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Mr. Wizard
02-01-2009, 01:46 PM
When one looks at the Patriots free agency and trade propensity under Pioli in comparison to the Chiefs under Peterson in the last six years there certainly is a distinct difference both in quantity and in known names.
This should certainly make a fundamental change in our trade/free agency policy. I for one can not wait to see who he brings in. Another interesting tidbit comes with looking at their trades since 2003. (also on that site)
Pioli certainly seems to be willing to do some well researched horse trading in order to acquire the depth of players it takes to run deep into the playoffs.

source:
http://www.patriots.com/history/index.cfm?ac=freeagents

Free Agents Signed for 2008
PLAYER POS TEAM
Sam Aiken WR Buffalo Bills
Fernando Bryant CB Detroit Lions
Victor Hobson LB New York Jets
LaMont Jordan RB Oakland Raiders
Oliver Ross G Arizona Cardinals
Jason Webster CB Buffalo Bills
Tank Williams S Minnesota Vikings


Free Agents Signed for 2007
PLAYER POS TEAM
Kyle Brady TE Jacksonville Jaguars
Eddie Jackson CB Miami Dolphins
Tory James CB Cincinnati Bengals
Rashad Moore DL New York Jets
Sammy Morris RB Miami Dolphins
Kenny Smith DL Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Donte' Stallworth WR Philadelphia Eagles
Adalius Thomas LB Baltimore Ravens
Kelley Washington WR Cincinnati Bengals

Free Agents Signed for 2006
PLAYER POS TEAM
Reche Caldwell WR San Diego Chargers
Jabar Gaffney WR Houston Texans
Martin Gramatica K Indianapolis Colts
Tebucky Jones S Miami Dolphins
Mel Mitchell III S New Orleans Saints
Todd Sauerbrun P Denver Broncos
Chad Scott CB New England Patriots
Junior Seau LB Miami Dolphi

Free Agents Signed for 2005
PLAYER POS TEAM
Monty Beisel LB Kansas City Chiefs
Chad Brown LB Seattle Seahawks
Tim Dwight WR San Diego Chargers
Antuan Edwards S St. Louis Rams
Doug Flutie QB San Diego Chargers
Artrell Hawkins S Carolina Panthers
Victor Leyva OT Cincinnati Bengals
Wesly Mallard LB New York Giants
Chad Morton RB Washington Redskins
Chad Scott CB Pittsburgh Steelers
David Terrell WR Chicago Bears

Free Agents Signed for 2004
PLAYER POS TEAM
Josh Miller P Pittsburgh Steelers
Keith Traylor RT Chicago Bears

Free Agents Signed for 2003
PLAYER POS TEAM
Chris Akins S Cleveland Browns
Larry Centers FB Buffalo Bills
Michael Cloud RB Kansas City Chiefs
Rosevelt Colvin LB Chicago Bears
Don Davis SLB St. Louis Rams
Brandon Gorin T San Diego Chargers
Rodney Harrison S San Diego Chargers
Russ Hochstein G/C Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sean McDermott LS Miami Dolphins
Tyrone Poole CB Denver Broncos
Dedric Ward WR Baltimore Ravens

blueballs
02-01-2009, 01:49 PM
They're the recycling center of the NFL
let's refurbish that curio cabnet

RustShack
02-01-2009, 02:18 PM
Didn't they sign like a shit ton of free agents in 00 or 01?

Hog Farmer
02-01-2009, 03:01 PM
And if you look through those names, every one of those players suck.

The only reason they were any good was because of Brady!

Danman
02-01-2009, 03:13 PM
[QUOTE=Hog Farmer;5446635]And if you look through those names, every one of those players suck.

They usually signed players to temporarily fill a need, not to sign the biggest star. That's a smart way of doing things. Serviceable pros but not superstars.

Dave Lane
02-01-2009, 03:27 PM
And if you look through those names, every one of those players suck.

The only reason they were any good was because of Brady!

Exactly, cuz without him they only won 11 games.

Dave

Hog Farmer
02-01-2009, 03:31 PM
Exactly, cuz without him they only won 11 games.

Dave


That was only because they had Cassel.

Dave Lane
02-01-2009, 03:36 PM
Who until last year was??? I remember everyone screaming how the Pats had no plan B if Brady went down.

King_Chief_Fan
02-01-2009, 03:49 PM
I am hoping he can do better than that list of "where are theys"

This team needs some major talent then you can sign the for one year crap.

bsp4444
02-01-2009, 03:53 PM
I have to agree with Hog Farmer on this one. That list has a lot of people who didn't contribute very much on it.

kobebehar
02-01-2009, 04:44 PM
Kyle Brady ftw.

dj56dt58
02-01-2009, 04:51 PM
a team normally does sign more free agents when they have their core and are contenders

petegz28
02-01-2009, 06:15 PM
That was only because they had Cassel.

So first it was only becasuse they had Brady. Then it was only because they had Cassel? :hmmm:

Both late round draft picks, mind you.

Garcia Bronco
02-01-2009, 06:21 PM
You can get some good players in Free Agency. Especially on defense. A while back the Giants got a great LBer in Kavika Mitchell, and the Cards got another LB named Monty Beisel.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:11 PM
Cornerbacks
2008 *Fernando Bryant *CB *Detroit Lions
2008 *Jason Webster *CB *Buffalo Bills
2007 *Eddie Jackson *CB *Miami Dolphins
2007 *Tory James *CB *Cincinnati Bengals
2006 *Chad Scott *CB *New England Patriots
2005 *Chad Scott *CB *Pittsburgh Steelers
2003 *Tyrone Poole *CB *Denver Broncos
2002 *Tom Knight *CB *Arizona Cardinals
2000 *Antonio Langham *CB *Cleveland Browns
2000 *Otis Smith *CB *New York Jets

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Defensive Line
2001 *Anthony Pleasant *DE *San Francisco 49ers
2000 *Bobby Hamilton *DE *New York Jets
2000 *Jon Harris *DE *Philadelphia Eagles
2007 *Rashad Moore *DL *New York Jets
2007 *Kenny Smith *DL *Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2002 *Rick Lyle *DL *New York Jets
2001 *Chris Sullivan *DL *Pittsburgh Steelers
2002 *Steve Martin *DT *New York Jets
2004 *Keith Traylor *RT *Chicago Bears

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:14 PM
Fullbacks
2003 *Larry Centers *FB *Buffalo Bills
2002 *Scott Dragos *FB *Chicago Bears
2001 *Marc Edwards *FB *Cleveland Browns

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:15 PM
Guards & Centers
2008 *Oliver Ross *G *Arizona Cardinals
2002 *Rich Tylski *G *Pittsburgh Steelers
2000 Joe Andruzzi *G *Green Bay Packers
2003 *Russ Hochstein *G/C *Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2001 *Mike Compton *G/C *Detroit Lions
2000 *Lance Scott *G/C *New York Giants

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Linebackers
2008 *Victor Hobson *LB *New York Jets
2007 *Adalius Thomas *LB *Baltimore Ravens
2006 *Junior Seau *LB *Miami Dolphins
2005 Monty Beisel *LB *Kansas City Chiefs
2005 *Chad Brown *LB *Seattle Seahawks
2005 *Wesly Mallard *LB *New York Giants
2003 *Rosevelt Colvin *LB *Chicago Bears
2002 *Ryan Phillips *LB *Indianapolis Colts
2002 *Ratcliff Thomas *LB *Indianapolis Colts
2001 *Larry Izzo *LB *Miami Dolphins
2001 *Roman Phifer *LB *New York Jets
2001 *Mike Vrabel *LB *Pittsburgh Steelers

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Runningbacks
2008 *LaMont Jordan *RB *Oakland Raiders
2007 *Sammy Morris *RB *Miami Dolphins
2005 *Chad Morton *RB *Washington Redskins
2003 *Michael Cloud *RB *Kansas City Chiefs
2001 *Antowain Smith *RB *Buffalo Bills

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:19 PM
SS & FS
2008 *Tank Williams *S *Minnesota Vikings
2006 *Tebucky Jones *S *Miami Dolphins
2006 *Mel Mitchell III *S *New Orleans Saints
2005 *Antuan Edwards *S *St. Louis Rams
2005 *Artrell Hawkins *S *Carolina Panthers
2003 Chris Akins *S *Cleveland Browns
2003 *Rodney Harrison *S *San Diego Chargers
2002 *Chris Hayes *S *New York Jets
2002 *Rob Kelly *S *New Orleans Saints
2002 *Daryl Porter *S *Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2001 Je'Rod Cherry *SS *Philadelphia Eagles

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:20 PM
WR
2008 *Sam Aiken *WR *Buffalo Bills
2007 *Donte' Stallworth *WR *Philadelphia Eagles
2007 *Kelley Washington *WR *Cincinnati Bengals
2006 Reche Caldwell *WR *San Diego Chargers
2006 *Jabar Gaffney *WR *Houston Texans

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:21 PM
Sorry missed these...
2005 *Tim Dwight *WR *San Diego Chargers
2005 *David Terrell *WR *Chicago Bears
2003 *Dedric Ward *WR *Baltimore Ravens
2002 *Donald Hayes *WR *Carolina Panthers
2001 *David Patten *WR *Cleveland Browns
2000 *Aaron Bailey *WR *Indianapolis Colts

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:22 PM
TE
2007 Kyle Brady *TE *Jacksonville Jaguars
2002 Cameron Cleeland *TE *New Orleans Saints
2002 *Christian Fauria *TE *Seattle Seahawks
2000 *Eric Bjornson *TE *Dallas Cowboys

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:28 PM
Offensive Tackles
2003 *Brandon Gorin *T *San Diego Chargers
2000 *Grant Williams *T *Seattle Seahawks
2005 *Victor Leyva *OT *Cincinnati Bengals

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:30 PM
Special Team
2006 *Martin Gramatica *K *Indianapolis Colts
2003 *Sean McDermott *LS *Miami Dolphins
2006 *Todd Sauerbrun *P *Denver Broncos
2004 Josh Miller *P *Pittsburgh Steelers
2001 *Ken Walter *P *Carolina Panthers

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:32 PM
QB
2005 *Doug Flutie *QB *San Diego Chargers
2001 *Damon Huard *QB *Miami Dolphins

I had to double check the Doug Flutie info, but this came from the New England Patriots official site.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:33 PM
Lots of DBs when you count CBs, SS, and FS.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:44 PM
The thread Pioli/NE Roster Trends - http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=201095 shows the past record of draft picks.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 09:56 PM
New England had Drew Bledsoe and then they had Tom Brady so they have not needed to draft QBs high or go after big free agent QBs.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 10:09 PM
I just noticed looking at the list of CBs...no Eric Warfield. Since this list is from the New England Patriot's official site, does this mean they do not want to recognize that free agent signing?

gta0012
02-01-2009, 10:13 PM
Hows our cap looking for Free Agents?

OnTheWarpath58
02-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Apparently someone missed Pioli's initial press conference where he said that the Patriots signed 21 Free Agents, but only gave out a combined $2.5M in guaranteed money.

In other words, the guys they signed were all Tier 3 guys and UDFA's.

Clark also said that we would be more active in FA, but not when it comes to Tier 1 guys - we're looking at Tier 2/3 type guys.

Don't expect a big name, or you're going to be disappointed.

Sam Hall
02-01-2009, 10:21 PM
Apparently someone missed Pioli's initial press conference where he said that the Patriots signed 21 Free Agents, but only gave out a combined $2.5M in guaranteed money.

In other words, the guys they signed were all Tier 3 guys and UDFA's.

Clark also said that we would be more active in FA, but not when it comes to Tier 1 guys - we're looking at Tier 2/3 type guys.

Don't expect a big name, or you're going to be disappointed.

That sounds good because they need to address several positions.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 10:31 PM
From - http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp - Jan. 23, 2009.

With the latest extension to the CBA, the 2009 salary cap is approximately $123,000,000 which represents a nice increase over last year's $116.7 M figure. (Note that the cap was "just" $85.5 M in 2005, the final season prior to the CBA's extension and $102 M in 2006 after the CBA extension.)
Projected 2009 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team

Rank Team $ Under the Cap
1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $42000000
2 Arizona Cardinals $41000000
3 Denver Broncos $34000000
4 Kansas City Chiefs $33000000
5 Tennessee Titans $31000000
6 Miami Dolphins $28000000
7 Buffalo Bills $27000000
8 Detroit Lions $26000000
9 San Francisco 49ers $26000000
10 Houston Texans $25000000
11 Philadelphia Eagles $25000000
12 Cincinnati Bengals $22000000
13 New England Patriots $21000000
14 Minnesota Vikings $20000000
15 Atlanta Falcons $20000000
16 Pittsburgh Steelers $19000000
17 Baltimore Ravens $19000000
18 Chicago Bears $19000000
19 Green Bay Packers $18000000
20 Cleveland Browns $17000000
21 Jacksonville Jaguars $16000000
22 San Diego Chargers $14000000
23 NY Giants $11000000
24 Dallas Cowboys $10000000
25 Carolina Panthers $9000000
26 Seattle Seahawks $9000000
27 St. Louis Rams $8000000
28 Oakland Raiders $4000000
29 Indianapolis Colts $2000000
30 Washington Redskins $-3000000
31 New Orleans Saints $-5000000
32 NY Jets $-7000000

gta0012
02-01-2009, 10:51 PM
Ya know we have had a great cap for a while now. I can really see us building 1-3yrs with younger players than spending a shit load of money one year to make a run.

Wilson8
02-01-2009, 11:41 PM
If you examine the past drafting and free agent pattern of the New England Patriots, I would expect Scott Pioli to do what he does best in forming the team. He will mainly use the draft and add needed players through free agency. In the many name of signed free agents, you will not see very many big dollar free agents but he will go after players that he wants.

LB Adalius Thomas
Five years, $35.04 million.
Signing bonus: $12 million in 2007.
Option bonus: $8 million payable in 2008, applied for cap reasons in equal $2 million increments in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011.
Salaries: $900,000 in '07, $900,000 in '08, $1.9 million in '09, $4.9 million in '10 and $5.9 million in '11.
Workout bonuses: $107,000 annually if he participates in the Patriots' offseason workout program in Foxboro.
Cap numbers: In succession, beginning this year, $3.4 million, $5.4 million, $6.4 million, $9.4 million, $10.4 million

WR Dante Stallworth
Six years, $33.1 million.
Signing bonus: $1 million in 2007.
Roster bonus: $1.6 million payable in 2007. $2 million in 2008.
Option bonus: $6 million payable in 2008.
Salaries: $700,000 in '07, $1,00,000 in '08.
Workout bonuses: $300,000 in 2007 and $400,000 in 2008 if he participates in the Patriots' offseason workout program in Foxboro.
Cap numbers: In succession, beginning this year, $3.6 million, $11 million in 2008.

They dropped Dante after 1 year.

bigdreams1
02-02-2009, 01:07 AM
I really hope we make a move for Bart Scott. Our primary needs are a RE, OLB, MLB, and of course C,RG,RT. I'm in favor of Sanchez with the first pick. Anyone know where we will find a RE? Suggs has made it clear he wants to stay in Baltimore, while Scott wants the money. I also think the line can be addressed via draft with the exception of 1 spot being filled through FA. Any thoughts?

T-post Tom
02-02-2009, 01:15 AM
I really hope we make a move for Bart Scott. Our primary needs are a RE, OLB, MLB, and of course C,RG,RT. I'm in favor of Sanchez with the first pick. Anyone know where we will find a RE? Suggs has made it clear he wants to stay in Baltimore, while Scott wants the money. I also think the line can be addressed via draft with the exception of 1 spot being filled through FA. Any thoughts?

Yes to Scott. No to Sanchez.

Wilson8
02-02-2009, 09:12 AM
Patriots pretty close to the middle and they do have room to keep Cassel if the want -

13 New England Patriots $21000000

wazimo
02-02-2009, 10:23 AM
On ESPN it say the Chiefs are reportedly interested in trading for Matt Cassell. I'm assuming this is just conjecture based on Pioli and KC's need for a QB. Can someone give us the story?