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raybec 4
01-30-2009, 09:15 AM
UFC 94 should be decent. GSP vs BJ Penn should be a very good fight. I will be rooting for Penn. I think if BJ can keep from getting gassed he could win. He's always had problems with his cardio at 170 though. Lyoto Machida vs Thiago Silva should be a great fight. I personally like the way Silva fights but Machida's manner and attitude so it will be a pick 'em for me.

Katipan
01-30-2009, 09:22 AM
I am so antsy in my pantsy for this fight.

I'll be embarassed to be a huge BJ Penn fan if he's not ready. I don't see him getting gassed, he went up for this fight. I hope he didn't do it by eating. I say he rips that cocky george st piece of shit's tongue out through his eyeball without flinching.

Cheater5
01-30-2009, 09:25 AM
I'd like to see BJ win, but St. Pierre just seems to have no apparent weaknesses. I am not on the GSP bandwagon, but the man seems to be the acme of talent in MMA.

Thiago is a beast, and I also like his style; good fight but I'm picking Silva over Machida. On a different note- I'm kind of wondering if Rich Franklin is on the downside of his career. I know Henderson is a tough son of a b*tch, but he needed that win.

KcMizzou
01-30-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm pulling for BJ as well. I'm tired of GSP and his merry band of nuthuggers.

I'm also a big Machida fan. A lot of people think he's boring, but I find his style fascinating. He's so elusive, yet doesn't run from the fight. The way he picked Tito apart made me a fan.

Should be fun. BJ vs GSP is truly a "super fight".

Cheater5
01-30-2009, 09:30 AM
GSP is a pretty boy. My bud is a huge fan of his, and I ask him if he also shops at 'International Male.' I could see GSP and Van Damme in Universal Soldier VI...

KcMizzou
01-30-2009, 09:31 AM
GSP is a pretty boy. My bud is a huge fan of his, and I ask him if he also shops at 'International Male.' I could see GSP and Van Damme in Universal Soldier VI...
LMAO

Exactly.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 09:57 AM
I am so antsy in my pantsy for this fight.

I'll be embarassed to be a huge BJ Penn fan if he's not ready. I don't see him getting gassed, he went up for this fight. I hope he didn't do it by eating. I say he rips that cocky george st piece of shit's tongue out through his eyeball without flinching.

BJ won't come in out of shape, I haven't seen him this fired up for a fight in a long time. I think GSP is the better athlete, but BJ is a true fighter, I hope BJ mops the floor with him. BJ's BJJ is top tier, and BJ's camp is ridiculous. Rush will come ready, but I hope BJ dominates him.

The Poz
01-30-2009, 10:08 AM
I say he rips that cocky george st piece of shit's tongue out through his eyeball without flinching.

GSP has to be one of the classiest MMA fighters out there. The only reason you guys are looking for something bad to say against him is that you're worried and know he's gonna clean the mat with Penn.
The scary thing about GSP is that his defense is actually better than his offense. Penn will looking for that home-run hit during the whole fight until George takes him down and breaks his arm.

GSP in the 2nd.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 10:11 AM
I like them both, I think they own their weight classes. I think GSP is the shit at 170 and Penn owns lightweight. I think GSP will handle Penn.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 10:21 AM
GSP has to be one of the classiest MMA fighters out there. The only reason you guys are looking for something bad to say against him is that you're worried and know he's gonna clean the mat with Penn.
The scary thing about GSP is that his defense is actually better than his offense. Penn will looking for that home-run hit during the whole fight until George takes him down and breaks his arm.

GSP in the 2nd.

LMAO LMAO LMAO. Are you new to MMA? GSP has always been a cocky bastard. Secondly did you watch the first fight between these two, no one looked for a KO shot, both are methodical fighters. Both are great fighters, BJ is one of the most talented fighters in the UFC, there is a reason they called him The Prodigy when he first started. GSP is good, no doubt about it, I will take my chances with BJ, I still love watching GSP get beat by Matt Serra ROFL. If BJ's mind is right, the only person who can stop him is himself. GSP is a great athlete and good fighter, he beats a lot of people on athleticisim alone. Penn is a great fighter and one of the most flexible and capable BJJ guys in the World. The only problems Penn has ever had is motivation, and he wants to kill GSP in this fight. His submissions rival fedor's IMO. He's rolled with Karo Parisyan, who is top tier also. I'm excited for this fight. Penn reminds me of Fedor, you would never guess by looking at them that they would be the terror's that they are, but looks can be decieving.

Gdaddy
01-30-2009, 10:25 AM
I think GSP wins the fight. Have you seen his training partners for the fightr? Good lord! We all know Penn really won the first fight, but GSP realizes that, too. He is way more motivated and Penns downfall has always been his preperation and motivation. I say GSP takes the fight, but I would NEVER count out Penn. I just hope it goes the distance.....This is such an incredible match up.

Katipan
01-30-2009, 10:32 AM
GSP has to be one of the classiest MMA fighters out there. The only reason you guys are looking for something bad to say against him is that you're worried and know he's gonna clean the mat with Penn.

Right. BJ Penn lost against GSP in a bullshit decision and Georgie boy was admitted to the hospital that night. BJ didn't even have a scratch. BJ dominated him standing up and thats not even BJ's favorite thing to do.

I'm so worried.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 10:38 AM
What's with all the GSP hate? And to you kcchiefsfanGoLJ (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=8386) Fuck you. And fuck Matt Serra ( He is a piece of shit). I like both of these fighters.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 10:44 AM
What's with all the GSP hate? And to you kcchiefsfanGoLJ (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=8386) **** you. And **** Matt Serra ( He is a piece of shit). I like both of these fighters.

I don't hate GSP, don't be a clown. GSP did train with Rashad Evans, FTR GSP's camp can't touch the talent at BJ's camp. I don't like Matt Serra at all, but it was still funny to see a scrub take the belt from your boyfriend.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 10:46 AM
Right. BJ Penn lost against GSP in a bullshit decision and Georgie boy was admitted to the hospital that night. BJ didn't even have a scratch. BJ dominated him standing up and thats not even BJ's favorite thing to do.

I'm so worried.


What? Someone who knows MMA making a solid point, wow outside Raybec, KcMizzou and a few others there's not many of us, you made a good point, Congratulations. I run a very tight crew of people admitted, but you're in. I expect you're $25 dues to be in by monday :).

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 10:48 AM
What's with all the GSP hate? And to you kcchiefsfanGoLJ (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=8386) Fuck you. And fuck Matt Serra ( He is a piece of shit). I like both of these fighters.

probably the rump ranger way GSP talks

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 10:54 AM
probably the rump ranger way GSP talks

LMAO, rep to you good sir.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 10:56 AM
I am so antsy in my pantsy for this fight.

I'll be embarassed to be a huge BJ Penn fan if he's not ready. I don't see him getting gassed, he went up for this fight. I hope he didn't do it by eating. I say he rips that cocky george st piece of shit's tongue out through his eyeball without flinching.

Did you happen to see Faber make such quick work of Jens? It was freakin embarrassing, I'm not a Faber fan, but he is double tough. Pulver needs to retire I am afraid.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 10:58 AM
Did you happen to see Faber make such quick work of Jens? It was freakin embarrassing, I'm not a Faber fan, but he is double tough. Pulver needs to retire I am afraid.

Jens held tough the first fight, and he really showed his heart, but I fear he is going down the road of one of my favorite fighters, Matt Hughes. Not everyone is Randy C, and can beat someone for a title at 44.

Katipan
01-30-2009, 11:00 AM
What's with all the GSP hate? And to you kcchiefsfanGoLJ (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=8386) **** you. And **** Matt Serra ( He is a piece of shit). I like both of these fighters.

I have an irrational hatred of Vinnie Siragusa too.

I've disliked GSP after he beat BJ and was so cocky about the fight.
But don't get me wrong. Everytime I hear BJ says "I'm going to kill him" I want to scream.

Katipan
01-30-2009, 11:02 AM
[/B]What? Someone who knows MMA making a solid point, wow outside Raybec, KcMizzou and a few others there's not many of us, you made a good point, Congratulations. I run a very tight crew of people admitted, but you're in. I expect you're $25 dues to be in by monday :).


I'm not just sexual innuendos and fluff.

Lets wrestle. If I can get you to tap, you owe me.

Katipan
01-30-2009, 11:04 AM
Did you happen to see Faber make such quick work of Jens? It was freakin embarrassing, I'm not a Faber fan, but he is double tough. Pulver needs to retire I am afraid.

Yah. But they were only on the mat what?... like 4 or 5 times? Not used to that from Faber.

chop
01-30-2009, 11:11 AM
Right. BJ Penn lost against GSP in a bullshit decision and Georgie boy was admitted to the hospital that night. BJ didn't even have a scratch. BJ dominated him standing up and thats not even BJ's favorite thing to do.

I'm so worried.

BJ won the first round and gassed. Penn did inflict the most damage but I think GSP edged him in the final two rounds. BJ should have won but he didn't prepare enough. I think this is going to be a good fight. The only weakness I see in either of their game is Penn's conditioning.

For the guy that said GSP was just an athlete and not a fighter....you must have watched the fight preview special Spike ran the other night. GSP is more than an athlete, the guy can fight.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 11:11 AM
Jens held tough the first fight, and he really showed his heart, but I fear he is going down the road of one of my favorite fighters, Matt Hughes. Not everyone is Randy C, and can beat someone for a title at 44.

Yeah I like Hughes a lot too, I hope he can make a comeback from his knee injury. I just hope he beats Serra's shit talking ass in a couple of months.

chop
01-30-2009, 11:13 AM
Yeah I like Hughes a lot too, I hope he can make a comeback from his knee injury. I just hope he beats Serra's shit talking ass in a couple of months.

Hughes talks a lot of crap also.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 11:14 AM
BJ won the first round and gassed. Penn did inflict the most damage but I think GSP edged him in the final two rounds. BJ should have won but he didn't prepare enough. I think this is going to be a good fight. The only weakness I see in either of their game is Penn's conditioning.

For the guy that said GSP was just an athlete and not a fighter....you must have watched the fight preview special Spike ran the other night. GSP is more than an athlete, the guy can fight.

Everyone knows about BJ's conditioning problems but nobody talks about the fact that GSP is a freakin head case! You never know which guy your getting. He lets any outside the ring issues take his focus. He reminds me of the 170 pound version of Vitor Belfort. Sometimes he looks unbeatable, sometimes he looks average.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 11:15 AM
Hughes talks a lot of crap also.

Yeah, but he throws a lot of stuff about Jesus in there so that makes it ok. j/k

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 11:15 AM
Yeah I like Hughes a lot too, I hope he can make a comeback from his knee injury. I just hope he beats Serra's shit talking ass in a couple of months.I hope your right. I fricking hate Matt Serra.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 11:17 AM
I hope your right. I fricking hate Matt Serra.

If you have ever seen Matt Serra vs Shonie Carter I it's hilarious. Serra goes down like a cheerleader on prom night.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 11:23 AM
If you have ever seen Matt Serra vs Shonie Carter I it's hilarious. Serra goes down like a cheerleader on prom night.I saw that during the Ultimate fighter show. It was awesome. If only he could have done it a second time. Serra needs to shut his mouth. I hope Hughes fucks him up.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 11:25 AM
BJ won the first round and gassed. Penn did inflict the most damage but I think GSP edged him in the final two rounds. BJ should have won but he didn't prepare enough. I think this is going to be a good fight. The only weakness I see in either of their game is Penn's conditioning.

For the guy that said GSP was just an athlete and not a fighter....you must have watched the fight preview special Spike ran the other night. GSP is more than an athlete, the guy can fight.

I compared the two, and BJ is a pure fighter, GSP is a pure athlete who fights in MMA. I have said and will say again, I think GSP is very good, I think BJ is better. No I haven't watched a fight preview on Spike for this fight. Don't try and put words in my mouth.

chop
01-30-2009, 11:32 AM
Don't try and put words in my mouth.

I didn't try to put words in your mouth.:shrug: A guy in Penn's camp said the exact same thing so I thought you must have watched it. I don't agree with your (or his) assessment of GSP but it's just a matter of opinion.

Cheater5
01-30-2009, 11:44 AM
Sure, I'd concede that St. Pierre probably has the edge in conditioning, and can outlast Penn in the gym. He looks more like a fighter.

But we have all seen fighters that do not have the six pack abs, traps, lats, and waxed their bodies to look like A&F models destroy dudes that are physical specimens (see Heath Herring v. Cheick Kongo, or Tim Sylvia v. Andrei Orlovsky).

BJ Penn is a tough son of a bitch, and he doesn't get intimidated; GSP's breakdance moves and nut-hugging spandex don't mean sh*t to him. Having said that, I still think GSP wins the fight by decision-- and that is hard to write.

chop
01-30-2009, 11:48 AM
I agree. There are many guys that look like they are good fighters and are not. My point is that GSP is not one of those guys. He may look like an athlete but he is definitely a fighter.

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 11:50 AM
I agree. There are many guys that look like they are good fighters and are not. My point is that GSP is not one of those guys. He may look like an athlete but he is definitely a fighter.

with a chin that sure is suspect

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 11:54 AM
also i havent seen the show but on another site they were laughing about penn's comment to gsp's trainer to after the fight go home, take off your shoes, lay down on the bed, take 20-30 minutes and GO FUCK YOURSELFROFL

CoMoChief
01-30-2009, 12:07 PM
Anyone know when Brock and Mir will fight?

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 12:16 PM
Anyone know when Brock and Mir will fight?

They were trying to set it up for May the last I heard, but nothing is signed yet.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 12:19 PM
St. Pierre is favored and for good reason.

http://mmafighting.com/news/2009/01/26/ufc-94-st-pierre-vs-penn-2-betting-odds

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 12:48 PM
St. Pierre is favored and for good reason.

http://mmafighting.com/news/2009/01/26/ufc-94-st-pierre-vs-penn-2-betting-odds

GOOD REASON being that he fights at that weight all the time?

suds79
01-30-2009, 12:54 PM
This is going to be a brutal fight.

BJ's just to talented... GSP is just so athletic and well rounded.

In the end? I'm going to say same old BJ Penn. He'll come out strong but will fade as the match goes.

In the end, GSP is bigger, stronger & more athletic. So I'm saying GSP in round 2 or 3.

CoMoChief
01-30-2009, 01:03 PM
They were trying to set it up for May the last I heard, but nothing is signed yet.

I cant wait for that fight. Brock's a lot better than he was the first time they fought. Though Mir's a submission specialist. Brock just needs to sit on him and ground n pound.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 01:29 PM
I cant wait for that fight. Brock's a lot better than he was the first time they fought. Though Mir's a submission specialist. Brock just needs to sit on him and ground n pound.

Mir's game is evolving. He is one of the few ground/submission specialists who have added a truly dangerous standup game to compliment his skills. Brock is big and super powerful. I think if Mir can stay on his feet he can win. If he can keep Brock from passing his guard he could also win. Good fight either way.

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 01:48 PM
if rumors are true about affliction folding maybe we will see fedor v brock sooner rather than later. i coulod actually see the ufc putting fedor against brock ahead of brock v mir

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 01:52 PM
I cant wait for that fight. Brock's a lot better than he was the first time they fought. Though Mir's a submission specialist. Brock just needs to sit on him and ground n pound.

Yep. Mir kind of shot himself in the foot with all his trash talk. If I was Lesnar I would try to break his face. I think the best heavyweight Bar none is still Fedor, he would destroy either one of them.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 01:55 PM
if rumors are true about affliction folding maybe we will see fedor v brock sooner rather than later. i coulod actually see the ufc putting fedor against brock ahead of brock v mir

Fedor is going to bring Affliction to it's knees. They can't afford to be dishing out huge percentages of their income on fighter salaries. They gave him so much money that he is the only "big name" they can afford. I would love to see someone compete with the UFC on a regular basis but it probably isn't going to happen any time soon.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 01:55 PM
if rumors are true about affliction folding maybe we will see fedor v brock sooner rather than later. i coulod actually see the ufc putting fedor against brock ahead of brock v mir

I don't know, Fedor has said this is his last contract (rumor), he said a while ago that he has nothing left to prove to anyone. I think the most clamored about fight was Fedor vs The natural, but it never happened. I don't see how they could promote Fedor vs Lesnar anymore than they pimped Fedor and Randy's "dream fight".

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 01:56 PM
Yep. Mir kind of shot himself in the foot with all his trash talk. If I was Lesnar I would try to break his face. I think the best heavyweight Bar none is still Fedor, he would destroy either one of them.

Dana will never pay Fedor what he wants IMO. I think he still feels the sting of giving Cro-Cop a bunch of cash.

El Jefe
01-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Dana will never pay Fedor what he wants IMO. I think he still feels the sting of giving Cro-Cop a bunch of cash.

The only reason why Fedor is still fighting is because he is making a disgusting amount of money. Fedor is in that point of his career where no one is going to beat him, and he wants to get paid a lot to fight. He doesn't care about the fame, he isn't going to fight if it isn't going to thicken his wallet. Dana is a cheap bastard, at least Wandy has been competitive in his fights, unlike Cro Cop. Once again good points raybec.

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
if rumors are true about affliction folding maybe we will see fedor v brock sooner rather than later. i coulod actually see the ufc putting fedor against brock ahead of brock v mir

Fedor is going to bring Affliction to it's knees. They can't afford to be dishing out huge percentages of their income on fighter salaries. They gave him so much money that he is the only "big name" they can afford. I would love to see someone compete with the UFC on a regular basis but it probably isn't going to happen any time soon.

see my first post.

JASONSAUTO
01-30-2009, 02:41 PM
I don't know, Fedor has said this is his last contract (rumor), he said a while ago that he has nothing left to prove to anyone. I think the most clamored about fight was Fedor vs The natural, but it never happened. I don't see how they could promote Fedor vs Lesnar anymore than they pimped Fedor and Randy's "dream fight".

fedor's contract is to M-1 global, not affliction. M-1 subcontracts him out, and to the "nothing left to prove point" then why did he insist that M-1 put a clause in his contract that M-1 has to offer the current ufc champ a couple of million dollars OVER his TOTAL ufc contract for the one fight

BigVE
01-30-2009, 02:45 PM
Here is my take on GSP vs. Penn: it's about as even a matchup you get in MMA. I feel that if they fought 10 times it would probably be 5-5 or 6-4. I guess for my money GSP will be the favorite because of him being a more natural 170lb'er and he has made great strides in his skills since the last time these two fought. Benn is a world class jits guy but GSP's skills are really under-rated. Penn showed in his last fight that he can stay standing up and still win with some excellent boxing type skills but I would give the edge standing up to GSP. There is NO WAY this fight goes the distance in my opinion. None. I'm a GSP fan as well as a Penn fan but I favor GSP so the perfect scenario for me is for GSP to submit Penn, the jiu-jistu master.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-30-2009, 03:16 PM
I just want people to stop wearing Affliction shirts that are two sizes too small. Although, it will be harder to spot overcompensating douchebags once they are gone.

BigVE
01-30-2009, 03:22 PM
I just want people to stop wearing Affliction shirts that are two sizes too small. Although, it will be harder to spot overcompensating douchebags once they are gone.


I will admit that I bought one of those shirts a couple of years ago but I will also say this in my defense: I DID buy the correct size but they make them babies 2 sizes too small on PURPOSE! I never wore mine because is DIDNT FIT!

CoMoChief
01-30-2009, 03:26 PM
Yep. Mir kind of shot himself in the foot with all his trash talk. If I was Lesnar I would try to break his face. I think the best heavyweight Bar none is still Fedor, he would destroy either one of them.

I would love to see Fedor and Brock fight. it will happen one day, bank on it.

White and Trump may have to make some sort of deal......but that would be a fight for the ages.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 03:26 PM
Here is my take on GSP vs. Penn: it's about as even a matchup you get in MMA. I feel that if they fought 10 times it would probably be 5-5 or 6-4. I guess for my money GSP will be the favorite because of him being a more natural 170lb'er and he has made great strides in his skills since the last time these two fought. Benn is a world class jits guy but GSP's skills are really under-rated. Penn showed in his last fight that he can stay standing up and still win with some excellent boxing type skills but I would give the edge standing up to GSP. There is NO WAY this fight goes the distance in my opinion. None. I'm a GSP fan as well as a Penn fan but I favor GSP so the perfect scenario for me is for GSP to submit Penn, the jiu-jistu master.

That would be a huge upset, BJ is one of the best jits guys in the country. I can't see him getting submitted, pounded out maybe, but not submitted.

Jerm
01-30-2009, 03:30 PM
Stacked card, can't wait.

I think the key factor in the main event will be BJ's stamina...I can see this fight easily going 4 or all 5 rounds. Will he gas? Remains to be seen.

Either way, the fight is going to be amazing.

BigVE
01-30-2009, 03:34 PM
That would be a huge upset, BJ is one of the best jits guys in the country. I can't see him getting submitted, pounded out maybe, but not submitted.

I know, THAT is why it would be too cool.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 03:42 PM
GOOD REASON being that he fights at that weight all the time?No, good reason being that he is better.

BigVE
01-30-2009, 03:52 PM
No, good reason being that he is better.


I can see both sides to this argument and it will only be settled in the ring. GSP is favored because he is the current champ, is at his NORMAL weight and vegas KNOWS everyone will be betting on him.

raybec 4
01-30-2009, 04:23 PM
I can see both sides to this argument and it will only be settled in the ring. GSP is favored because he is the current champ, is at his NORMAL weight and vegas KNOWS everyone will be betting on him.

For the record I said Randy would beat Lesnar and Nog would beat Mir and Forrest would beat Rashad so I'm thinking of giving up on the predicting and just rooting for who I like.

jidar
01-30-2009, 04:23 PM
Here is my take on GSP vs. Penn: it's about as even a matchup you get in MMA. I feel that if they fought 10 times it would probably be 5-5 or 6-4. I guess for my money GSP will be the favorite because of him being a more natural 170lb'er and he has made great strides in his skills since the last time these two fought. Benn is a world class jits guy but GSP's skills are really under-rated. Penn showed in his last fight that he can stay standing up and still win with some excellent boxing type skills but I would give the edge standing up to GSP. There is NO WAY this fight goes the distance in my opinion. None. I'm a GSP fan as well as a Penn fan but I favor GSP so the perfect scenario for me is for GSP to submit Penn, the jiu-jistu master.

GSP's skills are underrated? That's an awfully strange thing to say about a guy who routinely makes peoples "best lb for lb fighters" lists. In fact my top 4 looks like this:

1: Fedor
2: Anderson Silva
3: BJ Penn
4: GSP

and depending on the day of the week the order of that list changes but it's still the same 4 fighters.

Okay so given that BJ and GSP are both on the top 4 best lb for lb the smart pick in this heads up match is GSP because he's bigger.

BigVE
01-30-2009, 04:32 PM
GSP's skills are underrated? That's an awfully strange thing to say about a guy who routinely makes peoples "best lb for lb fighters" lists. In fact my top 4 looks like this:

1: Fedor
2: Anderson Silva
3: BJ Penn
4: GSP

and depending on the day of the week that list changes.

Okay so given that BJ and GSP are both on the top 4 best lb for lb the smart pick in this heads up match is GSP because he's bigger.


Yes, until RECENTLY. Before he beat Hughes his wrestling was called into question. He trained with some of the best in the world and sharpened his skills and beat Hughes at his own game and then some. GSP is not considered a jits-guy really, he is not a blackbelt like Penn yet he is almost impossible to pin/submit. YET, like you said, he is considered OVERALL one the best pound for pound fighters in the world. You tell me. Once he has Penn tapping out for mercy there will be NO MORE doubting his skills.

jidar
01-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Yes, until RECENTLY. Before he beat Hughes his wrestling was called into question. He trained with some of the best in the world and sharpened his skills and beat Hughes at his own game and then some. GSP is not considered a jits-guy really, he is not a blackbelt like Penn yet he is almost impossible to pin/submit. YET, like you said, he is considered OVERALL one the best pound for pound fighters in the world. You tell me. Once he has Penn tapping out for mercy there will be NO MORE doubting his skills.

Well when he first beat Hughes it was quite awhile ago. I just really don't think very many people are underrating GSPs skill. I think the consensus is that he's at the top of the game in all aspects and generally thought of as one of the most well rounded fighters in mma.

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 05:05 PM
For the record I said Randy would beat Lesnar and Nog would beat Mir and Forrest would beat Rashad so I'm thinking of giving up on the predicting and just rooting for who I like.Funny that is one of the only times I had picked all the fights right.

Jerm
01-30-2009, 05:30 PM
GSP is a JJ black belt...he got it not too long ago.

I wanna how his guard would be with a world class JJ guy like Penn on top...that would be interesting IMO.

Valiant
01-30-2009, 05:41 PM
GSP has to be one of the classiest MMA fighters out there. The only reason you guys are looking for something bad to say against him is that you're worried and know he's gonna clean the mat with Penn.
The scary thing about GSP is that his defense is actually better than his offense. Penn will looking for that home-run hit during the whole fight until George takes him down and breaks his arm.

GSP in the 2nd.

Yeah, GSP is an amazing fighter.. Penn is cool to, but I just want to see an amazing bloodbrawl and GSP knocking him out in the second or third..

ArrowheadHawk
01-30-2009, 09:01 PM
It sure should be fun to watch.

KcMizzou
01-30-2009, 09:02 PM
It sure should be fun to watch.Yep, between this and the Super Bowl, it's gonna be a hell of a sports weekend.

The Poz
01-31-2009, 09:33 AM
Yep, between this and the Super Bowl, it's gonna be a hell of a sports weekend.

For sure. I was at the Raptors/Bucks game last night (7th row - amazing seats), UFC tonight with all the boys then start again mid afternoon Sunday for the Superbowl. I think I'll have to call in sick Monday.

jspchief
01-31-2009, 11:58 AM
GSP is hard to like. It doesn't help that he wears those gay shorts.

But the other problem is he's often boring. He reminds me of the boxer Lennox Lewis. He does everything right, and systematically tears down his opponent, but it's no fun watching 12 rounds of jabs to a win by decision.

GSP's defense is so good that he rarely gets into interesting spots on the ground, and his stand-up is technically solid, but lacks much entertainment value. He doesn't take risks or make many mistakes, and the end result is a big yawn.

I won't knock the guy's ability, but he lacks entertainment value. Personally I hope Penn knock him stiff, but odds are it will be another snoozer like the first.

BigVE
01-31-2009, 08:46 PM
GSP is hard to like. It doesn't help that he wears those gay shorts.

But the other problem is he's often boring. He reminds me of the boxer Lennox Lewis. He does everything right, and systematically tears down his opponent, but it's no fun watching 12 rounds of jabs to a win by decision.

GSP's defense is so good that he rarely gets into interesting spots on the ground, and his stand-up is technically solid, but lacks much entertainment value. He doesn't take risks or make many mistakes, and the end result is a big yawn.

I won't knock the guy's ability, but he lacks entertainment value. Personally I hope Penn knock him stiff, but odds are it will be another snoozer like the first.

You lost all credibility with me with this statement. Did you not see GSP destroy Matt Serra?? What about his last fight? What about the utter humiliation of Matt Hughes? Your clueless.

BigVE
01-31-2009, 08:47 PM
It's almost fight time. This is a very good card.

chop
01-31-2009, 08:51 PM
You lost all credibility with me with this statement. Did you not see GSP destroy Matt Serra?? What about his last fight? What about the utter humiliation of Matt Hughes? Your clueless.

I agree. GSP is far from a boring fighter. He has knocked out several fighters.

chop
01-31-2009, 09:39 PM
Diaz vs. Guida results

Guida wins by split decision

Over-Head
01-31-2009, 09:42 PM
GSP is hard to like. It doesn't help that he wears those gay shorts..
He IS from Queerbec.

I won't knock the guy's a bility, but he lacks entertainment value. .
again, he's a frog. Nuf said:rolleyes:

But he's a hell of a fighter. Penn is in for a brawl

chop
01-31-2009, 09:46 PM
Coming up next:

Parisyan vs. Kim

chop
01-31-2009, 10:09 PM
Results of the Kim vs Parisyan fight.

It was an okay fight, not a lot of fireworks a little on the boring side.

Split decision goes to Parisyan.

Jerm
01-31-2009, 10:38 PM
Wow, Jon Jones is SICK.

Never seen dude fight, thoroughly impressed. He does some wild and crazy stuff, it's cool to watch though.

chop
01-31-2009, 10:39 PM
Bonnar vs. Jones

Jones looks like he's going to be a good one. He needs to work on his conditioning but he's only 21. He threw Bonnar around the ring at will the first couple of rounds.

Unanimous decision for Jones.

Simplex3
01-31-2009, 10:43 PM
Gee, must be a really exciting night. All split decisions except for one unanimous decision.

:ZZZ:

chop
01-31-2009, 10:47 PM
Machida vs. Silva coming up next.

chop
01-31-2009, 10:49 PM
Both fighters come into this fight undefeated.

mdstu
01-31-2009, 10:49 PM
Gee, must be a really exciting night. All split decisions except for one unanimous decision.

:ZZZ:

The unanimous decision probably should have been split as well. Jones gassed in the second and Bonner was pretty much the aggressor for two rounds. That doesn't mean I think Bonner won, I just think it could have been split.

Jerm
01-31-2009, 10:49 PM
"Co-Main Event" my ass...there is only one main event on this show.

Should be an interesting and entertaining fight nonetheless.

Over-Head
01-31-2009, 10:50 PM
Both fighters come into this fight undefeated.And Silva's gonna walk out that way

chop
01-31-2009, 10:56 PM
Machida vs. Silva results:

Knockout!!!! Machida wins first round KO!

Jerm
01-31-2009, 10:57 PM
People can say what they want about Machida, he ain't no joke.

Nice of you to show up Silva lol.

Over-Head
01-31-2009, 10:57 PM
Machida vs. Silva results:

Knockout!!!! Machida wins first round KO! :eek::eek::eek:

chop
01-31-2009, 11:00 PM
Machida vs. Silva cont..

It wasn't even close. I don't think Silva even landed anything significant. Machida dropped Silva 3 times in the round. The KO came just as the round ended.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:03 PM
Main event coming up. GSP vs. Penn.

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:08 PM
Go Rush!!

ragedogg69
01-31-2009, 11:09 PM
My prediction:

Fight of the year.

I have no idea who will win. Even though I love GSP and think BJ is a bit of a douche, I see it going either way.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:21 PM
GSP vs. Penn 1st round

Neither guy did any major damage. GSP was the aggressor and IMO won the first round.

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:23 PM
update plez

ragedogg69
01-31-2009, 11:25 PM
gsp passed the guard on bj. wow :o

chop
01-31-2009, 11:26 PM
GSP vs. Penn 2nd round

GSP took Penn down and got in some good shots. GSP looks good. GSP controlled the round. BJ was cut under the eye. I score the round for GSP.

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:27 PM
GSP vs. Penn 2nd round

GSP took Penn down and got in some good shots. GSP looks good. GSP controlled the round. BJ was cut under the eye. I score the round for GSP.

thanks

chop
01-31-2009, 11:32 PM
GSP vs. Penn 3rd round

GSP takes Penn down again. GSP is in control. Whoever said he was just an athlete and not a fighter should reevaluate their beliefs. Penn gets off the mat at 2:00 of the round. GSP takes Penn down again at 1:11 of the round. GSP wins another round. I have it 30-27.

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:32 PM
Did Rush win yet??

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:33 PM
Penn is a BJ lover.

ragedogg69
01-31-2009, 11:34 PM
BJ's corner is panicking.

Simplex3
01-31-2009, 11:34 PM
GSP is the new Tito Ortiz. Take a guy down, elbow him a few times, guy gets back up. Take a guy down, elbow him a few times, guy gets back up.

Yawn.

Simplex3
01-31-2009, 11:36 PM
BJ's corner is panicking.

Why? BJ walks out of this fight with a belt either way. Worst case scenario he loses to a guy fighting in a higher weight class, a fight he *should* lose. GSP has nothing to gain. Best case he keeps his belt and beat up a smaller guy.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:38 PM
GSP vs. Penn 4th round

Penn has no answer for GSP early in the round. GSP takes Penn down again. GSP is pummeling Penn on the ground. Penn doesn't look like he is in the same class as GSP right now. GSP is having his way with Penn.

ragedogg69
01-31-2009, 11:38 PM
what convinced people that bj fixed his conditioning problems? He moved rocks underwater on primetime? If anything primetime shows how lackadaisical his training is in comparison to GSP.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:39 PM
GSP vs. Penn results

Penn doesn't come out of his corner. GSP wins!!

ragedogg69
01-31-2009, 11:41 PM
quitter

nevermind, it was his brother

Over-Head
01-31-2009, 11:41 PM
GSP vs. Penn results

Penn doesn't come out of his corner. GSP wins!! Say what?????:eek:

Jerm
01-31-2009, 11:42 PM
I can't believe how GSP absolutely dominated Penn on the ground.

B.J.'s guard is usually world class...GSP passed it over and over again like it was nothing.

That dude is scary good...he's great in every aspect of the game.

GSP vs. Anderson now?

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:43 PM
the day just got even better. Rush is my fav fighter. and band

Simplex3
01-31-2009, 11:45 PM
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...

Halfcan
01-31-2009, 11:46 PM
Blow Job said he was going to KILL Rush-nice prediction dumbass.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:47 PM
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...

I think Anderson Silva could hold the light heavyweight belt if he wanted to.

mdstu
01-31-2009, 11:49 PM
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...

I'm sure they will take that into consideration while they are counting their millions tonight.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:50 PM
I would like to see GSP fight Anderson Silva.

Jerm
01-31-2009, 11:51 PM
Nice from Thiago Alves...."I want the shitle tot".

LMAO.

BigVE
01-31-2009, 11:53 PM
No one can doubt GSP's skills now. One of the best there is. Period. Unreal.

chop
01-31-2009, 11:55 PM
No one can doubt GSP's skills now. One of the best there is. Period. Unreal.

I'm surprised people were doubting his skills all along. The guy is a good fighter. He is a complete fighter. He can out wrestle wrestlers and out strike strikers.

Over-Head
02-01-2009, 12:06 AM
I'm surprised people were doubting his skills all along. The guy is a good fighter. He is a complete fighter. He can out wrestle wrestlers and out strike strikers.
A fighting French man.
Who woulda thunk it?

Katipan
02-01-2009, 08:16 AM
That was depressing. It looked like a dog playing with a chew toy.

So I'm off to shodokan training.

Simplex3
02-01-2009, 09:15 AM
I'm sure they will take that into consideration while they are counting their millions tonight.

Keep putting up crappy fights like this one and see how long that lasts. You can always ask boxing how it has been working out for them.

burt
02-01-2009, 09:28 AM
Thanks for the updates all.....some of us couldn't afford the fight and you guys helped make it enjoyable.

mdstu
02-01-2009, 11:32 AM
Keep putting up crappy fights like this one and see how long that lasts. You can always ask boxing how it has been working out for them.

I didn't think the fight was crappy. I think a lot of people thought that BJ would dominate GSP, after the last close fight and GSP getting KO'ed by Serra. It just turns out that BJ isn't quite as great as everyone thought he was. Of course he is the one that moved weight class, but he is the one that called GSP out. I think a lot of people took joy in watching him get his ass kicked.

Don't make this out to be a bad fight like the Silva fluke main event or the over hyped Kimbo fight.

The Poz
02-01-2009, 11:37 AM
LMAO LMAO LMAO. Are you new to MMA? GSP has always been a cocky bastard. Secondly did you watch the first fight between these two, no one looked for a KO shot, both are methodical fighters. Both are great fighters, BJ is one of the most talented fighters in the UFC, there is a reason they called him The Prodigy when he first started. GSP is good, no doubt about it, I will take my chances with BJ, I still love watching GSP get beat by Matt Serra ROFL. If BJ's mind is right, the only person who can stop him is himself. GSP is a great athlete and good fighter, he beats a lot of people on athleticisim alone. Penn is a great fighter and one of the most flexible and capable BJJ guys in the World. The only problems Penn has ever had is motivation, and he wants to kill GSP in this fight. His submissions rival fedor's IMO. He's rolled with Karo Parisyan, who is top tier also. I'm excited for this fight. Penn reminds me of Fedor, you would never guess by looking at them that they would be the terror's that they are, but looks can be decieving.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?

chop
02-01-2009, 11:52 AM
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?

I'm not sure where he gets that GSP has always been a "cocky bastard" from. BJ Penn is a 1000 x more cocky than GSP. I like GSP because he doesn't come across as cocky as a lot of the other fighters.

suds79
02-01-2009, 11:53 AM
Who gives a F if guys are cocky.

They're professional fighters. They're all cocky. You'd have to be just to make in that sport.

I think after this, BJ should just stay at 155 and dominate.

Simplex3
02-01-2009, 12:03 PM
I didn't think the fight was crappy. I think a lot of people thought that BJ would dominate GSP, after the last close fight and GSP getting KO'ed by Serra. It just turns out that BJ isn't quite as great as everyone thought he was. Of course he is the one that moved weight class, but he is the one that called GSP out. I think a lot of people took joy in watching him get his ass kicked.

Don't make this out to be a bad fight like the Silva fluke main event or the over hyped Kimbo fight.

BJ is a fighter. Of course he's going to be dumb enough to fight anyone, even guys with 10% more mass than he has.

Everyone talks about how GSP is such a hard-core trainer, always on his game, blah blah blah. If that's true then explain him getting beat down by Serra and losing to Penn the first time (yeah, I know GSP got the decision). GSP is a freak, but he's also hot and cold.

Simplex3
02-01-2009, 12:04 PM
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?

Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.

The Poz
02-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.

He learned his lesson. Can't see that happening again anytime in the near future.

BigVE
02-01-2009, 12:07 PM
BJ is a fighter. Of course he's going to be dumb enough to fight anyone, even guys with 10% more mass than he has.

Everyone talks about how GSP is such a hard-core trainer, always on his game, blah blah blah. If that's true then explain him getting beat down by Serra and losing to Penn the first time (yeah, I know GSP got the decision). GSP is a freak, but he's also hot and cold.

Not any more. You have to go back a few years to find THAT GSP. He doesn't exist anymore. He has been nothing but RED hot since the Serra fight....THAT is when he started to take things more serious and it has shown in EVERY one of his performances since then. He has utterly dominated everyone since the Serra fight. Period. There's your explanation. Catch up with current events before you spout this crap.

BigVE
02-01-2009, 12:08 PM
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.

ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.

suds79
02-01-2009, 12:11 PM
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.

Yeah that's weak man.

Like BigVE said. ANY FIGHTER can get caught.

Nobody goes through this sport and goes undefeated. It's just a matter of time before you make one mistake and it's either lights out or you get submitted.

Simplex3
02-01-2009, 12:11 PM
Not any more. You have to go back a few years to find THAT GSP. He doesn't exist anymore. He has been nothing but RED hot since the Serra fight....THAT is when he started to take things more serious and it has shown in EVERY one of his performances since then. He has utterly dominated everyone since the Serra fight. Period. There's your explanation. Catch up with current events before you spout this crap.

That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.

Simplex3
02-01-2009, 12:21 PM
That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.

Here it is. It's been a lot longer than I thought. How time does fly when you're getting old.

04-07-2007 : Lost to Serra in the first. Was wholly unprepared.
08-25-2007 : Beat Koscheck by a decision. Not a great win IMO, but I didn't see the fight.
12-19-2007 : Kicked the crap out of an old Matt Hughes.
04-19-2008 : Finally beat Serra, who isn't very good.
08-09-2008 : Beat John Fitch, but it went the full 5 rounds.
01-31-2009 : Beat up a lightweight fighter.

The guy has been fighting every four months. That's pretty impressive. More guys should be doing this. Just stay in shape.

BigVE
02-01-2009, 12:28 PM
That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.

That's ok, if your not impressed by what he has done then you have a lot to learn about MMA and the caliber of fighters that are out there. Serra got lucky and everyone including Serra has said so. Matt Hughes was one of the best there has ever been and got absolutely pummeled by GSP at his own game. Serra got absolutely pummeled by GSP. GSP's last fight was against a guy who was supposed to be his "toughest opponent yet" and he dominated him. THEN you take into account Penn is considered top 5 in the world pound for pound (some ranked him higher than GSP) and he was also absolutely destroyed and humiliated by GSP. That's what has been impressive, HOW he has won. He hardly got hit last night at all and Penn is considered one of THE best boxers too, let alone the fact that he is world class at Jiu-jitsu and had NOTHING for GSP. Nothing. If your not impressed your just have hater-vision on and cant see the picture that is plainly in front of your face.

burt
02-01-2009, 12:47 PM
Who gives a F if guys are cocky.

They're professional fighters. They're all cocky. You'd have to be just to make in that sport.
I think after this, BJ should just stay at 155 and dominate.

This.

burt
02-01-2009, 12:51 PM
Here it is. It's been a lot longer than I thought. How time does fly when you're getting old.

04-07-2007 : Lost to Serra in the first. Was wholly unprepared.
08-25-2007 : Beat Koscheck by a decision. Not a great win IMO, but I didn't see the fight.
12-19-2007 : Kicked the crap out of an old Matt Hughes.
04-19-2008 : Finally beat Serra, who isn't very good.
08-09-2008 : Beat John Fitch, but it went the full 5 rounds.
01-31-2009 : Beat up a lightweight fighter.

The guy has been fighting every four months. That's pretty impressive. More guys should be doing this. Just stay in shape.


Matt Hughes isn't old. The rest is true.

GSP is a very tough opponent. One of the previous posts was touting how tough Penn is. I mostly agree, but sometimes he tends to coast, hoping to catch an opponent getting sloppy and throwing a great submission hold. That kind of shit won't work when fighting someone of GSP's caliber.

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 01:36 PM
ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.

that fight, to be fair, should have been a no decision, early cut illegal IIRC

El Jefe
02-01-2009, 03:47 PM
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?

I didn't give him that nickname, it was given to him when he first started, he's a little old to be a prodigy anymore LOL. I don't like either fighter, so I really didn't care who won. I don't like GSP at all, and I like BJ a little more than I like GSP, which isn't saying much. I didn't buy the fight because I didn't care who won.

El Jefe
02-01-2009, 03:50 PM
ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.

Give me a break, any person who watched that fight agrees it should have been a NC, it was an illegal headbutt that opened a giant gash above his eye. I am an old Pride Fan, I watched everything Pride, those were the days IMO.

El Jefe
02-01-2009, 03:51 PM
that fight, to be fair, should have been a no decision, early cut illegal IIRC

Wow, a post above mine and I still didn't read it, I was working my way from page six and never saw yours. I agree with you :).

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 03:51 PM
Give me a break, any person who watched that fight agrees it should have been a NC, it was an illegal headbutt that opened a giant gash above his eye. I am an old Pride Fan, I watched everything Pride, those were the days IMO.

Me TOO i watched wanderlei vs mark hunt last night, i thought wand should've won just for hanging in there about 75 lbs lighter

El Jefe
02-01-2009, 03:56 PM
Me TOO i watched wanderlei vs mark hunt last night, i thought wand should've won just for hanging in there about 75 lbs lighter

They had some great fights back in Pride. Fedor vs Hunt was a good one too. Fedor was in some battles, I liked when he fought Cro Cop, that was a true war. Fedor said it was the toughest fight he has ever had. Fedor fought some true beasts in Pride, Semmy Schilt, Hong Man Choi, Mark Coleman, it was fun to watch Pride. Wandy was one of my favorites too.

Jerm
02-01-2009, 04:19 PM
Hunt vs. Wandy was awesome just for the Atomic Butt Drop from Hunt.

Classic.

Jerm
02-01-2009, 04:31 PM
Also Machida IMO will now become the most ducked fighter in the UFC.

Everyone in the LHW division, that includes my boy Rampage and Rashad and whoever else, can say what they want but I guarantee that NO ONE wants him right now.

His style and gameplans are flawless and tailor made for MMA.

El Jefe
02-01-2009, 05:06 PM
Also Machida IMO will now become the most ducked fighter in the UFC.

Everyone in the LHW division, that includes my boy Rampage and Rashad and whoever else, can say what they want but I guarantee that NO ONE wants him right now.

His style and gameplans are flawless and tailor made for MMA.

Yep, he is also a counter striker, he is very patient, and can be very very boring to watch. IMO, Rampage and Rashad would beat him.

ArrowheadHawk
02-02-2009, 12:50 AM
GOOD REASON being that he fights at that weight all the time?

No good reason cause he is supremely better than bj.

ArrowheadHawk
02-02-2009, 12:51 AM
GSP is a JJ black belt...he got it not too long ago.

I wanna how his guard would be with a world class JJ guy like Penn on top...that would be interesting IMO.

Yeah....that didn't even come close to happening.

ArrowheadHawk
02-02-2009, 12:52 AM
I guess I was right. Were are all the GSP haters that said he was going to lose?

Sfeihc
02-02-2009, 06:14 AM
Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.

Simplex3
02-02-2009, 09:01 AM
Yep, he is also a counter striker, he is very patient, and can be very very boring to watch. IMO, Rampage and Rashad would beat him.

Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.

Katipan
02-02-2009, 09:10 AM
Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.

I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 09:15 AM
I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.

I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.

Katipan
02-02-2009, 09:18 AM
I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.

OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.

MOhillbilly
02-02-2009, 09:20 AM
All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 09:21 AM
OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.

I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Katipan
02-02-2009, 09:22 AM
All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.

I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.

MOhillbilly
02-02-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.

Word.

El Jefe
02-02-2009, 09:27 AM
Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.

Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.

Katipan
02-02-2009, 09:30 AM
I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 10:33 AM
Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

Thanks

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 10:36 AM
Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.

I believe that statement to be 100 percent accurate, Rashad proved during the Griffin fight that although he may not be technically sound, he is very fast and has plenty of power. I think Machida could win that fight by frustrating Rashad but he would have to be very careful.

RUSH
02-02-2009, 01:24 PM
GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

BigCatDaddy
02-02-2009, 02:14 PM
GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 02:49 PM
How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

My thoughts too, Silva moved up to 205 and completely blasted Irvin. I would love to see GSP vs Silva but he would need to fight some lesser competition at 185 first IMO.

JASONSAUTO
02-02-2009, 03:04 PM
How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.

AGREED

RUSH
02-02-2009, 03:41 PM
My thoughts too, Silva moved up to 205 and completely blasted Irvin. I would love to see GSP vs Silva but he would need to fight some lesser competition at 185 first IMO.

Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.

ArrowheadHawk
02-02-2009, 03:44 PM
Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.Possible but I doubt it. The UFC loses out on main events when it pits its champions against each other.

RUSH
02-02-2009, 03:49 PM
And how is beating a top 5 fighter in the world twice being looked over as just beating a 155er. BJ was a champ at 170, so he can definitely fight at that weight and GSP just destroyed him. BJ and Matt Hughes are better than anyone Anderson has ever beaten and GSP has done so twice. Maybe you can argue Henderson, but he isn't as good when he's fighting at 185. I love Anderson too, but I just can't seem to put him ahead of GSP, especially after the Cote performance.

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 03:49 PM
Come on now Irvin is terrible, that proves nothing. GSP can easily move up to 185 and blast the bums of that division as well. Hell I'll even say he would beat everyone other than maybe Anderson. Anderson can probably move up to 205 and beat most if not all of the LHW's too. GSP and Anderson have both wiped out their divisions in dominating fashion. I think GSP has been more impressive in doing so and has beat better competition, so that's why I give him the edge. I guess we will find out who's better once GSP wipes the floor with a roided up Thiago Alves. I can't think of a fight next for each fighter after Silva beats Leites and GSP beats Alves, so hopefully they go at it next.

Can and I'll say don't = did, however I'll concede Irvin is not the cream of the crop. I can't possibly see how GSP has been more dominant. Let's look at fact- Silva has not been to a decision in the UFC. He has fought Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin who are both natural 205 lbers and former champions. GSP lost to Matt fucking Serra. That guy is terrible and should never be allowed to fight again.

GSP is not nearly as dominant as Silva. He has beaten guys in who are past their prime or above their natural weight. Let him move up and start winning and he could be in the same class as Silva.

RUSH
02-02-2009, 04:00 PM
Can and I'll say don't = did, however I'll concede Irvin is not the cream of the crop. I can't possibly see how GSP has been more dominant. Let's look at fact- Silva has not been to a decision in the UFC. He has fought Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin who are both natural 205 lbers and former champions. GSP lost to Matt ****ing Serra. That guy is terrible and should never be allowed to fight again.

GSP is not nearly as dominant as Silva. He has beaten guys in who are past their prime or above their natural weight. Let him move up and start winning and he could be in the same class as Silva.

Franklin and Henderson are worse at 185. And I'll change that "probably" to say that he can move up to 205 and beat all the top 205ers, other than Machida, but they would never fight anyway. Yeah GSP lost to Serra, it's MMA fluke stuff happens sometimes, much like how Anderson got caught by Ryo Chonan. He showed it was a fluke a year later. And I don't think going to decision should be a knock against a fighter. GSP and Anderson are different fighters. GSP's domination of Fitch was equally impressive as Anderson's KO's or TKO's over the various fighters he has fought in the UFC.

raybec 4
02-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Franklin and Henderson are worse at 185. And I'll change that "probably" to say that he can move up to 205 and beat all the top 205ers, other than Machida, but they would never fight anyway. Yeah GSP lost to Serra, it's MMA fluke stuff happens sometimes, much like how Anderson got caught by Ryo Chonan. He showed it was a fluke a year later. And I don't think going to decision should be a knock against a fighter. GSP and Anderson are different fighters. GSP's domination of Fitch was equally impressive as Anderson's KO's or TKO's over the various fighters he has fought in the UFC.

I gotta disagree again and say dominating John Fitch and knocking out Rich Franklin or subbing Hendo are not even in the same ballpark much less equal.

And you are correct Silva looked bad against Chonan with that whole flying sizzer heel bullshit but, over the same time period it's my opinion that Silva has won his fights against top level competition in more impressive fashion.

El Jefe
02-02-2009, 04:41 PM
I gotta disagree again and say dominating John Fitch and knocking out Rich Franklin or subbing Hendo are not even in the same ballpark much less equal.

And you are correct Silva looked bad against Chonan with that whole flying sizzer heel bullshit but, over the same time period it's my opinion that Silva has won his fights against top level competition in more impressive fashion.

I agree.

BigCatDaddy
02-03-2009, 08:04 AM
WOW!!! GSP busted for cheating during the fight. Sounds like this could get serious.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Did-GSP-s-corner-cheat-to-give-him-an-edge-?urn=mma,138156

Katipan
02-03-2009, 08:08 AM
Totally wish I could blame that on BJ's beat down.

Would still totally dance a jig if they stripped the belt from GSP and gave it to the undeserving Penn. :D

raybec 4
02-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Totally wish I could blame that on BJ's beat down.

Would still totally dance a jig if they stripped the belt from GSP and gave it to the undeserving Penn. :D

I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.

BigCatDaddy
02-03-2009, 08:23 AM
I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.

Boxing and MMA both got some nice black eyes recently with Margarito loading up the gloves and not GSP pulling the old Bronco Offensive Lineman crap.

MOhillbilly
02-03-2009, 08:32 AM
I doubt anything will come of this but man I hope so. GSP beat the hell out of BJ but I still can't bring myself to like him, maybe it's the accent.


its the surrender monkey blood GSP carries.

Simplex3
02-03-2009, 09:08 AM
What the hell were they thinking? There are cameras freaking everywhere. You're not going to get away with this and it was obvious he didn't need the extra help. Kind of sad that people have been complaining about this and nobody has done anything about it.

raybec 4
02-03-2009, 10:05 AM
Boxing and MMA both got some nice black eyes recently with Margarito loading up the gloves and not GSP pulling the old Bronco Offensive Lineman crap.

I was truly shocked with the Margarito thing, I really thought he was just one of those Mexican fighters who makes his living with throwing tons of body punches and having an iron chin, what a let down.