just want to piss it away on another OT or a damn LB.

Thigpen is the QBOTF. We dont need one. :shake:

Mecca
01-23-2009, 07:45 PM
Thigpen is the QBOTF. We dont need one. :shake:

Yea we have a few phrases for the people that really believe that.

DeezNutz
01-23-2009, 07:48 PM
Look offensive line people, the Chiefs used their 1st round pick on their LT last year right? That means they don't need to use another 1st round pick on the OL the rest of the line can be built through FA and mid-late round draft picks..

This is the year to take a QB..next year will likely be the year they use the 1st pick on a DE, this takes time but this is the best chance the Chiefs have ever had to get a legit QB and some people just want to piss it away on another OT or a damn LB.

This made me laugh.

ChiefFan31
01-23-2009, 09:43 PM
I'm really hoping for a Stafford/Sanchez 1st round and a Clint Sintim 2nd round.

I could deal with that as well. Definitely rooting for one of the two QB's at #3

Will be interesting to see who falls into the early 2nd rd for us

chiefs99
01-24-2009, 12:00 AM
DEFENSE wins

sanchez is another matt lienart but worse let a guy 50 mil just to hold a clip board

Mecca
01-24-2009, 12:52 AM
DEFENSE wins

sanchez is another matt lienart but worse let a guy 50 mil just to hold a clip board

Man the noobs around here are pretty bad...

milkman
01-24-2009, 10:12 AM
I don't think Parcells lets Carey go anywhere.

Brown may be the only guy and he's a right guard.

Barnes is shit. I would really hate the to see the Chief convert another left tackle over to the right side.

Just ****ing draft a right tackle in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th and be done.

I agree with you, overall, but I will say this.

Barnes is slightly more athletic and stronger than Mac, so a transition may not be a failure for him, but I would, like you, much rather put together an O-Line through the draft than sign someone like Barnes.

eazyb81
01-24-2009, 11:22 AM
Nice to see us taking Sanchez, but it is unnerving to see everyone go in this direction so early.

It's very rare for the top of the draft to be figured out in January.

Dayze
01-24-2009, 12:32 PM
Yeah and then when Albert's rookie contract is up....we'll have two tackles that are making over $50 million dollars.

+1

ChiefsCountry
01-24-2009, 02:53 PM
It's very rare for the top of the draft to be figured out in January.

Its going to take some wacky weed or a stripper or just poor workouts not to push Stafford or Sanchez out of the top 5.

DeezNutz
01-24-2009, 03:28 PM
Its going to take some wacky weed or a stripper or just poor workouts not to push Stafford or Sanchez out of the top 5.

I agree with this.

And I also think that this is a year where we might see a team make a trade to get into the top 5.

The shortage of top-end talent and these two players might be too tantalizing to pass up.

Sam Hall
01-24-2009, 05:04 PM
It's understandable that USC fans want Sanchez. I'm fine with it under three conditions: Sanchez proves worthy of the third pick, the Chiefs sign one free agent starter on the offensive line and they draft an offensive linemen sometime in the first couple rounds.

theorangelion
01-24-2009, 05:10 PM
Sanchez is a reach at the third spot. We would be better to find a lineman.:D

milkman
01-24-2009, 06:17 PM
Sanchez is a reach at the third spot. We would be better to find a lineman.:D

If you're a Chiefs fan, what the hell possessed you to use orange as part of your user name?

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2009, 06:20 PM
Actually I think that's the way the Chiefs go- with Smith. (Andre that is)Actually, I think that's fucking retarded.

blaise
01-25-2009, 01:36 AM
Actually, I think that's ****ing retarded.

And we all know teams never make picks that fans think are retarded.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 01:59 AM
It's understandable that USC fans want Sanchez. I'm fine with it under three conditions: Sanchez proves worthy of the third pick, the Chiefs sign one free agent starter on the offensive line and they draft an offensive linemen sometime in the first couple rounds.

Who the fuck said anything about USC fans? This isn't some type of "Let's draft Chase Daniel" bullshit, Sanchez is a legitimate Top 5 prospect.

I couldn't give a fuck where a guy played his ball. If he's the best prospect at the given spot, draft him.

ESPECIALLY if you think he's a Franchise Quarterback.

blaise
01-25-2009, 02:23 PM
I don't see why people assume it's beyond the realm of possibility for the Chiefs to draft an O-Lineman. Really, it hinges on what they think of Sanchez. For arguments sake, let's say they don't like Sanchez and Stafford is off the board. Who do you think they're going to draft?

Brock
01-25-2009, 02:29 PM
I would hope they wouldn't. They already have a damn good LT.

North Dakota Chief
01-25-2009, 02:30 PM
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College
16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia

BUSTS!!!! ROFL

blaise
01-25-2009, 02:42 PM
I guess I'm just saying that people act like it's so outlandish that they would have two first round picks on the O-line. If they don't like Sanchez, they already have a first round WR, a first round LB, a first round RB, and two first round D-Linemen on the roster. So if people believe you can't have two first rounders on a given unit they're basically saying the Chiefs have to take a defensive back? If they like Sanchez, great, go ahead. I'm not a scout, so I can't pretend to know if he's NFL Franchise QB material. But if the Chiefs don't like him I think an O-tackle is a real possibility.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 02:50 PM
I guess I'm just saying that people act like it's so outlandish that they would have two first round picks on the O-line. If they don't like Sanchez, they already have a first round WR, a first round LB, a first round RB, and two first round D-Linemen on the roster. So if people believe you can't have two first rounders on a given unit they're basically saying the Chiefs have to take a defensive back? If they like Sanchez, great, go ahead. I'm not a scout, so I can't pretend to know if he's NFL Franchise QB material. But if the Chiefs don't like him I think an O-tackle is a real possibility.

Because a successful NFL football team does not have in excess of $75 MILLION DOLLARS invested in TWO LEFT TACKLES!

Capice?

blaise
01-25-2009, 03:27 PM
Ok then, like I said, if they don't like Sanchez, and Stafford's off the board who do they take?

Mecca
01-25-2009, 04:11 PM
If you want to use the Patriots example, I think they'd take BJ Raji before they took an OT.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 04:17 PM
If you want to use the Patriots example, I think they'd take BJ Raji before they took an OT.

If for whatever reason, the Chiefs switch to a 3-4, I think they take Curry.

The way I see it at this point in time:

1. Stafford/Sanchez
2. Trade back
3. Switch to a 3-4, it's Curry
4. BAA (who may not be known at this time).

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 04:18 PM
If you want to use the Patriots example, I think they'd take BJ Raji before they took an OT.

Raji got owned yesterday

Mecca
01-25-2009, 04:22 PM
I don't see them using a top 5 pick on an LB that in a 3-4 is likely to be an MLB in that system.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 04:32 PM
I don't see them using a top 5 pick on an LB that in a 3-4 is likely to be an MLB in that system.

Are you saying that Curry would be an inside backer in a 3-4?

Huh?

Mecca
01-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Are you saying that Curry would be an inside backer in a 3-4?

Huh?

Yea I am...he's not a rush backer...

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 04:35 PM
Yea I am...he's not a rush backer...

Then if that's the case (and I don't know that you're correct), he shouldn't be in listed in the top 10.

Mecca
01-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Then if that's the case (and I don't know that you're correct), he shouldn't be in listed in the top 10.

He shouldn't be listed that high to begin with the last LB that went that high was Arrington and that is a decade ago.

PriestMVP31
01-25-2009, 05:06 PM
I just want to back up the people for Sanchez. If you watch him play, it's clear that he has better NFL tools than Stafford. I have seen Stafford play with bad footwork too much, which Sanchez steps into his throws. I could care less that he played on USC, he is a quality player with an NFL arm. Carroll's comments are sour grapes, i think.

I know people were screaming for Sanchez to start over John David Booty, so it's not like he surprised anyone this season with his play. He dominated Penn State in the Rose Bowl, and played well in the rest of his games, too. For some reason, we didn't hear much about USC this season, but Sanchez was phenomenal and deserves to be a high pick in this draft.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 05:11 PM
I just want to back up the people for Sanchez. If you watch him play, it's clear that he has better NFL tools than Stafford. I have seen Stafford play with bad footwork too much, which Sanchez steps into his throws. I could care less that he played on USC, he is a quality player with an NFL arm. Carroll's comments are sour grapes, i think.

I know people were screaming for Sanchez to start over John David Booty, so it's not like he surprised anyone this season with his play. He dominated Penn State in the Rose Bowl, and played well in the rest of his games, too. For some reason, we didn't hear much about USC this season, but Sanchez was phenomenal and deserves to be a high pick in this draft.

You didn't hear much about USC this year because they made the unforgivable mistake of losing a single game.

PriestMVP31
01-25-2009, 05:19 PM
Of course. I mean how could they lose on the road to a team that ended up 9-4 on the season?!?! Ludicrous!! They only beat their opponents by 30-40 points per game!

eazyb81
01-25-2009, 05:30 PM
If for whatever reason, the Chiefs switch to a 3-4, I think they take Curry.

The way I see it at this point in time:

1. Stafford/Sanchez
2. Trade back
3. Switch to a 3-4, it's Curry
4. BAA (who may not be known at this time).

Completely disagree. If we're going to a 3-4 and they don't want a QB, then an edge rusher like Everette Brown or a NT like Raji would make sense. Curry is an ILB in a 3-4.

Mecca
01-25-2009, 05:40 PM
All the stuff with Carroll and Sanchez is weird, last year all the offensive coaches told Carroll Sanchez deserved to start over Booty and he overruled them and wouldn't do it...Mark didn't get upset he waited.

Now that Mark made a decision for himself to go pro Pete is bitching a fit...

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Completely disagree. If we're going to a 3-4 and they don't want a QB, then an edge rusher like Everette Brown or a NT like Raji would make sense. Curry is an ILB in a 3-4.

Raji was owned yesterday. I think his stock went way down.

Everette Brown with the #3 overall pick? Seriously?

Cheeze529
01-25-2009, 06:13 PM
Why is Jason Smith ahead of both Monroe and Oher??

Sam Hall
01-25-2009, 06:30 PM
Who the **** said anything about USC fans? This isn't some type of "Let's draft Chase Daniel" bullshit, Sanchez is a legitimate Top 5 prospect.

You will have to deal with that until Sanchez proves worthy of a top 5 pick. I've seen mocks that have him sliding to 22. I'll take a QB that high under the three circumstances I mentioned earlier. I haven't decided which player is my favorite at 3, whether it be offense or defense.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 06:34 PM
You will have to deal with that until Sanchez proves worthy of a top 5 pick. I've seen mocks that have him sliding to 22.

Not by anyone noteworthy.

Sam Hall
01-25-2009, 06:39 PM
Not by anyone noteworthy.

Even from the best draft experts, it's all speculation and opinion at this point. There's a long way to go.

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 07:27 PM
Even from the best draft experts, it's all speculation and opinion at this point. There's a long way to go.

I don't agree with this statement.

I think that most people have a pretty good hold on the Top Ten players. Where they go is a mystery but I'd be extremely suspect of anyone racing up the charts into the top ten after the Combines.

Extremely suspect.

chiefs99
01-25-2009, 07:33 PM
trade back and get maualuga got to have the defense. the offense scored 2 TDs in 11 games the defense had over 2 TDs scored on them in 15 games

eazyb81
01-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Raji was owned yesterday. I think his stock went way down.

Everette Brown with the #3 overall pick? Seriously?

Raji dominated all week in practice, which is the most important part of the week. His stock has gone way up.

Everette Brown and Aaron Maybin are the top two 3-4 edge rushers, and depending on need they could go high.

I'm certainly not advocating any of these three for our #3 pick, but the question was who would Pioli possibly target if he didn't want a QB. Aaron Curry is a perfect fit in a 4-3 scheme, but he'd be kind of a waste in a 3-4.

eazyb81
01-25-2009, 07:39 PM
Why is Jason Smith ahead of both Monroe and Oher??

Because he's a good tackle prospect, and the top four tackles are closely jumbled together right now.

A lot of people have Andre Smith going #2 overall, and Mayock currently has him as his #3 tackle.

Nightfyre
01-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Tackle seems to be pretty highly targeted again in mock drafts this year. I wonder if Jacksonville isn't an actual trade down possibility for us, especially if the Lions and Rams both take tackles. Seattle and Oakland are ahead of Jax and may be inclined to take tackles, which may result in Jacksonville trading up. Then we could likely take our QB at 8, have an additional second rounder this year and another next year as well. Just an interesting possibility i've been running over.

Sam Hall
01-25-2009, 08:01 PM
I don't agree with this statement.

I think that most people have a pretty good hold on the Top Ten players. Where they go is a mystery but I'd be extremely suspect of anyone racing up the charts into the top ten after the Combines.

Extremely suspect.

OK, let's have the draft tomorrow:D

DaneMcCloud
01-25-2009, 08:26 PM
Raji dominated all week in practice, which is the most important part of the week. His stock has gone way up.

Everette Brown and Aaron Maybin are the top two 3-4 edge rushers, and depending on need they could go high.

I'm certainly not advocating any of these three for our #3 pick, but the question was who would Pioli possibly target if he didn't want a QB. Aaron Curry is a perfect fit in a 4-3 scheme, but he'd be kind of a waste in a 3-4.

Did you watch the game? Did you hear Mayock's comments?

Raji was "good" in practice this week; he didn't dominate.

Furthermore, he was a non-factor in the game and was very disappointing. He got owned by Caldwell, Wood and Luigs.

His stock went down after the game, not up.

Micjones
01-25-2009, 09:37 PM
Love the pick.
:D

kstater
01-26-2009, 04:23 AM
Sanchez is way too risky to pick with #3. Dude had a disappointing season by almost all accounts until he cut loose in the Rose Bowl. That's not enough to warrant such a high pick.

I thought the Josh Freeman to T-Bay in the middle of the first round was comical. How many picks does he have to throw before people wake up and see this guy for what he is? Looks like Tarzan, throws like Jane without her glasses.

He had a whopping 8 picks in almost 400 attempts this year. His INT have gone down in each of his 3 years. Clearly a sign of a player that hasn't improved at all.

eazyb81
01-26-2009, 06:15 AM
Did you watch the game? Did you hear Mayock's comments?

Raji was "good" in practice this week; he didn't dominate.

Furthermore, he was a non-factor in the game and was very disappointing. He got owned by Caldwell, Wood and Luigs.

His stock went down after the game, not up.

I watched the game, but again, the game is the least important part of the week. Why do you think the majority of scouts are gone by Thursday?

Raji had a huge week - most analysts said he was the star of the week, and he is a potential top ten pick now.

"Raji among biggest winners in Senior Bowl week"
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=510881

"BJ Raji....winner at Senior Bowl practices"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/super-bowl/01/23/seniorbowl5/

"Raji elevates NFL Draft status at Senior Bowl"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/114753-dt-bj-raji-elevates-nfl-draft-status-at-senior-bowl

Scott Wright and Todd McShay also were glowing about Raji's performance during the week, and are the ones that started the top ten talk that many are parroting now.

Are you going to admit you were wrong on Curry yet, or are you going to continue to deflect?

blaise
01-26-2009, 08:47 AM
If for whatever reason, the Chiefs switch to a 3-4, I think they take Curry.

The way I see it at this point in time:

1. Stafford/Sanchez
2. Trade back
3. Switch to a 3-4, it's Curry
4. BAA (who may not be known at this time).

So you're ok with two first round picks at linebacker, and what amounts to four first round picks on the defensive front seven, but not two at O-line.

Brock
01-26-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm not in favor of any plan that involves moving Albert from LT.

DaneMcCloud
01-26-2009, 11:00 AM
I watched the game, but again, the game is the least important part of the week. Why do you think the majority of scouts are gone by Thursday?

Raji had a huge week - most analysts said he was the star of the week, and he is a potential top ten pick now.

"Raji among biggest winners in Senior Bowl week"
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=510881

"BJ Raji....winner at Senior Bowl practices"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/super-bowl/01/23/seniorbowl5/

"Raji elevates NFL Draft status at Senior Bowl"
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/114753-dt-bj-raji-elevates-nfl-draft-status-at-senior-bowl

Scott Wright and Todd McShay also were glowing about Raji's performance during the week, and are the ones that started the top ten talk that many are parroting now.

Are you going to admit you were wrong on Curry yet, or are you going to continue to deflect?

I don't give a shit about practice. The game spoke volumes.

And what "wrong" do I have to admit about Curry?

JFC. You're fucking moron.

DaneMcCloud
01-26-2009, 11:02 AM
So you're ok with two first round picks at linebacker, and what amounts to four first round picks on the defensive front seven, but not two at O-line.

Dude, you're not paying attention.

I don't give a shit about "spending picks" on the front seven, etc. It's all about Best Available Athlete, with the exception of QB and left tackle.

It would be monumentally STUPID for the Chiefs to have in excess of $75 MILLION DOLLARS invested in two left tackles.

FUCKING STUPID.

Get it?

DaneMcCloud
01-26-2009, 11:03 AM
I'm not in favor of any plan that involves moving Albert from LT.

I would be absolutely, unequivocally dumbfounded if Scott Pioli and the Chiefs brass were to decide to move Albert and draft Monroe.

Championship teams are not built with two left tackles chosen in the upper half of the first round of the NFL Draft in consecutive years.

blaise
01-26-2009, 11:44 AM
Dude, you're not paying attention.

I don't give a shit about "spending picks" on the front seven, etc. It's all about Best Available Athlete, with the exception of QB and left tackle.

It would be monumentally STUPID for the Chiefs to have in excess of $75 MILLION DOLLARS invested in two left tackles.

****ING STUPID.

Get it?


I get that you're a blowhard internet message board douchebag, apparently incapable of carrying on a normal conversation without spewing cliche bits of internet speak.

eazyb81
01-26-2009, 12:09 PM
I don't give a shit about practice. The game spoke volumes.

And what "wrong" do I have to admit about Curry?

JFC. You're ****ing moron.

Good comeback. Wouldn't have expected any different from you.

ROFL

DaneMcCloud
01-26-2009, 01:22 PM
I get that you're a blowhard internet message board douchebag, apparently incapable of carrying on a normal conversation without spewing cliche bits of internet speak.

Uh, you're the one that keeps suggesting that the Chiefs could and would draft a left tackle two years in a row, are you not? You've brought it up in several threads.

I'm tired of answering your same question, time and time again. Got it?

blaise
01-26-2009, 03:01 PM
Uh, you're the one that keeps suggesting that the Chiefs could and would draft a left tackle two years in a row, are you not? You've brought it up in several threads.

I'm tired of answering your same question, time and time again. Got it?

As far as I know this is the only thread I've brought it up in. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.
I never said the Chiefs should look to take a tackle as a first option, just that it may be the best route depending who's on the board. If Stafford's gone (which he probably will be) there's Sanchez (who I already said the Chiefs should take if they like him). My point is if both those guy's are gone, or if the Chiefs just really don't like Sanchez and you can't trade down, an O-lineman isn't that bad a thing. (There's two tackle positions on O-line by the way).
What, are you going to draft Crabtree or Maclin and have two first round WRs? Are you going to draft another first round D-lineman?
It's a reasonable question, you're the one behaving like a petulant jerk. If you don't want to answer, don't. But speak like a freaking person, and not some total dick.

DaneMcCloud
01-26-2009, 03:02 PM
As far as I know this is the only thread I've brought it up in. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.
I never said the Chiefs should look to take a tackle as a first option, just that it may be the best route depending who's on the board. If Stafford's gone (which he probably will be) there's Sanchez (who I already said the Chiefs should take if they like him). My point is if both those guy's are gone, or if the Chiefs just really don't like Sanchez and you can't trade down, an O-lineman isn't that bad a thing. (There's two tackle positions on O-line by the way).
What, are you going to draft Crabtree or Maclin and have two first round WRs? Are you going to draft another first round D-lineman?
It's a reasonable question, you're the one behaving like a petulant jerk. If you don't want to answer, don't. But speak like a freaking person, and not some total dick.

Where have I been a jerk? By highlighting a point?

What the fuck is your problem, Dude?

Nightfyre
01-27-2009, 07:20 PM
Tackle seems to be pretty highly targeted again in mock drafts this year. I wonder if Jacksonville isn't an actual trade down possibility for us, especially if the Lions and Rams both take tackles. Seattle and Oakland are ahead of Jax and may be inclined to take tackles, which may result in Jacksonville trading up. Then we could likely take our QB at 8, have an additional second rounder this year and another next year as well. Just an interesting possibility i've been running over.

I'm disappointed I haven't been flamed for this yet. I suspect that if a trade down were to occur, it would be with JAX and go from there. Thoughts? Anyone?

Sam Hall
01-27-2009, 08:34 PM
About not wanting two guys on the same line who make lots of money: I'm sure Will Shields and Willie Roaf were paid well. I'd like to draft Ndamukong Suh next year and pair him with Glenn Dorsey. I like the idea of having two dominant interior linemen.

OnTheWarpath58
01-27-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm disappointed I haven't been flamed for this yet. I suspect that if a trade down were to occur, it would be with JAX and go from there. Thoughts? Anyone?

1200 points is a LOT to make up in value.

Jacksonville is probably a good target, but regardless of team, there just isn't that elite talent at the top of this draft worthy of a team giving up the multiple picks it would take, much less the huge difference in contact terms.

You're looking at about a $10M difference in guaranteed money between the 3rd pick and the 8th pick.

Plus giving up at MINIMUM a 2nd round pick this year and a 1st next year. Likely more.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 01:47 AM
Good god Sanchez is NOT worth the #3 overall pick.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 02:01 AM
Good god Sanchez is NOT worth the #3 overall pick.

Well if you dont like him that means he is.

Chiefnj2
01-28-2009, 07:10 AM
I'm disappointed I haven't been flamed for this yet. I suspect that if a trade down were to occur, it would be with JAX and go from there. Thoughts? Anyone?

jax moved up last year and didn't get a great return out of it. I don't think they'd do it two years in a row especially with the draft power shifted away from Del Rio.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 11:23 AM
Good god Sanchez is NOT worth the #3 overall pick.

But Chase Daniel's a first rounder, right?

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 11:24 AM
About not wanting two guys on the same line who make lots of money: I'm sure Will Shields and Willie Roaf were paid well. I'd like to draft Ndamukong Suh next year and pair him with Glenn Dorsey. I like the idea of having two dominant interior linemen.

Please stop posting.

You're clearly clueless in this arena.

If you think that the Chiefs had $75 million wrapped up in Shields and Roaf - You know, I'm just speechless.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 11:38 AM
Please stop posting.

You're clearly clueless in this arena.

If you think that the Chiefs had $75 million wrapped up in Shields and Roaf - You know, I'm just speechless.

Since all these posters are questioning Sanchez, maybe it's you who's clueless.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 11:41 AM
Since all these posters are questioning Sanchez, maybe it's you who's clueless.

Who?

People that have seen him once? Anyone with any shred of credibility?

The mere fact that you suggest that the Chiefs should possibly have $75 million wrapped up in TWO LEFT TACKLES basically invalidates any viewpoint that you may have on this topic.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 11:47 AM
Who?

People that have seen him once? Anyone with any shred of credibility?

The mere fact that you suggest that the Chiefs should possibly have $75 million wrapped up in TWO LEFT TACKLES basically invalidates any viewpoint that you may have on this topic.

I never said $75 million. The point was that teams can have two all-pros on the same line.

I'm sick of you saying the people who disagree with you lack knowledge and credibility about the topic. You are ruining the draft forum.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 11:49 AM
I never said $75 million. The point was that teams can have two all-pros on the same line.

I'm sick of you saying the people who disagree with you lack knowledge and credibility about the topic. You are ruining the draft forum.

Dude, if the Chiefs drafted a Left Tackle, AGAIN, in the first round, they'd have over $75 million tied up in the LEFT TACKLE position.

That's just plain STUPID.

And the only thing "ruining" the draft forum are uninformed people such as yourself.

Pioli Zombie
01-28-2009, 11:51 AM
im worried that if we draft Sanchez somebody is going to start bringing a rusty trombone to Arrowhead.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 11:51 AM
Dude, if the Chiefs drafted a Left Tackle, AGAIN, in the first round, they'd have over $75 million tied up in the LEFT TACKLE position.

That's just plain STUPID.

And the only thing "ruining" the draft forum are uninformed people such as yourself.

You missed my point AGAIN.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 12:09 PM
You missed my point AGAIN.

What's your point? That YOU don't think Sanchez is worth the #3 spot?

Gee, thanks. :rolleyes:

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 01:14 PM
But Chase Daniel's a first rounder, right?

I have yet to hear anyone on this board actually really claim that with all seriousness.

But if this statement makes you feel better :rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 01:22 PM
I have yet to hear anyone on this board actually really claim that with all seriousness.

But if this statement makes you feel better :rolleyes:

Yeah, it makes me "feel better". JFC.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3479202&postcount=31

Wanting Daniel in the 2nd round:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5085957&postcount=45

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5044480&postcount=13

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5044490&postcount=16

Mecca
01-28-2009, 04:21 PM
Since all these posters are questioning Sanchez, maybe it's you who's clueless.

The people who have issue with Sanchez are the people who frankly don't ever want to pick a QB, or they hate USC, one or the other.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 04:23 PM
The people who have issue with Sanchez are the people who frankly don't ever want to pick a QB, or they hate USC, one or the other.

Or they've never seen him play and/or don't understand college football outside of the Big 12.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 08:47 PM
Or they've never seen him play and/or don't understand college football outside of the Big 12.

That's poor reasoning. People could easily say the same thing about you and the Pac-10. A lot of people who liked Chase Daniel were Mizzou fans, just like you're a USC fan who likes Sanchez. I've seen Sanchez several times, and I'd take him if Pioli can improve the offensive line. I'd say the same thing about Stafford.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 08:51 PM
just like you're a USC fan who likes Sanchez.

Dane went to K-State.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 08:51 PM
That's poor reasoning. People could easily say the same thing about you and the Pac-10. A lot of people who liked Chase Daniel were Mizzou fans, just like you're a USC fan who likes Sanchez. I've seen Sanchez several times, and I'd take him if Pioli can improve the offensive line. I'd say the same thing about Stafford.

I'm not sure how many more times it has to be said:

Dane is not a USC fan.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 08:55 PM
I'm not sure how many more times it has to be said:

Dane is not a USC fan.

Thank you for clarifying.

FWIW, If I were a USC fan, I'd have to move into another house because my wife is a UCLA grad.

Seriously.

She had co-worker that was a USC grad and they used to pull pranks on each other constantly. Removing license plate covers from each school and replacing them with their respective alma maters, replacing coffee mugs in the breakroom, etc. and so on. Her USC associates and friends dog her every year before, during and after "The Game".

It would be hell.

Besides that, I'm a Big 12 guy at heart.

DeezNutz
01-28-2009, 08:57 PM
I've seen Sanchez several times, and I'd take him if Pioli can improve the offensive line. I'd say the same thing about Stafford.

Cause he'll get killed without having the line in place, right? I'm frankly surprised that any NFL team ever drafts a QB. Must be monster lines all over the place.

USC usually has very solid O-line play, so that's probably why Dane is such a fucking Trojan homer.

For Mecca, it's a long hair thing.

Chiefnj2
01-28-2009, 08:57 PM
The people who have issue with Sanchez are the people who frankly don't ever want to pick a QB, or they hate USC, one or the other.

I think some USC players are overrated, but I don't have anything against the school. I'd pick a QB if the right QB were available, but I'm not enthusiastic about using a top 3 pick on a kid who started less than 20 games. History says he's going to fail. I'd be okay with Stafford.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 08:58 PM
I'm not sure how many more times it has to be said:

Dane is not a USC fan.

Even so, he seems to watch them a lot, and it doesn't change my point.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Cause he'll get killed without having the line in place, right? I'm frankly surprised that any NFL team ever drafts a QB. Must be monster lines all over the place.

USC usually has very solid O-line play, so that's probably why Dane is such a ****ing Trojan homer.

For Mecca, it's a long hair thing.

I wouldn't want him to be the next David Carr who gets sacked too much.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 09:03 PM
I wouldn't want him to be the next David Carr who gets sacked too much.

David Carr just sucks ass. Carolina and the Giants both have good lines and he blew chunks behind them.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:08 PM
David Carr just sucks ass. Carolina and the Giants both have good lines and he blew chunks behind them.

OK, but you get the point. It would be nice to have lines like the Minnesota Vikings. All I'm asking is sign a free agent offensive lineman and draft one in the first couple rounds.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 09:11 PM
OK, but you get the point. It would be nice to have lines like the Minnesota Vikings. All I'm asking is sign a free agent offensive lineman and draft one in the first couple rounds.

What have the Vikings won? Jack squat. They have no QB.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:16 PM
Even so, he seems to watch them a lot, and it doesn't change my point.

Wow.

First off, I live 20 MINUTES FROM THE USC CAMPUS. Of COURSE I'm going to see them "a lot". Their games are on in PRIME TIME more often than not. Am supposed to change the channel and NOT watch one of the best teams in the country because I didn't attend USC and I'm not "a fan"?

You seem very confused by the fact that I'm actually informed about USC. I know a lot about UCLA as well, but unfortunately, they're a bad team so they're not really worth discussing. I spoke to Rick Nueheisal on Christmas Eve and asked him when they'd be ready to challenge USC. Does that make me a UCLA fan?

You're a weird dude, Mr. Hall.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:17 PM
What have the Vikings won? Jack squat. They have no QB.

Their record is not the point. Imagine Jackson if their line wasn't as good.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Their record is not the point. Imagine Jackson if their line wasn't as good.

Imagine if they had spent a high draft pick on a QB instead of on the offensive line?

Maybe they'd have a championship under their belt.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Their record is not the point. Imagine Jackson if their line wasn't as good.

Record not the point. WTH? The bottom line is you are not going to win a Super Bowl without a QB. Vikings are the 90's Chiefs all over again. Jeez.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:19 PM
Wow.

First off, I live 20 MINUTES FROM THE USC CAMPUS. Of COURSE I'm going to see them "a lot". Their games are on in PRIME TIME more often than not. Am supposed to change the channel and NOT watch one of the best teams in the country because I didn't attend USC and I'm not "a fan"?

You seem very confused by the fact that I'm actually informed about USC. I know a lot about UCLA as well, but unfortunately, they're a bad team so they're not really worth discussing. I spoke to Rick Nueheisal on Christmas Eve and asked him when they'd be ready to challenge USC. Does that make me a UCLA fan?

You're a weird dude, Mr. Hall.

I'm sure you're a saint:rolleyes:

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:21 PM
I'm sure you're a saint:rolleyes:

Your posts make no sense.

You are extremely ill-informed, yet seem to be passionate about your folly.

Sainthood has nothing to do with a football discussion.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:24 PM
Record not the point. WTH? The bottom line is you are not going to win a Super Bowl without a QB. Vikings are the 90's Chiefs all over again. Jeez.

Right, and the Chiefs will need a better line and QB to win the Super Bowl. The Vikings happen to be without the quarterback. We're actually on the same page about this.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:27 PM
Right, and the Chiefs will need a better line and QB to win the Super Bowl. The Vikings happen to be without the quarterback. We're actually on the same page about this.

The Vikings are not choosing #3 overall.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Your posts make no sense.

You are extremely ill-informed, yet seem to be passionate about your folly.

Sainthood has nothing to do with a football discussion.

Deflect it all the want, but you don't have room to call others ill-informed just because they have a different perspective.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:32 PM
Deflect it all the want, but you don't have room to call others ill-informed just because they have a different perspective.

ROFL

That's the funniest thing you've ever posted.

DeezNutz
01-28-2009, 09:32 PM
I wouldn't want him to be the next David Carr who gets sacked too much.

Others have responded to this more directly, so I won't repeat.

We all know that the Chiefs have a lot of holes. A lot. Almost every single area needs to be upgraded.

That said, there is only one position that can be "fixed" with a single pick. Nice for us that it's the most important position and that there are two elite prospects in this draft.

Unless something screwy happens and they go 1-2, we need to take the risk.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:33 PM
Others have responded to this more directly, so I won't repeat.

We all know that the Chiefs have a lot of holes. A lot. Almost every single area needs to be upgraded.

That said, there is only one position that can be "fixed" with a single pick. Nice for us that it's the most important position and that there are two elite prospects in this draft.

Unless something screwy happens and they go 1-2, we need to take the risk.

No, we should take a left tackle.

All great teams need two All Pro left tackles to succeed.

The QB can be found on the bench or free agency.

DeezNutz
01-28-2009, 09:40 PM
No, we should take a left tackle.

All great teams need two All Pro left tackles to succeed.

The QB can be found on the bench or free agency.

I've advocated a 10 O-line formation with Tebow, and I'm still on board with this. Imagine the sweeps and the jump passes to eligible tackles...

Fucking beautiful. It's like a Marty wet dream.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Deflect it all the want, but you don't have room to call others ill-informed just because they have a different perspective.

You ARE ill-informed.

How many USC games did you watch? Are you familiar with his stats?

Did you know that if not for the false rape allegation, he was set to be the number one QB heading into the 2007 season, ahead of Booty?

Face it: You don't know ANYTHING about Sanchez, yet, you advocate that the Chiefs pass on him.

Utter lunacy.

Ultra Peanut
01-28-2009, 10:00 PM
I've seen Sanchez several times, and I'd take him if Pioli can improve the offensive line. I'd say the same thing about Stafford.The offensive line can be improved without spending $9,000,000,000,000,000 on one position.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 10:01 PM
The offensive line can be improved without spending $9,000,000,000,000,000 on one position.

Patently FALSE.

I don't know where you get your information!











:D

BigChiefFan
01-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Dane, BAFP may be an OT, that doesn't make people loons for suggesting it's worth considering. My gut tells me we go NT and start the 3-4 defense off with a bang-BJ Raji in the 1st round.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 11:17 PM
The offensive line can be improved without spending $9,000,000,000,000,000 on one position.

I think people are interpreting my posts as saying I want an offensive lineman at 3. That isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying sign one free agent lineman and draft a center or right tackle in the second or third round.

Sam Hall
01-28-2009, 11:25 PM
You ARE ill-informed.

How many USC games did you watch? Are you familiar with his stats?

Did you know that if not for the false rape allegation, he was set to be the number one QB heading into the 2007 season, ahead of Booty?

Face it: You don't know ANYTHING about Sanchez, yet, you advocate that the Chiefs pass on him.

Utter lunacy.

I've said draft Sanchez if they improve the line, and I think they will. You can't get upset because I'm not 100 percent confident about him. I'm not 100 percent confident about any of the potential picks right now.

You seriously need to stop calling other posters idiots and loons.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 12:08 AM
Dane, BAFP may be an OT, that doesn't make people loons for suggesting it's worth considering. My gut tells me we go NT and start the 3-4 defense off with a bang-BJ Raji in the 1st round.

If the Chiefs take Raji at 3, I'll fucking puke.

It'll never happen.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 12:11 AM
I'm not 100 percent confident about any of the potential picks right now.

You seriously need to stop calling other posters idiots and loons.

Then why are you even here?

The Draft Forum is for people that are SERIOUS about the draft.

Guys like ChiefsCountry, who when questioned, come up with solid info and answers.

Guys like OTWP who freakin live this shit.

And yes, guys like Mecca who know more about college players than 99.999999999999999999999 percent of not only the people of Chiefsplanet, but those that are creating "mock" websites.

Live and learn, Sam Hall.

LIVE and LEARN.

Sam Hall
01-29-2009, 07:24 AM
Then why are you even here?

The Draft Forum is for people that are SERIOUS about the draft.

Guys like ChiefsCountry, who when questioned, come up with solid info and answers.

Guys like OTWP who freakin live this shit.

And yes, guys like Mecca who know more about college players than 99.999999999999999999999 percent of not only the people of Chiefsplanet, but those that are creating "mock" websites.

Live and learn, Sam Hall.

LIVE and LEARN.

Sorry I haven't made up my mind in January like the so-called "experts":rolleyes:

Chiefnj2
01-29-2009, 07:33 AM
Sorry I haven't made up my mind in January like the so-called "experts":rolleyes:

Basically, if you don't agree with Dane then in his deluded little mind you don't know anything and you should just shut up and follow along.

eazyb81
01-29-2009, 08:26 AM
I've said draft Sanchez if they improve the line, and I think they will. You can't get upset because I'm not 100 percent confident about him. I'm not 100 percent confident about any of the potential picks right now.

You seriously need to stop calling other posters idiots and loons.

And that's a perfectly rational opinion, despite what some on here will try to tell you.

It's f#cking mid-January; NFL teams don't even have their big boards finalized yet, but wanna-be draftniks should? Please.

Pestilence
01-29-2009, 10:05 AM
Then why are you even here?

The Draft Forum is for people that are SERIOUS about the draft.

Guys like ChiefsCountry, who when questioned, come up with solid info and answers.

Guys like OTWP who freakin live this shit.

And yes, guys like Mecca who know more about college players than 99.999999999999999999999 percent of not only the people of Chiefsplanet, but those that are creating "mock" websites.

Live and learn, Sam Hall.

LIVE and LEARN.

What the fuck am I? Chopped liver? :D

Agent V
01-29-2009, 10:08 AM
God, I'd love to have the extra picks Dallas threw at Detroit.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Basically, if you don't agree with Dane then in his deluded little mind you don't know anything and you should just shut up and follow along.

Excellent advice

;)

Pioli Zombie
01-29-2009, 11:00 AM
you know? Rusty Trombone. Dirty Sanchez. ??

didnt any of you people see the 40 year old Virgin??????

Chiefnj2
01-29-2009, 11:46 AM
And that's a perfectly rational opinion, despite what some on here will try to tell you.

It's f#cking mid-January; NFL teams don't even have their big boards finalized yet, but wanna-be draftniks should? Please.

I think the only things that would force major changes are the things that we won't hear about - team interviews with prospects and physicals.

Barring an awful performance in the combine, I don't think the combine events alter the draft board all that much.

I've never really understood why players rise or drop so much based on combine times. For instance, right now a draft "expert" will have an estimated time for a LB of a 4.75 and have him ranked as a mid 2nd round pick. If the guy runs a 4.60 at the combine he'll move to the first round. In reality nothing really changed. The guy played college ball with the same attributes he has now. The only thing that changed was the "guru's" estimation was wrong.

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 12:07 PM
I think the only things that would force major changes are the things that we won't hear about - team interviews with prospects and physicals.

Barring an awful performance in the combine, I don't think the combine events alter the draft board all that much.

I've never really understood why players rise or drop so much based on combine times. For instance, right now a draft "expert" will have an estimated time for a LB of a 4.75 and have him ranked as a mid 2nd round pick. If the guy runs a 4.60 at the combine he'll move to the first round. In reality nothing really changed. The guy played college ball with the same attributes he has now. The only thing that changed was the "guru's" estimation was wrong.

I think guys rise and fall more based on what you mentioned earlier:

Interviews and physicals.

That, and I think that the actual decision makers are now watching film on these guys, and not just the scouts.

eazyb81
01-29-2009, 12:34 PM
I think the only things that would force major changes are the things that we won't hear about - team interviews with prospects and physicals.

Barring an awful performance in the combine, I don't think the combine events alter the draft board all that much.

I've never really understood why players rise or drop so much based on combine times. For instance, right now a draft "expert" will have an estimated time for a LB of a 4.75 and have him ranked as a mid 2nd round pick. If the guy runs a 4.60 at the combine he'll move to the first round. In reality nothing really changed. The guy played college ball with the same attributes he has now. The only thing that changed was the "guru's" estimation was wrong.

I get what you're saying, but I think teams get infatuated with combine numbers because they focus more on potential than what has happened in the past.

For instance, in your example, some NFL teams may see that LB run .15 seconds faster in the 40 than expected and think he could become a beast if they just teach him better technique. You can't teach speed, and if you've got a guy that is big and runs like a gazelle, many NFL coaches may feel they have the ability to coach him up to make better use out of that physical ability.

For the player that was a great producer in college and has just so-so measurables, it's hard to get excited because what you see is what you will get. But the guy that oozes athleticism and hasn't quite put it all together on the field yet makes coaches dream about what could be.

Frosty
01-29-2009, 12:41 PM
I'd be a lot more impressed with the 40 times if they made them run in pads and cleats.

Chiefnj2
01-29-2009, 01:36 PM
I get what you're saying, but I think teams get infatuated with combine numbers because they focus more on potential than what has happened in the past.

For instance, in your example, some NFL teams may see that LB run .15 seconds faster in the 40 than expected and think he could become a beast if they just teach him better technique. You can't teach speed, and if you've got a guy that is big and runs like a gazelle, many NFL coaches may feel they have the ability to coach him up to make better use out of that physical ability.

For the player that was a great producer in college and has just so-so measurables, it's hard to get excited because what you see is what you will get. But the guy that oozes athleticism and hasn't quite put it all together on the field yet makes coaches dream about what could be.

You can teach speed. That's why all of the prospects are training right now with track coaches teaching them to run fast on a track in a non-football environment.

Chiefnj2
01-29-2009, 01:42 PM
I think guys rise and fall more based on what you mentioned earlier:

Interviews and physicals.

That, and I think that the actual decision makers are now watching film on these guys, and not just the scouts.

Exactly. When the season ended all of a sudden the draft boards of the "experts" changed. They talked with actual scouts who told them X, Y, Z. That's why Curry suddenly became a consensus top 3 best available player.

Last year Brohm was a top 10 QB during the season. As soon as the season ended he miraculously dropped like a stone. That's because the real scouts turned in their reports and word spread.

Between now and the draft the teams will all be tight lipped and the only changes are going to come about from: (a) draft guys trying to generate talk by mixing things up and being controversial, and (b) people blowing workouts out of proportion. Every year you have dozens of "lets draft Olaf Olegson for the line. The dude did 38 reps on the bench press. He's a monster."

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 01:43 PM
Exactly. When the season ended all of a sudden the draft boards of the "experts" changed. They talked with actual scouts who told them X, Y, Z. That's why Curry suddenly became a consensus top 3 best available player.

Last year Brohm was a top 10 QB during the season. As soon as the season ended he miraculously dropped like a stone. That's because the real scouts turned in their reports and word spread.

Between now and the draft the teams will all be tight lipped and the only changes are going to come about from: (a) draft guys trying to generate talk by mixing things up and being controversial, and (b) people blowing workouts out of proportion. Every year you have dozens of "lets draft Olaf Olegson for the line. The dude did 38 reps on the bench press. He's a monster."

Brohm was exactly who I was thinking of when I posted.

And I agree 100%.

Mecca
01-29-2009, 04:06 PM
If you play a position like WR or CB the combine can kill you.

ChiefsCountry
01-29-2009, 04:21 PM
you know? Rusty Trombone. Dirty Sanchez. ??

didnt any of you people see the 40 year old Virgin??????

No offense dude but the draft forum really isnt the spot for the jokes.

Sam Hall
01-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Here's how I see it playing out: The Chiefs will address a couple areas in free agency, such as offensive line, defensive line and linebacker. Sanchez will be the obvious pick and we will all be happy.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 04:51 PM
Here's how I see it playing out: The Chiefs will address a couple areas in free agency, such as offensive line, defensive line and linebacker. Sanchez will be the obvious pick and we will all be happy.

Which free agents?

Sam Hall
01-29-2009, 04:55 PM
Which free agents?

Not this shit again:rolleyes:

I'm advocating getting some help for Sanchez. You shouldn't be upset.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 04:57 PM
Not this shit again:rolleyes:

I'm advocating getting some help for Sanchez. You shouldn't be upset.

Dude, this is the DRAFT forum. This isn't the main forum where uninformed people say all kinds of stupid ass shit that we have to sort through.

If you're going to make a claim that the Chiefs will "sign free agents, then draft Sanchez", it would be nice if you would put a little research into your claims to back them up.

Sam Hall
01-29-2009, 05:01 PM
Dude, this is the DRAFT forum. This isn't the main forum where uninformed people say all kinds of stupid ass shit that we have to sort through.

If you're going to make a claim that the Chiefs will "sign free agents, then draft Sanchez", it would be nice if you would put a little research into your claims to back them up.

I gave you a list of free agent offensive linemen which you chose to crap all over. Given the Chiefs' salary cap space and Pioli's tendency to want linemen, it seems fair to think he will address that area. Again, I'm advocating helping Sanchez. You shouldn't be upset.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 05:06 PM
I gave you a list of free agent offensive linemen which you chose to crap all over. Given the Chiefs' salary cap space and Pioli's tendency to want linemen, it seems fair to think he will address that area. Again, I'm advocating helping Sanchez. You shouldn't be upset.

I'm not "upset".

It's just that I and other people (Pestilance, OTW58, Mecca, ChiefsCountry, etc.) put a lot of time and effort into discussing not only possible scenarios but why and how they could and/or should work.

Coming into the forum stating "Hey, I think we'll sign a bunch of free-agents and draft Sanchez" without any explanation of who and why the Chiefs would sign these free agents kind of dampens the spirit of this sub-forum.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to get you MORE involved, instead of just stating the "obvious".

Sam Hall
01-29-2009, 05:16 PM
I'm not "upset".

It's just that I and other people (Pestilance, OTW58, Mecca, ChiefsCountry, etc.) put a lot of time and effort into discussing not only possible scenarios but why and how they could and/or should work.

Coming into the forum stating "Hey, I think we'll sign a bunch of free-agents and draft Sanchez" without any explanation of who and why the Chiefs would sign these free agents kind of dampens the spirit of this sub-forum.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm trying to get you MORE involved, instead of just stating the "obvious".

About the bold part: That's what I'm doing, and I'm on the side of drafting Sanchez. I want to give him some help before he comes here. I don't know everything about the free agents, but nobody here does. Given the Chiefs salary cap space, I don't see why they wouldn't sign one starter for offensive line. They could also draft one in the second to fourth rounds. I'm trying to be optimistic, and my points are reasonable. I want Sanchez to be successful here from day one.