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melbar
02-03-2009, 02:28 PM
This was on Arrowhead addicts.


Somehow, after the lowest of the lows in 2007, the Kansas City Chiefs rushing offense actually produced some yards this past season. The team ended up ranked 16th in the league in rushing, after ending 2007 ranked dead last.

A big part of that success was the addition of fullback Mike Cox and Branden Albert on the left side of the line. Those two players in particular helped take the sorest spot on the team and turn it into a squad that was rarely mentioned on game day. And that's a good thing.

One important thing to point out in regards to the success of this year's offensive line is continuity. Brian Waters and Damion McIntosh started all 16 games. Rudy Niswanger and Branden Albert started 15 games. Good things happen when a unit can play that many games together.

Hopefully, 2009 brings even better things for the Chiefs offensive line. Let's take a look at where we stand with our offensive line heading into the 2009 off season.



LT Branden Albert

Games: 15 (15 starts)

Penalties: 1

Sacks allowed: 4.5


Chiefs fans can finally breathe a sigh of relief that the most important position on the offensive line has been filled with a talented young player. Albert handled opposing defensive ends and linebackers with relative ease for a rookie. His greenness showed up now and again but most would agree that he is the definition of an anchor of an offensive line.


Impact in 2009: Starting left tackle for the foreseeable future.



RT Damion McIntosh

Games: 16 (16 starts)

Penalties: 3

Sacks allowed: 7


Even though McIntosh didn't play as poorly as his 2007 season, I still have to immediately knock a right tackle for giving up 7 sacks. Opposing teams knew where our line's weak spot was and that was Damion McIntosh on the right side of the line. McIntosh, like the rest of the line, seems to have benefited from continuous play with Albert, Niswanger, Waters and the Smith/Jones duo.

Impact in 2009: Probably the starting right tackle. The Chiefs have nobody up and coming who is worthy of overtaking McIntosh at right tackle.



G Brian Waters

Games: 16 (16 starts)

Penalties: 2

Sacks allowed: 2


In nine seasons with the Chiefs, Brian Waters has started every game six times. Waters heads to the Pro Bowl for the fourth time in his career. Never flashy and never screws anything up.

Impact in 2009: Waters will be the Chiefs starting left guard until he physically can't do it anymore. Waters has shown no signs of slowing down at age 31.





G Wade Smith

Games: 15 (7 starts)

Penalties: 0

Sacks allowed: 2


Despite being labeled a guard, Wade Smith is really more of a utility player. He plays both guard sides and center if needed. He's an average but essential utility man. Others could play his role on the Chiefs but there isn't a reason to change now.

Impact in 2009: Will continue to rotate to areas of need. No real chance of becoming a starter.



G Adrian Jones

Games: 11 (10 starts)

Penalties: 2

Sacks allowed: 1


Jones filled in a lot more at right guard in his second season with the Chiefs. He missed a few games towards the end of the season with an injury. He split time with Wade Smith at this position, making him expendable.

Impact in 2009: A 2nd or even a 3rd round pick on a guard eliminates Jones' starting gig. Wade Smith would get the nod over Jones if it came down to it, because of Smith's utility.



T Herb Taylor

Games: 16 (1 start)

Penalties: 4

Sacks allowed: 1


Taylor still has the look and feel of a rookie out there. Taylor committed four false starts in very limited action in 2008. The 6th round pick is playing like a 6th round pick.

Impact in 2009: It's getting close to put up or shut up time for Herb Taylor if he wants to play any significant portion of time in his career. The Chiefs could easily replace him in the draft or free agency if they don't see him progressing.



C Rudy Niswanger

Games: 15 (15 starts)

Penalties: 3

Sacks allowed: 4.5


I'll be the first to admit I'm no expert in judging offensive linemen but it seems like Rudy Niswanger leaves a bit to be desired for a center. The fact that he started in 15 games for the Chiefs shows us how much the coaching staff liked him. But this is a new staff that won't necessarily see things the same way Herm did.

Impact in 2009: No lock to be the starting center next year, Niswanger may end up the stater by default. It really depends how hard the Chiefs want to pursue a center in free agency or the draft.

Beyond these guys, the pickens are pretty slim. Barry Richardson, Tavares Washington and Andrew Carnahan round out the offensive linemen who didn't play. They're suspect roster members at best right now.

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Really need 2-3 guys to return to the traditional KC strong O-line. I'd say needs are in order RG, RT, and C.

alpha_omega
02-03-2009, 02:31 PM
mpact in 2009: Probably the starting right tackle. The Chiefs have nobody up and coming who is worthy of overtaking McIntosh at right tackle.


Better f'in not be....they had better figure this out, or it will be the same story in '09.

alpha_omega
02-03-2009, 02:31 PM
Good read by the way....thanks for posting

Sanka
02-03-2009, 02:34 PM
Really need 2-3 guys to return to the traditional KC strong O-line. I'd say needs are in order RG, LT, and C.

LT Branden Albert????

missinDThomas
02-03-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't know if you guys paid attn to the senior bowl, but the C from Oregon Unger, and the C from Louisville looked good. I watched the practices and the game. Either one would be a nice 2nd rd for us and really help the line.

melbar
02-03-2009, 02:39 PM
LT Branden Albert????

Edit...my bad...RT...lol

melbar
02-03-2009, 02:43 PM
I don't know if you guys paid attn to the senior bowl, but the C from Oregon Unger, and the C from Louisville looked good. I watched the practices and the game. Either one would be a nice 2nd rd for us and really help the line.

Like those guys. G and C will be easier to fill 2-3rd round. Problem is if we pick QB in the 1st then OL 2 and 3 we leave the worst Defense in the league intact...2nd there should be a solid LB or DE available then maybe come back to line in the 3rd. If we could grab a solid guy in FA that would be nice...

missinDThomas
02-03-2009, 02:46 PM
well with the cards having to sign dockett to probably a huge contract, possibly warner, and boldin...dansby might have to leave for no money.....we could get him in FA...there are a few others...

with rumors about cassel, we could take curry at 3rd pick

Dicky McElephant
02-03-2009, 02:47 PM
Like those guys. G and C will be easier to fill 2-3rd round. Problem is if we pick QB in the 1st then OL 2 and 3 we leave the worst Defense in the league intact...2nd there should be a solid LB or DE available then maybe come back to line in the 3rd. If we could grab a solid guy in FA that would be nice...

If we go QB in the 1st....then we should have a good shot at a DE in the 2nd. There will still be a good C and a good G in the 3rd and 4th rounds. This year is deep at o-line and shallow at defense.

missinDThomas
02-03-2009, 02:56 PM
2009 Free Agents
The following is a list of the top 2009 NFL free agents.

Quarterback:

Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Kerry Collins, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans

Running Back:
J.J. Arrington, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Correll Buckhalter, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Heath Evans, UFA, New England Patriots
Derrick Ward, UFA, New York Giants
Brandon Jacobs, UFA, New York Giants
Kevin Jones, UFA, Chicago Bears
Ryan Moats, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Maurice Morris, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Darren Sproles, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Aaron Stecker, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Jesse Chatman UFA New York Jets
Kenneth Darby RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carey Davis RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Eckel RFA New England Patriots
Ricky Williams, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Terrelle Smith UFA Arizona Cardinals
Jason Wright UFA Cleveland Browns

Wide Receiver:
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante’ Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, Denver Broncos
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Miles Austin RFA Dallas Cowboys
Dane Looker UFA St Louis Rams

Tight End:
Desmond Clark, UFA, Chicago Bears
LJ Smith, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Will Heller, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jeff King, RFA, Carolina Panthers
Owen Daniels, RFA, Houston Texans
Jim Kleinsasser, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Leonard Pope, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Daniel Wilcox, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Johnson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Mark Campbell UFA New Orleans Saints
Ben Patrick ERFA Arizona Cardinals
Justin Peelle UFA Atlanta Falcons

Place Kicker:
Shayne Graham, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Hanson, UFA, Detroit Lions
John Kasay, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Mike Nugent, UFA, New York Jets
Matt Stover, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Punter:
Craig Hentrich, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Shane Lechler, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Offensive Line:
Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans
Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins
George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions
Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins
Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans
John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Kirk Chambers UFA Buffalo Bills
Duke Preston UFA Buffalo Bills

Defensive Line:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Victor Adeyanju RFA St Louis Rams
La’Roi Glover UFA St Louis Rams
Jerome McDougle UFA New York Giants

Linebacker:

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos
Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Rocky Boiman UFA Philadelphia Eagles
John DiGiorgio RFA Buffalo Bills
Keith Ellison RFA Buffalo Bills
Buster Davis ERFA Detroit Lions
Larry Izzo UFA New England Patriots
Zach Thomas UFA Dallas Cowboys
LeRoy Hill UFA Seattle Seahawks

Defensive Back:
Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Tyron Brackenridge, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Phillip Buchanon, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Jabari Greer, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Rodney Harrison, UFA, New England Patriots
Kelvin Hayden, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Daven Holly, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
R.W. McQuarters, UFA, New York Giants
Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets
Lawyer Milloy, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Jarrad Page, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Allen Rossum, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Darren Sharper, UFA,Minnesota Vikings
Will Allen UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mike Adams UFA Cleveland Browns
Rashad Baker UFA Oakland Raiders
Jason Craft UFA St Louis Rams
Reed Doughty RFA Washington Redskins
Demarcus Faggins UFA Houston Texans
Sean Jones UFA Cleveland Browns
Jermaine Phillips UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Sanders UFA New England Patriots
George Wilson UFA Buffalo Bills
Jim Leonhard UFA Baltimore Ravens



look at all the cards to be signed, with dockett, boldin, and wilson all wanting new contracts.

EyePod
02-03-2009, 03:09 PM
Better f'in not be....they had better figure this out, or it will be the same story in '09.

He did play better at the end of the season? I mean, maybe he figured it out (I'm trying to look on the bright side now...).

ChiefRon
02-03-2009, 03:19 PM
If we go QB in the 1st....then we should have a good shot at a DE in the 2nd. There will still be a good C and a good G in the 3rd and 4th rounds. This year is deep at o-line and shallow at defense.

You & I seem to have the same thoughts on this draft. How would you use FA to augment this plan?

alpha_omega
02-03-2009, 03:24 PM
He did play better at the end of the season? I mean, maybe he figured it out (I'm trying to look on the bright side now...).

True, he did play better at the end of the season, but i wonder how much of that had to do with the spread that was being played.

I have a sneaking suspicion that as soon as we line up with a regular pro style offense, his suckage will again become apparent.

SNR
02-03-2009, 03:24 PM
Put Herb in there at RT for the ENTIRE FUCKING OFFSEASON and don't move him.

I'm sick of Herb moving over one position for a game at the last minute and then people complaining about his progress. The guy has played well at starting LT when Albert was injured. If he's the starting RT next year and he stays there, he'll produce.

ChiefRon
02-03-2009, 03:25 PM
2009 Free Agents
The following is a list of the top 2009 NFL free agents.

Quarterback:

Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Kerry Collins, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans

Running Back:
J.J. Arrington, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Correll Buckhalter, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Heath Evans, UFA, New England Patriots
Derrick Ward, UFA, New York Giants
Brandon Jacobs, UFA, New York Giants
Kevin Jones, UFA, Chicago Bears
Ryan Moats, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Maurice Morris, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Darren Sproles, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Aaron Stecker, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Jesse Chatman UFA New York Jets
Kenneth Darby RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carey Davis RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Eckel RFA New England Patriots
Ricky Williams, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Terrelle Smith UFA Arizona Cardinals
Jason Wright UFA Cleveland Browns

Wide Receiver:
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante’ Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, Denver Broncos
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Miles Austin RFA Dallas Cowboys
Dane Looker UFA St Louis Rams

Tight End:
Desmond Clark, UFA, Chicago Bears
LJ Smith, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Will Heller, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jeff King, RFA, Carolina Panthers
Owen Daniels, RFA, Houston Texans
Jim Kleinsasser, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Leonard Pope, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Daniel Wilcox, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Johnson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Mark Campbell UFA New Orleans Saints
Ben Patrick ERFA Arizona Cardinals
Justin Peelle UFA Atlanta Falcons

Place Kicker:
Shayne Graham, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Hanson, UFA, Detroit Lions
John Kasay, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Mike Nugent, UFA, New York Jets
Matt Stover, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Punter:
Craig Hentrich, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Shane Lechler, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Offensive Line:
Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans
Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins
George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions
Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins
Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans
John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Kirk Chambers UFA Buffalo Bills
Duke Preston UFA Buffalo Bills

Defensive Line:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Victor Adeyanju RFA St Louis Rams
La’Roi Glover UFA St Louis Rams
Jerome McDougle UFA New York Giants

Linebacker:

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos
Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Rocky Boiman UFA Philadelphia Eagles
John DiGiorgio RFA Buffalo Bills
Keith Ellison RFA Buffalo Bills
Buster Davis ERFA Detroit Lions
Larry Izzo UFA New England Patriots
Zach Thomas UFA Dallas Cowboys
LeRoy Hill UFA Seattle Seahawks

Defensive Back:
Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Tyron Brackenridge, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Phillip Buchanon, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Jabari Greer, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Rodney Harrison, UFA, New England Patriots
Kelvin Hayden, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Daven Holly, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
R.W. McQuarters, UFA, New York Giants
Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets
Lawyer Milloy, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Jarrad Page, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Allen Rossum, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Darren Sharper, UFA,Minnesota Vikings
Will Allen UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mike Adams UFA Cleveland Browns
Rashad Baker UFA Oakland Raiders
Jason Craft UFA St Louis Rams
Reed Doughty RFA Washington Redskins
Demarcus pillowbitergins UFA Houston Texans
Sean Jones UFA Cleveland Browns
Jermaine Phillips UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Sanders UFA New England Patriots
George Wilson UFA Buffalo Bills
Jim Leonhard UFA Baltimore Ravens



look at all the cards to be signed, with dockett, boldin, and wilson all wanting new contracts.

link? seems to be missing some...

CoMoChief
02-03-2009, 03:32 PM
2009 Free Agents
The following is a list of the top 2009 NFL free agents.

Quarterback:

Patrick Ramsey, UFA, Denver Broncos
Kerry Collins, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Charlie Batch, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Boller, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Matt Cassel, UFA, New England Patriots
Rex Grossman, UFA, Chicago Bears
Byron Leftwich, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
J.P. Losman, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Kurt Warner, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Jeff Garcia, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Frye UFA Seattle Seahawks
Brooks Bollinger UFA Dallas Cowboys
Chris Simms UFA Tennessee Titans
J.T. O’Sullivan UFA San Francisco 49ers
Matt Gutierrez UFA New England Patriots
Gibran Hamdan UFA Buffalo Bills
Luke McCown UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brock Berlin RFA St Louis Rams
Shane Boyd RFA Houston Texans

Running Back:
J.J. Arrington, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Correll Buckhalter, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Heath Evans, UFA, New England Patriots
Derrick Ward, UFA, New York Giants
Brandon Jacobs, UFA, New York Giants
Kevin Jones, UFA, Chicago Bears
Ryan Moats, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Maurice Morris, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Darren Sproles, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Aaron Stecker, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Jesse Chatman UFA New York Jets
Kenneth Darby RFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carey Davis RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Eckel RFA New England Patriots
Ricky Williams, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Terrelle Smith UFA Arizona Cardinals
Jason Wright UFA Cleveland Browns

Wide Receiver:
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante’ Hall, UFA, St. Louis Rams
Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans SaintsT.J. Houshmandzadeh, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Sam Hurd, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Brandon Jones, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Ashley Lelie, UFA, Denver Broncos
Shaun McDonald, UFA, Detroit Lions
Koren Robinson, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Amani Toomer, UFA, New York Giants
Miles Austin RFA Dallas Cowboys
Dane Looker UFA St Louis Rams

Tight End:
Desmond Clark, UFA, Chicago Bears
LJ Smith, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Will Heller, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jeff King, RFA, Carolina Panthers
Owen Daniels, RFA, Houston Texans
Jim Kleinsasser, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Leonard Pope, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Daniel Wilcox, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Eric Johnson, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Mark Campbell UFA New Orleans Saints
Ben Patrick ERFA Arizona Cardinals
Justin Peelle UFA Atlanta Falcons

Place Kicker:
Shayne Graham, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Hanson, UFA, Detroit Lions
John Kasay, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Mike Nugent, UFA, New York Jets prob get resigned
Matt Stover, UFA, Baltimore Ravens

Punter:
Craig Hentrich, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Shane Lechler, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Offensive Line:
Stacy Andrews, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Matt Birk, UFA, Minnesota Vikings
Jordan Black, UFA, Houston Texans
Vernon Carey, UFA, Miami Dolphins
George Foster, UFA, Detroit Lions
Mike Goff, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Chris Gray, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jordan Gross, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Pete Kendall, UFA, Washington Redskins
Seth McKinney, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Jon Runyan, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Mark Tauscher, UFA, Green Bay Packers
Tra Thomas, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Fred Weary, UFA, Houston Texans
John Welbourn, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Kirk Chambers UFA Buffalo Bills
Duke Preston UFA Buffalo Bills

Defensive Line:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Albert Haynesworth, UFA, Tennessee Titans
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
Julius Peppers, UFA, Carolina Panthers
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Victor Adeyanju RFA St Louis Rams
La’Roi Glover UFA St Louis Rams
Jerome McDougle UFA New York Giants

Linebacker:

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos
Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Karlos Dansby, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Ray Lewis, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Rocky Boiman UFA Philadelphia Eagles
John DiGiorgio RFA Buffalo Bills
Keith Ellison RFA Buffalo Bills
Buster Davis ERFA Detroit Lions
Larry Izzo UFA New England Patriots
Zach Thomas UFA Dallas Cowboys
LeRoy Hill UFA Seattle Seahawks

Defensive Back:
Nnamdi Asomugha, UFA, Oakland Raiders
Tyron Brackenridge, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Phillip Buchanon, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Jabari Greer, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Rodney Harrison, UFA, New England Patriots
Kelvin Hayden, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Renaldo Hill, UFA, Miami Dolphins
Daven Holly, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens
Bryant McFadden, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
R.W. McQuarters, UFA, New York Giants
Justin Miller, UFA, New York Jets
Lawyer Milloy, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Jarrad Page, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Allen Rossum, UFA, San Francisco 49ers
Darren Sharper, UFA,Minnesota Vikings
Will Allen UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mike Adams UFA Cleveland Browns
Rashad Baker UFA Oakland Raiders
Jason Craft UFA St Louis Rams
Reed Doughty RFA Washington Redskins
Demarcus pillowbitergins UFA Houston Texans ROFL
Sean Jones UFA Cleveland Browns
Jermaine Phillips UFA Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Sanders UFA New England Patriots
George Wilson UFA Buffalo Bills
Jim Leonhard UFA Baltimore Ravens



look at all the cards to be signed, with dockett, boldin, and wilson all wanting new contracts.

Bolded people are who to look at.

kcbubb
02-03-2009, 03:37 PM
Bolded people are who to look at.

you like losman? would you take him instead of drafting a QB or also?

Agent V
02-03-2009, 03:41 PM
McIntosh fails. But we already knew that. Pretty cool to see the statistics listed out like this.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-03-2009, 03:42 PM
Bolded people are who to look at.

Glad to see you didn't forget your noon dose of dumbass.

Yes, let's take a look at nearly all the top tier free agents that we'll have to overpay by 20% to get them to sign here when we are a 2-14 team.

beach tribe
02-03-2009, 03:42 PM
I think we should go after either Bart Scott or T. Suggs, and also Vilma.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-03-2009, 03:44 PM
McIntosh fails. But we already knew that. Pretty cool to see the statistics listed out like this.

So does Niswanger. 4.5 sacks from a center is pathetic. There were only 6 DTs that even had that many sacks the whole year. Think about that.

Delano
02-03-2009, 03:44 PM
Very few penalties on that offensive line.

A rookie left tackle with only one penalty amazes me.

CoMoChief
02-03-2009, 03:45 PM
you like losman? would you take him instead of drafting a QB or also?

Also, but I dont wanna be using our #3 pick for a QB......in this draft thats just stupid.

Dicky McElephant
02-03-2009, 03:47 PM
I'm retarded

FYP

CoMoChief
02-03-2009, 03:47 PM
Glad to see you didn't forget your noon dose of dumbass.

Yes, let's take a look at nearly all the top tier free agents that we'll have to overpay by 20% to get them to sign here when we are a 2-14 team.

You're a dumbfuck

CoMoChief
02-03-2009, 03:47 PM
FYP

wow that was original.

Agent V
02-03-2009, 04:01 PM
So does Niswanger. 4.5 sacks from a center is pathetic. There were only 6 DTs that even had that many sacks the whole year. Think about that.

Absolutely.

InChiefsHell
02-03-2009, 04:19 PM
We only have 3 UFA's on this team? And only one (Page) worth keeping? Wow...

beach tribe
02-03-2009, 04:21 PM
Also, but I dont wanna be using our #3 pick for a QB......in this draft thats just stupid.

Again, you said the same thing about Ryan last year.

"If Ryan is available at our pick, we should trade picks with BAL."[/You]

Both QBs are worth the risk.

Steron
02-03-2009, 04:25 PM
Suggs, Dansby, and Austin please.

DaneMcCloud
02-03-2009, 04:27 PM
Like those guys. G and C will be easier to fill 2-3rd round. Problem is if we pick QB in the 1st then OL 2 and 3 we leave the worst Defense in the league intact...2nd there should be a solid LB or DE available then maybe come back to line in the 3rd. If we could grab a solid guy in FA that would be nice...

The Chiefs defense will suck regardless.

Next year, the draft will be loaded with defensive players that will greatly improve the defense.

This year, not so much.

DaneMcCloud
02-03-2009, 04:28 PM
Put Herb in there at RT for the ENTIRE FUCKING OFFSEASON and don't move him.

I'm sick of Herb moving over one position for a game at the last minute and then people complaining about his progress. The guy has played well at starting LT when Albert was injured. If he's the starting RT next year and he stays there, he'll produce.

Nope.

Taylor is NOT an NFL right tackle. Prototypical NFL right tackle is at least 6'5, 310 pounds at minimum. You want a "Road Grader" for your right tackle.

Herb is 6'3, 295 and is more of a finesse, left side of the line guy. He'll be the perfect replacement for Brian Waters.

milkman
02-03-2009, 08:23 PM
Also, but I dont wanna be using our #3 pick for a QB......in this draft thats just stupid.

Truley fucking amazing.

milkman
02-03-2009, 08:29 PM
If we go QB in the 1st....then we should have a good shot at a DE in the 2nd. There will still be a good C and a good G in the 3rd and 4th rounds. This year is deep at o-line and shallow at defense.

It's entirely possible that we'd be looking at the best center prospect in the draft in Alex Mack when we're up in the second round, and the DEs available would not grade out nearly as high.

In the third round we might be looking at Urbik and the fourth, Fenuki Tupou.

Those guys would be hard to pass up.

Looking at the way this draft could potentially fall, as bad as the D is, we might have to pass on the players available, because the O-Lineman will probably be better prospects.

Like Hamas said, next year's draft looks defense heavy.

ChiefsCountry
02-03-2009, 08:45 PM
I expect 1 out of the 3 (Rudy, Jones, McIntosh) to be starting for us next year. More than likely I bet it will be McIntosh.

SNR
02-03-2009, 08:47 PM
Nope.

Taylor is NOT an NFL right tackle. Prototypical NFL right tackle is at least 6'5, 310 pounds at minimum. You want a "Road Grader" for your right tackle.

Herb is 6'3, 295 and is more of a finesse, left side of the line guy. He'll be the perfect replacement for Brian Waters.Either way, he needs a consistent position in order to maximize his ability. Whether that's backup LT or LG.

ChiefsCountry
02-03-2009, 08:49 PM
Either way, he needs a consistent position in order to maximize his ability. Whether that's backup LT or LG.

Taylor's best position is the backup swing tackle who can play everywhere.

Delano
02-03-2009, 08:54 PM
I expect 1 out of the 3 (Rudy, Jones, McIntosh) to be starting for us next year. More than likely I bet it will be McIntosh.

I think I could tolerate Rudy back as a versatile bench player, along with Wade Smith.

Center seems like a position that could be upgraded easily in any of the middle rounds.

The deep reserves (other than, perhaps, Barry Richardson) are not at all inspiring.

Cheater5
02-03-2009, 10:23 PM
Hmm... that list had John Welbourne as an UFA from the Kansas City Chiefs. I thought he went to New England last year (?)

DaneMcCloud
02-03-2009, 10:46 PM
I expect 1 out of the 3 (Rudy, Jones, McIntosh) to be starting for us next year. More than likely I bet it will be McIntosh.

I'm betting on the 'Wanger.

A rookie center and right tackle would go a long way and the 'Wanger was "okay" in 2007 at guard.

DaneMcCloud
02-03-2009, 10:48 PM
It's entirely possible that we'd be looking at the best center prospect in the draft in Alex Mack when we're up in the second round, and the DEs available would not grade out nearly as high.

In the third round we might be looking at Urbik and the fourth, Fenuki Tupou.

Those guys would be hard to pass up.

Looking at the way this draft could potentially fall, as bad as the D is, we might have to pass on the players available, because the O-Lineman will probably be better prospects.

Like Hamas said, next year's draft looks defense heavy.

You're the expert here but I've been watching footage and reading reports about Unger (as well as the Senior Bowl) and I like him much better at #34 than Mack.

He's extremely versatile in that he can play center, guard and right tackle. His footwork is great and he's ready to start immediately.

Thoughts?

beach tribe
02-03-2009, 11:51 PM
If we pick a QB at #3, I fully expect to have at least 2 new starters on the O-line, and 1 of those has to be McIntosh's replacement. It LOOKED as if he improved last season, but I believe that was due to the pistol offense. We cannot trust Mtosh to protect a extremely expensive, and valuable rookie QB. The RT position must be upgraded, or our rook QB needs to hold the clipboard until we find a replacement. McIntosh has proven that a speed rusher will BLOW right by him, and we cannot let that happen. I don't want to end up ruining our QB by putting him behind the kind of line we have fielded the last few seasons.

Buehler445
02-04-2009, 12:01 AM
I thought that article was WAAAAY offbase with Taylor. I thought Taylor looked very good in relief of Albert. And the penalties were high, but he was coming off the bench and I'm sure the last thing he wanted to do was get off the snap slow at LT. Given a whole year, I think he could reduce those penalties.

He should at the very least replace McIntosh. And I understand Dane's point about the road grader. But McIntosh is a left side finesse player coming from LT (read: non-knee bending pussy) and is absolutely NOT a roadgrader. While he may not be an all-pro RT, he would certainly be better than McIntosh. If we choose not to upgrade RT at all, Taylor should start. I was hoping Richardson would come around. But he didn't get much time in there.

beach tribe
02-04-2009, 12:06 AM
I like Taylor, but I think he should be the backup T for both sides. I also think we should get a road grader for the RT spot, I'm really counting on us bringing in some quality O-linemen, and will be pisseed if we don't get two from FA, and the draft. Maybe even a trade is in order. There's going to be some quality guys ion the 2nd, and 3rd rnds this draft, and we should definitely make them a priority. I'd like to see us get either Mack, or Unger to lock down the center position for the next decade, Nicewanger can be given a shot a RG, and that leaves us with the RT spot which there WILL be guys available in the draft to take it over. Let's go Pioli. Lock down the line, and give our QB a chance to succeed.

Buehler445
02-04-2009, 12:30 AM
I like Taylor, but I think he should be the backup T for both sides. I also think we should get a road grader for the RT spot, I'm really counting on us bringing in some quality O-linemen, and will be pisseed if we don't get two from FA, and the draft. Maybe even a trade is in order. There's going to be some quality guys ion the 2nd, and 3rd rnds this draft, and we should definitely make them a priority. I'd like to see us get either Mack, or Unger to lock down the center position for the next decade, Nicewanger can be given a shot a RG, and that leaves us with the RT spot which there WILL be guys available in the draft to take it over. Let's go Pioli. Lock down the line, and give our QB a chance to succeed.

I can't disagree with you, but with as suck-ass as this team is, a lot would have to fall into place to make that happen.

BOTTOM LINE: McIntosh should not start in 2009 unless it is due to injury.

dj56dt58
02-04-2009, 02:50 AM
Put Herb in there at RT for the ENTIRE ****ING OFFSEASON and don't move him.

I'm sick of Herb moving over one position for a game at the last minute and then people complaining about his progress. The guy has played well at starting LT when Albert was injured. If he's the starting RT next year and he stays there, he'll produce.

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milkman
02-04-2009, 08:15 AM
You're the expert here but I've been watching footage and reading reports about Unger (as well as the Senior Bowl) and I like him much better at #34 than Mack.

He's extremely versatile in that he can play center, guard and right tackle. His footwork is great and he's ready to start immediately.

Thoughts?

I made a good call on Albert, and I appreciate the recognition of that.

However, I'm no expert.
I saw something I liked and stuck my head out, and got lucky that Albert justified my belief.

Having said that, I think Unger would be a good option, but I like Mack just a bit better because he displays a better understanding of leverage, which I think is more important at the center position than any other on the line.

Getting and maintaining leverage is Herb Taylor's strength as well, which is why, in the past, I've thought that he should be transitioned to center.

He, IMO, combines the positive qualities of Unger and Mack.

Leverage, athleticism, mobility and intelligence.

All qualities that I think would make him an outstanding center, if he can learn to snap and get position.

Buehler445
02-04-2009, 08:26 AM
I made a good call on Albert, and I appreciate the recognition of that.

However, I'm no expert.
I saw something I liked and stuck my head out, and got lucky that Albert justified my belief.

Having said that, I think Unger would be a good option, but I like Mack just a bit better because he displays a better understanding of leverage, which I think is more important at the center position than any other on the line.

Getting and maintaining leverage is Herb Taylor's strength as well, which is why, in the past, I've thought that he should be transitioned to center.

He, IMO, combines the positive qualities of Unger and Mack.

Leverage, athleticism, mobility and intelligence.

All qualities that I think would make him an outstanding center, if he can learn to snap and get position.


That's not a bad idea. At least worth a shot if it is indeed put up or shut up time with him.

Hog Farmer
02-04-2009, 08:40 AM
Edit...my bad...RT...lol

Pretty bad when you get caught making a mistake by a poelock.

melbar
02-04-2009, 02:23 PM
I made a good call on Albert, and I appreciate the recognition of that.

However, I'm no expert.
I saw something I liked and stuck my head out, and got lucky that Albert justified my belief.

Having said that, I think Unger would be a good option, but I like Mack just a bit better because he displays a better understanding of leverage, which I think is more important at the center position than any other on the line.

Getting and maintaining leverage is Herb Taylor's strength as well, which is why, in the past, I've thought that he should be transitioned to center.

He, IMO, combines the positive qualities of Unger and Mack.

Leverage, athleticism, mobility and intelligence.

All qualities that I think would make him an outstanding center, if he can learn to snap and get position.

I think we both had our necks out on that one especially at first. All you had to do is see the tapes on him. Slowly they turned...

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2009, 02:45 PM
I made a good call on Albert, and I appreciate the recognition of that.

However, I'm no expert.
I saw something I liked and stuck my head out, and got lucky that Albert justified my belief.

Having said that, I think Unger would be a good option, but I like Mack just a bit better because he displays a better understanding of leverage, which I think is more important at the center position than any other on the line.

Getting and maintaining leverage is Herb Taylor's strength as well, which is why, in the past, I've thought that he should be transitioned to center.

He, IMO, combines the positive qualities of Unger and Mack.

Leverage, athleticism, mobility and intelligence.

All qualities that I think would make him an outstanding center, if he can learn to snap and get position.

Thanks! :thumb: