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Pestilence
02-01-2009, 11:50 AM
Michael Crabtree reportedly does not plan to run the forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

The biggest unknown about Crabtree is his straight-line speed, so backing out of the forty on a level playing field raises question marks. It also indicates that Crabtree hasn't timed well during his pre-draft preparation. Crabtree could always change his mind at the last minute like Calvin Johnson two years ago, but for now he only plans to run at the Texas Tech Pro Day.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

Pestilence
02-01-2009, 11:51 AM
And right above that....


Beat writer Kent Babb predicts that the Chiefs will take Alabama QB Matthew Stafford with the No. 3 overall pick in the draft.

Babb calls Alabama OT Andre Smith "intriguing" if he gets past Detroit and St. Louis, but believes that KC is still desperate for a franchise QB. Babb says QB is a much bigger need position and taking Stafford is an "easy" decision.

Pestilence
02-01-2009, 11:51 AM
lol....yes....THAT Alabama QB....Matthew Stafford

CupidStunt
02-01-2009, 11:54 AM
Pussy.

milkman
02-01-2009, 11:54 AM
Why does this news not surprise me?

rad
02-01-2009, 11:55 AM
Alabama?

Why do they even bother with this combine? Don't NFL coaches watch them play football? That's what they're drafted for.

suds79
02-01-2009, 11:55 AM
That's a bad move.

Now he only has 1 chance to try to turn in a 4.4 or better.

If he runs poorly at the combine, at least he'd have a chance to make it up during his pro day.

If he runs great at the combine, no need to run the 40 at his pro day.

I've never understood why guys don't get this.

B_Ambuehl
02-01-2009, 12:01 PM
The 40 is a mainly a media/fan creation that gives non-football people shit to debate over. The medical stuff at the combine is more important to most clubs than the workout stuff. You still have a few non football ****tards like Tannenbaum and senile geriatrics like Al Davis who put a lot of stock in track workouts, but the film is way more important. The problem is the media doesn't know film so all they have to rank players are track workouts so that's all they talk about.

Brock
02-01-2009, 12:03 PM
Ha ha right, that's why all the coaches with stopwatches show up when guys run.

alanm
02-01-2009, 12:03 PM
Who cares. The Chiefs aren't going to draft him anyway.

eazyb81
02-01-2009, 12:08 PM
Disappointed, but can't say I'm terribly surprised.

BigVE
02-01-2009, 12:12 PM
Heh, this is probably a smarter move than going out there and running a 4.8 or something. If people already question your speed don't go out there and prove 'em right...keep 'em guessing.

HC_Chief
02-01-2009, 12:17 PM
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6+

He fell for that very reason.

40 times are a useless stat as all they show is how fast a runner can go in a straight line, out of pads. That's fine for track, not very useful for football.

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 12:22 PM
Alabama?

Why do they even bother with this combine? Don't NFL coaches watch them play football? That's what they're drafted for.

It's extremely important to know if a guys is fast enough and strong enough to compete in the NFL. There are more than 100 D1 football programs out there with 80 to 100 guys per team. Out of those 100,000 football players only a select few ever make it on an NFL roster. It's not as if all talent in college is equal.

In addition to height, weight, speed, strength and agility, these guys are given the Wonderlic (for intelligence), physicals and full medical examinations and well as in depth interviews with GM's and coaches.

It should not be taken lightly nor has it outgrown its usefulness. Teams must perform their due-diligence when investing tens of millions of dollars into people.

88TG88
02-01-2009, 12:22 PM
I guess they think DET is taking Sanchez ?

Deberg_1990
02-01-2009, 12:23 PM
It's extremely important to know if a guys is fast enough and strong enough to compete in the NFL. There are more than 100 D1 football programs out there with 80 to 100 guys per team. Out of those 100,000 football players only a select few ever make it on an NFL roster. It's not as if all talent in college is equal.

In addition to height, weight, speed, strength and agility, these guys are given the Wonderlic (for intelligence), physicals and full medical examinations and well as in depth interviews with GM's and coaches.

It should not be taken lightly nor has it outgrown its usefulness. Teams must perform their due-diligence when investing tens of millions of dollars into people.


This.


Thank you Dane.

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 12:23 PM
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6+

He fell for that very reason.

40 times are a useless stat as all they show is how fast a runner can go in a straight line, out of pads. That's fine for track, not very useful for football.

Brilliant. Use a Hall of Famer as your evidence that 40 time isn't useful in evaluating receivers.

:shake:

B_Ambuehl
02-01-2009, 12:27 PM
The scouts already know Crab is likely a 4.6ish type guy no surprise here. He's not a guy who's gonna outrun you down the field he's more like 2 of receivers in todays game, Boldin and Fitzgerald, who accelerate well in the short area and use their body to outmuscle you down the field. Those 2 guys also happen to be 4.6 guys. Hell, Boldin actually ran a 4.7.

Brock
02-01-2009, 12:31 PM
The scouts already know Crab is likely a 4.6ish type guy no surprise here. He's not a guy who's gonna outrun you down the field he's more like 2 of receivers in todays game, Boldin and Fitzgerald, who accelerate well in the short area and use their body to outmuscle you down the field. Those 2 guys also happen to be 4.6 guys. Hell, Boldin actually ran a 4.7.

Is that why Boldin was drafted in the second round? I thought you said no legitimate football people cared about it.

HC_Chief
02-01-2009, 12:49 PM
Brilliant. Use a Hall of Famer as your evidence that 40 time isn't useful in evaluating receivers.

:shake:

It's a real-world example of how the 40 time proves nothing.

They have the guys stripped down to shorts & tees (if that), running shoes, on a track, in a straight line, with no interference. Yeah, sounds like a football game to me.

Dumbass.

Basileus777
02-01-2009, 01:04 PM
It's the most important thing in the world, but the 40 yard dash has it's uses. Anyone saying it has no purpose is blind. It's still the most objective way of evaluating a players speed, and for certain positions that is crucial to evaluating players.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 01:11 PM
I think Larry Fitzgerald’s play this year is helping Michael Crabtree’s draft status. The NFL loves to copy success. IF Larry does well today, there will be several teams that visualize success with drafting a franchise WR . This helps KC because there will be teams willing to trade a lot in order to move up to draft him.

As-far-as not running the 40, it has almost become a tradition for top draft picks not to perform at the combine.

tk13
02-01-2009, 01:12 PM
I wouldn't say it doesn't have a purpose, but I think it's overvalued too. You're doing something you're rarely asked to do in the NFL save a Hail Mary. For a WR, accerlation is probably more important.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kris Wilson ran a comparable 40 time to his teammate, Larry Fitzgerald.

Tribal Warfare
02-01-2009, 01:29 PM
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6+




4.67

KCtotheSB
02-01-2009, 01:30 PM
I absolutely HAAAAAAAAATE combine stats.
Fast 40 =/= great football player

Mr. Laz
02-01-2009, 01:35 PM
of course he prolly won't run at the combine ..... because he is scared to death he'll run a 4.6 and drop to the bottom half of the 1st round.

he's not really that fast

blueballs
02-01-2009, 01:38 PM
Crabtree
what a fun name to have had in school
no -Chiefs pick Mike Crabtree

MikeMaslowski
02-01-2009, 01:42 PM
I didn't know that they had an option not to run it.......

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 01:59 PM
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6+

He fell for that very reason.

40 times are a useless stat as all they show is how fast a runner can go in a straight line, out of pads. That's fine for track, not very useful for football.

the darling larry fitzgerald ran a 4.68

unothadeal
02-01-2009, 02:01 PM
Brilliant. Use a Hall of Famer as your evidence that 40 time isn't useful in evaluating receivers.

:shake:

:spock:

Would it be better if he said Joe Schmoe who's out of the league in 2 years ran a 4.6? Wouldn't really help his case would it?

Mr. Laz
02-01-2009, 02:04 PM
I didn't know that they had an option not to run it.......
the combine is completely optional

many of the bigger names just go for the measurements and don't work out at all

some to the measurements and certain other parts of the combine but don't run.

you can pick and choose if you think your draft stock is high enough to handle the negative PR of not doing it.

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:08 PM
Crabtree is too short and slow to be a top pick.

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:13 PM
Crabtree is too short and slow to be a top pick.

come on man he's 6'3" and if he were to run in the 4.6 range what makes him fall? where was fitzgerald drafted?

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:17 PM
come on man he's 6'3" and if he were to run in the 4.6 range what makes him fall? where was fitzgerald drafted?

6'2"

If you draft a WR in the top three he better be tall, fast, and have great hands.

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:17 PM
And tall as in 6'4"

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:23 PM
6'2"

If you draft a WR in the top three he better be tall, fast, and have great hands.

i've gone to 4 different wbesites and all have him at 6'3"

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:23 PM
And tall as in 6'4"

where was fitzgerald drafted #5?

Count Alex's Wins
02-01-2009, 02:23 PM
We don't need Crabtree. We have ENOUGH possession targets as it is.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2009, 02:24 PM
Michael Crabtree reportedly does not plan to run the forty-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

The biggest unknown about Crabtree is his straight-line speed, so backing out of the forty on a level playing field raises question marks. It also indicates that Crabtree hasn't timed well during his pre-draft preparation. Crabtree could always change his mind at the last minute like Calvin Johnson two years ago, but for now he only plans to run at the Texas Tech Pro Day.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

ROFL ROFL

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:25 PM
We don't need Crabtree. We have ENOUGH possession targets as it is.

i'm not saying for us to draft him, but to say he's not worth a top pick(what exactly constitutes a "top pick") is crazy

Sure-Oz
02-01-2009, 02:27 PM
where was fitzgerald drafted #5?

I believe #3 overall

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:29 PM
i've gone to 4 different wbesites and all have him at 6'3"

Interesting, I don't remember what site said he was 6'2"

But Fitz still has better hands and is faster. Also at the time a lot of people believed he wouldn't have been drafted that high in Green wasn't the HC of the Cards.

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:30 PM
I believe #3 overall

thank you. he's not 6'4" he runs a 4.68 nuff said(and once again i would absolutely hate for us to draft crabtree we have MUCH bigger needs)

Sure-Oz
02-01-2009, 02:31 PM
thank you. he's not 6'4" he runs a 4.68 nuff said(and once again i would absolutely hate for us to draft crabtree we have MUCH bigger needs)

If Crabtree ran a faster 40 i'd be all for it, but i agree we need a QB imo or some other position than WR.

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:31 PM
Interesting, I don't remember what site said he was 6'2"

But Fitz still has better hands and is faster. Also at the time a lot of people believed he wouldn't have been drafted that high in Green wasn't the HC of the Cards.

we dont know either of those crabtree SLOWER than 4.68? i dont know walter football has got him at 4.4something IIRC but i dont know where they got those #s

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:32 PM
If Crabtree ran a faster 40 i'd be all for it, but i agree we need a QB imo or some other position than WR.

those #s were fitzgeralds not crabtree's

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:32 PM
I still stand by if Haley is our HC he will be pushing for us to grab Crabtree. I would much prefer Stafford then Sanchez though.

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:33 PM
we dont know either of those crabtree SLOWER than 4.68? i dont know walter football has got him at 4.4something IIRC but i dont know where they got those #s

SI said Fitz ran a 4.53

Sure-Oz
02-01-2009, 02:34 PM
those #s were fitzgeralds not crabtree's

He really ran that?? He definetly isn't the fastest but man that guy is BIG and athletic and runs great routes.

kstater
02-01-2009, 02:34 PM
we dont know either of those crabtree SLOWER than 4.68? i dont know walter football has got him at 4.4something IIRC but i dont know where they got those #s

If Crabtree was capable of running a 4.4, he wouldn't be skipping the combine. He'd be shouting as loud as he could.

Sure-Oz
02-01-2009, 02:34 PM
I still stand by if Haley is our HC he will be pushing for us to grab Crabtree. I would much prefer Stafford then Sanchez though.

You really think he'd want another WR that bad? We got Bowe already...I would also rather have either QB's

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:36 PM
SI said Fitz ran a 4.53

fan nation on si.com said neither bolden nor fitz could crack into the 4.5 range

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:39 PM
SI said Fitz ran a 4.53

4.63 is what i actually found

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:43 PM
He ran a 4.63 at the combine and a 4.5 at his pro day.

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 02:45 PM
He ran a 4.63 at the combine and a 4.5 at his pro day.

so we both were right, cool. point stands that by the #s the 2 are very comparable

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-01-2009, 03:04 PM
so we both were right, cool. point stands that by the #s the 2 are very comparable

Wait, we trust pro day 40's now?

JASONSAUTO
02-01-2009, 03:05 PM
Wait, we trust pro day 40's now?

hell hamas i was the one using the combine # all along rust shack said 4.5

WilliamTheIrish
02-01-2009, 03:51 PM
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6+

He fell for that very reason.

40 times are a useless stat as all they show is how fast a runner can go in a straight line, out of pads. That's fine for track, not very useful for football.

This isn't totally wrong. The other reasons were he was from a small college, and they ran an early version of the spread offense.

HC, I'm not sure how old you are, but Rice played a game at WU in Topeka that I got to see in 1984. Rice and their QB ended up with up crazy numbers and we spent 1.50 admission to see him. I think he caught 15 passes and they scored 70 points.

Went down on the sideline and tried to get his auto.. no luck. Wonder what a 1984 Rice auto would be worth?

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 04:13 PM
It's a real-world example of how the 40 time proves nothing.

They have the guys stripped down to shorts & tees (if that), running shoes, on a track, in a straight line, with no interference. Yeah, sounds like a football game to me.

Dumbass.

GFY.

You're IRRELEVANT.

:spock:

Would it be better if he said Joe Schmoe who's out of the league in 2 years ran a 4.6? Wouldn't really help his case would it?

This is just like all the dumb motherfuckers stating "Well, Tom Brady was 6 rounder!".

Fucking stupid.

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 04:14 PM
We don't need Crabtree. We have ENOUGH possession targets as it is.

Exactly

HC_Chief
02-01-2009, 04:17 PM
:spock:

Would it be better if he said Joe Schmoe who's out of the league in 2 years ran a 4.6? Wouldn't really help his case would it?

He's a typical arrogant LA douche. You'll find that to be true as you read his posts.

I'm a laid back dude but he's the type of guy I'd knock the f*ck out if I were around him in RL.

HC_Chief
02-01-2009, 04:19 PM
This isn't totally wrong. The other reasons were he was from a small college, and they ran an early version of the spread offense.

HC, I'm not sure how old you are, but Rice played a game at WU in Topeka that I got to see in 1984. Rice and their QB ended up with up crazy numbers and we spent 1.50 admission to see him. I think he caught 15 passes and they scored 70 points.

Went down on the sideline and tried to get his auto.. no luck. Wonder what a 1984 Rice auto would be worth?

Probably a lot :D That's awesome you got to see arguably the best WR of all time play in college.

rad
02-01-2009, 04:37 PM
It's extremely important to know if a guys is fast enough and strong enough to compete in the NFL. There are more than 100 D1 football programs out there with 80 to 100 guys per team. Out of those 100,000 football players only a select few ever make it on an NFL roster. It's not as if all talent in college is equal.

In addition to height, weight, speed, strength and agility, these guys are given the Wonderlic (for intelligence), physicals and full medical examinations and well as in depth interviews with GM's and coaches.

It should not be taken lightly nor has it outgrown its usefulness. Teams must perform their due-diligence when investing tens of millions of dollars into people.

Aside from the Wonderlic, all that information can be attained by watching a kid play football.

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 04:39 PM
He's a typical arrogant LA douche. You'll find that to be true as you read his posts.

I'm a laid back dude but he's the type of guy I'd knock the f*ck out if I were around him in RL.

You're a real fucking asshole.

No one can disagree with your opinion? Is that right? Then what the FUCK are you doing in this forum, dickhead?

Keep the neg reps coming you fucking pussy.

And go fuck your Mother.

DaneMcCloud
02-01-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm a laid back dude but he's the type of guy I'd knock the f*ck out if I were around him in RL.

Oh really?

Interesting.

ROFLROFLROFL

I must REALLY get under your skin.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

CUNT.

Your life must REALLY suck.

rad
02-01-2009, 04:41 PM
There are alot of nobodies on this list........just sayin':

The NFL runs official 40 yard dash times that are timed by computers who go by a runners movement, here are some of the fastest times recorded.

1. Darrell Green (4.09 @ Redskins Training Camp)
2. DeAngelo Hall (4.15 @ Virgina Tech Pro-Day, indoor track)[3]
3. Brian Witherspoon (4.18 @ Alabama Pro-Day)
4. Deion Sanders (4.21 @ NFL Combine)?
5. Patrick Boyce (4.21 @ Manhattan Collegen Career Day)
6. Erik Burg (4.21 @ St. Cloud State University Pro Day)
7. Donté Stallworth (4.22 @ 2003 Tennessee Pro Day)
8. Michael Bennett (4.23 @ University of Wisconsin Pro Day & NFL Combine )
9. Willie Parker (4.23 @ 2004 North Carolina Pro Day)
10. Chris Johnson (4.24 @ NFL Combine)
11. Fabian Washington (4.25 @ 2005 NFL Combine)
12. Randy Moss (4.25 @ Marshall University)
13. Rondel Menendez (4.25 @ University of Eastern Kentucky Pro-Day 1995)
14. Champ Bailey (4.28 @ 1999 NFL Combine)
15. Jerome Mathis (4.28 @ 2005 NFL Combine)
16. Willis McGahee (4.28 @ Miami)
17. DeSean Jackson (4.29 @ NFL Combine)
18. Yamon Figurs (4.30 @ 2007 NFL Combine)
19. Darren McFadden (4.33 @ NFL Combine)
20. Reggie Bush (4.33 @ University of Southern California at Pro Day 2006)

Ceej
02-01-2009, 04:48 PM
Darius Heyward-Bey top of round 2, please. :)

OnTheWarpath58
02-01-2009, 10:39 PM
Shocking.

Dude knows he'd put up a 40 that could be clocked with a sundial, so he sits out.

Hope the GM's notice that attitude, and he drops like a fucking rock.

Mecca
02-01-2009, 10:43 PM
Damn I said awhile back I thought he'd try to avoid running.