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dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:14 AM
To add some background supporters pay $10 a month and they get the ability to issue infractions or warnings and if the person gets enough of infractions he gets temp ban for a day or 2.

Some of the people in DC are upset that shtsprayer got temp banned because of some comments he made and believe that supporter powers are too strong.

On the flip side DaFace made a good point yesterday that if it wasn't for the few of us supporters Malboro Chief would have posted a ton of porn yesterday but we were able to ban him almost immediately.

So what does everyone think? Good idea, bad idea?

Gonzo
01-28-2009, 10:16 AM
To add some background supporters pay $10 a month and they get the ability to issue infractions or warnings and if the person gets enough of infractions he gets temp ban for a day or 2.

Some of the people in DC are upset that shtsprayer got temp banned because of some comments he made and believe that supporter powers are too strong.

On the flip side DaFace made a good point yesterday that if it wasn't for the few of us supporters Malboro Chief would have posted a ton of porn yesterday but we were able to ban him almost immediately.

So what does everyone think? Good idea, bad idea?



Good idea for everyone except BKaeding. That guys a dick.












(J/K Buck)

Gonzo
01-28-2009, 10:18 AM
In all seriousness.....It proved to have a function yesterday with all the crap that happened.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:18 AM
In all seriousness.....It proved to have a function yesterday with all the crap that happened.

I agree

Douche Baggins
01-28-2009, 10:19 AM
So it's only for monthly donaters.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:20 AM
So it's only for monthly donaters.

I think so though I could be wrong

Baby Lee
01-28-2009, 10:20 AM
It wasn't so much the banning as the attitude of; I can do it, I did it, I have my reasons, I don't care what you think.

Pestilence
01-28-2009, 10:21 AM
A monthly charge? I don't know about that. I would make it so that you had to donate a certain amount....if you want to set a limit on it. But requiring people to pay $10 a month just to have the ability to flag people....may make it so that they use their powers more often than not.

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:22 AM
I am a dick, but I pay money for my powers...

In all honesty, I don't think there is anything wrong with them.

If you support the website, then you obviously enjoy your time here. I don't think anyone who just wanted to abuse the powers would waste money just so they could fuck w/ people.

Douche Baggins
01-28-2009, 10:22 AM
I think so though I could be wrong

I have donated twice and do not have powers. I'm not whining but I have an urge to hand out infractions. :evil:

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:22 AM
P.S., I don't think you have to pay $10 a month.

I think I donated $20 a few months ago and $5 last month.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:24 AM
P.S., I don't think you have to pay $10 a month.

I think I donated $20 a few months ago and $5 last month.

The minimum is $10 a month

You can go to User CP and Paid Subscriptions and it says 1 month $10

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 10:24 AM
Some of the people in DC are upset that shtsprayer got temp banned because of some comments he made and believe that supporter powers are too strong.

screw 'em

On the flip side DaFace made a good point yesterday that if it wasn't for the few of us supporters Malboro Chief would have posted a ton of porn yesterday but we were able to ban him almost immediately.

So what does everyone think? Good idea, bad idea?

Good.

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:27 AM
The minimum is $10 a month

You can go to User CP and Paid Subscriptions and it says 1 month $10

I just clicked the Donate button at the top.

I did $20 in Nov, $5 in Dec.

I'm going to donate another $10 right now. Hopefully the donations help offset the cost of running the board.

blueballs
01-28-2009, 10:31 AM
some people should not have power
of any fucking kind

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:32 AM
Enjoy your money Kyle.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:33 AM
some people should not have power
of any fucking kind

But does it matter that everyone has the chance to gain equal power?

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 10:35 AM
But does it matter that everyone has the chance to gain equal power?

Some will always be more equal than others.

http://madanti.tripod.com/Image25.jpg

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:36 AM
I wonder after you reach a certain amount of money if you can get even more powers?

Like Invisibility
Super Human Strength and
the ability to shriek really loud

{my best blueballs impression}

seclark
01-28-2009, 10:41 AM
don't care.
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BigRichard
01-28-2009, 10:42 AM
I think I would like to have my supporter have powers. It could make my penis do magic tricks or something.

morphius
01-28-2009, 10:45 AM
I worry a bit about it, but so far it hasn't been abused, plus this asylum has always been run by the insane here. When it comes to the porn jackass, I absolutely love that there is a dedicated group with the power to kill the guy off before one of us admins actually catches it.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 10:46 AM
I worry a bit about it, but so far it hasn't been abused, plus this asylum has always been run by the insane here. When it comes to the porn jackass, I absolutely love that there is a dedicated group with the power to kill the guy off before one of us admins actually catches it.

So just to clarify you don't think what happened to shtsprayer was wrong and no one abused their power?

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't really read DC but when I saw the name of that thread, something about the Magic N-word, he probably deserved it.

Baby Lee
01-28-2009, 10:53 AM
I don't really read DC but when I saw the name of that thread, something about the Magic N-word, he probably deserved it.

Has 'n-word' developed multiple meanings?

Buck
01-28-2009, 10:56 AM
Has 'n-word' developed multiple meanings?

Well there is the N-word, then there is the n-word I am talking about.

The spanish word for black = negro.

I thought I saw that there, but I could be mistaken. Like I said, I don't frequent that god-forsaken subforum known as the DC.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 11:00 AM
I think it's hilarious that some people are offended by what Shtsprayer said, but no one seems to mind that one user here has had an avatar with a monkey offering Obama a banana for months.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:05 AM
I think it's hilarious that some people are offended by what Shtsprayer said, but no one seems to mind that one user here has had an avatar with a monkey offering Obama a banana for months.

I have avatars and sigs turned off so I don't see them anyway. So who is that user?

Buck
01-28-2009, 11:06 AM
Yeah, who the hell is that?

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 11:10 AM
Good idea for everyone except BKaeding. That guys a dick.












(J/K Buck)

It is fuckin retarded we give a Chargers fan that kinda power on a Chiefs board.

Just sayin

Buck
01-28-2009, 11:12 AM
It is ****in retarded we give a Chargers fan that kinda power on a Chiefs board.

Just sayin

And just how much money have you donated to keep this board running?

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 11:16 AM
I have avatars and sigs turned off so I don't see them anyway. So who is that user?

I don't recall, it's someone who doesn't post very often.

the Talking Can
01-28-2009, 11:17 AM
i don't have them, but it is fine by me

and shtsprayer should have been permanently banned a long time ago for the racist crap he spews...

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:26 AM
I don't recall, it's someone who doesn't post very often.

ok thanks

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 11:27 AM
I don't recall, it's someone who doesn't post very often.


Mine are off as well.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 11:28 AM
So just to clarify you don't think what happened to shtsprayer was wrong and no one abused their power?


I too would very much like an answer to this question.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 11:29 AM
ok thanks

I found it, it's dtebbe. Here's his avatar:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar689_10.gif

and it's titled "A banana for every monkey".

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:30 AM
I found it, it's dtebbe. Here's his avatar:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar689_10.gif

and it's titled "A banana for every monkey".

LMAO That is kind of funny in a disturbing way I guess :)

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 11:30 AM
It wasn't so much the banning as the attitude of; I can do it, I did it, I have my reasons, I don't care what you think.

That's horseshit and you know it.

Nobody came off that way. Patteu framed it up that way.

Iowanian
01-28-2009, 11:33 AM
Many of us have donated over the years, but not under those terms.

Personally, I think its a decent concept to allow others to as a group, moderate indecent behavior, however I don't like the idea of a (not all of you) douchebag buying that kind of power. A couple of you are pretty cocky about it.


Personally, I'd rather see the infraction stick handed to mod selected long tenured members.

Buck
01-28-2009, 11:36 AM
Iowanian,

I don't donate just so I can have the powers, I donated to donate and later found out that we had the ability to give out warnings for bad posts.

As far as being cocky about it, its human nature to flex your muscles sometimes, everyone does...even you.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 11:36 AM
LMAO That is kind of funny in a disturbing way I guess :)

So it's funny when dtebbe does it, but unacceptable when Shtsprayer does it?

Iowanian
01-28-2009, 11:38 AM
I don't have a problem with the assistance provided when mods are gone. I have a problem with buying it.

Buck
01-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Yeah thats pretty racist no matter which way you look at it, I'm surprised they haven't been asked to change it.

Baby Lee
01-28-2009, 11:40 AM
It wasn't so much the banning as the attitude of; I can do it, I did it, I have my reasons, I don't care what you think.That's horseshit and you know it.

Nobody came off that way. Patteu framed it up that way.
.
Um, read the thread. I wasn't personal until he took it there. As far as your opinion on the matter, it really doesn't matter.

I'm not going to apologize for what I did, nor do I care if it upset any of you. The fact that he slights the mans race with every post he makes offends me. I let him know. Period.

Now, even though I didn't need to, I feel I've defended myself enough on this issue and am done commenting on it.

stevieray
01-28-2009, 11:40 AM
So it's funny when dtebbe does it, but unacceptable when Shtsprayer does it?

exactly why it is horseshit...there are only a handful of people on this board who don't live by double standards..

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:41 AM
So it's funny when dtebbe does it, but unacceptable when Shtsprayer does it?

I haven't read anything that he has posted that I would find racist or probably more accurately it hasn't caught my attention.

I will go do a search though just to find out.

stevieray
01-28-2009, 11:41 AM
.

:LOL:

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 11:44 AM
I haven't read anything that he has posted that I would find racist or probably more accurately it hasn't caught my attention.

I will go do a search though just to find out.
So a racist avatar and tagline is OK as long as he doesn't post something racist?

patteeu
01-28-2009, 11:45 AM
To add some background supporters pay $10 a month and they get the ability to issue infractions or warnings and if the person gets enough of infractions he gets temp ban for a day or 2.

Some of the people in DC are upset that shtsprayer got temp banned because of some comments he made and believe that supporter powers are too strong.

On the flip side DaFace made a good point yesterday that if it wasn't for the few of us supporters Malboro Chief would have posted a ton of porn yesterday but we were able to ban him almost immediately.

So what does everyone think? Good idea, bad idea?

I thought they were called "hall monitor" powers.

Relying on actual moderators to ban people posting porn has never been a big issue in the past.

I think it's great that people are donating to ChiefsPlanet. I don't mind those people getting some fringe benefits in return. I think it's a bad idea to have a policy that any yahoo can buy a slice of moderator power, though. There are several people around here who shouldn't be anywhere near the ban button. If we need more people with the ability to flag posts as offensive because our moderators are stretched too thin, then they ought to be selected with an eye toward their temperament and judgment.

One of the big attractions of ChiefsPlanet over other Chiefs message boards or other message boards in general (especially corporate sponsored boards) is the fact that it is lightly moderated. This place is like the wild west of message boards and I think that's a good thing. The lighter the moderation the better, IMO.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:47 AM
So a racist avatar and tagline is OK as long as he doesn't post something racist?

I didn't say it was ok I just thought it was kind of funny in a disturbing way. Like I said I don't have avatars or sigs turned on so I couldn't see them

Buck
01-28-2009, 11:48 AM
I thought they were called "hall monitor" powers.

Relying on actual moderators to ban people posting porn has never been a big issue in the past.

I think it's great that people are donating to ChiefsPlanet. I don't mind those people getting some fringe benefits in return. I think it's a bad idea to have a policy that any yahoo can buy a slice of moderator power, though. There are several people around here who shouldn't be anywhere near the ban button. If we need more people with the ability to flag posts as offensive because our moderators are stretched too thin, then they ought to be selected with an eye toward their temperament and judgment.

One of the big attractions of ChiefsPlanet over other Chiefs message boards or other message boards in general (especially corporate sponsored boards) is the fact that it is lightly moderated. This place is like the wild west of message boards and I think that's a good thing. The lighter the moderation the better, IMO.

I get the vibe from DaFace that if anyone abuses these powers, they can have them taken away quite easily.

I've also gotten the vibe from him that they are helping out the mods in a good way. I don't think anyone has abused them yet.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 11:50 AM
That's horseshit and you know it.

Nobody came off that way. Patteu framed it up that way.

I was framed! I was framed! LMAO

Darth CarlSatan
01-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Power should lie solely in the hands of the Administrator. Mods should police, report the offenses, and let Admin. have the final say.

Giving members discretionary powers for the price of a pizza is just plain stupid.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:53 AM
I haven't read anything that he has posted that I would find racist or probably more accurately it hasn't caught my attention.

I will go do a search though just to find out.

I searched his posts from the last 6 months in DC and he has only had 13 posts over there. Nothing objectionable that I could find.

Maybe we should just ask him? Dtebbe are you a racist?

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 11:55 AM
I thought they were called "hall monitor" powers.

Relying on actual moderators to ban people posting porn has never been a big issue in the past.

I think it's great that people are donating to ChiefsPlanet. I don't mind those people getting some fringe benefits in return. I think it's a bad idea to have a policy that any yahoo can buy a slice of moderator power, though. There are several people around here who shouldn't be anywhere near the ban button. If we need more people with the ability to flag posts as offensive because our moderators are stretched too thin, then they ought to be selected with an eye toward their temperament and judgment.

One of the big attractions of ChiefsPlanet over other Chiefs message boards or other message boards in general (especially corporate sponsored boards) is the fact that it is lightly moderated. This place is like the wild west of message boards and I think that's a good thing. The lighter the moderation the better, IMO.

I think that is a very very fair take pat and one that is hard to argue against.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 11:56 AM
So it's funny when dtebbe does it, but unacceptable when Shtsprayer does it?

The hall monitors will let you know whether something is funny or not. Of course it will probably depend on whether they think of you as a buddy or, alternatively, they have a grudge against you.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Just an fyi, no one (besides mods) has the power to ban... the worst a "supporter" can do is give an infraction... it takes FIVE of those to earn a temp (2 day) ban.

So

patteeu
01-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Just an fyi, no one (besides mods) has the power to ban... the worst a "supporter" can do is give an infraction... it takes FIVE of those to earn a temp (2 day) ban.

So

If 5 lead to a nearly automatic ban than that's still a problem AFAIC. What SHTSPRAYER was banned for yesterday was a joke compared to other things that are posted on this board with some regularity. He repeated race-related terminology that has been used in and reported by the mainstream media to refer to Obama. For example, the LATimes editorial board didn't consider "Magic Negro" to be unacceptable terminology, and in fact it was used by a mixed race op-ed writer. While he used it to criticize other posters in a fairly vulgar way, that vulgarity was relatively tame by ChiefsPlanet standards.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:09 PM
I cant believe this is such a big stink.

If someone gets so many infractions, they probably deserved it. If not, a mod can reverse it.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Just an fyi, no one (besides mods) has the power to ban... the worst a "supporter" can do is give an infraction... it takes FIVE of those to earn a temp (2 day) ban.

So

Actually, it was three.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
If 5 lead to a nearly automatic ban than that's still a problem AFAIC. What SHTSPRAYER was banned for yesterday was a joke compared to other things that are posted on this board with some regularity. He repeated race-related terminology that has been used in and reported by the mainstream media to refer to Obama. For example, the LATimes editorial board didn't consider "Magic Negro" to be unacceptable terminology, and in fact it was used by a mixed race op-ed writer. While he used it to criticize other posters in a fairly vulgar way, that vulgarity was relatively tame by ChiefsPlanet standards.



LOL, weren't you the one complaining I gave infractions too frequently?

Oh, btw, I was responsible for one of those infractions. The first one. So....get off the drama queen kick. I felt it was inappropriate race attacking language. Nothing to do with politics or even personal opinion. However, I've enjoyed having you try to connect them with that.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
I cant believe this is such a big stink.

If someone gets so many infractions, they probably deserved it. If not, a mod can reverse it.

exactly

Frazod
01-28-2009, 12:16 PM
I found it, it's dtebbe. Here's his avatar:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar689_10.gif

and it's titled "A banana for every monkey".

FWIW, I don't think this should be allowed. It is in line with the crap Shithead was doing, it is offensive, and the fact that it's allowed here makes us look exactly like the rednecks others try to portray us as. But since it's his avatar and not in something he posted, there's not much I can do about it.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 12:16 PM
I cant believe this is such a big stink.

If someone gets so many infractions, they probably deserved it. If not, a mod can reverse it.
I agree for the most part, although I do think there have a been a few instances where someone was too quick with the trigger. I'll only use mine in extreme situations, for anything else I use the "report post" button and let the real mods deal with it.

And I'll never, ever under any circumstances infract someone in DC, I know damn well what I'm in for when I click that link.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Actually, it was three.

I changed it to 5 :)

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:19 PM
I agree for the most part, although I do think there have a been a few instances where someone was too quick with the trigger. I'll only use mine in extreme situations, for anything else I use the "report post" button and let the real mods deal with it.

And I'll never, ever under any circumstances infract someone in DC, I know damn well what I'm in for when I click that link.

Yeah the first Warning (not infraction) I gave was to DCS. If you recall his sig used to be way too big. I probably shouldn't have given that one.

I gave another one to FMB for being a n00b, but he got me back (both warnings not infractions).

All of the other ones I've given have been for bannable (sp?) offenses only. I think I've only given 2 or 3 infractions (red cards).

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Carpet bomb the whole goddamn DC forum, and this is no longer an issue.

People there know it is loosely moderated, if at all, and are constantly pushing further and further to see what they can get away with.

Eliminate DC, and 90% plus of your problems disappear along with it.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:20 PM
I agree for the most part, although I do think there have a been a few instances where someone was too quick with the trigger. I'll only use mine in extreme situations, for anything else I use the "report post" button and let the real mods deal with it.

And I'll never, ever under any circumstances infract someone in DC, I know damn well what I'm in for when I click that link.


Agree to disagree. I can tolerate strong opinions on both sides, I can tolerate and quite frequently engage in juvenile attacks and bashing, I can tolerate just about anything. What I can't tolerate is the continued use of race solely to insult, demean, or bash on someone. To me it aint right.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 12:20 PM
I changed it to 5 :)

Well, that will certainly help patteeu's swelling go down. :thumb:

patteeu
01-28-2009, 12:20 PM
I cant believe this is such a big stink.

If someone gets so many infractions, they probably deserved it. If not, a mod can reverse it.

The mods shouldn't be moved to take an action that they wouldn't have taken based on their own judgment by a mere 3 (or 5) whiny snitches from a hall monitor, IMO.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Carpet bomb the whole goddamn DC forum, and this is no longer an issue.

People there know it is loosely moderated, if at all, and are constantly pushing further and further to see what they can get away with.

Eliminate DC, and 90% plus of your problems disappear along with it.

Everytime I enter the DC forum (Probably less than 10 times since I joined CP) I feel like my head is going to 'splode.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Carpet bomb the whole goddamn DC forum, and this is no longer an issue.

People there know it is loosely moderated, if at all, and are constantly pushing further and further to see what they can get away with.

Eliminate DC, and 90% plus of your problems disappear along with it.

Yep, and then they come to the main board.
What would be your solution to that?

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:23 PM
The mods shouldn't be moved to take an action that they wouldn't have taken based on their own judgment by a mere 3 (or 5) whiny snitches from a hall monitor, IMO.

Not to be too confrontational, but I will be anyways.

What makes you think that a Supporter doesn't understand what the difference is between a bannable and a non-bannable offense?

The rules are pretty clear cut. If you get dinged by a supporter, you probably would get dinged by a mod too. Its just that there aren't that many mods, so they are less likely to catch you.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Many of us have donated over the years, but not under those terms.

Personally, I think its a decent concept to allow others to as a group, moderate indecent behavior, however I don't like the idea of a (not all of you) douchebag buying that kind of power. A couple of you are pretty cocky about it.


Personally, I'd rather see the infraction stick handed to mod selected long tenured members.

I agree.

The only way I'd use it would be in the case of someone like Marlboro Chief.

As much as I absolutely despise Shtstrayer and his antics, I wouldn't ban him.

DC brings out the worst in people sometimes.

Me included.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 12:24 PM
And just how much money have you donated to keep this board running?

None, I also don't ask of special support powers or anything like that.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Yeah the first Warning (not infraction) I gave was to DCS. If you recall his sig used to be way too big. I probably shouldn't have given that one.

I gave another one to FMB for being a n00b, but he got me back (both warnings not infractions).

All of the other ones I've given have been for bannable (sp?) offenses only. I think I've only given 2 or 3 infractions (red cards).
The one you gave to FMB was obviously a joke, I'm not against anyone using their powers for amusement purposes. I was this >< close to handing some out in that thread as well just to see if it would end up spiraling out of control.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Yep, and then they come to the main board.
What would be your solution to that?

Exactly. For anybody who wasn't here in the fall of 2004, when in the midst of football season when the Chiefs were still good, you'd find perhaps three football-related threads and all the rest the politicos pissing and moaning about everything under the sun.

DC is a good thing. Well, DC itself isn't, but the fact that it exists is.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 12:28 PM
I found it, it's dtebbe. Here's his avatar:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar689_10.gif

and it's titled "A banana for every monkey".
Obama looks like a monkey, not exactly pointing towards to the racial slang part of it.

Obama literally looks like a monkey i see nothing wrong with this.

HemiEd
01-28-2009, 12:28 PM
Some will always be more equal than others.

http://madanti.tripod.com/Image25.jpg

:spock::eek:

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:30 PM
Obama looks like a monkey, not exactly pointing towards to the racial slang part of it.

Obama literally looks like a monkey i see nothing wrong with this.

So, for instance, would you give this post a warning or infraction?

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I think the ban option for supporters is acceptable only in severe cases. When supporters banned Frankie and Chiefdawn last week for misleading threads, I call that abuse of powers. That is something that a mod can take care of at his discretion/convenience. If someone is spamming porn, then by all means, take care of it by any means possible asap.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 12:32 PM
Not to be too confrontational, but I will be anyways.

What makes you think that a Supporter doesn't understand what the difference is between a bannable and a non-bannable offense?

The rules are pretty clear cut. If you get dinged by a supporter, you probably would get dinged by a mod too. Its just that there aren't that many mods, so they are less likely to catch you.

We got along on mod power alone for a long time before you got here. There are a lot of people who post here. Some of them are very level headed like Rain Man, HemiEd and Nzoner (just to name a few of the many) and I wouldn't have any problem with guys like that being deputized. Others will shoot their refrigerator at the drop of a hat and don't belong anywhere in the chain of command when it comes to banning people.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:33 PM
I think the ban option for supporters is acceptable only in severe cases. When supporters banned Frankie and Chiefdawn last week for misleading threads, I call that abuse of powers. That is something that a mod can take care of at his discretion/convenience. If someone is spamming porn, then by all means, take care of it by any means possible asap.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/faq.php?faq=bannable#faq_spam

False News or Thread Title
Many people come here for their Chiefs news, so we don't tolerate false news stories, even if done as a joke. Misleading thread titles can fall into this category.

Its listed right there under bannable offenses.

|Zach|
01-28-2009, 12:33 PM
I think the ban option for supporters is acceptable only in severe cases. When supporters banned Frankie and Chiefdawn last week for misleading threads, I call that abuse of powers. That is something that a mod can take care of at his discretion/convenience. If someone is spamming porn, then by all means, take care of it by any means possible asap.

I disagree, misleading thread titles are BS and I encourage the swift action by all involved.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:34 PM
So, for instance, would you give this post a warning or infraction?

No, I wouldn't. I would click the report post option and leave it to a mods discretion.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 12:35 PM
I think the ban option for supporters is acceptable only in severe cases. When supporters banned Frankie and Chiefdawn last week for misleading threads, I call that abuse of powers. That is something that a mod can take care of at his discretion/convenience. If someone is spamming porn, then by all means, take care of it by any means possible asap.

Apparently, you missed the part where the mods said that those two deserved to be banned for those actions.

In all honesty, the infractions should be done away with, and they should add 2-4 mods to the picture.

Even with the infractions stopping Marlboro Chief from posting more than 7-8 times, it still took almost 20 minutes to get the posts deleted.

IMO, that's 19 minutes too long, especially when we're talking about porn.

There are enough level-headed people here that are around all the time - it wouldn't be that hard to add some depth to the mod roster.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:36 PM
We got along on mod power alone for a long time before you got here. There are a lot of people who post here. Some of them are very level headed like Rain Man, HemiEd and Nzoner (just to name a few of the many) and I wouldn't have any problem with guys like that being deputized. Others will shoot their refrigerator at the drop of a hat and don't belong anywhere in the chain of command when it comes to banning people.

I'm not doubting that you did, but theres a lot of questionable stuff that gets passed over by the supporters as well.

Last week when people were making a bunch of fake threads about Pioli Signing / Herm getting fired, they were cluttering up the board, and a lot of us were getting sick of it...

Anyways, thats my 2 cents, I don't have much more to add.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:36 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/faq.php?faq=bannable#faq_spam

False News or Thread Title
Many people come here for their Chiefs news, so we don't tolerate false news stories, even if done as a joke. Misleading thread titles can fall into this category.

Its listed right there under bannable offenses.

I don't give a shit if it is a bannable offense. It is BS that you have the power to make that call just because you gave $25 to Kyle. It should be reported and let a mod deal with it. Mind your own business and let the mods do their job!

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:37 PM
No, I wouldn't. I would click the report post option and leave it to a mods discretion.

Yeah, while I don't think he was trying to be racist, it sure came off as racist, but I wouldn't give him a warning on something like that. Its not serious enough.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-28-2009, 12:37 PM
I think a monthly charge would create a sense of entitlement, but overall, moderation isn't a bad thing if it's in the right hands.

I've handed out 2 cards. 1 as a joke, the other for racism, or porn, or some such shit.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Apparently, you missed the part where the mods said that those two deserved to be banned for those actions.


No, I didn't miss that part. I just said that it should have been left to the mods.

blueballs
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
I assume mods are chosen for their neutrality
the petty would have field day with this
of course the discourse would rival a Gochiefs bashing thread

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
I don't give a shit if it is a bannable offense. It is BS that you have the power to make that call just because you gave $25 to Kyle. It should be reported and let a mod deal with it. Mind your own business and let the mods do their job!

Eh, who do you think GAVE the supporters the so-called "power" they have?

If you have a problem, take it up with Kyle.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
So, for instance, would you give this post a warning or infraction?

How about Nothing, theres nothing wrong with it given the context of the post.

|Zach|
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Apparently, you missed the part where the mods said that those two deserved to be banned for those actions.

In all honesty, the infractions should be done away with, and they should add 2-4 mods to the picture.

Even with the infractions stopping Marlboro Chief from posting more than 7-8 times, it still took almost 20 minutes to get the posts deleted.

IMO, that's 19 minutes too long, especially when we're talking about porn.

There are enough level-headed people here that are around all the time - it wouldn't be that hard to add some depth to the mod roster.

Mod roster? It is a total shit job that brings on nothing but bitching people.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 12:38 PM
So, for instance, would you give this post a warning or infraction?

Well, it's obvious the mods and the administrator are actively participating in this thread, so I guess it should be left to them.

CoMo is and has always been a button-pushing idiot. Personally, I have no patience for it. But others seem to think its cute.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:39 PM
I don't give a shit if it is a bannable offense. It is BS that you have the power to make that call just because you gave $25 to Kyle. It should be reported and let a mod deal with it. Mind your own business and let the mods do their job!

I guess there is no changing your mind.

Just note that Kyle is the one who put this "program" into place. If it was a huge problem it wouldn't be there in the first place. I think you are over-reacting.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:39 PM
I'm not doubting that you did, but theres a lot of questionable stuff that gets passed over by the supporters as well.

Last week when people were making a bunch of fake threads about Pioli Signing / Herm getting fired, they were cluttering up the board, and a lot of us were getting sick of it...

Anyways, thats my 2 cents, I don't have much more to add.

I get sick of poop threads and drunk threads cluttering up the board. I just click ignore thread, and they are gone.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 12:40 PM
I guess there is no changing your mind.

Just note that Kyle is the one who put this "program" into place. If it was a huge problem it wouldn't be there in the first place. I think you are over-reacting.

He obviously sees the program being abused or he wouldn't have raised the number of infractions to five.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 12:41 PM
Mod roster? It is a total shit job that brings on nothing but bitching people.

Trust me, I know. I've had numerous conversations with Morphius, Phil and Parker regarding what a shitty job it is.

But that doesn't change the fact that more are needed, and there are more than capable people that can handle the responsibilities.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 12:42 PM
Obama looks like a monkey, not exactly pointing towards to the racial slang part of it.

Obama literally looks like a monkey i see nothing wrong with this.

Just like Shtsprayer's comments, it all depends on how you choose to interpret it.

blueballs
01-28-2009, 12:43 PM
Mod roster? It is a total shit job that brings on nothing but bitching people.

moderating supporter powers
should be a hoot

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 12:44 PM
He obviously sees the program being abused or he wouldn't have raised the number of infractions to five.

No, it defaults to 3 and I just felt that was too small a sample size... I honsetly never messed with the settings until now

patteeu
01-28-2009, 12:44 PM
I agree for the most part, although I do think there have a been a few instances where someone was too quick with the trigger. I'll only use mine in extreme situations, for anything else I use the "report post" button and let the real mods deal with it.

And I'll never, ever under any circumstances infract someone in DC, I know damn well what I'm in for when I click that link.

No, I wouldn't. I would click the report post option and leave it to a mods discretion.

This is the kind of temperament that makes for a good ChiefsPlanet mod. :thumb:

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 12:50 PM
Also, the "supporter" group is manually added to by me (which is why people sometimes have to remind me to add them)

No one has abused it yet AND no one that I feel would abuse it would be added to the group regardless...

It is supposed to be a fun perk... I have yet to see anyone use it to create a special "clique" or lord it over anyone...

A final word on it, if someone abused it and it was obviously intentional... they would be the one getting banned.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:51 PM
This is the kind of temperament that makes for a good ChiefsPlanet mod. :thumb:

To clarify, anything that agrees with your notion, is good. Anything you don't agree with is bad. okay.

I don't think I'll ever be visiting www.PatteuPlanet.com. Which is where you should take your narrow minded thinking.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 12:52 PM
Also, the "supporter" group is manually added to by me (which is why people sometimes have to remind me to add them)

No one has abused it yet AND no one that I feel would abuse it would be added to the group regardless...

It is supposed to be a fun perk... I have yet to see anyone use it to create a special "clique" or lord it over anyone...

A final word on it, if someone abused it and it was obviously intentional... they would be the one getting banned.


The grand puba has spoken.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 12:53 PM
This is the kind of temperament that makes for a good ChiefsPlanet mod. :thumb:

LOL, that's flattering, but there are many longer tenured members who would be far more deserving of it than me.

Buck
01-28-2009, 12:58 PM
Also, the "supporter" group is manually added to by me (which is why people sometimes have to remind me to add them)

No one has abused it yet AND no one that I feel would abuse it would be added to the group regardless...

It is supposed to be a fun perk... I have yet to see anyone use it to create a special "clique" or lord it over anyone...

A final word on it, if someone abused it and it was obviously intentional... they would be the one getting banned.

/Thread

Please close thread...

Frazod
01-28-2009, 01:02 PM
A final word on it, if someone abused it and it was obviously intentional... they would be the one getting banned.

I had no doubt about this part whatsoever.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 01:14 PM
Trust me, I know. I've had numerous conversations with Morphius, Phil and Parker regarding what a shitty job it is.

But that doesn't change the fact that more are needed, and there are more than capable people that can handle the responsibilities.

I have offered or I am willing to offer my services as long as it doesn't pertain to me moderating any part of DC, for the obvious reasons.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-28-2009, 01:14 PM
The grand puba has spoken.

What?

burt
01-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Hi there, it's me, breaking my self imposed ban. I've been lurking today. The new system creates animosity that shouldn't be created. Mini Nazi's abound. I made an obvious joke thread. Mayhaps it could be deemed a "false thread" but it was so a freaking a parody on all the "Herms fired/Shanahans in" threads, that I didn't see it as a "false" thread. So I got "infarked" Pissed me off. And this bullshit....

[/QUOTE]
Don't worry, though. I'm not going to go and find a bunch of other posts and ban you. I just give one infraction, unlike others.[/QUOTE]

Oh, thank you great one...oh mighty supporter. Athletic supporter!

And this was just ahours after a "Is it cool to jizz on her face" thread!

burt
01-28-2009, 01:15 PM
/Thread

Please close thread...

Bullshit....still needs discussion....

ClevelandBronco
01-28-2009, 01:16 PM
It's none of my business.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 01:17 PM
What?


LOL

I meant Grand Poobah...

Skip Towne
01-28-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't see the system being abused. I didn't even know about it when I contributed. And I haven't used it. I wouldn't be a very good cop.

HemiEd
01-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Carpet bomb the whole goddamn DC forum, and this is no longer an issue.

People there know it is loosely moderated, if at all, and are constantly pushing further and further to see what they can get away with.

Eliminate DC, and 90% plus of your problems disappear along with it.

So you want MeMe down here?:shake:

Skip Towne
01-28-2009, 01:55 PM
So you want MeMe down here?:shake:

Yep, she was here all the time before DC. Cesspool that it is it has redeeming qualities.

burt
01-28-2009, 01:56 PM
What kind of supportive powers could some one get for $100?

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 02:02 PM
What kind of supportive powers could some one get for $100?

You could probably own fatchatter for that kind of dough.

burt
01-28-2009, 02:04 PM
You could probably own fatchatter for that kind of dough.

I understood it was $500.!

HemiEd
01-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Yep, she was here all the time before DC. Cesspool that it is it has redeeming qualities.

yeah, I remember that when I found this place. She had me more confused than I normally am.

DaFace
01-28-2009, 02:12 PM
I think the ban option for supporters is acceptable only in severe cases. When supporters banned Frankie and Chiefdawn last week for misleading threads, I call that abuse of powers. That is something that a mod can take care of at his discretion/convenience. If someone is spamming porn, then by all means, take care of it by any means possible asap.

Supporters had nothing to do with those bans, FYI.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 03:24 PM
Also, the "supporter" group is manually added to by me (which is why people sometimes have to remind me to add them)

No one has abused it yet AND no one that I feel would abuse it would be added to the group regardless...

It is supposed to be a fun perk... I have yet to see anyone use it to create a special "clique" or lord it over anyone...

A final word on it, if someone abused it and it was obviously intentional... they would be the one getting banned.

You've obviously got the right to run your board however you want to, but SHTSPRAYER was banned because of who he is, not because of what he posted in that particular thread. I'm confident that a different poster could have posted those same things without drawing the ire of the Sheriff of Refrigeration and his Barney Fife. Both of them have had run-ins with SHTSPRAYER before and IMO, Frazod in particular, welcomed an excuse to use his wonder powers on him.

Taco John
01-28-2009, 03:28 PM
SHTSPRAYER was banned because he was posting some pretty overtly racist stuff.

He deserved worse than what he got.

Taco John
01-28-2009, 03:31 PM
"White Liberals - Obama is a racist! Why did you vote for this magic negro! black pimp! Zippa dee doo dah!"

He was definitely inciting racial animus. He could have made a very good point without being so overtly racist.

Buck
01-28-2009, 03:34 PM
Yeah I just read through that thread...Hes a racist bigot and such...

burt
01-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Yeah I just read through that thread...Hes a racist bigot and such...

I hate your new sig. I also hate bigots. Speaking of which, how's it feel to be in the Nazi's?

Buck
01-28-2009, 03:41 PM
I hate your new sig. I also hate bigots. Speaking of which, how's it feel to be in the Nazi's?

It feels.......AWESOME

JOhn
01-28-2009, 03:45 PM
fwiw, as a long time member and someone who remembers why this BB was created, I think the powers given them is a great idea.

This place was created to get away from overbearing Mods, and in 9 years I have only seen one time a mod really went to far.

Way to many times in the past, shit would happen here on the BB and it would sometimes take hours to be taken care of.

IF you think that you have been abused in some way, then by all means take it up with Austinchief. In all the years I've known him (online) I have never seen him abuse his power, and is always been fair. Frankly there are times I wish he would be more of a dick to some people.:D

Just my .02 worth

burt
01-28-2009, 03:45 PM
It feels.......AWESOME

Getting a red card totally pissed me off. My Jack Harry fired thread was obviously a parody of the bullshit posted that day. I get a red card and "Jizz on my face" is cool? I call bullshit.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 03:48 PM
You've obviously got the right to run your board however you want to, but SHTSPRAYER was banned because of who he is, not because of what he posted in that particular thread. I'm confident that a different poster could have posted those same things without drawing the ire of the Sheriff of Refrigeration and his Barney Fife. Both of them have had run-ins with SHTSPRAYER before and IMO, Frazod in particular, welcomed an excuse to use his wonder powers on him.

:deevee:

Eventually you might want to just settle on a single version of this whiny tale of woe you've vomited up for the.... what - 20th time now? That way you could just cut and paste and save yourself the trouble of rewriting it. Give it a rest. Nobody had a problem with it except you and your fellow Taliban. And our resident ACLU guy, who probably gets weepy every time the latest version of Marlboro Chief gets whacked.

Buck
01-28-2009, 03:48 PM
Getting a red card totally pissed me off. My Jack Harry fired thread was obviously a parody of the bullshit posted that day. I get a red card and "Jizz on my face" is cool? I call bullshit.

Lol...Who gave you the Red Card?

To be fair, you did see that similar posts got people temporarily banned....if you missed those ones, c'est la vie.

Also I believe it wasn't a Jizz on my face thread, it was Luv wondering why guys thought that was hot.

Not that I'm defending the situation, but you should have known the risk factors going into making that thread.

DaFace
01-28-2009, 03:48 PM
You've obviously got the right to run your board however you want to, but SHTSPRAYER was banned because of who he is, not because of what he posted in that particular thread. I'm confident that a different poster could have posted those same things without drawing the ire of the Sheriff of Refrigeration and his Barney Fife. Both of them have had run-ins with SHTSPRAYER before and IMO, Frazod in particular, welcomed an excuse to use his wonder powers on him.

For what it's worth, I was aware of the SHTSPRAYER temp ban and allowed it to stand. I check in on the infractions every couple days to make sure there's no one going crazy. Would I have banned him in the first place? Maybe, maybe not. But his post was certainly questionable, so I decided to let the temp ban stand.

You all can continue to argue about that choice over in DC; that's not the intent of my post here. I just wanted to make it clear that this isn't some system sitting out there where someone could go crazy unnoticed.

DaFace
01-28-2009, 03:50 PM
Getting a red card totally pissed me off. My Jack Harry fired thread was obviously a parody of the bullshit posted that day. I get a red card and "Jizz on my face" is cool? I call bullshit.

Just think of it as neg rep. It takes a bunch of people all pissed off at you at the same time for it to matter.

burt
01-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Lol...Who gave you the Red Card?

To be fair, you did see that similar posts got people temporarily banned....if you missed those ones, c'est la vie.

Also I believe it wasn't a Jizz on my face thread, it was Luv wondering why guys thought that was hot.

Not that I'm defending the situation, but you should have known the risk factors going into making that thread.

Fire Me Boy! red carded me. I didn't feel that something that obviously a parody would cause a stir....my bad.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 03:53 PM
For what it's worth, I was aware of the SHTSPRAYER temp ban and allowed it to stand. I check in on the infractions every couple days to make sure there's no one going crazy. Would I have banned him in the first place? Maybe, maybe not. But his post was certainly questionable, so I decided to let the temp ban stand.

You all can continue to argue about that choice over in DC; that's not the intent of my post here. I just wanted to make it clear that this isn't some system sitting out there where someone could go crazy unnoticed.

Thanks DaFace and Austin for clarifying all of this. So basically it is not like what the whiners think it is and you guys actually watch over who gets infractions and what not.

Therefore I conclude all the whining is for not. Thanks. :thumb:

Taco John
01-28-2009, 03:53 PM
I think that it's a good system, so long as the mods are moderating *that* system. It lets the community do the heavy lifting when it comes to moderating the forum. I've been trying to figure out a way to do such a thing, and I think that this system is as good as I've seen - despite the fact that it does invite a fair amount of drama when people want to start mincing over what constitutes racism and what doesn't. Which isn't altogether a bad discussion to have. But at the end of the day, it forces people to consider the audience - the community - and think twice about posting over the top stuff.

burt
01-28-2009, 03:54 PM
Just think of it as neg rep. It takes a bunch of people all pissed off at you at the same time for it to matter.

STOP BEING REASONABLE! You are taking all the fun out of a good pissy fit!

Basileus777
01-28-2009, 03:56 PM
I think it's a bad idea. If this board needs more monitoring, just add another moderator, otherwise I think it sets a bad precedent and is going to be abused eventually. I guess it's a clever way to increase donations, but I don't see the point otherwise.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2009, 03:58 PM
It wasn't so much the banning as the attitude of; I can do it, I did it, I have my reasons, I don't care what you think.

The "I don't care what you think" directly stems from people lining up to defend an out and out troll, who, if he shared an antipodal political belief, the same people would be lining up to pillory.

Jets fans show up to warn us about Herm: permabanned

Jet fans shows up and consistently spews thinly veiled racist garbage but does so from a common political viewpoint: Keep him around.

It's hog shit.

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 03:59 PM
I think that it's a good system, so long as the mods are moderating *that* system. It lets the community do the heavy lifting when it comes to moderating the forum. I've been trying to figure out a way to do such a thing, and I think that this system is as good as I've seen - despite the fact that it does invite a fair amount of drama when people want to start mincing over what constitutes racism and what doesn't. Which isn't altogether a bad discussion to have. But at the end of the day, it forces people to consider the audience - the community - and think twice about posting over the top stuff.

I think you bring up a good point TJ. In the past people would post all kinds of crazy stuff and the worst that could happen would be neg rep but who cares about that. Now maybe people will watch to some degree what the say or how they say it. I am not advocating censorship so much as some kind of decorum.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 04:00 PM
I think that BK abused the system in banning Chiefdawn by going back in old posts to find something to red card so as to get the poster banned. Maybe I should contribute some money to get some power and find three BK drunken stupid posts and ban him. See how great he thinks it is then.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2009, 04:01 PM
I think you bring up a good point TJ. In the past people would post all kinds of crazy stuff and the worst that could happen would be neg rep but who cares about that. Now maybe people will watch to some degree what the say or how they say it. I am not advocating censorship so much as some kind of decorum.

People should be free to wish for the death of a presidential candidate without repercussion, facist.

burt
01-28-2009, 04:01 PM
You sons of bitches have swayed me over to liking the athletic supporters.

DaFace
01-28-2009, 04:06 PM
I think that BK abused the system in banning Chiefdawn by going back in old posts to find something to red card so as to get the poster banned. Maybe I should contribute some money to get some power and find three BK drunken stupid posts and ban him. See how great he thinks it is then.

In case you missed it.

Supporters had nothing to do with those bans, FYI.

Three separate people gave him an infraction, which would have resulted in a temp ban had I not manually done it myself first.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2009, 04:06 PM
I found it, it's dtebbe. Here's his avatar:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/customavatars/avatar689_10.gif

and it's titled "A banana for every monkey".
holy crap .... never even noticed it


he should have to take it down, at least

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:07 PM
I think that BK abused the system in banning Chiefdawn by going back in old posts to find something to red card so as to get the poster banned. Maybe I should contribute some money to get some power and find three BK drunken stupid posts and ban him. See how great he thinks it is then.

Yes I did.

Fuck it, DaFace, please take away my Supporter Status or at least my Infraction powers. Its now obvious that jjchieffan doesn't really care about the whole situation, just me personally.

Thanks.

P.S. I hope this appeases you jj.

Basileus777
01-28-2009, 04:07 PM
I think SHTSPRAYER is a separate issue. He's an obnoxious troll who should have been perma-banned a long time ago. I don't think giving users to ability to ban people is the solution to trolls, the mods need to take care of that.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:07 PM
man! $120 a year from one member. Imagine 100 members paying all year. Thats $12,000 from 100 members in 1 year. Where does that cash go?

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2009, 04:09 PM
man! $120 a year from one member. Imagine 100 members paying all year. Thats $12,000 from 100 members in 1 year. Where does that cash go?

Into the G-string of that chick that Austin Chief was flirting with a few weeks ago.

burt
01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
man! $120 a year from one member. Imagine 100 members paying all year. Thats $12,000 from 100 members in 1 year. Where does that cash go?

Yeah....about that....Austin Chief is in this for the great monetary rewards:rolleyes:

Mr. Laz
01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
You've obviously got the right to run your board however you want to, but SHTSPRAYER was banned because of who he is, not because of what he posted in that particular thread. I'm confident that a different poster could have posted those same things without drawing the ire of the Sheriff of Refrigeration and his Barney Fife. Both of them have had run-ins with SHTSPRAYER before and IMO, Frazod in particular, welcomed an excuse to use his wonder powers on him.
you wouldn't give a crap if shit prayer wasn't part of your insane GOP posse.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
man! $120 a year from one member. Imagine 100 members paying all year. Thats $12,000 from 100 members in 1 year. Where does that cash go?

Strippers and blow.

$12K doesn't go very far.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:11 PM
Into the G-string of that chick that Austin Chief was flirting with a few weeks ago.

lol YAHTZEE!

Skip Towne
01-28-2009, 04:11 PM
You sons of bitches have swayed me over to liking the athletic supporters.

I knew you'd come around. We're usually on the same page.

burt
01-28-2009, 04:12 PM
I knew you'd come around. We're usually on the same page.

Please don't let any one else know this....

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:15 PM
Strippers and blow.

$12K doesn't go very far.

mmmm strippers......

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:15 PM
man! $120 a year from one member. Imagine 100 members paying all year. Thats $12,000 from 100 members in 1 year. Where does that cash go?

Hopefully mostly in AustinChief's pocket.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Hopefully mostly in AustinChief's pocket.

and there'd be no tax he has to pay on that huge profit?

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:20 PM
and there'd be no tax he has to pay on that huge profit?



Who the hell are you to start asking such questions? Apparently in Billings, people nose through their neighbors wallets to make sure nobody is making any profit.

Damned busybody.

Skip Towne
01-28-2009, 04:24 PM
Hopefully mostly in AustinChief's pocket.

I'll bet he'd like to have a couple of years like that to make up what he's spent in the past.

Baby Lee
01-28-2009, 04:25 PM
The "I don't care what you think" directly stems from people lining up to defend an out and out troll, who, if he shared an antipodal political belief, the same people would be lining up to pillory.

Jets fans show up to warn us about Herm: permabanned

Jet fans shows up and consistently spews thinly veiled racist garbage but does so from a common political viewpoint: Keep him around.

It's hog shit.

You see, when I disagree with someone, I make my case for why I disagree. Haven't had myself a good pillorying in some time now. And I've never called for a ban of anyone from any side of any aisle.

Iowanian
01-28-2009, 04:25 PM
Its like a red corvette for people with tiny internet dicks.

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Its like a red corvette for people with tiny internet dicks.

FWIW, On the internet, everyone has a huge dick.

Skip Towne
01-28-2009, 04:28 PM
Its like a red corvette for people with tiny internet dicks.

Don't cost much either. VRooooom!

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:29 PM
Who the hell are you to start asking such questions? Apparently in Billings, people nose through their neighbors wallets to make sure nobody is making any profit.

Damned busybody.

are you serious?

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:31 PM
are you serious?

I can't believe that YOU'RE serious.

Why in the world do you believe that anyone has any sort of financial accountability to you? Frigging nutcase...


http://www.penguin.com.au/covers-jpg/9781846462825.jpg

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:32 PM
Technically all the money sent to Kyle is invested back into this BB.

Right?

Mr. Laz
01-28-2009, 04:35 PM
You sons of bitches have swayed me over to liking the athletic supporters.I knew you'd come around. We're usually on the same page.
you guys go around sniffing guys jocks or something?


count me out for joining that club


NTTIAWWT TinkyWinky

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:37 PM
I can't believe that YOU'RE serious.

Why in the world do you believe that anyone has any sort of financial accountability to you? Frigging nutcase...

when I make a profit like that I have to pay tax. Thats a lot of money to get just hand out a few flags to members on here. How much does it cost to run this? Couple hundred? I don't mind donating, but I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.

Mr. Laz
01-28-2009, 04:38 PM
Technically all the money sent to Kyle is invested back into this BB.

Right?
more than technically .... he's been paying for the servers all by himself (without banners etc) for years.

so believe he's still way in the red

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:41 PM
when I make a profit like that I have to pay tax. Thats a lot of money to get just hand out a few flags to members on here. How much does it cost to run this? Couple hundred? I don't mind donating, but I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.

Think of the Servers he had to buy to run this place. Also think about all the software he's needed to purchase as well. Also think about the money it costs in electricity to be constantly running those servers.

I'm sure w/ all the software/hardware needed to keep up this place he doesn't turn a profit at all.

And I guarantee you there is no way that we donate $12,000 a year to him. No way at all.

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:41 PM
when I make a profit like that I have to pay tax. Thats a lot of money to get just hand out a few flags to members on here. How much does it cost to run this? Couple hundred? I don't mind donating, but I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.


Now you're throwing around accusations? You're just going to assume that Kyle doesn't pay income tax? Should he send you his tax forms and get an a-ok from you before he files? What nerve you have!

They don't grow them in Montana like they used to, do they? In Idaho, people minded their own business. I always imagined that's the way things were in Montana, but watching this spectacle pretty well dispels that notion. Apparently we've got the profit police operating out there.

kstater
01-28-2009, 04:43 PM
when I make a profit like that I have to pay tax. Thats a lot of money to get just hand out a few flags to members on here. How much does it cost to run this? Couple hundred? I don't mind donating, but I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.

IIRC, around $300/month. And do you know personally that he doesn't claim this money. AND He's been losing money for years on this. And I doubt he even gets enough to cover his expenses.

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:44 PM
And I guarantee you there is no way that we donate $12,000 a year to him. No way at all.


No way in hell. People talk a good game when it comes to donating, but he'll be lucky to break even. I just can't believe the nerve some people have that they want to start nosing into the financials. This place is pretty cut and dried. You either like it, and want to donate, or you don't. I don't see where Kyle has any need to start running open books so that the profit police can be appeased.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 04:45 PM
Into the G-string of that chick that Austin Chief was flirting with a few weeks ago.

HELL YEAH! (if we ever break even that IS where it is going!)

Unfortunately, no. It goes to monthly server and yearly software costs... plus the occasional hardware upgrade. (boring I know...)

Basileus777
01-28-2009, 04:46 PM
No way in hell. People talk a good game when it comes to donating, but he'll be lucky to break even. I just can't believe the nerve some people have that they want to start nosing into the financials. This place is pretty cut and dried. You either like it, and want to donate, or you don't. I don't see where Kyle has any need to start running open books so that the profit police can be appeased.

You're overreacting just a tad. Badmajama just wanted to know whether the donations we actually being used to run the server and not line Kyle's pockets.

I highly doubt that the donations really amount to all that much money though, probably not even enough to run the servers.

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:46 PM
No way in hell. People talk a good game when it comes to donating, but he'll be lucky to break even. I just can't believe the nerve some people have that they want to start nosing into the financials. This place is pretty cut and dried. You either like it, and want to donate, or you don't. I don't see where Kyle has any need to start running open books so that the profit police can be appeased.

Exactly.

If this place stopped working tomorrow any of us would be a little peeved that we didn't have our meeting place anymore. I'm sure Donations help a little bit, but you shouldn't question the man who lets us have this place to talk to eachother every day.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:47 PM
Now you're throwing around accusations? You're just going to assume that Kyle doesn't pay income tax? Should he send you his tax forms and get an a-ok from you before he files? What nerve you have!

They don't grow them in Montana like they used to, do they? In Idaho, people minded their own business. I always imagined that's the way things were in Montana, but watching this spectacle pretty well dispels that notion. Apparently we've got the profit police operating out there.

eat a fuckin dick dude. You're blowing this way way way out of proportion. You fuckin' assume that I want to see the tax records. No. Why? Whats wrong with asking where my money goes? I could care less if he gets taxed or not. Really I could care less. Pick your battles because right now you're fighting a lost cause. Quit stirring shit up Taco Man.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 04:48 PM
I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.

Not so much into blow, but what do you have against hookers?

(I keed, I keed)

burt
01-28-2009, 04:49 PM
you guys go around sniffing guys jocks or something?


count me out for joining that club


NTTIAWWT TinkyWinky

I'v always had a big ol', hetro, man crush on Skippy.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:50 PM
Think of the Servers he had to buy to run this place. Also think about all the software he's needed to purchase as well. Also think about the money it costs in electricity to be constantly running those servers.

I'm sure w/ all the software/hardware needed to keep up this place he doesn't turn a profit at all.

And I guarantee you there is no way that we donate $12,000 a year to him. No way at all.

jesus guys it was all hypothetical. I was going to start talking about what things that can be added with that kind of money being donated. That bubble has popped.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 04:50 PM
probably not even enough to run the servers.

Not even close, but they help... and we have ads (at the bottom) which usually bring in around $30 (10% of the server) monthly.

Ok, gotta run, installing Wordpress so we can have FREE interviews and articles! (shameless plug for my stuck thread at the top of the board...)

Taco John
01-28-2009, 04:51 PM
You're overreacting just a tad. Badmajama just wanted to know whether the donations we actually being used to run the server and not line Kyle's pockets.



Yeah, God forbid that Kyle gets compensated for his effort for the service he provides. :rolleyes:

rambleonthruthefog
01-28-2009, 04:52 PM
some people should not have power
of any ****ing kind

brock

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:53 PM
Not so much into blow, but what do you have against hookers?

(I keed, I keed)

They gave my grandma the clap.:(

Buck
01-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Sorry badmajama

Got a little carried away.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Yeah, God forbid that Kyle gets compensated for his effort for the service he provides. :rolleyes:

STFU. You're just mad that you got huffy and it made you look retarded.

Basileus777
01-28-2009, 04:57 PM
I tried donating, but Paypal won't accept my debit card.

rad
01-28-2009, 04:57 PM
when I make a profit like that I have to pay tax. Thats a lot of money to get just hand out a few flags to members on here. How much does it cost to run this? Couple hundred? I don't mind donating, but I like to know it goes to a good cause and not hookers and blow.

You either donate, or you don't. The money goes to the dude that runs this place. That's all you need to know.

If he wants to spend it on hookers and blow, maybe a "special" donkey, that's none of our business.

rad
01-28-2009, 05:00 PM
Now you're throwing around accusations? You're just going to assume that Kyle doesn't pay income tax? Should he send you his tax forms and get an a-ok from you before he files? What nerve you have!

They don't grow them in Montana like they used to, do they? In Idaho, people minded their own business. I always imagined that's the way things were in Montana, but watching this spectacle pretty well dispels that notion. Apparently we've got the profit police operating out there.

Don't let one assclown skew your perception of an entire state. I know a few people from Montana and they.......well, they're methheads.....but still!

burt
01-28-2009, 05:00 PM
You either donate, or you don't. The money goes to the dude that runs this place. That's all you need to know.

If he wants to spend it on hookers and blow, maybe a "special" donkey, that's none of our business.

absofreakinglutely!!!

Taco John
01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
STFU. You're just mad that you got huffy and it made you look retarded.

I'm not mad. Just annoyed at the nerve of some people. I like the part where you were going to come up with ideas on how Kyle could spend the money he earns. Yeah - I'm the one who looks retarded.

rad
01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
Yeah, God forbid that Kyle gets compensated for his effort for the service he provides. :rolleyes:

Right!

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
You either donate, or you don't. The money goes to the dude that runs this place. That's all you need to know.

If he wants to spend it on hookers and blow, maybe a "special" donkey, that's none of our business.

like a donkey with a learning disability? I'm not getting your drift here...

DaFace
01-28-2009, 05:01 PM
absofreakinglutely!!!

I hate to break it to you, but I'm not sure you're doing this whole "temp self ban" right. :p

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:02 PM
You either donate, or you don't. The money goes to the dude that runs this place. That's all you need to know.

If he wants to spend it on hookers and blow, maybe a "special" donkey, that's none of our business.

I wouldn't want to know anyways. lol

honestly think though if that kind of money flowed through imagine the possibilities he can do for the site. I think he's tapped into everything that makes it functional and I definitely love the Casino. What could be done more?

Buck
01-28-2009, 05:04 PM
Every once in a while (I think twice since I've been here [Nov 2006]) there will be a CP Fundraiser if something huge is happening, but when there isn't one of those, I'm sure that not much money is donated.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-28-2009, 05:04 PM
Most people who have "powers" :rolleyes: donated long before this function was ever added. So, if it changes your perception of the planet, feel free to kick it online somewhere else.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:04 PM
I'm not mad. Just annoyed at the nerve of some people. I like the part where you were going to come up with ideas on how Kyle could spend the money he earns. Yeah - I'm the one who looks retarded.

dude keep it up. It was just going to be a discussion. I bet you come up with ideas how the Chiefs spend their money on certain players and coaches. STFU

burt
01-28-2009, 05:05 PM
I hate to break it to you, but I'm not sure you're doing this whole "temp self ban" right. :p

Shit....do I get another red card for being wrong???ROFL

rad
01-28-2009, 05:05 PM
like a donkey with a learning disability? I'm not getting your drift here...

Obscure Bachelor Party reference, but I don't think that donkey was retarded. It just snorted a bunch of coke and ate a bunch of pills and found itself tits up the elevator.

Buck
01-28-2009, 05:05 PM
Actually the only reason I donated was so I could have a bolded name.

ROFL

kstater
01-28-2009, 05:05 PM
dude keep it up. It was just going to be a discussion. I bet you come up with ideas how the Chiefs spend their money on certain players and coaches. STFU

I highly doubt Taco John spends any time coming up with ways for the Chiefs to spend money.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:06 PM
Actually the only reason I donated was so I could have a bolded name.

ROFL

oh so bolded names mean you donated at least once to the site? Does it expire?

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 05:07 PM
Obscure Bachelor Party reference, but I don't think that donkey was retarded. It just snorted a bunch of coke and ate a bunch of pills and found itself tits up the elevator.
Gotcha, and here I thought a trip to Mexico was on the agenda...

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:08 PM
Most people who have "powers" :rolleyes: donated long before this function was ever added. So, if it changes your perception of the planet, feel free to kick it online somewhere else.

that would be tough.

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Every once in a while (I think twice since I've been here [Nov 2006]) there will be a CP Fundraiser if something huge is happening, but when there isn't one of those, I'm sure that not much money is donated.

Joe's fundraisers were for the Arthritis Foundation, Kyle didn't get any $ from those.

And ftr, the first time Kyle ever asked for donations since I've been here was when he upgraded the servers last year. I'm sure he operated this place at a loss for years.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 05:09 PM
oh so bolded names mean you donated at least once to the site? Does it expire?

I haven't thought that far ahead....

burt
01-28-2009, 05:10 PM
that would be tough.

No shit...I had a bad 5 days during my SELF BANNISHMENT. There are some slow f***ing sites out there.

Buck
01-28-2009, 05:11 PM
Joe's fundraisers were for the Arthritis Foundation, Kyle didn't get any $ from those.

And ftr, the first time Kyle ever asked for donations since I've been here was when he upgraded the servers last year. I'm sure he operated this place at a loss for years.

Ahh, I stand corrected.

burt
01-28-2009, 05:11 PM
Ahh, I stand corrected.

Liar!!!! You sit corrected.

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 05:13 PM
On a side note... I would love for the site to pay for itself with unodtrusive ads... BUT that isn't very viable since the point of an ad is to be noticed... and I don't want the site junked up with noticable ads...

The other option would be to have sponsers (i.e. the official ticket broker of CP, or the official USB butt warmer of CP...) but that is a route I have never had the time or energy to pursue...

but regardless, don't expect the site to go to any kind of "premium" model or get junked up with ads anytime soon... I'll launch RaidersPlanet.com if I want to annoy the members....

Baby Lee
01-28-2009, 05:14 PM
like a donkey with a learning disability? I'm not getting your drift here...

Yeah, he could be devoted full time to penning movie and award critiques.

Buck
01-28-2009, 05:14 PM
oh so bolded names mean you donated at least once to the site? Does it expire?

Not sure. I've made one donation per month and mine is still here, not sure about the others.

Not to tell you what to do, but if you enjoy your time here, it might be a nice thing to donate even $5. Any little amount helps I'm sure.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Yeah, God forbid that Kyle gets compensated for his effort for the service he provides. :rolleyes:

welcome to the democratic party

AustinChief
01-28-2009, 05:18 PM
Yeah, he could be devoted full time to penning movie and award critiques.
SWEET! That would save me hours!

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:21 PM
Not sure. I've made one donation per month and mine is still here, not sure about the others.

Not to tell you what to do, but if you enjoy your time here, it might be a nice thing to donate even $5. Any little amount helps I'm sure.

Don't worry I won't snap at you for offering advice. I don't mind donating. I don't know how things are run. GO n00b!

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 05:21 PM
Yes I did.

**** it, DaFace, please take away my Supporter Status or at least my Infraction powers. Its now obvious that jjchieffan doesn't really care about the whole situation, just me personally.

Thanks.

P.S. I hope this appeases you jj.

This is not entirely about you BK. The only reason I am attacking you personally is because you boasted how you found an old post and "banned his ass". Had you been discrete, I would have had no idea that you were even involved.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 05:23 PM
you wouldn't give a crap if shit prayer wasn't part of your insane GOP posse.

Since I've been here, I've always defended memyselfi when thin-skinned people tried to ban her.

rad
01-28-2009, 05:23 PM
This is not entirely about you BK. The only reason I am attacking you personally is because you boasted how you found an old post and "banned his ass". Had you been discrete, I would have had no idea that you were even involved.

Dude, look further up this thread....Daface banned them. Get the net!

Buck
01-28-2009, 05:23 PM
This is not entirely about you BK. The only reason I am attacking you personally is because you boasted how you found an old post and "banned his ass". Had you been discrete, I would have had no idea that you were even involved.

Okay I see where you are coming from.

I don't want this little tiff to spill over either. I've never gotten into an argument w/ you before on any other topic, I hope to keep it that way.

allen_kcCard
01-28-2009, 05:24 PM
I think it should be tied into rep somehow as well personally...make it mean something.

That way the people that are asswipes all the time are vulnerable to people with supporter more, but people that are here long enough with a decent enough rep are more shielded from someone just getting a hankering to take a bad day out on someone.

burt
01-28-2009, 05:24 PM
This is not entirely about you BK. The only reason I am attacking you personally is because you boasted how you found an old post and "banned his ass". Had you been discrete, I would have had no idea that you were even involved.

Descretion is something we are all so very good at here.......

Bugeater
01-28-2009, 05:26 PM
I think it should be tied into rep somehow as well personally...make it mean something.

Ooh, I like that idea, an infraction should take away 5,000 rep points.

patteeu
01-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Now you're throwing around accusations? You're just going to assume that Kyle doesn't pay income tax? Should he send you his tax forms and get an a-ok from you before he files? What nerve you have!

They don't grow them in Montana like they used to, do they? In Idaho, people minded their own business. I always imagined that's the way things were in Montana, but watching this spectacle pretty well dispels that notion. Apparently we've got the profit police operating out there.

It's OK though because the profit police paid their $10 to the state of Montana for their official cardboard badges.

burt
01-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Ooh, I like that idea, an infraction should take away 5,000 rep points.

The way it's been explained to me....not a bad idea at all.....

Mr. Flopnuts
01-28-2009, 05:30 PM
Ooh, I like that idea, an infraction should take away 5,000 rep points.

LMAO This place would go red overnight.

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:30 PM
It's OK though because the profit police paid their $10 to the state of Montana for their official cardboard badges.

momma said you're so bright that's why she calls you son.

burt
01-28-2009, 05:30 PM
It's OK though because the profit police paid their $10 to the state of Montana for their official cardboard badges.

They don' need no stinkin badges......

burt
01-28-2009, 05:31 PM
LMAO This place would go red overnight.

What...you afraid of being "just" an icon.......

Johnny Vegas
01-28-2009, 05:33 PM
They don' need no stinkin badges......

heh

Mr. Flopnuts
01-28-2009, 05:38 PM
What...you afraid of being "just" an icon.......

Shit, you can redcan me like Claythan. I only check my rep for the comments people leave. Some of the best ones are neg. Matter of fact, the casino cash whoring thread is the only reason mine is so high. I honestly couldn't give two shits about it.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 05:39 PM
Ooh, I like that idea, an infraction should take away 5,000 rep points.

No one on here really gives 2 shits about rep.

Just sayin'

Pos rep is a thoughtful gesture, but really if anyone neg rep bombs me etc, I really dont lose much sleep over it.

jjchieffan
01-28-2009, 05:41 PM
Okay I see where you are coming from.

I don't want this little tiff to spill over either. I've never gotten into an argument w/ you before on any other topic, I hope to keep it that way.

I agree. No need for this to go overboard. I have never had a problem with you. I just decided since the topic had a thread dedicated to it, I would weigh in with my opinion. FWIW, and I will probably get banned for this, but what the hey. Chiefdawn is my wife. I used to her account last week to start the bogus thread because I wanted to make a point about everyone overreacting to the fake Herm and Pioli threads without getting banned myself. (which went exactly the way I expected it to) People get so worked up over something so trivial. It is fine to start threads about poop or blowing your wad in someones face, but god forbid someone start a thread that is misleading. As I have said before, Use the ignore thread feature if you don't want to see it. I do. Instead, people keep the thread on the front page by posting in it. So, if 5 of you want to red card card and ban me, fine. I can still lurk. I can live without posting for a few days.

CoMoChief
01-28-2009, 05:44 PM
I agree. No need for this to go overboard. I have never had a problem with you. I just decided since the topic had a thread dedicated to it, I would weigh in with my opinion. FWIW, and I will probably get banned for this, but what the hey. Chiefdawn is my wife. I used to her account last week to start the bogus thread because I wanted to make a point about everyone overreacting to the fake Herm and Pioli threads without getting banned myself. (which went exactly the way I expected it to) People get so worked up over something so trivial. It is fine to start threads about poop or blowing your wad in someones face, but god forbid someone start a thread that is misleading. As I have said before, Use the ignore thread feature if you don't want to see it. I do. Instead, people keep the thread on the front page by posting in it. So, if 5 of you want to red card card and ban me, fine. I can still lurk. I can live without posting for a few days.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

burt
01-28-2009, 05:46 PM
Shit, you can redcan me like Claythan.

Wouldn't be nearly as fun....

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Since I've been here, I've always defended memyselfi when thin-skinned people tried to ban her.


So what are you? Like, Patteu, protector of the trolls. Dude get a grip.

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 06:09 PM
LMAO This place would go red overnight.


No kidding super neg bombs. Please AustinChief make this happen.

Iowanian
01-28-2009, 06:21 PM
Don't cost much either. VRooooom!

I'd expect more from you skip.

Model A, Model T....apple dumplin' gang car sounds.


ppff bbb bbbbb bb bbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbppppp p p p pp ppppp pppp p pppppp!!!!

WilliamTheIrish
01-28-2009, 06:31 PM
I thought they were called "hall monitor" powers.

Relying on actual moderators to ban people posting porn has never been a big issue in the past.

I think it's great that people are donating to ChiefsPlanet. I don't mind those people getting some fringe benefits in return. I think it's a bad idea to have a policy that any yahoo can buy a slice of moderator power, though. There are several people around here who shouldn't be anywhere near the ban button. If we need more people with the ability to flag posts as offensive because our moderators are stretched too thin, then they ought to be selected with an eye toward their temperament and judgment.

One of the big attractions of ChiefsPlanet over other Chiefs message boards or other message boards in general (especially corporate sponsored boards) is the fact that it is lightly moderated. This place is like the wild west of message boards and I think that's a good thing. The lighter the moderation the better, IMO.

In general, I'm a fairly relaxed individual. But SHT's thread was ridiculous. I'm not sure it required a banning, but if I had the capability, I'd have locked that thread with a polite request to quit being a complete fuckhead.
If he tried it again, then I'd whack 'im.

WilliamTheIrish
01-28-2009, 06:34 PM
Carpet bomb the whole goddamn DC forum, and this is no longer an issue.

People there know it is loosely moderated, if at all, and are constantly pushing further and further to see what they can get away with.

Eliminate DC, and 90% plus of your problems disappear along with it.

Untrue. A single person pushes farhter and farther to see what HE can get away with.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 06:41 PM
Untrue. A single person pushes farhter and farther to see what HE can get away with.

He's far from the only one, but your point stands.

I shouldn't have covered the entire forum with the same blanket.

Frazod
01-28-2009, 06:42 PM
Untrue. A single person pushes farhter and farther to see what HE can get away with.

To Shitsprayer's credit, he hasn't posted anything similar since the ban expired (at least not that I've seen; I certainly don't stalk him).

Could it be that he learned his lesson, and might become a better poster, and that everything functioned exactly as Kyle intended it to? :hmmm:

dirk digler
01-28-2009, 06:59 PM
It's OK though because the profit police paid their $10 to the state of Montana for their official cardboard badges.

Hey I see you got your official cardboard badge.

burt
01-28-2009, 07:05 PM
I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!!!!!!

Dick Bull
01-28-2009, 07:08 PM
Hey I see you got your official cardboard badge.

maybe now he'll quit bitching about it

He's one of the hall monitors now.