When do you suppose the dekulakization will start?

[SHTSPRAYER]

To Stalin, the burgeoning national revival movement and continuing loss of Soviet influence in the Ukraine was completely unacceptable. To crush the people's free spirit, he began to employ the same methods he had successfully used within the Soviet Union. Thus, beginning in 1929, over 5,000 Ukrainian scholars, scientists, cultural and religious leaders were arrested after being falsely accused of plotting an armed revolt. Those arrested were either shot without a trial or deported to prison camps in remote areas of Russia.

Stalin also imposed the Soviet system of land management known as collectivization. This resulted in the seizure of all privately owned farmlands and livestock, in a country where 80 percent of the people were traditional village farmers. Among those farmers, were a class of people called Kulaks by the Communists. They were formerly wealthy farmers that had owned 24 or more acres, or had employed farm workers. Stalin believed any future insurrection would be led by the Kulaks, thus he proclaimed a policy aimed at "liquidating the Kulaks as a class."

Declared "enemies of the people," the Kulaks were left homeless and without a single possession as everything was taken from them, even their pots and pans. It was also forbidden by law for anyone to aid dispossessed Kulak families. Some researchers estimate that ten million persons were thrown out of their homes, put on railroad box cars and deported to "special settlements" in the wilderness of Siberia during this era, with up to a third of them perishing amid the frigid living conditions. Men and older boys, along with childless women and unmarried girls, also became slave-workers in Soviet-run mines and big industrial projects.

Back in the Ukraine, once-proud village farmers were by now reduced to the level of rural factory workers on large collective farms. Anyone refusing to participate in the compulsory collectivization system was simply denounced as a Kulak and deported.

A propaganda campaign was started utilizing eager young Communist activists who spread out among the country folk attempting to shore up the people's support for the Soviet regime. However, their attempts failed. Despite the propaganda, ongoing coercion and threats, the people continued to resist through acts of rebellion and outright sabotage. They burned their own homes rather than surrender them. They took back their property, tools and farm animals from the collectives, harassed and even assassinated local Soviet authorities. This ultimately put them in direct conflict with the power and authority of Joseph Stalin.



http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

[gblowfish]

Um, do you ever post any football stuff, or is all your time spent working for the John Birch Society?

Just curious as to why you hang out here...?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Um, do you ever post any football stuff, or is all your time spent working for the John Birch Society?

Just curious as to why you hang out here...?

I saw this message:


This forum is fast and furious with all variety of topics being discussed. Newbies welcomed. No lurking allowed. If you enjoy reading, don't be shy - please jump in and post.

[Brock]

I'm assuming you're not really this paranoid offline.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I'm assuming you're not really this paranoid offline.


You don't think this is where we are heading?

[Brock]

You don't think this is where we are heading?

No. Not at all. It's batshit crazy to even think so, as crazy as all of the talk of Bush voiding the bill of rights that went on for 8 years.

[SHTSPRAYER]

No. Not at all. It's batshit crazy to even think so, as crazy as all of the talk of Bush voiding the bill of rights that went on for 8 years.

Is eminant domain "Batshit crazy"?

[Calcountry]

I saw this message:


This forum is fast and furious with all variety of topics being discussed. Newbies welcomed. No lurking allowed. If you enjoy reading, don't be shy - please jump in and post.It is also community driven, with the main and unifying theme being the love of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[SHTSPRAYER]

It is also community driven, with the main and unifying theme being the love of the Kansas City Chiefs.

But I like to talk politics. And I see alot of people who post here who never post in the football forum. Besides, the season is over. If you like I can pretend to be a Chiefs fan.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I'm gonna contribute to the site, I just have to wait until tomorrow to find out if I am a budget cut for the upcoming year. If I get laid off, I'll disapear for sure.

[Brock]

Is eminant domain "Batshit crazy"?

Eminent domain has its roots in the very beginnings of this country.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Eminent domain has its roots in the very beginnings of this country.


Well yeah, that's how we took all the land from the Indians.

[Brock]

Well yeah, that's how we took all the land from the Indians.

Interestingly, it's being applied today in support of these corporations you're so concerned about.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Interestingly, it's being applied today in support of these corporations you're so concerned about.

Fair point. But it is applied by the government.

So who is more evil?

http://www.moonbattery.com/the_myth.gif

[Brock]

Fair point. But it is applied by the government.

So who is more evil?

http://www.moonbattery.com/the_myth.gif

Right, the government that is bought and paid for by corporations.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Right, the government that is bought and paid for by corporations.

Fair point, but what do we do now? How do we make things right?

[Calcountry]

I'm gonna contribute to the site, I just have to wait until tomorrow to find out if I am a budget cut for the upcoming year. If I get laid off, I'll disapear for sure.I hope you land on your feet. It sure is a good thing that Bush is gone, you might be able to get a real, green job now. ;)

[vailpass]

Um, do you ever post any football stuff, or is all your time spent working for the (insert your political views here)
Just curious as to why you hang out here...?

Are you talking to Shtsprayer or Jaz? :)

[Calcountry]

Right, the government that is bought and paid for by corporations.No doubt. Do you think Fixed news would ever bad mouth Pfizer or Astrozetica(sp)?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I hope you land on your feet. It sure is a good thing that Bush is gone, you might be able to get a real, green job now. ;)


Well, I can drive a truck, so I will always find work. I was really hoping to stay here until my daughter graduates HS (in June).

I still want to move down south, just not now.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I hope you land on your feet. It sure is a good thing that Bush is gone, you might be able to get a real, green job now. ;)


Green jobs. :rolleyes: Anybody who believes that crock o' shit is an imbecile.

Besides, you heard Robert Reich, no white males need apply. ;)

[Taco John]

Fair point, but what do we do now? How do we make things right?



I know! I know!

We could vote for McCain in presidential elections. I mean, what better way to fight socialism than to be a red ass, liberal hating machine who votes for socialists!?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I know! I know!

We could vote for McCain in presidential elections. I mean, what better way to fight socialism than to be a red ass, liberal hating machine who votes for socialists!?


I didn't vote for McCain. I think the defining moment of his campaign was when the guy asked him "when are you going to start representing us?" and he just stood there with that I just smelled sh*t look on his face.

F him and F the republican party, too.

So seriously? How do we fix the country?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So seriously? How do we fix the country?

Start small. Don't parrot the idiotic ramblings of psychotic cunts.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Start small. Don't parrot the idiotic ramblings of psychotic ****s.

Can you narrow it down a bit more than that?

[Laz]

is ironic the word i'm looking for :hmmm:

[patteeu]

I know! I know!

We could vote for McCain in presidential elections. I mean, what better way to fight socialism than to be a red ass, liberal hating machine who votes for socialists!?

Boy, I've seen sore losers before, but when your guy gets stomped 72.5% to 1.6% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008) it's kind of pathetic when you keep going on and on about what might have been. Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.

[patteeu]

is ironic the word i'm looking for :hmmm:

I don't think so. Maybe you're looking for "chronic".

[Taco John]

Boy, I've seen sore losers before, but when your guy gets stomped 72.5% to 1.6% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008) it's kind of pathetic when you keep going on and on about what might have been. Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.


I know it's a sore subject with you, because you're one of the ones who got suckered by the NY Times set to feel forced to voting for McCain. But I don't intend to stop drilling on the point. This country's drift into socialism is never going to get fixed if people like you are continuously duped by the media into voting for socialists who call themselves Republicans.

And I told you that the Republicans would need the Ron Paul constituency to win an election, and you laughed and called us irrelevant. Meanwhile, we're in an economic mess that ONLY Ron Paul seems to have an answer for that doesn't include spending massive amounts of money and inflating the dollar.

[J Diddy]

Boy, I've seen sore losers before, but when your guy gets stomped 72.5% to 1.6% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008) it's kind of pathetic when you keep going on and on about what might have been. Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.


It's humorous that you're talking about him going on and on.

[Taco John]

So seriously? How do we fix the country?


I don't have an answer for that anymore. My answer a year ago would have been to get behind Ron Paul. But it seemed that modern liberaliized republicans were more interested in pointless wars than getting our house in order back home. The party ignored what the American people were telling them, and decided that they'd rather try to win the wars abroad while losing the war at home.

Well, they got their wish. The war at home is lost. How do we fix the country? The answer is we don't get to. To the winners go the spoils. Our chance has passed. Most people don't even know what actual "Republicanism" is - especially modern republicans. Most republicans today are nothing more than religious federalists who believe that government should mandate to preserve their way of life. If you want to fix the country, the first step is fixing the republican party.

[Taco John]

Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.


I didn't end up with a candidate like McCain. I backed the best candidate. I backed the most conservative candidate. I backed the candidate whose brand of Republicanism is based on the actual root of the word: Republic.

You backed the socialist Republican who was liberal enough to get the nod of the major media.

[Amnorix]

My loony liberal calendar has it set for this May. There's all this crap at the bottom about "subject to change without prior notice" and stuff though. Damn lawyers.

[Taco John]

My loony liberal calendar has it set for this May. There's all this crap at the bottom about "subject to change without prior notice" and stuff though. Damn lawyers.


I pack a pillow with me wherever I go now just in case I hit a check point and am forced into a box car. The comfort of a pillow might make all the difference in my ride to whatever workers camp I get sent to.

[billay]

Boy, I've seen sore losers before, but when your guy gets stomped 72.5% to 1.6% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008) it's kind of pathetic when you keep going on and on about what might have been. Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.

LOL Yea John McCain did great didn't he? Losing Indiana to a Democrat! I like how you neo-cons call Obama a socailist when there was only a 4% difference between the two on income tax. John McCain also wanted to nationalize morgages AND he voted for the bailout LOL

[Calcountry]

LOL Yea John McCain did great didn't he? Losing Indiana to a Democrat! I like how you neo-cons call Obama a socailist when there was only a 4% difference between the two on income tax. John McCain also wanted to nationalize morgages AND he voted for the bailout LOLI am glad McCain lost.

He has been sucking the marrow out of conservatives bones for decades now.

[Calcountry]

I know! I know!

We could vote for McCain in presidential elections. I mean, what better way to fight socialism than to be a red ass, liberal hating machine who votes for socialists!?Quit race baiting.

[Calcountry]

Start small. Don't parrot the idiotic ramblings of psychotic ****s.Where have you been, I thought you hung yourself.

Too bad I was wrong.

[Calcountry]

I know it's a sore subject with you, because you're one of the ones who got suckered by the NY Times set to feel forced to voting for McCain. But I don't intend to stop drilling on the point. This country's drift into socialism is never going to get fixed if people like you are continuously duped by the media into voting for socialists who call themselves Republicans.

And I told you that the Republicans would need the Ron Paul constituency to win an election, and you laughed and called us irrelevant. Meanwhile, we're in an economic mess that ONLY Ron Paul seems to have an answer for that doesn't include spending massive amounts of money and inflating the dollar.What was that answer? The fool couldn't articulate that in a credible and concise fashion.

Isolationism doesn't work. It didn't work in WWI, WWII, and it sure as hell won't work now, so that pretty much shot his PATHETIC candidacy in the ass.

[patteeu]

And I told you that the Republicans would need the Ron Paul constituency to win an election, and you laughed and called us irrelevant. Meanwhile, we're in an economic mess that ONLY Ron Paul seems to have an answer for that doesn't include spending massive amounts of money and inflating the dollar.

You were also the guy who told us that Ron Paul was going to win the election (after you got off your Obama kick, that is). And how did that work out for you and the rest of the 1.6%? Ron Paul's foreign policy message is so toxic that he wouldn't have even been able to win in the midst of the current financial crisis despite having been one of the few sounding the alarm for quite a while now.

[Adept Havelock]

My loony liberal calendar has it set for this May. There's all this crap at the bottom about "subject to change without prior notice" and stuff though. Damn lawyers.

LMAO

It's been moved up, and we're starting with shts prayer. Get in the f***ing boxcar.

Maybe shts prayer will get a chance to experience one of those "sinking barge" executions Stalin loved, that he was pining for the other day.

[SHTSPRAYER]

LMAO

It's been moved up, and we're starting with shts prayer. Get in the f***ing boxcar.

Maybe shts prayer will get a chance to experience one of those "sinking barge" executions Stalin loved, that he was pining for the other day.

But is it non-falsifiable?

:drool:

[Adept Havelock]

But is it non-falsifiable?

:drool:

Get in the f***ing boxcar, and we'll find out. Maybe they'll be nice and just take you for a little walk down the corridor at 2 Dzerzhinsky Square. Oh, right, you preferred the Barge option. :D

[SHTSPRAYER]

Get in the f***ing boxcar, and we'll find out. Maybe they'll be nice and just take you for a little walk down the corridor at 2 Dzerzhinsky Square. Oh, right, you preferred the Barge option. :D

Dzerzhinsky is your sick trip. Don't project it on me.

:p

[Adept Havelock]

Dzerzhinsky is your sick trip. Don't project it on me.

:p

You're the Chicken Little waxing nostalgic over sinking barge executions, a tradition of the early Soviets.

[Taco John]

You were also the guy who told us that Ron Paul was going to win the election (after you got off your Obama kick, that is). And how did that work out for you and the rest of the 1.6%?


It worked out great. The Republicans lost and are now having to face the reality that they're going to have to court the folks with principals and not just count on the dopes who will just vote for any old candidate the NY Times deems acceptable for them.

[patteeu]

It worked out great. The Republicans lost and are now having to face the reality that they're going to have to court the folks with principals and not just count on the dopes who will just vote for any old candidate the NY Times deems acceptable for them.

As much as I like Ron Paul's extremism on some issues, your path is a dead end. Voting 3rd party or supporting fringe candidates to punish the major party is fine. I've done it several times myself. But don't kid yourself into believing that there can ever be a successful candidate who you won't have to compromise your "principles" to support. The good news for you is that your short-lived support of Obama shows that you're not only willing to compromise on some of your principles, but that you're willing to abandon them completely.

[Taco John]

As much as I like Ron Paul's extremism on some issues, your path is a dead end. Voting 3rd party or supporting fringe candidates to punish the major party is fine. I've done it several times myself. But don't kid yourself into believing that there can ever be a successful candidate who you won't have to compromise your "principles" to support. The good news for you is that your short-lived support of Obama shows that you're not only willing to compromise on some of your principles, but that you're willing to abandon them completely.


Two months of support for Obama while Giuliani was looking to be the Republican front runner is hardly abandoning my principles completely. Even now, Obama's foriegn policy moves have made me more hopeful. I didn't know too terribly much about the guy at the time, and there was plenty of time to learn. At the end of the day, I still voted for the more conservative candidate, while you voted for the NY Times approved liberal 'can.

[patteeu]

Two months of support for Obama while Giuliani was looking to be the Republican front runner is hardly abandoning my principles completely. Even now, Obama's foriegn policy moves have made me more hopeful. I didn't know too terribly much about the guy at the time, and there was plenty of time to learn. At the end of the day, I still voted for the more conservative candidate, while you voted for the NY Times approved liberal 'can.

Obviously it wasn't your set of foreign policy principles that I had in mind when I pointed out that you were willing to abandon "some of your principles". No matter how little you knew about Obama at the time, you couldn't have possibly mistaken him for an economic libertarian or a free market conservative of any kind. And I know that I, for one, pointed this out to you, so ignorance can't be your excuse.

[Taco John]

Obviously it wasn't your set of foreign policy principles that I had in mind when I pointed out that you were willing to abandon "some of your principles". No matter how little you knew about Obama at the time, you couldn't have possibly mistaken him for an economic libertarian or a free market conservative of any kind. And I know that I, for one, pointed this out to you, so ignorance can't be your excuse.

And yet, at the end of the day, when I was asked to leave my mark, I abandoned nothing. But when you get right down to it, I wouldn't be abandoning my principles any less voting for Obama over McCain or even Giuliani. These are still big government liberal 'cans we're talking about here. I'm not going to get less spending under them - we saw that when they had control of all three branches. I'm not going to get privatized social security - they went running for cover without putting up so much as a fight. I'm not going to get any meaningful school reform. So what's the difference? It would have been a sell out of my principles whether I were to vote for either Obama or for McCain - and to a marginal degree between the two of them.

My support for Obama over Giuliani is a fun trivia point, but at the end of the day, between the two of us, only one of us voted for a socialist.

[BucEyedPea]

Boy, I've seen sore losers before, but when your guy gets stomped 72.5% to 1.6% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2008) it's kind of pathetic when you keep going on and on about what might have been. Next time, don't work so hard to strip that 1.6% away from someone who has a chance to win the nomination and we might not have to end up with a candidate like McCain.

Yeah, but Paul's economic ideas are being sought more and more. It's exciting.
McCain was clueless on economics and so are the rest in DC. They're scared. They're clueless. The battle is gonna be fought on campus...but it will be fought.

[patteeu]

Yeah, but Paul's economic ideas are being sought more and more. It's exciting.
McCain was clueless on economics and so are the rest in DC. They're scared. They're clueless. The battle is gonna be fought on campus...but it will be fought.

Unfortunately, it's looking a little like the battle of the the Alamo though. I guess the good news about that is that even though everyone dies, eventually the good guys prevail in the long run.