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Chiefnj2
01-28-2009, 11:38 AM
This is GBNReports top ranked prospects (not a mock). KC picks 3, 34, 67, 94.

I'd take Stafford (QB), Mack (C), English (DE) and Boone (RT).

1 *Andre Smith OT 6-5, 340 Alabama
2 *Michael Crabtree WR 6-2, 240 Texas Tech
3 *Matthew Stafford QB 6-3, 237 Georgia
4 Eugene Monroe OT 6-5, 315 Virginia
5 Aaron Curry LB 6-2, 240 Wake Forest
6 Malcolm Jenkins CB 6-0, 180 Ohio State
7 Michael Oher OT 6-5, 320 Mississippi
8 B.J. Raji DT 6-2, 325 Boston College
9 *Chris Wells RB 6-0, 240 Ohio State (X)
10 Brian Orakpo DE 6-4, 265 Texas
11 *Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri
12 *Everette Bown DE 6-3, 250 Florida State
13 Jason Smith OT 6-4, 300 Baylor
14 *Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
15 *Knowshon Moreno RB 5-10, 207 Georgia
16 Alphonso Smith CB 5-9, 195 Wake Forest
17 James Laurinaitis LB 6-2, 245 Ohio State
18 *Mark Sanchez QB 6-3, 225 Southern California
19 Rey Maualaga LB 6-2, 250 Southern California
20 Brian Cushing LB 6-3, 240 Southern California
21 *D.J. Moore CB 5-10, 182 Vanderbilt
22 *Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
23 *LeSean McCoy RB 5-10, 210 Pittsburgh
24 *Vontae Davis CB 6-0, 205 Illinois
25 Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech
26 *Eben Britton OT 6-5, 310 Arizona
27 Peria Jerry DT 6-2, 290 Mississippi
28 Brandon Pettigrew TE 6-5, 260 Oklahoma State
29 Duke Robinson OG 6-5, 335 Oklahoma
30 Tyson Jackson DE 6-5, 290 LSU
31 Clint Sintim LB 6-2, 255 Virginia
32 *Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
33 *Sean Smith CB 6-2, 215 Utah
34 Clay Matthews LB 6-4, 240 Southern Califronia
35 Max Unger OC 6-5, 305 Oregon
36 Will Moore FS 6-0, 230 Missouri (X)
37 *Sen'Derrick Marks DT 6-1, 290 Auburn
38 *Josh Freeman QB 6-5, 230 Kansas State
39 Alex Mack OC 6-4, 315 California
40 *Hakeem Nicks WR 6-0, 210 North Carolina
41 Javon Ringer RB 5-9, 200 Michigan State (X)
42 Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri
43 *Paul Kruger DE 6-4, 265 Utah
44 Marcus Freeman LB 6-1, 245 Ohio State
45 *Shonn Greene RB 5-10, 235 Iowa
46 Bruce Johnson CB 5-10, 175 Miami
47 Rashad Johnson FS 6-0, 190 Alabama
48 Nic Harris LB 6-2, 230 Oklahoma (SS)
49 Jamon Meredith OT 6-5, 310 South Carolina
50 *Kenny Britt WR 6-3, 205 Rutgers
51 Eric Wood OC 6-3, 310 Louisville
52 Ziggy Hood DT 6-3, 295 Missouri
53 Tyrone McKenzie LB 6-2, 235 South Florida
54 Michael Hamlin DB 6-3, 210 Clemson
55 *Jerraud Powers CB 5-9, 190 Auburn
56 Fenuki Tupou OT 6-5, 330 Oregon
57 *Jared Cook TE 6-5, 242 South Carolina
58 Derrick Williams WR 6-0, 195 Penn State
59 Antoine Caldwell OC 6-3, 300 Alabama
60 Darius Butler CB 5-10, 182 UConn
61 *Ricky Jean-Francois DT 6-2, 285 LSU
62 Darry Beckwith LB 6-0, 230 LSU (X)
63 Patrick Chung FS 6-0, 210 Oregon
64 Coye Francies CB 6-1, 185 San Jose State
65 Dannell Ellerbe LB 6-0, 232 Georgia
66 *Maurice Evans DE 6-1, 270 Penn State (O)
67 Phil Loadholt OT 6-7, 340 Oklahoma
68 *Donald Brown RB 5-10, 210 UConn
69 Travis Beckum TE 6-4, 225 Wisconsin
70 Cody Brown LB 6-2, 245 UConn
71 James Davis RB 5-10, 210 Clemson
72 Terrence Taylor DT 6-1, 310 Michigan
73 Victor Harris CB 5-11, 192 Virginia Tech
74 Cornelius Ingram TE 6-4, 232 Florida
75 Louis Delmas FS 5-11, 195 Western Michigan
76 Jonathan Luigs OC 6-3, 315 Arkansas
77 Larry English DE 6-2, 255 Northern Illinois
78 Louis Murphy WR 6-0, 195 Florida
79 Derek Pegues DB 5-10, 195 Mississippi State
80 Trevor Canfield OG 6-5,305 UConn
81 Jeremiah Johnson RB 5-10, 200 Oregon
82 Keenan Lewis CB 6-1, 200 Oregon State
83 Jason Watkins OT 6-5, 310 Florida
84 Vance Walker DT 6-2, 295 Georgia Tech
85 Arian Foster RB 6-0, 215 Tennesee
86 Scott McKillop LB 6-1, 240 Pittsburgh
87 Shawn Nelson TE 6-5, 260 Southern Mississippi
88 Juaquin Iglesias WR 5-11, 205 Oklahoma
89 Anthony Parker OG 6-2, 305 Tennessee
90 *Gerald McRath LB 6-2, 220 Southern Mississippi
91 Mike Mickens CB 5-11, 170 Cincinnati (X)
92 Matt Shaughnessy DE 6-5, 255 Wisconsin
93 Anthony Heygood LB 6-1, 230 Purdue
94 Brian Robiskie WR 6-2, 205 Ohio State
95 Josh Mauga LB 6-2, 245 Nevada
96 Zack Follett LB 6-0, 240 California
97 Alex Magee DT 6-3, 295 Purdue
98 Ryan Palmer CB 5-9, 190 Texas
99 Ryan Purvis TE 6-4, 260 Boston College
100 Brandon Gibson WR 6-3, 205 Washington State
101 *Jairus Byrd DB 6-0, 205 Oregon (CB)
102 Alex Boone OT 6-7, 312 Ohio State
103 Pat White WR 6-0, 190 West Virginia (QB)
104 Fili Moala DT 6-3, 295 USC
105 *Asher Allen CB 5-10, 200 Georgia
106 A.Q. Shipley C 6-1, 290 Penn State
107 Rhett Bomar QB 6-2,225 Sam Houston State
108 *Greg Isdaner OG 6-4, 315 West Virginia
109 *P.J. Hill RB 5-10, 230 Wisconsin
110 Kraig Urbik OG 6-6, 335 Wisconsin
111 *Brandon Williams DE 6-4, 260 Texas Tech
112 *Jeremy Childs WR 5-11, 195 Boise State
113 William Beatty OT 6-5, 291 UConn
114 *Glenn Coffee RB 6-0, 200 Alabama
115 Andy Levitre OG 6-2, 325 Oregon State
116 Jonathan Casillas LB 6-0, 220 Wisconsin
117 Courtney Greene FS 6-1, 210 Rutgers
118 Aaron Kelly WR 6-4, 190 Clemson
119 Worrell Williams LB 6-0, 250 California
120 Bear Pascoe TE 6-4, 260 Fresno State
121 Chip Vaughn SS 6-2, 220 Wake Forest
122 *Captain Munnerlyn CB 5-9, 190 South Carolina
123 Herman Johnson OG 6-7, 375 LSU
124 Andrew Gardner OT 6-5, 300 Georgia Tech
125 Graham Harrell QB 6-2, 205 Texas Tech
126 Ian Johnson RB 5-10, 205 Boise State
127 Jasper Brinkley LB 6-2, 275 South Carolina
128 *James Casey TE 6-4, 235 Rice
129 Phillip Hunt DE 6-2, 260 Houston
130 Demetrius Byrd WR 6-1, 195 LSU
131 *Donald Washington CB 5-11, 195 Ohio State

milkman
01-28-2009, 11:45 AM
That's a fucked up list.

Based on that, and who I think might be available when we pick.

Sanchez
Mack
Topou
Shaughnessy

Pestilence
01-28-2009, 11:48 AM
That's a fucked up list.

Based on that, and who I think might be available when we pick.

Sanchez
Mack
Topou
Shaughnessy

Stafford
Clay Matthews Jr.
Topou
Shaughnessy

Grab Jason Brown in FA to play either RG or C. Whichever he plays....Niswanger plays the other.

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 11:50 AM
I'm assuming we have to select players ranked equal or below each pick.

1. Stafford
2. Paul Kruger
3. Jonathan Luigs
4. Zack Follett or Fili Moala

or

1. Stafford
2. Clay Matthews
3. Larry English/Jonathan Luigs
4. Herman Johnson/Brandon Williams

milkman
01-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Stafford
Clay Matthews Jr.
Topou
Shaughnessy

Grab Jason Brown in FA to play either RG or C. Whichever he plays....Niswanger plays the other.

I did the draft without consieration for free agency, but I could really live with this.

I like CM Jr. a lot, but using the draft only, I had to amke a choice between him and Mack.

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 11:58 AM
Stafford
Clay Matthews Jr.
Topou
Shaughnessy

Grab Jason Brown in FA to play either RG or C. Whichever he plays....Niswanger plays the other.

Topou is gone by #67 & Shaug is already gone by #94. :p

Pestilence
01-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Fine....then how about this. And I'm still going with Jason Brown in FA because IMO...he should be our #1 target.

1st round - Matt Stafford QB Georgia
2nd round - Clay Matthews Jr. OLB USC
3rd round - Larry English DE Northern Illinois
4th round - Alex Boone OT Ohio State

Which would leave our lines like this.

Albert/Waters/Brown/Niswanger/Boone

English/Tank/Dorsey/Hali

milkman
01-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Fine....then how about this. And I'm still going with Jason Brown in FA because IMO...he should be our #1 target.

1st round - Matt Stafford QB Georgia
2nd round - Clay Matthews Jr. OLB USC
3rd round - Larry English DE Northern Illinois
4th round - Alex Boone OT Ohio State

Which would leave our lines like this.

Albert/Waters/Brown/Niswanger/Boone

English/Tank/Dorsey/Hali

I really don't like Boone.

I'd rather take Craig UrBick and put Taylor at RT.

Chiefnj2
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
I really don't like Boone.

I'd rather take Craig UrBick and put Taylor at RT.

I thought Boone did an excellent job against Orakpo in the bowl game.

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I thought Boone did an excellent job against Orakpo in the bowl game.

That says more about Orakpo than Boone, IMO.

I'd rather take Herman Johnson to play G than Boone at T.

milkman
01-28-2009, 12:26 PM
I thought Boone did an excellent job against Orakpo in the bowl game.

I just don't think he's a good fit at RT.

I also don't see him as LT, and even if I did, I don't see him, or anyone in the draft, displacing Albert.

Chiefnj2
01-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I just don't think he's a good fit at RT.

I also don't see him as LT, and even if I did, I don't see him, or anyone in the draft, displacing Albert.

Monroe could displace Albert, but there's no need for it.

Why wouldn't you like Boone at RT?

Pestilence
01-28-2009, 12:37 PM
Honestly......Johnson would be fine with me in the 4th round. The question then is....who is our RT?

milkman
01-28-2009, 12:54 PM
Monroe could displace Albert, but there's no need for it.

Why wouldn't you like Boone at RT?

I just don't like his athletic ability, or lack thereof.

Even at RT you want a guy that can move in space, and he just looks clumsy and plodding, for lack of a better description, to me.

Tribal Warfare
01-28-2009, 12:55 PM
1) Stafford

2) Mack

3) Larry English

4) Herman Johnson

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 01:08 PM
1) Stafford

2) Mack

3) Larry English

4) Herman Johnson

Johnson at guard? I think he'll need to lose some weight to be effective in the NFL.

Frankie
01-28-2009, 01:22 PM
120 Bear Pascoe TE 6-4, 260 Fresno State

:D
Does Chicago need a TE?

Tribal Warfare
01-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Johnson at guard? I think he'll need to lose some weight to be effective in the NFL.



The kid is naturally that big, he isn't like Aaron Gibson. After watching "House" in the Senior Bowl, he's quick enough to play RT also

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 01:36 PM
The kid is naturally that big, he isn't like Aaron Gibson. After watching "House" in the Senior Bowl, he's quick enough to play RT also

He manhandled guys in the run game. I guess my concern would be the passing game.

Either way, I think he'd be a fine choice in the 4th. Even better in the 5th.

mylittlepony
01-28-2009, 01:41 PM
1. Stafford
2. Mack
3. Loadholt
4. (depending the LJ situation I would want a RB but everyone left are anorectic) so Im left with LBs if KC remain 4-3 Jonathan Casillas if KC goes 3-4 Worrell Williams

Main point is: "protect your investment". This is the franchise player and he is going up against: PHI, NYG, DAL, PIT, BAL next year. Loadholt has the size to be a very good RT, and OU dominated the line of scrimage. He will be up against great passrushers on the Right side aswell. His feet arnt super but should be good enough to play RT. Mack needs to open up some holes, the run game needs to get going or Stafford is going to have to throw the ball an aweful lot. Every time they drop back with a 3rd and long its an accident waiting to happen. Keep the DEs in check by gaining some yards on 1st and 2nd down.

With the death schedule next year the defence wont compete, KC could go with ballance but I would rather play it safe and make sure Stafford gets the best possible situation coming into the pros. This way he will be poised to succed, but wont win a whole lot of ballgames. There are unfortunatly only 4-5 winable games next year.

the Talking Can
01-28-2009, 01:52 PM
if just went by the numbers it wouldn't be the worst draft...just speaking hypothetically, no one hyperventilate...

Stafford
Mathews
Loadholt
Robiskie

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 01:55 PM
1. Stafford
2. Mack
3. Loadholt
4. (depending the LJ situation I would want a RB but everyone left are anorectic) so Im left with LBs if KC remain 4-3 Jonathan Casillas if KC goes 3-4 Worrell Williams

Main point is: "protect your investment". This is the franchise player and he is going up against: PHI, NYG, DAL, PIT, BAL next year. Loadholt has the size to be a very good RT, and OU dominated the line of scrimage. He will be up against great passrushers on the Right side aswell. His feet arnt super but should be good enough to play RT. Mack needs to open up some holes, the run game needs to get going or Stafford is going to have to throw the ball an aweful lot. Every time they drop back with a 3rd and long its an accident waiting to happen. Keep the DEs in check by gaining some yards on 1st and 2nd down.

With the death schedule next year the defence wont compete, KC could go with ballance but I would rather play it safe and make sure Stafford gets the best possible situation coming into the pros. This way he will be poised to succed, but wont win a whole lot of ballgames. There are unfortunatly only 4-5 winable games next year.

Loadholt's lucky to be a guard in the NFL. He was terrible at the Senior Bowl.

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 01:57 PM
if just went by the numbers it wouldn't be the worst draft...just speaking hypothetically, no one hyperventilate...

Stafford
Mathews
Loadholt
Robiskie

Again, going strictly by the numbers - I like your list, but would replace Loadholt with Shaughnessy.

FWIW, that list is complete shite.

the Talking Can
01-28-2009, 02:15 PM
what kind of LB is Mathews?

dude kind of came out of nowhere...what system is best for him?

OnTheWarpath58
01-28-2009, 02:22 PM
what kind of LB is Mathews?

dude kind of came out of nowhere...what system is best for him?

Here's Scott Wright's report:

http://i40.tinypic.com/29xewex.jpg

the Talking Can
01-28-2009, 02:26 PM
Here's Scott Wright's report:



thanks...probably better in a 3-4 based on DE experience...interesting call...

DrRyan
01-28-2009, 04:15 PM
Going a little different route would not be so bad.

#3 Stafford
#34 Kruger
#67 Luigs
#94 Mauga or Follet

Kruger could be switched for Mack and Luigs for not sure who. Not seeing a DE I like in the 67 range.

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 04:20 PM
Going a little different route would not be so bad.

#3 Stafford
#34 Kruger
#67 Luigs
#94 Mauga or Follet

Kruger could be switched for Mack and Luigs for not sure who. Not seeing a DE I like in the 67 range.

copycat :p

Tribal Warfare
01-28-2009, 04:21 PM
Here's Scott Wright's report:

http://i40.tinypic.com/29xewex.jpg

He's Uncle is Bruce Mathews, that's hardcore bloodlines there

DrRyan
01-28-2009, 04:27 PM
copycat :p

Did I? I did not see your post when I was posting.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 05:12 PM
#3 Matt Stafford, QB Georgia
#34 Alex Mack, C California
#67 James Davis, RB Clemson
#98 Kraig Urbik, G Wisconsin

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 05:51 PM
#3 Matt Stafford, QB Georgia
#34 Alex Mack, C California
#67 James Davis, RB Clemson
#98 Kraig Urbik, G Wisconsin

Urbik at guard or tackle?

That's one big guard!

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 05:57 PM
Urbik at guard or tackle?

That's one big guard!

He is the same size as Lutui of the Cardinals and Brian Waters. I like the fact that he has played right guard, so no switching positions. Him, Mack, and Albert would be a nice anchor for the next decade and keep our franchise in one piece.

Pestilence
01-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Urbik at guard or tackle?

That's one big guard!

Can Urbik play tackle?

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 06:05 PM
He is the same size as Lutui of the Cardinals and Brian Waters. I like the fact that he has played right guard, so no switching positions. Him, Mack, and Albert would be a nice anchor for the next decade and keep our franchise in one piece.

Waters is 6'3, Lutui's 6'4. That dude is 6'6.

His body screams right tackle. Otherwise, I don't know anything about him.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 06:12 PM
He has played right tackle for Wisconsin in the past. But they moved him back to guard each time.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 06:14 PM
He has played right tackle for Wisconsin in the past. But they moved him back to guard each time.

That's kind of scary. Wisconsin's not exactly a dynamic offense, either.

I like your other choices but I'm not sold on round four. That seems like a reach. He sounds like a sixth rounder, tops.

Kinda like Barry Richardson.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 06:41 PM
That's kind of scary. Wisconsin's not exactly a dynamic offense, either.

I like your other choices but I'm not sold on round four. That seems like a reach. He sounds like a sixth rounder, tops.

Kinda like Barry Richardson.

I looked into more. The reason he moved to right tackle was bc of injuries and to get the best lineman on the field. Found an article where he played guard bc he was the best athlete on the Wisconsin OL and needed him to pull.

bdeg
01-28-2009, 06:43 PM
Stafford
Matthews
Larry English
Urbik
edit: This draft is under the assumption of moving to a 3-4 defense.

This would leave us with something like this:
Dorsey Tank/FA Turk
English DJ Harris/FA Matthews
And the secondary as before.

Any centers going to be available in fa? I like Taylor for RT, BRich was progressing quickly too.
Could pick up decent C, NT, or ILB in later rounds too.

bdeg
01-28-2009, 06:46 PM
BTW Steve Hutchinson is 6'5. And so is Faneca.

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 08:03 PM
I looked into more. The reason he moved to right tackle was bc of injuries and to get the best lineman on the field. Found an article where he played guard bc he was the best athlete on the Wisconsin OL and needed him to pull.

Oh, that's good info! If a guy that size is pulling, I guess the athletic issue is out the window.

ChiefsCountry
01-28-2009, 09:46 PM
Oh, that's good info! If a guy that size is pulling, I guess the athletic issue is out the window.

I'll I know is if the Chiefs did my draft, a major meltdown would occur on this board. QB, no defense, and a Running Back.

Fat Elvis
01-28-2009, 10:24 PM
3. Crabtree WR
34. Mack OC
67. Loadholt OT(r)
94. Harrell QB (or 5th even)

DaKCMan AP
01-28-2009, 10:26 PM
3. Crabtree WR
34. Mack OC
67. Loadholt OT(r)
94. Harrell QB (or 5th even)

Less Big XII, more cowbell.

http://seoblog.intrapromote.com/more_cowbell.jpg

Frosty
01-28-2009, 10:29 PM
3. Crabtree WR
34. Mack OC
67. Loadholt OT(r)
94. Harrell QB (or 5th even)

Harrell would be an absolute waste of a draft pick in any round. :shake:

DaneMcCloud
01-28-2009, 10:57 PM
I'll I know is if the Chiefs did my draft, a major meltdown would occur on this board. QB, no defense, and a Running Back.

Fuck 'em.

I'd be stoked!

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2009, 11:03 PM
I'll I know is if the Chiefs did my draft, a major meltdown would occur on this board. QB, no defense, and a Running Back.

95% of people on this board don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2009, 11:04 PM
3. Crabtree WR
34. Mack OC
67. Loadholt OT(r)
94. Harrell QB (or 5th even)

kill yourself.

ChiefsCountry
01-29-2009, 01:31 AM
Dane, here is those articles on Urbik:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/38199069.html
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=264200&ntpid=1

Nightfyre
01-29-2009, 01:36 AM
I'm going to repost this in this thread, just for the sake of getting actual feedback. Granted, I am not a horribly knowledgeable draft guru or anything, but its fun to kick this stuff around.

Mmm. I like this draft.
Trade down to JAX at 8. Should be ~800 points, figure a 2nd this year and a 2nd next.

Rd. 1 Pick 8: Sanchez, SC
Rd. 2 Pick 3: Cushing, SC
Rd. 2 Pick 8: Heyward-Bey, Maryland
Rd. 3: Evans, Penn State
Rd. 4: Urbik, Wisconsin


Throw in a two-year deal to Warner to start for a year and groom Sanchez and signing Stacey Andrews and I think you've gone a long way towards filling the holes on this team.

Chiefs=Good
01-29-2009, 02:20 AM
Wait does Crabtree actually weigh 240???

Chiefnj2
01-29-2009, 02:47 PM
Wait does Crabtree actually weigh 240???

Probably not. Texas Tech lists him as 214.

Micjones
01-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Matthew Stafford
Alex Mack
Phil Loadholt
Brandon Gibson

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 03:23 PM
Matthew Stafford
Alex Mack
Phil Loadholt
Brandon Gibson

Loadholt sucks

OnTheWarpath58
01-29-2009, 03:28 PM
Loadholt sucks

I'm starting to think that Loadholt is the Jordy Nelson of 2009.

No one here would be talking about him if he played outside the B12.

milkman
01-29-2009, 06:30 PM
Oh, that's good info! If a guy that size is pulling, I guess the athletic issue is out the window.

I watched a lot of Urbik over the course of the season, and I think the guy is going to be an absolute beast at guard in the NFL.

I've been pimping him since the Fresno St game at the start of the season.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 06:31 PM
I watched a lot of Urbik over the course of the season, and I think the guy is going to be an absolute beast at guard in the NFL.

I've been pimping him since the Fresno St game at the start of the season.

Excellent. Let's hope he falls to the Chiefs.

ChiefsCountry
01-29-2009, 06:38 PM
milk's the OL expert, so I feel better about that pick.

milkman
01-29-2009, 06:50 PM
Looking at the potential free agents, unless we were to make a couple of big name splashes with guys like Lee Suggs and Bart Scott, the list of potential defensive free agents is rather pedestrian.

But even given that, if we could draft Stafford/Sanchez, Mack, Urbik and Fenuki Topou with our first four picks, we'd go a long way to setting up and offense that could compete for the next 10 years.

Pestilence
01-29-2009, 06:53 PM
Looking at the potential free agents, unless we were to make a couple of big name splashes with guys like Lee Suggs and Bart Scott, the list of potential defensive free agents is rather pedestrian.

But even given that, if we could draft Stafford/Sanchez, Mack, Urbik and Fenuki Topou with our first four picks, we'd go a long way to setting up and offense that could compete for the next 10 years.

What about grabbing Jason Brown in FA and using one of those picks on a DE.

DaneMcCloud
01-29-2009, 06:53 PM
What about grabbing Jason Brown in FA and using one of those picks on a DE.

If you can get him, then it would definitely be one less need in the draft.

milkman
01-29-2009, 06:55 PM
What about grabbing Jason Brown in FA and using one of those picks on a DE.

I considered him, but I heard an interview a couple of days agao, and he seems like a guy that wants to stay put.

Pestilence
01-29-2009, 06:58 PM
I considered him, but I heard an interview a couple of days agao, and he seems like a guy that wants to stay put.

Yeah I have a feeling that they'll be really working hard on signing Suggs and Brown. They'll let Scott and Lewis go unless they agree to stay cheap.

DrRyan
01-29-2009, 08:04 PM
I agree. I heard Suggs in an interview the other day as well, he feels that all three LBs should give the Ravens a "home town" discount and all re-sign in Baltimore.

Pestilence
01-30-2009, 12:00 PM
1. Stafford
2. Alex Mack
3. Larry English
4. Kraig Urbik

Sam Hall
01-30-2009, 12:25 PM
It would be nice if Eric Wood fell into the third round.

Mark Sanchez
Clint Sintim
Eric Wood
Brandon Gibson

Pestilence
01-30-2009, 12:32 PM
It would be nice if Eric Wood fell into the third round.

Mark Sanchez
Clint Sintim
Eric Wood
Brandon Gibson

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to go by that list in the OP. LMAO

Sam Hall
01-30-2009, 12:35 PM
I'm pretty sure you're supposed to go by that list in the OP. LMAO

Luigs is more likely, but you have to like the idea of Eric Wood falling to us.

Mr. Laz
01-30-2009, 03:40 PM
anyone else think that Loadholt is gonna drop like a rock

his sluggish feet are gonna kill him during the workouts


i think Robiskie falls too ..... hopefully right to us :D

Chiefnj2
01-31-2009, 11:55 AM
anyone else think that Loadholt is gonna drop like a rock

his sluggish feet are gonna kill him during the workouts


i think Robiskie falls too ..... hopefully right to us :D

I read that in Senior Bowl practices Robiskie would get alligator arms if he didn't know where defenders were. If he had a defender on him and knew where the hit was coming from he was good. If he wasn't sure where the defender was he seemed preoccupied with it.

milkman
01-31-2009, 12:00 PM
anyone else think that Loadholt is gonna drop like a rock

his sluggish feet are gonna kill him during the workouts


i think Robiskie falls too ..... hopefully right to us :D

Yeah, I think Loadholt as the offseason advances toward the draft, Loadholt is going to continue to fall.

The cone drills in the combine are really going to kill his stock, if he participates.

DaKCMan AP
01-31-2009, 12:32 PM
anyone else think that Loadholt is gonna drop like a rock

his sluggish feet are gonna kill him during the workouts


i think Robiskie falls too ..... hopefully right to us :D

A bunch of my friends are douchebag OSU fans so I've seen a lot of Robiskie. He drops the ball - often. He has good size, but not blazing speed.

sfchief
02-02-2009, 10:43 AM
3 *Matthew Stafford QB 6-3, 237 Georgia
34 Max Unger OC 6-5, 305 Oregon(move to RG)
67 Phil Loadholt OT 6-7, 340 Oklahoma (RT)
94 *Gerald McRath LB 6-2, 220 Southern Mississippi

bdeg
02-02-2009, 01:18 PM
I could also go with:
Stafford
Eric Wood(guy dominated BJ Raji in the senior bowl)(previously Clay Matthews)
Larry English
Urbik/Herman Johnson

bdeg
02-02-2009, 01:48 PM
Think about this: Let's say we were to package our 2nd rounder along with LJ and TG, maybe Thigpen. Tony is worth somewhere between a 2nd and 3rd, LJ around a 4th, but more to old teams. I believe the bills are interested in Tony, and if we were to trade him along with our 2nd, plus additional picks, I believe we could move back into the first with the Bills#11 pick. Their pick has a value of 1250 points. Tony would be around 400(very low 2nd), and our pick is 560. To make up the remaining 290, Thigpen may be worth a 3rd to the Jets(185) or STL(260), really lots of options if you want to deal him. I think Brodie will be a fine backup and Stafford will start. If not, LJ could be worth a 3rd to several teams, Seattle being the highest pick(250). So there are options but it would involve some work. I don't think Pioli is lazy.

Let's say we move to a 3-4.
1-Stafford
1-11-Everette Brown
3-Larry English
4-Herman Johnson

Turk Tank/upgrade Dorsey
English DJ Harris/upgrade Everette Brown

That is a solid young front 7 with lots of promising talent. I believe the secondary is in good shape; this isn't a 1-year fix, but IMO only 2 positions still need to be upgraded(on D, 3 on O). Turk would be a perfect 3-4 DE.

Infidel Goat
02-02-2009, 04:01 PM
And now I will proceed to tick off the "draft a QB first" AND "fix the defense" proponents:

1) Eugene Monroe, OT
2) Alex Mack, C
3) Louis Murphy, WR
4) Rhett Bomar, QB

I'm assuming that Pioli will, in fact, draft a QB every year. He can spend some $ on defensive free agents.

o:-)

DaneMcCloud
02-02-2009, 10:56 PM
And now I will proceed to tick off the "draft a QB first" AND "fix the defense" proponents:

1) Eugene Monroe, OT
2) Alex Mack, C
3) Louis Murphy, WR
4) Rhett Bomar, QB

I'm assuming that Pioli will, in fact, draft a QB every year. He can spend some $ on defensive free agents.

o:-)

I will state unequivocally that if Scott Pioli's draft is anything like yours, he is destined to be a complete failure in Kansas City.

If he wraps up $75 million in two left tackles, he should be fired immediately and never work in the NFL ever again.

And ever though Bomar is on that list, he's a UDFA.

DaneMcCloud
02-02-2009, 10:59 PM
1) Matthew Stafford
2) Max Unger
3) Kraig Urbick
4) Brandon Williams

I like Stafford better than Sanchez (though I'd take Sanchez in a heartbeat), Unger better than Mack because he has the size and athleticism to play center, right guard and even right tackle. Urbick looks like a reach at this point in time but I have a feeling that his Combine will move him up the charts a little bit.

Williams appears to have upside and the Chiefs are in desperate need of a pass rushing end.

Pestilence
02-02-2009, 11:23 PM
Since we're going by this list....

1st. Matthew Stafford
2nd. Paul Kruger
3rd. Jonathan Luigs
4th. Kraig Urbick

Fat Elvis
02-03-2009, 09:32 AM
After viewing a Stafford highlight vid where he made a throw that I really can't quite comprehend (think 45 yards on a rope) I am going to modify my list:

1) Stafford
2) Duke Robinson (hey, we can dream...)
3) Phil Loadholt (RT)
4) Urbik

Could you imagine a line of Albert, Robinson, Waters, Urbik and Loadholt? We'd be set for years....

DaKCMan AP
02-03-2009, 09:33 AM
After viewing a Stafford highlight vid where he made a throw that I really can't quite comprehend (think 45 yards on a rope) I am going to modify my list:

1) Stafford
2) Duke Robinson (hey, we can dream...)
3) Phil Loadholt (RT)
4) Urbik

Could you imagine a line of Albert, Robinson, Waters, Urbik and Loadholt? We'd be set for years....

ROFL Robinson in the 2nd and Loadholt in the 3rd.. that's rich.