General Politics Michael Steele new RNC Chairman [Archive]

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 02:38 PM

It looks like the Hannity\Limbaugh white people ring lose again

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Michael Steele makes history as the first black chairman of the Republican National Committee, and as a rare winner -- at least in part -- of an outside game in what is usually an insider's contest. He won with 91 votes, 6 more than he needed, over South Carolina GOP Chairman Katon Dawson.

Steele's victory also marks a decision by some GOP leaders that to elect a man associated with an all-white country club -- when America just elected a black president, and the GOP itself runs a risk of being branded an all-white club -- was too big a risk to run.

Steele ran in large part on his ability to rebrand the party and to do battle on cable news. Though he is, in fact, quite conservative for the spectrum of American politics, he wasn't the conservative choice, and his win marks a real defeat for elements of the party's conservative wing. For younger Republicans and those seeking a dramatic break from the past, he was the choice, and his win suggests that the party is emerging from the phase of denying that, in the wake of its 2008 rout, it has a problem.

patteeu

01-30-2009, 02:39 PM

I do think it is kind of humorous that they picked a black guy as RNC chair after Obama became POTUS.

You would think they are worried about how they are perceived as being the party of old white people.

Yeah, because Republicans have been holding black guys like Colin Powell and Condi Rice (not to mention Steele himself) back until now. :rolleyes:

jAZ

01-30-2009, 02:40 PM

I think there certainly had to be more qualified candidates.

I don't think that's a strong criticism. He's a strong Repubilcan, IMO.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 02:43 PM

Sarah Palin V. 2.0

Also, how he is qualified for the job? What does he offer and what has he done?

I'm confused. Is this thread about Steele or Obama?

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 02:43 PM

Yeah, because Republicans have been holding black guys like Colin Powell and Condi Rice (not to mention Steele himself) back until now. :rolleyes:

It is obvious to everyone why he was picked and yes the Republican Party is perceived to be the party of old white guys.

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 02:45 PM

I'm confused. Is this thread about Steele or Obama?

So you can't tell two blacks guys apart?

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 02:48 PM

So you can't tell two blacks guys apart?

Experience wise, no.

MagicHef

01-30-2009, 02:49 PM

I don't think that's a strong criticism. He's a strong Repubilcan, IMO.

Oh. Thank you for explaining that to me.

patteeu

01-30-2009, 02:51 PM

It is obvious to everyone why he was picked and yes the Republican Party is perceived to be the party of old white guys.

You're out-jAZing jAZ in this thread.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 02:52 PM

Experience wise, no.

Actually Steele has quite a bit less experience than Obama did.

His only experience is 4 years at Lt. Governor which isn't bad but that is it.

Obama served 12 years as a Legislator.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 02:53 PM

You're out-jAZing jAZ in this thread.

I will take that as a compliment. Thanks Pat. :thumb: :p

patteeu

01-30-2009, 02:53 PM

So you can't tell two blacks guys apart?

:LOL: You deserve an infraction for that and since you didn't vote for my guy I'm thinking about pulling the trigger.

'Hamas' Jenkins

01-30-2009, 02:53 PM

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 02:54 PM

Actually Steele has quite a bit less experience than Obama did.

His only experience is 4 years at Lt. Governor which isn't bad but that is it.

Obama served 12 years as a Legislator.

"Being a Lt. Governor is a lot being a legislator, except a Lt. Governor has actual responsibilities." - Michael Steele 1/30/2009

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 02:55 PM

You know, I used to loathe the guy. But I really came to admire how he walked the fine line between keeping his Republican principles and not jumping head first onto the Obomba bandwagon while acknowledging the historical significance as it related to him and his race. He really proved to be a class act, IMO.

I think as a political move it's probably too late. Had the CONS done this before Obomba occupied the WH it would have had some political benefit but now he has so much of the minority vote in his camp that it will be hard to convince them they would be better served elsewhere.

It will help Republicans in their attempt to convince people they are not a white only party.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 02:55 PM

"Being a Lt. Governor is a lot being a legislator, except a Lt. Governor has actual responsibilities." - Michael Steele 1/30/2009

LMAO Good one

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 02:57 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but Michael Steele is actually 100% AA. Isn't he?

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:01 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but Michael Steele is actually 100% AA. Isn't he?

I think he is but I was reading his wikipedia page and it said during his run for governor people threw Oreo's at him on stage during a debate. I haven't figured out why they would do that

Edit: Nevermind it means a black person that tries to act white or is an uncle tom or likes white women

Chief Henry

01-30-2009, 03:04 PM

Actually Steele has quite a bit less experience than Obama did.

His only experience is 4 years at Lt. Governor which isn't bad but that is it.

Obama served 12 years as a Legislator.

He voted present alot too !

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:06 PM

Edit: Nevermind it means a black person that tries to act white or is an uncle tom or likes white women

I'm confused. Is this thread about Steele or Obama?

Now I'm confused too.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:06 PM

It's going to be hysterical to see this same media that pimped Obomba mercilessly try to impugn and diminish Michael Steel's selection.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:09 PM

Now I'm confused too.

LMAO

Ok that is going to draw a red card

:p

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:09 PM

Hmmm, yes all black people are the same. There is no reason why one black politician would be lauded over the other except for a double standard.

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:10 PM

Now I'm confused too.

Obama does sound like Dave Chapelle's impression of a white news anchor.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:10 PM

It's going to be hysterical to see this same media that pimped Obomba mercilessly try to impugn and diminish Michael Steel's selection.

I would hope they won't unless he makes stupid statements like this:

While speaking to the Baltimore Jewish Council, Michael Steele compared doctors conducting stem cell research to Nazis performing human experiments during the Holocaust: "You of all folks know what happens when people decide to experiment on human beings, when they want to take your life and use it as a tool." [Associated Press, 2/10/06]

|Zach|

01-30-2009, 03:11 PM

It's going to be hysterical to see this same media that pimped Obomba mercilessly try to impugn and diminish Michael Steel's selection.

Yea, look at those rat bastards trying to rip him to threads.

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:12 PM

Steele's first major national exposure was as the GOP's counter to Obama's 2004 DNC keynote address. This guy has really found his niche.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:13 PM

I would hope they won't unless he makes stupid statements like this:

While speaking to the Baltimore Jewish Council, Michael Steele compared doctors conducting stem cell research to Nazis performing human experiments during the Holocaust: "You of all folks know what happens when people decide to experiment on human beings, when they want to take your life and use it as a tool." [Associated Press, 2/10/06]

That sounds consistent with his pro life view just as Obomba's 'punish' his daughters with a baby sounded consistent with his pro choice view. You don't have to like it but you should recognize it's consistent with their individual beliefs on each issue.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:14 PM

Steele's first major national exposure was as the GOP's counter to Obama's 2004 DNC keynote address. This guy has really found his niche.

Are you suggesting that Republicans are using Steele because of his color?

I am shocked...really really shocked.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:15 PM

Yea, look at those rat bastards trying to rip him to threads.

Honey, it just happened a few minutes ago. Give Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow a few minutes to dig up some dirt.

I don't think CNN will go that route except for maybe Jack Cafferty who may ask some poll question and use that to introduce some snide remarks in the process.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:16 PM

Are you suggesting that Republicans are using Steele because of his color?

I am shocked...really really shocked.

They saw how effective it works. Why wouldn't they?

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:17 PM

I do think it is kind of humorous that they picked a black guy as RNC chair after Obama became POTUS.

You would think they are worried about how they are perceived as being the party of old white people.

..another post that makes me think this election is/was about race.

as long as we can get people to concentrate on the adjectives instead of the nouns, we''ll never really move forward.

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:17 PM

They saw how effective it works. Why wouldn't they?

Man, I wish I was black so I could finally catch a break. It sure is tough being white :(

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:19 PM

..another post that makes me think this election is/was about race.

as long as we can get people to concentrate on the adjectives instead of the nouns, we''ll never really move forward.

The election was issues oriented. The cries that the election was all about race is just a bunch of sore losers that can't handle the direction this country is going. Obviously, it couldn't be because Obama was actually the better candidate and that the modern day GOP is a wreck! It must be because African Americans get preferential treatment in this crazy country!

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:21 PM

Yea, look at those rat bastards trying to rip him to threads.

If that was Obama, they would have airbrushed that blemish on his chin out of the picture and they would have added the hint of a halo above his head.

Radar Chief

01-30-2009, 03:21 PM

I think he is but I was reading his wikipedia page and it said during his run for governor people threw Oreo's at him on stage during a debate. I haven't figured out why they would do that

Edit: Nevermind it means a black person that tries to act white or is an uncle tom or likes white women

Oreo’s? Come on dude that’s an old reference.
Black on the outside, white in the middle.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:21 PM

That sounds consistent with his pro life view just as Obomba's 'punish' his daughters with a baby sounded consistent with his pro choice view. You don't have to like it but you should recognize it's consistent with their individual beliefs on each issue.

Sure Denise:

‘‘When I was asked the question about stem cell research, I had just finished speaking at length about my first trip to Israel and the powerful memories I had of my visit to the holocaust museum there,” aSteele said in the statement. ‘‘Those memories have had a lasting impression on me but in no way did I intend to equate the two or trivialize the pain and suffering of more than 6 million Jews.””

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:23 PM

If that was Obama, they would have airbrushed that blemish on his chin out of the picture and they would have added the hint of a halo above his head.

You're a child.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:24 PM

..another post that makes me think this election is/was about race.

as long as we can get people to concentrate on the adjectives instead of the nouns, we''ll never really move forward.

When the first African-American to be the nominee of a major party to run for POTUS of course race is going to be involved. When a women gets that opportunity gender will be involved.

"The electoral map has changed," said GOP media consultant Alex Castellanos, who is backing Steele for the GOP chairmanship. "The GOP can't be reduced to the old white southern country club party, and if we don't expand our ability to reach more female and minority voters ... there aren't enough fish for us to get a good meal. The Republicans need more than token ethnic representation or leadership. We need a message."

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:25 PM

Anyways, this is all pretty unimportant. We all know Rush Limbaugh is the real head of the GOP.

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:25 PM

The election was issues oriented. The cries that the election was all about race is just a bunch of sore losers that can't handle the direction this country is going. Obviously, it couldn't be because Obama was actually the better candidate and that the modern day GOP is a wreck! It must be because African Americans get preferential treatment in this crazy country!

IMO, this post is just the same thing, in a different dress.

a preferential treatment strawman, and another unifying, sourgrapes and sore losers mantra, folowed up with a win with grace attitude...

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:26 PM

Oreo’s? Come on dude that’s an old reference.
Black on the outside, white in the middle.

I know I had heard it before but I couldn't remember what it meant.

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:28 PM

You're a child.

Yes. You're a tomato plant.

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:28 PM

When the first African-American to be the nominee of a major party to run for POTUS of course race is going to be involved. When a women gets that opportunity it will be about gender

First biracial President...

token? there were more minorities in Bush's cabinet than ever before.

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:30 PM

When the first African-American to be the nominee of a major party to run for POTUS of course race is going to be involved. When a women gets that opportunity gender will be involved.

A woman had the chance this time. She had the door slammed in her face by Obama democrats.

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:31 PM

I know I had heard it before but I couldn't remember what it meant.

If you think about what an oreo looks like it will help you remember. You're welcome. :p

Reaper16

01-30-2009, 03:31 PM

First biracial President...

OUR GUY'S BLACKER THAN YOURS

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 03:33 PM

First biracial President...

There is no such thing according the Federal Government

You are either:

white
Black or African American;
American Indian and Alaska Native;
Asian;
Native Hawaiian
Other Pacific Islander

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:34 PM

OUR GUY'S BLACKER THAN YOURS

FACTS OBVIOUSLY CAUSE YO TO CONSTRUE SARCASTIC STRAWMEN.

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:35 PM

There is no such thing according the Federal Government

You are either:

white
Black or African American;
American Indian and Alaska Native;
Asian;
Native Hawaiian
Other Pacific Islander

well, then I guess that makes him white, because on his infamous birth certificate, hi race is categorized by his birth mother..

...sounds like you really need him to be black.

Reaper16

01-30-2009, 03:36 PM

FACTS OBVIOUSLY CAUSE YO TO CONSTRUE SARCASTIC STRAWMEN.
All I'm saying is why bring that up in the first place? Correcting Dirk's use of "African-American" with "biracial" achieves, what, exactly?

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:37 PM

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:38 PM

All I'm saying is why bring that up in the first place? Correcting Dirk's use of "African-American" with "biracial" achieves, what, exactly?

and making him black achieves what, exactly?

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:38 PM

well, then I guess that makes him white, because on his infamous birth certificate, hi race is categorized by his birth mother..

...sounds like you really need him to be black.

I am happy with him as our country's President.

Reaper16

01-30-2009, 03:46 PM

and making him black achieves what, exactly?
Clever way to spin it around so that you don't have to answer me. But I'll answer you anyway: in the context of the Dirk post that you offered a correction for, all it meant was that Obama's candidacy meant that it wasn't white vs white for the first time; because of that, race was going to play a role in the discussion.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:47 PM

patteeu

01-30-2009, 03:47 PM

Is the GOP cynical or just simple-minded? Your opponent is black? Surely you will win with a woman on the ticket? Her politics? Her personality? Her intellect? Inconsequential!

...A black guy is President? Surely the answer is a black guy running our party. His politics? His pers...

Why shouldn't Michael Steele run the party? He's as media-friendly as anyone in the party, he's an experienced politician, he's had experience chairing a party (at the state level) and he's a solid mainstream conservative on most issues. :shrug:

I don't agree with him on everything and he might not have been my first choice (I don't know who ran against him), but I have no problem with him and I think he'll do a good job.

stevieray

01-30-2009, 03:50 PM

achieves the truth. it's a fact...nothing more.

your turn to answer.

Pitt Gorilla

01-30-2009, 03:50 PM

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:50 PM

Why shouldn't Michael Steele run the party? He's as media-friendly as anyone in the party, he's an experienced politician, he's had experience chairing a party (at the state level) and he's a solid mainstream conservative on most issues. :shrug:

I don't agree with him on everything and he might not have been my first choice (I don't know who ran against him), but I have no problem with him and I think he'll do a good job.

Why would he? What has he ever done to show he can pull the GOP out of its massive tailspin?

Reaper16

01-30-2009, 03:57 PM

achieves the truth. it's a fact...nothing more.

your turn to answer.
Answer what? I answered the last question that you asked me.

Also, I find it hard to believe that there wasn't another intention behind correcting Dirk's phrasing. You don't go around just fact checking other posts.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 03:58 PM

Why would he? What has he ever done to show he can pull the GOP out of its massive tailspin?

Same could be asked about Obomba and he ran for POTUS. :doh!:

beer bacon

01-30-2009, 03:59 PM

Same could be asked about Obomba and he ran for POTUS. :doh!:

Hmmm yes, Steele being elected as the RNC chair by the party elites is the exact same thing as Obama waging a two year campaign and winning the election by nine million votes.

stevieray

01-30-2009, 04:03 PM

Answer what? I answered the last question that you asked me.

Also, I find it hard to believe that there wasn't another intention behind correcting Dirk's phrasing. You don't go around just fact checking other posts.

dude, you're flailing...you were answering for dirk, instead of answering my question to you.

the fact that used the us vs them in that reply, indicates I'm on target.

I tired of the inclusiveness that permeates our vocabulary and politcal scene...."we're the ones we've been waiting for'..."you're just butthurt because our guy won and your guy lost"...nothing that even remotely resembles change or unity, just more of the i"Im not you" and "we're not them" social decay that is going to bring us to our knees.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 04:07 PM

Hmmm yes, Steele being elected as the RNC chair by the party elites is the exact same thing as Obama waging a two year campaign and winning the election by nine million votes.

Steele won the lead of a party and you are claiming he's not qualified while Obamba's biggest qualification was that he was a candidate for TWO YEARS. And he's the POTUS. Obomba won with a huge majority of the minority vote. Steele did not have the same luxury.

Look, I'm no fan of either man. IMO they're both being used as pawns for their respective parties. Neither of their parties gives a figgin hoot about their respective race other than using it to get them into power in the first place. BOTH are pawns. One of them will be seen as such by the media while the other will be hailed as the real deal.

It's going be a hoot watching DEMS and the media cry foul about it. They will fail to see the irony.

Reaper16

01-30-2009, 04:13 PM

dude, you're flailing...you were answering for dirk, instead of answering my question to you.

the fact that used the us vs them in that reply, indicates I'm on target.

I tired of the inclusiveness that permeates our vocabulary and politcal scene...."we're the ones we've been waiting for'..."you're just butthurt because our guy won and your guy lost"...nothing that even remotely resembles change or unity, just more of the i"Im not you" and "we're not them" social decay that is going to bring us to our knees.
Sorry for misunderstanding, I didn't realize that you wanted my opinion, actually, because I hadn't brought it into the discussion yet. I intervened because I found your correction of Dirk's post to not be constructive, so my whole intent was to answer "for him."

Why does Obama's being black matter to me, specifically? I'm not sure that it does. It is a nice bonus, imo, but Obama would have been my preferred candidate no matter what his race.

As far as your disdain for "us vs them" politics, I'm inclined to essentially agree with you. Funny thing is, my original, all-caps, sarcastic reply to your correction of Dirk was made because that's what I perceived you to be doing -- utilizing some "us vs them" politics. Sorry if I was incorrect.

orange

01-30-2009, 04:33 PM

It's going be a hoot watching DEMS and the media cry foul about it. They will fail to see the irony.

Why should they bother? When Steele goes to the 'Hood and tells people tax cuts and less government is the way of the future, he'll be met with the same scorn any other Republican would get.

Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, now Michael Steele - just another cookie in the jar.

Rain Man

01-30-2009, 04:35 PM

Trivia: About five years ago, I was in Arkansas doing a focus group, and I was the cameraman. My cell phone rang and I thought I'd turned it off, and I was so surprised that I answered it. It was Michael Steele calling about a potential research project. I'd been told to expect a call from him at some point. However, I was in the middle of filming this group for another client, so I said, "Oh hey, sorry, but I'm right in the middle of a focus group. Can I call you back later?" I called him back later, but he never returned my call. I guess maybe he didn't like being brushed off.

memyselfI

01-30-2009, 04:41 PM

Why should they bother? When Steele goes to the 'Hood and tells people tax cuts and less government is the way of the future, he'll be met with the same scorn any other Republican would get.

Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, now Michael Steele - just another cookie in the jar.

You are right...

for now. After a few years of Obamba and a tanking economy with little help for 'the hood' I think anyone promising change will look attractive. :doh!:

Adept Havelock

01-30-2009, 05:09 PM

I tired of the inclusiveness that permeates our vocabulary and politcal scene...."we're the ones we've been waiting for'..."you're just butthurt because our guy won and your guy lost"...nothing that even remotely resembles change or unity, just more of the i"Im not you" and "we're not them" social decay that is going to bring us to our knees.

Sure, because this nation was always in single-minded lockstep without a hint of divisiveness before we told Ward and June Cleaver to go f*** themselves.

And if we can't get back to that, it's "going to bring us to our knees"? Have you ever read some of the hateful things some of the founding fathers said about the others? We survived that, we'll survive this.

And we'll do it without separate beds for Fred and Ethel.

"Tired of the Inclusiveness"? Sounds like you're tired of divisive rhetoric, not inclusive. :hmmm:

What's wrong with "I'm not you", anyway? I can't be anyone but myself. AFAICS, to pretend otherwise gets you a nice dayroom visit with 3 Napoleons', 4 Abraham Lincolns', and a bakers dozen of Jesus' (Jesusi?).

stevieray

01-30-2009, 05:13 PM

Sure, because this nation was always in single-minded lockstep without a hint of divisiveness before we told Ward and June Cleaver to go f*** themselves.

And if we can't get back to that, it's "going to bring us to our knees". ROFL

:spock:

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 05:20 PM

Sure, because this nation was always without a hint of divisiveness before we told Ward and June Cleaver to go f*** themselves.

And if we can't get back to that, it's "going to bring us to our knees"? Have you ever read some of the hateful things some of the founding fathers said about the others? We survived that, we'll survive this.

And we'll do it without separate beds for Fred and Ethel.

"Tired of the Inclusiveness"? :hmmm:

Ward and June Cleaver?

ROFL

Michael Savage is right, liberalism is a mental disorder.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:08 PM

I wonder why they picked him

:Poke:

For the record I think Michael Steele is a good person and is obviously qualified for the job.Because Obama is president na.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:11 PM

I do think it is kind of humorous that they picked a black guy as RNC chair after Obama became POTUS.

You would think they are worried about how they are perceived as being the party of old white people.Why is this an issue for you?

We picked a highly qualified conservative that happens to be black. You know, it truely is amazing that you see the color of his skin first.

Shame on you.

So was Clarence Thomas

So is Thomas Sowel

So is Condoleeza Rice

Colin Powell is a back stabbing sonofabitch.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:14 PM

It looks like the Hannity\Limbaugh white people ring lose againFirst of all, the quote you quoted is as slanted to your world view as a Kieth Olberman op ed piece on the effectiveness of W on the WOT.

Secondly, I find your comments racist.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:15 PM

It is obvious to everyone why he was picked and yes the Republican Party is perceived to be the party of old white guys.Only to racists like you.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:16 PM

Experience wise, no.Steele isn't running for president.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:17 PM

Actually Steele has quite a bit less experience than Obama did.

His only experience is 4 years at Lt. Governor which isn't bad but that is it.

Obama served 12 years as a Legislator.Steele isn't running for President.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:18 PM

Sully

01-30-2009, 06:19 PM

Obama does sound like Dave Chapelle's impression of a white news anchor.

I never thought of that, but you are right.

Calcountry

01-30-2009, 06:19 PM

I think he is but I was reading his wikipedia page and it said during his run for governor people threw Oreo's at him on stage during a debate. I haven't figured out why they would do that

Edit: Nevermind it means a black person that tries to act white or is an uncle tom or likes white womenOh, I am sure you know exactly why they did that. Perhaps you can educate us on a few more choice, racist terms for conservative African Americans?

Donger

01-30-2009, 06:22 PM

I don't care what color his skin is, as long as he's a conservative.

penchief

01-30-2009, 06:27 PM

I don't care what color his skin is, as long as he's a conservative.

I think you got what you want. I'm glad it wasn't Karl Rove but he's still too far out of the mainstream for me. Listening to him state the republican party's case during the past couple of campaigns has only led me to believe he will be a better PR representative for the same failed domestic and economic policies of the republican party.

Donger

01-30-2009, 06:29 PM

I think you got what you want. I'm glad it wasn't Karl Rove but he's still too far out of the mainstream for me. Listening to him state the republican party's case during the past couple of campaigns has only led me to believe he will be a better PR representative for the same failed domestic and economic policies of the republican party.

You mean he's not a Socialist? Color me happy.

penchief

01-30-2009, 06:34 PM

You mean he's not a Socialist? Color me happy.

No, he's a conservative (by today's definition). Which is why I think it might turn out to be a shrewd move if he can portray more moderation than he has in the past. It may have been a transparent pick on behalf of those who wanted to change the face of the republican party but it is good choice for those in the party that call their politics conservative, IMO.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 06:43 PM

Now I'm confused too.

No shit. I guess in a blink of an eye color makes a difference.

There are some very pitiful posts on this thread. I guess color only mean something if the guy is on their side.

jAZ gets it. Kudos to him.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 06:45 PM

Steele isn't running for president.

Thanks for getting my point.

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 06:45 PM

jAZ gets it. Kudos to him.

Gotta give credit where credit is due; I'm with you.

:clap:

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 06:47 PM

When Steele goes to the 'Hood and tells people tax cuts and less government is the way of the future, he'll be met with the same scorn any other Republican would get.

What do you mean by "the 'Hood"?

Donger

01-30-2009, 06:49 PM

Why should they bother? When Steele goes to the 'Hood and tells people tax cuts and less government is the way of the future, he'll be met with the same scorn any other Republican would get.

Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, now Michael Steele - just another cookie in the jar.

I love it. I suppose the only way to get respect in "the hood" is to promote more government and more taxes on "the rich"?

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 06:50 PM

I love it. I suppose the only way to get respect in "the hood" is to promote more government and more taxes on "the rich"?

We caught the prototypical white liberal in an unguarded moment revealing what he truly thinks about black people:

They all live in a "Hood" and collect welfare.

penchief

01-30-2009, 06:51 PM

We caught the prototypical white liberal in an unguarded moment revealing what he truly thinks about black people:

The all live in a "Hood" and collect welfare.

Good one.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 06:54 PM

I wonder why they picked him

:Poke:

For the record I think Michael Steele is a good person and is obviously qualified for the job.

FTR you started a thread with racist intent.

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 06:56 PM

Good one.

It's the truth, Penchief. White liberals think all black people are a monolith that needs the democrat party as some sort of amorphous overseer to keep the imaginary white racist devil perpetually under caveat lest Ward and June Cleaver rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the fifties.

I mean, to any rational thinking person, the narrative is ridiculous and laughable.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 06:58 PM

It's the truth, Penchief. White liberals think all black people are a monolith that needs the democrat party as some sort of amorphous overseer to keep the imaginary white racist devil perpetually under caveat lest Ward and June Cleaver rise like a phoenix from the ashes of the fifties.

I mean, to any rational thinking person, the narrative is ridiculous and laughable.

WTF? In English?

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 07:00 PM

WTF? In English?

That is English. If you have trouble with multi-sylallabic words, sound them out.

Sully

01-30-2009, 07:06 PM

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 07:11 PM

Wow.

Indeed, wow. The last thing we need is to bring the fifties back, when black illigitimacy was less than 20%.

Liberalism has done wonders for the black family-- it's now over 70%.

penchief

01-30-2009, 07:22 PM

Indeed, wow. The last thing we need is to bring the fifties back, when black illigitimacy was less than 20%.

Liberalism has done wonders for the black family-- it's now over 75%.

Ronald Reagan tried to bring back the fifties. Reviving the fifties is a conservative's wet dream. Reagan sold conservatives on the idea that he was John Wayne. Conservatives are always resisting progress or trying to turn back the clock. Your claim is just another classic example of projection.

SHTSPRAYER

01-30-2009, 07:25 PM

Ronald Reagan tried to bring back the fifties. Reviving the fifties is a conservative's wet dream. Reagan sold conservatives on the idea that he was John Wayne. Conservatives are always resisting progress or trying to turn back the clock. Your claim is just another classic example of projection.

It's all part of your silly narrative: the fifties were evil.

There are good things and bad things in all historical decades. But for some reason, libs hold up the fifties like it's some evil totem. I don't get it.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 07:35 PM

Indeed, wow. The last thing we need is to bring the fifties back, when black illigitimacy was less than 20%.

Liberalism has done wonders for the black family-- it's now over 70%.

I think I get you now. You think liberalism is the cause for the strife African-Americans now live with.

I think it's more complex. You're talking about a group of people for the most part who's ancestors came against their will, and then were held down for more than a couple hundred years.

I don't question for one minute why a race living in this country with that background hasn't flourished at the same levels others have.

People like Obama, Powell, Rice, Watts, and countless others will eventually get their race to the same level of acceptance so we won't have stupid threads like this in the first place.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 07:39 PM

Ronald Reagan tried to bring back the fifties. Reviving the fifties is a conservative's wet dream. Reagan sold conservatives on the idea that he was John Wayne. Conservatives are always resisting progress or trying to turn back the clock. Your claim is just another classic example of projection.

Ronald Reagan was/is popular because he sold the idea Americans could do anything they put their minds to. Race, religion really had no bearing in it.

penchief

01-30-2009, 07:44 PM

It's all part of your silly narrative: the fifties were evil.

There are good things and bad things in all historical decades. But for some reason, libs hold up the fifties like it's some evil totem. I don't get it.

Who said the fifties were evil? Let's just not confuse who it is that wants to relive the fifties.

penchief

01-30-2009, 07:46 PM

Ronald Reagan was/is popular because he sold the idea Americans could do anything they put their minds to. Race, religion really had no bearing in it.

His fifties' John Wayne cowboy image had a lot to do with his appeal to conservatives.

mlyonsd

01-30-2009, 07:55 PM

His fifties' John Wayne cowboy image had a lot to do with his appeal to conservatives.

I voted for him in 1980 and had never seen one of his movies. I'm telling you, I think you misunderstand Reagan. Maybe someday you'll try and explain it to someone why you voted for Obama in 2008.

Adept Havelock

01-30-2009, 07:57 PM

Ronald Reagan was/is popular because he sold the idea Americans could do anything they put their minds to. Race, religion really had no bearing in it.

Yes. "Morning in America" after Nixon/Ford/Carter was a powerful message.

penchief

01-30-2009, 08:04 PM

I voted for him in 1980 and had never seen one of his movies. I'm telling you, I think you misunderstand Reagan. Maybe someday you'll try and explain it to someone why you voted for Obama in 2008.

First, I never injected race or religion into it. That was shitslinger who did that. I was only trying to refute his delusional claim that liberals want to relive the fifties because they want to turn the clock back on civil rights. Last time I checked, it was liberals who were marching in the streets for that change and conservatives who were resisting that change.

As far as Ronald Reagan goes, I'll agree that some people may have seen what they wanted to see but there is no misunderstanding on my part. I followed his politics very closely from the time he campaigned for the 80 election all the way through his two terms. He is the godfather of the neocon movement, neo-right wing fundamentalism, neomilitary aggression, neo economic and environmental deregulation, neo corporate supremacy, and the impetus for the modern push to blur the line between government and religion. I disapproved of it every bit as much then as I do now.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 08:23 PM

well, then I guess that makes him white, because on his infamous birth certificate, hi race is categorized by his birth mother..

...sounds like you really need him to be black.

Actually it lists both.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 08:26 PM

Why shouldn't Michael Steele run the party? He's as media-friendly as anyone in the party, he's an experienced politician, he's had experience chairing a party (at the state level) and he's a solid mainstream conservative on most issues. :shrug:

I don't agree with him on everything and he might not have been my first choice (I don't know who ran against him), but I have no problem with him and I think he'll do a good job.

I agree with this post and that is why he is RNC Chair. The chair of both parties have to be media savvy and be able to communicate good and appear on TV alot. Steele meets all those criteria. I had no idea who that other guy he was running against I don't think I have ever saw him on TV.

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 08:30 PM

First of all, the quote you quoted is as slanted to your world view as a Kieth Olberman op ed piece on the effectiveness of W on the WOT.

Secondly, I find your comments racist.

Only to racists like you.

Hey bunny maybe you should read what I quoted in earlier post from a Republican consultant who stated that the Republican is perceived as the old white party. Is he racist too? BS I am just stating what people perceive.

"The electoral map has changed," said GOP media consultant Alex Castellanos, who is backing Steele for the GOP chairmanship. "The GOP can't be reduced to the old white southern country club party, and if we don't expand our ability to reach more female and minority voters ... there aren't enough fish for us to get a good meal. The Republicans need more than token ethnic representation or leadership. We need a message."

dirk digler

01-30-2009, 08:32 PM

FTR you started a thread with racist intent.

Yeah that is why I used the :Poke:smilie and said Michael Steele is good man and qualified for the job.

People talk about people from the left being sensitive but geez some of you guys need to shake the sand from your vagina.

orange

01-31-2009, 12:49 AM

What do you mean by "the 'Hood"?

I love it. I suppose the only way to get respect in "the hood" is to promote more government and more taxes on "the rich"?

We caught the prototypical white liberal in an unguarded moment revealing what he truly thinks about black people:

They all live in a "Hood" and collect welfare.

Damn, you guys are stupid.

Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele yesterday said his U.S. Senate campaign aims to bring "the 'hood" with him to Capitol Hill.

"The 'hood is going to show up on the Hill," said Mr. Steele, a black Republican. "That is what this campaign is all about, and that scares some people when I say stuff like that -- on both sides of the aisle, God bless them."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jul/11/20060711-103044-7927r/

ROFLROFLROFL

Why don't you ask your new Chairman what the 'hood is?

After the speech, Mr. Steele told The Washington Times that his comments were not intended to single out black voters.

"Last time I checked, white people lived in 'hoods, too," he said. "It is the same message for everyone. If you want to start a business, that's not a black thing or a white thing. That's green, baby. That's what that's about."

SHTSPRAYER

01-31-2009, 07:31 AM

Damn, you guys are stupid.

Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele yesterday said his U.S. Senate campaign aims to bring "the 'hood" with him to Capitol Hill.

"The 'hood is going to show up on the Hill," said Mr. Steele, a black Republican. "That is what this campaign is all about, and that scares some people when I say stuff like that -- on both sides of the aisle, God bless them."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jul/11/20060711-103044-7927r/

ROFLROFLROFL

Why don't you ask your new Chairman what the 'hood is?

After the speech, Mr. Steele told The Washington Times that his comments were not intended to single out black voters.

"Last time I checked, white people lived in 'hoods, too," he said. "It is the same message for everyone. If you want to start a business, that's not a black thing or a white thing. That's green, baby. That's what that's about."

Oh, you got me. :rolleyes:

Sorry I wouldn't know that, I don't care about the republican party. Apparently you do, so who is the stupid one?

:)

SHTSPRAYER

01-31-2009, 07:33 AM

First, I never injected race or religion into it. That was shitslinger who did that.

No actually it was Dirk Digler.

patteeu

01-31-2009, 08:40 AM

Why would he? What has he ever done to show he can pull the GOP out of its massive tailspin?

"Why would he" what?

patteeu

01-31-2009, 08:52 AM

dirk digler

01-31-2009, 08:57 AM

It will be interesting to hear from someone like valipass who was openly critical of Michelle Obama's use of words and phrases like baby mama now explain how he feels about Michael Steele as RNC Chairman when he calls Bush his homeboy and now the hood references.

For me I don't care I think it is cool but it will be just interesting to hear their takes.

jAZ

01-31-2009, 09:06 AM

Steele isn't running for President.

Without suggesting that Obama is incapable of succeeding as President... I agree wit this 100%.

The Party Chair role is a purely political one in the truest sense. Steele has exactly the sort of experience you'd expect for someone in that role.

He was state party chair, he ran GOPAC, he ran for statewide office twice Lt Gov and Senate.

He's better able than just about anyone in the party that I'm aware of to recast the party away from the things I've long dispised about it. And from what I understand he's basically a conservative Repubilcan. His "Steele Demorat" claims were pure polical garbage, and not a reflection of a moderate orientation. And from a Rovian "do what ever it takes" perspective, he's more than qualified. In fact, that's the main reason why I don't really respect that guy as a public leader, but that sort of flaw expands his qualifications as a party leader.

And his likable style, his skin color and past attributions as a "Democrat" will help him win the media favor as a supposed moderate much like McCain.

The Republicans choice came down to the Southern racists' choice or a black man from a swing state. The they just saved their party from taking a big step backwards after a serious defeat and becoming a further marginalized and more regional party.

Good choice for them.

patteeu

01-31-2009, 09:11 AM

Yeah that is why I used the :Poke:smilie and said Michael Steele is good man and qualified for the job.

People talk about people from the left being sensitive but geez some of you guys need to shake the sand from your vagina.

The :Poke: indicates that you knew you were trolling and race was obviously your bait. I can tell the difference between messageboard hijinks and hate though.

Dave Lane

01-31-2009, 09:15 AM

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2009/01/31/congratulations_chairman_micha.html#comment-238988503

Well, it looks like My Republican Party went and named one of Those People to lead it.

When I first heard a new leader was elected I was pretty worked up and excited. I was already seeing the day when God would be back in the White House. No abortions. More tax cuts. Putting business back in charge. Family Values guiding us. The little stems would be safe from the scientists that want to use their cells for evil reasons and kill a bunch of babys.

Then I seen the guy on TV. Yup, blacker than the ace of spades. He could of come right out of the cotton fields. I like to fell on the floor.

Us rednecks spend all these years coming up with ways to keep Those People in their place, even switching to Republican, and here our party went and named one to lead us. We were the White Party. You could see it on TV with all the white faces at the convention. Now the people at the top turned everything upside down. I just can’t imagine how the good old boys up here will act when the leader of the Republican Party gets innerduced and they see one of Those People step up. I imagine Joe Bill will outright have a heart attack so I’m going to have to tell him about it real slow and easy to get rid of the shock.

That settles it. I’m switching to Libraritarian along with Raghead. The Republicans might gain 15 or 20 more votes from Those People, but they’ll lose alot more of us godly Americans. We went and joined the party to get rid of these equal rights laws and they turn around and betray us. You just can’t trust nobody no more.

It’s just disgusting. Next thing you know the party platform will be full of this equal rights junk and welfare and everything else Southren people hate. They’re even taking our party away from us. It won’t even be called the Southren Party no more. Where is old Strom when we need him? Why’d he have to up and die on us and leave us like this?

Have a good weekend everybody. It’s early but I’m hitting the PBR hard to dull the pain.

stevieray

01-31-2009, 09:18 AM

[QUOTE=jAZ;5443035 his skin color will help him win the media favor

Southern racists' choice or a black man .[/QUOTE]

another post with phrases that show that the election was based on race.

dirk digler

01-31-2009, 10:45 AM

The :Poke: indicates that you knew you were trolling and race was obviously your bait. I can tell the difference between messageboard hijinks and hate though.

Whatever. I was having a little bit of fun. Lighten up Francis....or is it Patricia? :p

patteeu

01-31-2009, 11:29 AM

Whatever. I was having a little bit of fun. Lighten up Francis....or is it Patricia? :p

I'm sure SHTSPRAYER was just having a little bit of fun too.

FWIW, I'm already lightened up. I'm not being critical of you. I recognize it for what it is. I don't blow these things out of proportion just so I can get outraged about them.

patteeu

01-31-2009, 11:30 AM

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2009/01/31/congratulations_chairman_micha.html#comment-238988503

Well, it looks like My Republican Party went and named one of Those People to lead it.

When I first heard a new leader was elected I was pretty worked up and excited. I was already seeing the day when God would be back in the White House. No abortions. More tax cuts. Putting business back in charge. Family Values guiding us. The little stems would be safe from the scientists that want to use their cells for evil reasons and kill a bunch of babys.

Then I seen the guy on TV. Yup, blacker than the ace of spades. He could of come right out of the cotton fields. I like to fell on the floor.

Us rednecks spend all these years coming up with ways to keep Those People in their place, even switching to Republican, and here our party went and named one to lead us. We were the White Party. You could see it on TV with all the white faces at the convention. Now the people at the top turned everything upside down. I just can’t imagine how the good old boys up here will act when the leader of the Republican Party gets innerduced and they see one of Those People step up. I imagine Joe Bill will outright have a heart attack so I’m going to have to tell him about it real slow and easy to get rid of the shock.

That settles it. I’m switching to Libraritarian along with Raghead. The Republicans might gain 15 or 20 more votes from Those People, but they’ll lose alot more of us godly Americans. We went and joined the party to get rid of these equal rights laws and they turn around and betray us. You just can’t trust nobody no more.

It’s just disgusting. Next thing you know the party platform will be full of this equal rights junk and welfare and everything else Southren people hate. They’re even taking our party away from us. It won’t even be called the Southren Party no more. Where is old Strom when we need him? Why’d he have to up and die on us and leave us like this?

Have a good weekend everybody. It’s early but I’m hitting the PBR hard to dull the pain.

Sounds like a Colbert-ish put on to me. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that this guy voted for Obama.

Calcountry

01-31-2009, 11:34 AM

Calcountry

01-31-2009, 11:38 AM

Indeed, wow. The last thing we need is to bring the fifties back, when black illigitimacy was less than 20%.

Liberalism has done wonders for the black family-- it's now over 70%.Illiteracy knows no color, it is equal opportunity. Xbox anyone?

Reaper16

01-31-2009, 11:46 AM

Illiteracy knows no color, it is equal opportunity. Xbox anyone?
What does this mean?

Calcountry

01-31-2009, 12:04 PM

First, I never injected race or religion into it. That was shitslinger who did that. I was only trying to refute his delusional claim that liberals want to relive the fifties because they want to turn the clock back on civil rights. Last time I checked, it was liberals who were marching in the streets for that change and conservatives who were resisting that change.

As far as Ronald Reagan goes, I'll agree that some people may have seen what they wanted to see but there is no misunderstanding on my part. I followed his politics very closely from the time he campaigned for the 80 election all the way through his two terms. He is the godfather of the neocon movement, neo-right wing fundamentalism, neomilitary aggression, neo economic and environmental deregulation, neo corporate supremacy, and the impetus for the modern push to blur the line between government and religion. I disapproved of it every bit as much then as I do now.No, dirk dickler injected race into it.

Calcountry

01-31-2009, 12:08 PM

another post with phrases that show that the election was based on race.They just don't get it.

orange

01-31-2009, 12:56 PM

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2009/01/31/congratulations_chairman_micha.html#comment-238988503

Well, it looks like My Republican Party went and named one of Those People to lead it.

...

Have a good weekend everybody. It’s early but I’m hitting the PBR hard to dull the pain.

Sounds like a Colbert-ish put on to me. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that this guy voted for Obama.

I'm sure you're right and that comment is a put-on. I found the editorial above it interesting, too.

Congratulations, Chairman Michael Steele
By Jay Bookman | Saturday, January 31, 2009, 08:09 AM

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

So I see the Republicans went and elected Michael Steele as their party chairman. The final ballot came down to Steele, a black man, and Katon Dawson of South Carolina, who until a few months ago was still a member of a whites-only country club. Steele won, 91-77. Under those circumstances, a Dawson win would have been disastrous for party image.

Although he tried to deny it in his campaign for chairman, Steele is more moderate than many in his party’s base, and I wish him success in bringing them back a bit toward the middle. The GOP has basically rendered itself uncompetitive, and that’s not good for anybody in the long term — not for the Republicans; not for the Democrats, who need the competition to keep them straight; and not for the country as a whole.

As Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky warned his fellow Republicans last week, “the Republican Party seems to be slipping into a position of being more of a regional party than a national one. In politics, there’s a name for a regional party: It’s called a minority party.” McConnell also urged them to expand their outreach to minorities, an effort in which Steele could be a big help.

When I saw the news about Steele, though, I couldn’t help thinking about University of Alabama football and their legendary coach Paul “Bear” Bryant. Well into the civil rights era, years after the university itself had been desegregated, the Alabama football team was still lily white. Bryant claimed later that he was afraid of fan reaction if he dared to recruit a black man.

USC’s Sam “Bam” Cunningham breaks through the Alabama line on his way to two touchdowns in a famous game in 1970.

Finally, in 1970, Bryant scheduled the University of Southern California for a game in Birmingham. USC’s black fullback, Sam “Bam” Cunningham, ran right over the Alabama players. He gained 135 yards on just 12 carries, scoring two touchdowns, and USC won the game 42-21, a humiliating defeat for Alabama on its home turf.

And legend has it that up in the stands that day, Alabama fans watched what Cunningham was doing to them, turned to each other and said: “Boys, we gotta get us one of those.”

I think that’s what happened to the Republicans. They looked at Obama and his popularity; they looked at the scoreboard, at the number of seats they’ve lost in the Senate and House. And they turned to each other and said, “Boys…”

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p.s. That AJC comment was pretty good, but it can't touch the irony of post #136 above (by bunnytrdr). :doh!:

trndobrd

02-02-2009, 03:18 AM

What the media didn't report was the break the Republican party has made with the Bush administration dominance of the past 8 years. Steele was the only candidate who was not a member of the Republican National Committee.

As far as qualifications are concerned, as jAZ correctly pointed out, Steele was the chair of GOPAC which carries tremendous weight in Republican circles. He has been credited with reenergizing GOPAC, rebuilding the party at the local level, and developing a good farm team of R candidates. That he is charismatic, telegenic and a tremendous fundraiser just sweetens the deal.

I had the opportunity to share a 3 hour car ride with him last year and found him to be likeable, intellectually curious, and very interested in party development at the local level.