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DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 09:49 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/1011414.html

At last, Derrick Thomas is going to the Hall of Fame

TAMPA, Fla. | When Derrick Thomas’ name was announced for inclusion in the 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame class, his mother screeched and the five-year wait for this moment turned inconsequential.

Derrick Thomas is a football immortal. His name is forever linked to Lawrence Taylor’s and Dick Butkus’ and Reggie White’s and all the other all-time defensive greats. And now we know we watched, chronicled and celebrated a Hall of Famer.

D.T. to Canton is our Super Bowl run, the payoff for 20 years of dedication to Chiefs football.

Thomas’ induction into the Hall of Fame is the most important, tangible accomplishment of the Carl Peterson era. The sellout crowds, the sparkling regular-season records in the 1990s, the additions of Joe Montana and Marcus Allen — none of those feats compares to the club’s homegrown franchise player having his career immortalized in Canton, Ohio.

For us, D.T. defined the just-completed era of Kansas City football. Now the definition has been broadened. What Thomas achieved in a Chiefs uniform helped define an entire league.

When the writers vote a player into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, they’re saying the NFL’s story can’t be properly told without the player’s inclusion.

The chapter on Derrick Thomas will be as compelling as any told in Canton.

When Bruce Smith, a fellow 2009 inductee, was asked to comment on Thomas, Smith’s initial remarks revolved around Thomas’ work in the community. In the years since Thomas’ tragic death, his legend as a man has grown more than his legend on the field.

I know that makes some of you uncomfortable. The fact that Thomas irresponsibly fathered at least seven children out of wedlock means that many of you feel it is inappropriate to celebrate his humanity.

I respectfully disagree. It is both possible and necessary to rebuke the negative and rejoice in the positive of any man’s life. Thomas was birthed into a flawed world, raised in a flawed environment (a father who died in the Vietnam War and a mother who left for a time) and did the best he could to find his place in this world. That is not a rationalization of his behavior. It’s acknowledgment that abandonment leaves real scars that often take a lifetime to heal.

Thomas’ journey was cut short by a car accident. I liked the path that he was on.

He had a commitment to children raised in situations similar to his own. His Third and Long literacy foundation was a trailblazer in professional sports. President George H.W. Bush recognized Thomas’ charitable endeavors, naming him one of a thousand points of light. The NFL bestowed its man of the year award on Thomas.

Derrick Thomas literally wanted to save the world from poverty and pain. He gave away way too much money. His inner circle of extended “family” included people from every walk of life and every age, sex, race and occupation imaginable.

D.T. collected everything in bunches — cars, friends, clothes, lovers and sacks.

Yeah, let’s not forget about football. Thomas rushed the quarterback when the league was in its transitional phase to the short, West Coast passing game. The style of attack was set up to eliminate the impact of speed rushers.

Thomas was a must-be-accounted-for force. He perfected the art of the tomahawk-strip sack. Every defensive player in the league chops at the football now when making a tackle. They’re mimicking Derrick Thomas.

You know the numbers, the 126 1/2 sacks, the seven-sack game, the forced fumble once every four games and the nine Pro Bowl appearances.

The numbers don’t define Derrick Thomas. That’s why he had to wait to be enshrined. To appreciate Thomas, to fully understand his influence, you had to experience him on a regular basis. His personality gave the Chiefs a swagger they’ve never been able to replace. In that way, Thomas was like Baltimore middle linebacker Ray Lewis minus the pregame dance.

Thomas gave the Chiefs a chance to win every game. You never knew when he’d cause a turnover that would swing the contest.

The timing of his induction into the Hall of Fame seems ideal now. It’s a wonderful close to the Peterson era. Hiring Marty Schottenheimer and drafting Derrick Thomas with the fourth pick of the 1989 draft were Peterson’s two best and biggest decisions.

Peterson hit a double with Schottenheimer and a home run with Thomas. Kansas City will be forever grateful.

Count Zarth
01-31-2009, 09:55 PM
I respectfully disagree. It is both possible and necessary to rebuke the negative and rejoice in the positive of any man’s life. Thomas was birthed into a flawed world, raised in a flawed environment (a father who died in the Vietnam War and a mother who left for a time) and did the best he could to find his place in this world. That is not a rationalization of his behavior. It’s acknowledgment that abandonment leaves real scars that often take a lifetime to heal.

This is a great take. Thomas was only 33 when he died. Often forgotten. I bet he would have been a great family man if he had lived.

DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 09:59 PM
This is a great take. Thomas was only 33 when he died. Often forgotten. I bet he would have been a great family man if he had lived.

Possibly. 33 is still very young.

This was a classy article by Whitlock, especially the final paragraph. Lots of truth here.

Color Red
01-31-2009, 10:20 PM
This is a great take. Thomas was only 33 when he died. Often forgotten. I bet he would have been a great family man if he had lived.

Your comment was unnecessary and tragically shallow. I'll keep my comments short and I don't even want to make them in light of Derrick's HOF enshrinement.

Apparently Thomas had a generous and big heart. You say he would have been a great family man, but to which family? And which other children he fathered and their families would have been left out?

Don't lose site of my honor for a great pro and humanitarian. I'm a DT fan too. But don't project a nostalgic light on what was obviously an area of irresponsible behavior on his part. Your sending an inaccurate message.

Count Zarth
01-31-2009, 10:23 PM
Of course it was irresponsible. Whitlock was making the point that people raised the way DT was raised often do irresponsible things. Especially when they get money.

unothadeal
01-31-2009, 10:27 PM
The timing of his induction into the Hall of Fame seems ideal now. It’s a wonderful close to the Peterson era. Hiring Marty Schottenheimer and drafting Derrick Thomas with the fourth pick of the 1989 draft were Peterson’s two best and biggest decisions.

:hmmm: That's pretty cool when you think about it. Full circle.

Demonpenz
01-31-2009, 10:27 PM
seven fucking kids. How much do you have to fuck and have a woman be ovulating for this to happen. I am guessing he had sex 2 or 3 times a day with different woman

DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 10:28 PM
seven ****ing kids. How much do you have to **** and have a woman be ovulating for this to happen. I am guessing he had sex 2 or 3 times a day with different woman

Even his sperm was HOF worthy.

Demonpenz
01-31-2009, 10:31 PM
Even his sperm was HOF worthy.

no shit sweet inside move!

Count Zarth
01-31-2009, 10:33 PM
Even his sperm was HOF worthy.

Maybe we haven't considered this enough. Maybe DT was just doing his part for future football generations. The more offspring he had, the more women he spread his seed across, the better the chance for another quick-twitch athlete.

Maybe you have to fuck 40 times a week to produce Derrick Thomas 2.0!

Deberg_1990
01-31-2009, 10:36 PM
seven ****ing kids. How much do you have to **** and have a woman be ovulating for this to happen. I am guessing he had sex 2 or 3 times a day with different woman


I have zero doubt that DT was having any more sex than your average young, single, multi-millionare athlete.

His biggest mistake would appear to have been lack of protection....

DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 10:36 PM
no shit sweet inside move!

Perfected the swim technique.

Demonpenz
01-31-2009, 10:37 PM
I have zero doubt that DT was having any more sex than your average young, single, multi-millionare athlete.

His biggest mistake would appear to have been lack of protection....

pull out wtf? I mean seriously I have exploded in alot of girls game genie's and I never once got an extra life

DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 10:40 PM
Whitlock one time mentioned that he had an ex girlfriend who went Porky Pigging with DT, while she was still dating JWhit.

This made me wonder about the quality of girls DT was regularly banging. I mean, how hot could Whitlock's ex have been? Dude has some money, but...

Ari Chi3fs
01-31-2009, 10:41 PM
This article made me misty...

Its kind of funny, but my FIRST Chiefs game EVER... was DT's 7 sack game... and we left before Krieg evaded #8... my friends dad wanted to "beat teh traffic"... and I thought we had won until I saw the highlights when we got home... heh.

True story. I wish I still had that ticket stub!

Ari Chi3fs
01-31-2009, 10:43 PM
I served DT when I bartended down in westport... Courvousier and Coke. After a few rounds for him and his friends, he tipped me a $50. He liked that my first game ever was his 7 sack game.

T-post Tom
01-31-2009, 10:46 PM
"His personality gave the Chiefs a swagger they’ve never been able to replace."

Sad, but true.

Deberg_1990
01-31-2009, 10:48 PM
Sounds like DT was basically the LJ of his day.


Except he didnt beat up his women....

Count Zarth
01-31-2009, 10:49 PM
Sounds like DT was basically the LJ of his day.


Except he didnt beat up his women....

DT had a much brighter personality.

Larry is a drama queen.

Demonpenz
01-31-2009, 10:53 PM
Lj's has never had a kid, and that kid will never use payday loans

T-post Tom
01-31-2009, 10:54 PM
Sounds like DT was basically the LJ of his day. Except he didnt beat up his women....

Not even close. On or off the field.

Demonpenz
01-31-2009, 10:55 PM
LJ will never be DT on the field or off the road *edit* field

Deberg_1990
01-31-2009, 10:57 PM
Not even close. On or off the field.

Heh, i probably should have worded that differently.

But i meant it as off the field. Not on.

But as GoChiefs mentioned, DT had a far sunnier disposition. LJ has anger issues.

DeezNutz
01-31-2009, 10:58 PM
LJ has anger issues.

What can you expect? He comes from one of the toughest upper middle-class suburbs in the country.

There were times during his youth when his parents' cars didn't have leather. Other anecdotes are too disturbing to relate.

blueballs
01-31-2009, 11:47 PM
Whitlock in love or something
there's been a lack of attach lately

ChiefsCountry
02-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Whitlock writes another good article. I know alot of you hate him but he writes alot of good stuff.

Mojo Rising
02-01-2009, 01:08 AM
Your comment was unnecessary and tragically shallow. I'll keep my comments short and I don't even want to make them in light of Derrick's HOF enshrinement.

Apparently Thomas had a generous and big heart. You say he would have been a great family man, but to which family? And which other children he fathered and their families would have been left out?

Don't lose site of my honor for a great pro and humanitarian. I'm a DT fan too. But don't project a nostalgic light on what was obviously an area of irresponsible behavior on his part. Your sending an inaccurate message.


I agree. He was a great pass rusher. Because of his skills he made a lot of money and the skirts chased him like Dave Krieg on a 7 sack day because of that. I probably would have been the same if I were in his shoes.

However, to infer he would all of a sudden become a family man is BS.

The alibi that he couldn't be a real father because his dad was shot down is a slap to the face of every other child who also lost their Dad in Vietnam. My wife's father recieved a purple heart after he was shot down in Vietnam and she is an excellent family person.

kysirsoze
02-01-2009, 03:26 AM
I agree. He was a great pass rusher. Because of his skills he made a lot of money and the skirts chased him like Dave Krieg on a 7 sack day because of that. I probably would have been the same if I were in his shoes.

However, to infer he would all of a sudden become a family man is BS.

The alibi that he couldn't be a real father because his dad was shot down is a slap to the face of every other child who also lost their Dad in Vietnam. My wife's father recieved a purple heart after he was shot down in Vietnam and she is an excellent family person.

Everybody should drop the personal stuff. I don't think anyone on here actually knew him or what he did on a day to day basis. I'm not saying he was a saint cause I never met the guy, but anything I tried to say would be based on hearsay and bullshit. All I know for sure is he is one of the greatest Chiefs of all time and now he's finally being recognized. That's all that matters.

wazu
02-01-2009, 07:33 AM
What can you expect? He comes from one of the toughest upper middle-class suburbs in the country.

There were times during his youth when his parents' cars didn't have leather. Other anecdotes are too disturbing to relate.

ROFL

Luke the Drifter
02-01-2009, 07:50 AM
I believe it is only right to honor the man today. Let's talk about all the good things he did off the field and the great play on the field. And for at least one day leave all the personal stuff behind. We all have warts and moles. That almost was a great article by JW except when he had to get personal. :shrug:

Danman
02-01-2009, 07:53 AM
Nice article, but I'll be honest, I liked Claythan's article better. As for the 7 children, who cares. He was no thug, and gave countless hours to charity. Ask Children's Mercy what it was like for the kids when Derrick and Neal showed up to talk to the kids. I'm not here to judge the man's morality. I'm here as a fan to celebrate his greatness on the field.

theorangelion
02-01-2009, 07:56 AM
Whitlock always has to get his jabs in no matter the occasion.

RNR
02-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Congrats to his fans. There is a very long list of those who should be in, and for that matter those who are in and don't stack up to the guys on the other list. DT was a big part of changing a joke of a team to a feared contender. It was starting to appear that DT was going to end up on the wrong list. As far as off field activities I have very little respect for that side of the man. He got in because of what he did on the field, rightfully so.

Deberg_1990
02-01-2009, 08:20 AM
When the writers vote a player into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, they’re saying the NFL’s story can’t be properly told without the player’s inclusion.




I kind of reget bringing the personal stuff up. Wrong time and place, and JWhit should have known better as well.

Love the above line though. The NFL story cannot be told properly without Derrick Thomas.

Nice.

Chiefaholic
02-01-2009, 09:29 AM
Not every man on this Earth can be the "All American Dad" image that you wanted him to be. But,I only had one personal experience with DT, but I can tell you he was a very caring and loving person. He went out of his own way to assist myself and my family when he didn't have to, and I'll always appreciate that for the rest of my life. I have a picture of myself with my two daughters on my computer desk standing next to Derrick from that very day. What imperfections he had in some areas of life, he more than made up for them in others. And I seriously doubt his children hold the same grudge against their father than the media and some of you fans do.

Kerberos
02-01-2009, 10:16 AM
Anyone know who will do the introductions and who will speak on his behalf at the induction ceremony?

I would like to think Marty or Carl would be great choices to do his intoductions at his induction. Maybe his mom to speak for him?

Count Zarth
02-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Anyone know who will do the introductions and who will speak on his behalf at the induction ceremony?

I would like to think Marty or Carl would be great choices to do his intoductions at his induction. Maybe his mom to speak for him?

I think it would have to be Carl. He's the only one that knew him on a daily level every year he was with the Chiefs.

Dave Lane
02-01-2009, 11:06 AM
My wife's father recieved a purple heart after he was shot down in Vietnam and she is an excellent family person.

Purple heart <> dead.