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DaWolf
02-03-2009, 10:36 PM
Todd Haley doesn’t back down from anyone … even the Big Tuna

By Edgar Thompson | Thursday, January 29, 2009, 06:25 PM

Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley doesn’t confine his sideline dust-ups to diva wide receivers.

Haley routinely went at it with Keyshawn Johnson with the Jets, once took on T.O. on national TV in Dallas and had a blow-up in the NFC Championship with Cardinals’ Pro Bowler Anquan Boldin that made national headlines.

This is nothing new between coaches and players.

But Haley said he has no defense for a sideline argument with Bill Parcells that nearly got ugly.

“I don’t want to bring that one back up,” Haley said Thursday before adding, “that’s the one where he took a mini-swing at me in Seattle.”

Haley, 41, recalled Parcells had enough of his young assistant screaming and yelling at officials during the Cowboys 34-9 win against the Seahawks in 2005.

“He told me to shut up, which I needed to do - that was it,” Haley said. “He was right, 100 percent. I was wrong.”

Haley may have gone too far, but Parcells had appreciated his fire from three seasons (1997-99) as Parcells’ wide receivers coach with the Jets.

Following the 1998 draft, a 30-year-old Haley didn’t back down from Parcells, who had been to three Super Bowls and was considered one of NFL’s best talent evaluators.

In the draft war room, Haley pushed for a wide receiver Chris Brazzell out of tiny Angelos State in Texas. Parcells didn’t want any part of Brazzell.

“He wanted to have nothing to do with him,” Haley said. “I kept pushing. It got to the point where he was doing a lot more shouting than I was, but we ended up taking Chris Brazzell in the (sixth) round.”

Haley wondered if Brazzell might last longer than he did. “I thought I was getting fired,” Haley recalled.

Haley remembered Brazzell, the No. 174 pick, sticking around for a couple of seasons. But he ended up in Dallas after one season and caught seven passes in 14 appearances in 1999 and 2000.

But in his two most memorable showdowns with Parcells, Haley doesn’t concede going 0-for-2.

Haley noted Brazzell “has had a very productive career in the Canadian Football League, for sure … I have to add that.”

Haley’s self-belief is one reason he’s viewed as one of the NFL’s up-and-coming coaches, with a shot at becoming the Kansas City Chiefs head coach after the season.

It’s also why Haley could become the next branch of Parcells’ impressive coaching tree.

“I think coach appreciated that I stood up for what I believed in,” Haley said. “That’s a common thing with him. He doesn’t want a lot of yes men around telling him what he wants to hear.

“He wants guys who stay strong on their beliefs.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2009/01/29/todd_haley_didnt_back_down_fro.html#jump

Uhh, I guess this is either reason to like the guy or not like the guy, depending on how you view it.

On the bright side he and Pioli can butt heads and push each other, on the down side his temper worries me. Still, if anyone can get Dwayne Bowe to get his head out of his ass, it's probably this guy. But what about the rest of the team? At least it'll be a full 180 from DV and Herm...

Iowanian
02-03-2009, 10:39 PM
I wonder if he'll tear his sleeves off for his interview? Maybe he'll fart some thunder and crap lightening too!

reiko57
02-03-2009, 10:45 PM
i know herm took losing hard.. but he didn't show it on the sideline which i think pisses people off, im ready to see someone with some fire

ChiefMojo
02-03-2009, 10:48 PM
I mean crap guys we just had Herm sit there like a effing statue with that smirk on his face. Haley would be the polar opposite. I know Haley has been called the Mini-Tuna by many.

FAX
02-03-2009, 10:54 PM
The more I learn of Haley's comet-like temper, the nervouser I become.

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 10:56 PM
The more I learn of Haley's comet-like temper, the nervouser I become.

FAX

But he's an offensive genius, Mr. FAX. You know, that offense with the HOF QB and the 2 All-World WR's? The job he's had for one year?

He has to be a good HC.

jAZ
02-03-2009, 10:57 PM
Uhh, I guess this is either reason to like the guy or not like the guy, depending on (whether he wins).
Fixed.

DaWolf
02-03-2009, 10:58 PM
Here's another reason Pioli might be considering him for this job, outside of the fact he was there for the Cardinals turnaround:

I was there in New York when we went from 1-15 to 9-7 in 1996 to '97, so if that can be done, anything can be done.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-cardcoach012909,0,7976137.story

Crush
02-03-2009, 10:58 PM
The more I learn of Haley's comet-like temper, the nervouser I become.

FAX


For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 11:02 PM
For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

Passion and holding players accountable is different than screaming and losing your cool. Which seems to be something that occurs everywhere he goes.

frank58
02-03-2009, 11:03 PM
I'd like to see a head coach on the sidelines that shows some emotions too. I think a team can feed off of that and will play with more intensity because of it. Only thing that concerns me about this is that it doesn't seem to fit the type of working relationship that Pioli had in N.E. with Belicheck. He has stated that if both of them didn't agree on a player to acquire, they just stayed away from them. Doesn't sound like Haley has been able to do that in the past. Maybe that would be different with him as a head coach working with Pioli?

FAX
02-03-2009, 11:03 PM
But he's an offensive genius, Mr. FAX. You know, that offense with the HOF QB and the 2 All-World WR's? The job he's had for one year?

He has to be a good HC.

We must trust in Pioli, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. I'm certain that Scotty will beam us up the best possible HC he can find under the circumstances. We can, I think, also rest assured that Pioli is taking the peculiarities of the Arizona situation into account ... as well as Haley's anger issues.

... I hope.

FAX

FAX
02-03-2009, 11:06 PM
For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

I'm all for a head coach with fire and enthusiasm, Mr. Crush. Someone who demands the best out of his players. It's just that these stories seem to describe a guy who tries to solve his problems by screaming at them. Sometimes, that doesn't actually work.

Think Gunther.

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 11:06 PM
We must trust in Pioli, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. I'm certain that Scotty will beam us up the best possible HC he can find under the circumstances. We can, I think, also rest assured that Pioli is taking the peculiarities of the Arizona situation into account ... as well as Haley's anger issues.

... I hope.

FAX

I trust him Mr. FAX.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again now:

If Pioli DOES hire Haley, I'll support him, and hope like hell I'm served a large plate of crow in the near future. Unlike others here, I'll be happy to eat it.

JBucc
02-03-2009, 11:06 PM
He's gonna choke Pioli to death on draft day.

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 11:07 PM
I'm all for a head coach with fire and enthusiasm, Mr. Crush. Someone who demands the best out of his players. It's just that these stories seem to describe a guy who tries to solve his problems by screaming at them. Sometimes, that doesn't actually work.

Think Gunther.

FAX

Or Krumrie.

chief52
02-03-2009, 11:07 PM
Passion and holding players accountable is different than screaming and losing your cool. Which seems to be something that occurs everywhere he goes.

You think maybe that is just what the cameras catch? I do...

Count Zarth
02-03-2009, 11:07 PM
I didn't know he was 41.

Do we really want an owner, GM and HC ALL in their early 40s?

OnTheWarpath58
02-03-2009, 11:09 PM
I didn't know he was 41.

Do we really want an owner, GM and HC ALL in their early 40s?

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FAX
02-03-2009, 11:09 PM
Or Krumrie.

Didn't Pioli play on the defensive line in college?

The first time Krumrie tries to play patty-cake with him, it's see me in my office and bring your playbook time.

FAX

tk13
02-03-2009, 11:13 PM
It's definitely the biggest concern about Haley. I'm not against hiring him but it's definitely a concern.

But everybody likes somebody who yells and screams, thinking it's going to make things better somehow. And there's a time for that... you want someone passionate. But this defense especially has been coached by two of the angriest guys in football, Gun and Krumrie. And that hasn't helped. I know Herm's calm but we just had the worst pass rush in NFL history with a defensive line coach that probably yells more than anyone in the NFL.

blueballs
02-03-2009, 11:15 PM
Temper is what made Phillip Rivers Gun's bitch
if Gun can figure it out

Extra Point
02-03-2009, 11:16 PM
Krumrie is gone. The hand drills don't mean shit. It's the hips, man.

Sure-Oz
02-03-2009, 11:21 PM
I'm sure Christian Bale was just getting ready for his next role as Todd Haley in the story of the 2008-09 cards

Count Zarth
02-03-2009, 11:31 PM
I'm sure Christian Bale was just getting ready for his next role as Todd Haley in the story of the 2008-09 cards

Epic win! ROFL

KCCHIEFS27
02-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Here's another reason Pioli might be considering him for this job, outside of the fact he was there for the Cardinals turnaround:

"I was there in New York when we went from 1-15 to 9-7 in 1996 to '97, so if that can be done, anything can be done."

Wow, don't bring up that quote around here..a lot of people think going 9-7 is worse then going 1-15.

Thig Lyfe
02-03-2009, 11:43 PM
For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

Yup.

And I trust Pioli on these kinds of judgment calls.

BigRock
02-03-2009, 11:55 PM
I'm all for a head coach with fire and enthusiasm, Mr. Crush. Someone who demands the best out of his players. It's just that these stories seem to describe a guy who tries to solve his problems by screaming at them. Sometimes, that doesn't actually work.

I think it's somewhat less of a concern considering that some pretty good players, Fitzgerald topping the list, have directly credited Haley with making them better.

I'd like to see one guy say that about Gun. Maybe Kawika would, but piss on him.

Rausch
02-03-2009, 11:57 PM
Yup.

And I trust Pioli on these kinds of judgment calls.

I don't on this one.

He's a fucking hothead and easily irritated.

I don't mind a Caesar. In fact, I'll welcome one who knows his $3it.

He's no Caesar, he's Caligula...

RustShack
02-03-2009, 11:59 PM
So what I'm getting with this is Haley tends to be wrong and doesn't know when to stop... and that hes terrible at evaluating talent?

T-post Tom
02-04-2009, 12:06 AM
For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

Didn't seem to work for Gunther here lately. I'm just sayin'...

T-post Tom
02-04-2009, 12:09 AM
I don't on this one.

He's a ****ing hothead and easily irritated.

I don't mind a Caesar. In fact, I'll welcome one who knows his $3it.

He's no Caesar, he's Caligula...

Caligula? Really? Does that mean he'll be boinkin' all the cheerleaders and letting the coaches defile the players' wives? Rufas Dawes to get a good fisting?

Crush
02-04-2009, 12:16 AM
Didn't seem to work for Gunther here lately. I'm just sayin'...


Gunther was a moron. I am assuming that Haley actually knows XOs and Pioli knows Haley in and out.

Crush
02-04-2009, 12:18 AM
Caligula? Really? Does that mean he'll be boinkin' all the cheerleaders and letting the coaches defile the players' wives? Rufas Dawes to get a good fisting?


Please, do not give the porn industry any ideas. The last thing the world needs to see is Rufus Dawes fisting anybody ...or getting fisted.

Rausch
02-04-2009, 12:23 AM
Caligula? Really? Does that mean he'll be boinkin' all the cheerleaders and letting the coaches defile the players' wives? Rufas Dawes to get a good fisting?

I think that he's the type of man once given full power will allow his urges and impulses to bring down his empire/team.

I'm not going to pretend I have stats on being a pr!ck, something to back up my opinion. I don't. I can't prove a "bad feeling" and I won't pretend to be able to.

But he's a pr!ck. And not in the good kind of way that earns respect...

FAX
02-04-2009, 12:24 AM
That's kind of the feeling I'm getting, too, Mr. Rausch.

Still, if he's willing to fist Rufus Dawes, I guess it's okay.

FAX

Rausch
02-04-2009, 12:32 AM
That's kind of the feeling I'm getting, too, Mr. Rausch.

Still, if he's willing to fist Rufus Dawes, I guess it's okay.

FAX

Well then...I am willing to negotiate.

Were someone willing to search for fiber with the other clinched fist, starting on the south end, from the kicker who shall not be named...I.....perhaps I'd waver.

Darth CarlSatan
02-04-2009, 01:07 AM
"Thank you for keeping your foot on my throat".

Fitz to Haley after the NFC Championship.

T-post Tom
02-04-2009, 01:17 AM
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Rausch
02-04-2009, 01:42 AM
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That was, word for word, my pitch last job interview.

I got it, but...uh...I had to breathe in a lot of hazardous chemichals and now I'm laid off so....yeah...

But when they walked me out with a security escourt the HR gal had HUGE tits....so I've had that going for me in the shower for a few days now...

Boris The Great
02-04-2009, 01:58 AM
But hes a pr!ck. And not in the good kind of way that earns respect...

Thats funny, considering how many of the players who have played for him openly discuss how much they respect him. Even douchebags like Keyshawn Johnson praise him to the moon.

You know a franchise has become completely pussyfied when fans are scared of a firey young coach, who coaches and analysts and players compare to Bill Parcells, because he might yell too much.

The guy doesnt take shit, doesnt kiss ass (ask Jerry Jones), and he has a track record of getting the most out of the players he works with. People forget or they dont know, but Haley is the guy who was running the Cowboys passing offense when Tony Romo emerged. He develops receivers, even making good ones like Fitzgerald get better. He helps QBs get sharp. He can obviously call an offense.

Oh no, anyone but him! He might start yelling at someone!

Rausch
02-04-2009, 02:07 AM
Even douchebags like Keyshawn Johnson praise him to the moon.

Well fuck, I should take a step back then...

You know a franchise has become completely pussyfied when fans are scared of a firey young coach, who coaches and analysts and players compare to Bill Parcells, because he might yell too much.

No, no they fucking don't.

They compare his TEMPER to Parcells. Nothing else.

Nothing else, IN ANY WAY is similar to Parcells...

Orlandochiefsgrl
02-04-2009, 05:36 AM
we need a guy who can draft guys that can do pretty well in Canada or an arena league.

wazu
02-04-2009, 06:07 AM
we need a guy who can draft guys that can do pretty well in Canada or an arena league.

That should be pretty easy, because they all do in round 6.

wazu
02-04-2009, 06:08 AM
Krumrie is gone.

Link?

tomahawk kid
02-04-2009, 06:30 AM
Passion and holding players accountable is different than screaming and losing your cool. Which seems to be something that occurs everywhere he goes.

THIS.

I think perhaps this is my big concern with Haley.

I'm worried about him throwing what amount to temper tantrums and losing the team as a result.

I'm not against holding players accountable (far from it), but I think I just don't like Haley's manner of doing it.....

rad
02-04-2009, 06:42 AM
Please, do not give the porn industry any ideas. The last thing the world needs to see is Rufus Dawes fisting anybody ...or getting fisted.

1) Join Netflix

2) Queue "Caligula"

3) Clean vomit off your boner.

Iowanian
02-04-2009, 07:13 AM
Goonter yells, spits, scowls, drools and shouts at players, during the game etc....and he's been shown to be a shitty head coach, and passed by, by the game itself.

JASONSAUTO
02-04-2009, 07:22 AM
I didn't know he was 41.

Do we really want an owner, GM and HC ALL in their early 40s?

does it matter what WE want? IIRC clark calls the shots, what does he want?

TRR
02-04-2009, 07:37 AM
When it comes down to it, does the screaming and yelling have good information behind it? Or is it empty yelling? Gun Cunningham and Tim Krumrie did enough empty yelling the last couple of years to make me nervous about Todd Haley. But...only time will tell if there is a message behind it.

Hog Farmer
02-04-2009, 07:45 AM
I bet he brings a pair of diapers for LJ.

JuicesFlowing
02-04-2009, 07:47 AM
Haley routinely went at it with Keyshawn Johnson with the Jets, once took on T.O. on national TV in Dallas and had a blow-up in the NFC Championship with Cardinals’ Pro Bowler Anquan Boldin that made national headlines.



:bravo:

Darth CarlSatan
02-04-2009, 07:51 AM
1) Join Netflix

2) Queue "Caligula"

3) Clean vomit off your boner.

LMAO

Great movie!

Anyong Bluth
02-04-2009, 09:20 AM
This article is horrible. I can't tell if its supposed to be flattering or a loose backhand to the guy's coaching history? Though it is easier to decipher that there are some pretty gunshy fans out there who def. would rather play it too safe and avoid it not working out over shooting for finding a diamond and greatness. Carl Peterson thanks you for that, and told me to remind you that the next installment on your season tickets is due no later than the 24th.
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Brock
02-04-2009, 09:25 AM
He appears to be a very smart coach. A major change from the past 10 years.

Dr. Facebook Fever
02-04-2009, 09:29 AM
The more I learn of Haley's comet-like temper, the nervouser I become.

FAX

Me too.

CoMoChief
02-04-2009, 09:36 AM
Being Firey and intense is nice to have to a degree.

I just want a coach who knows what the fuck theyre doing.

Tuckdaddy
02-04-2009, 09:52 AM
For some reason, Mr. FAX, I feel the exact opposite. The more I hear about Haley's temper, the more I like the guy. This entire team needs someone to repeatedly kick them in the balls.

The problem with having a temper and screaming all the time is that it won't work over time. Eventually people will tune you out and not listen. Chewing out people is tool to get their attention, not a way of leadrship.

Darth CarlSatan
02-04-2009, 09:55 AM
Here's an idea'r: Go to the Cards website and see if they have any two-minute short clips like KCC.com, that feature Haley doing some Coaching.

Yes, I AM a genius.

doomy3
02-04-2009, 10:00 AM
I didn't know he was 41.

Do we really want an owner, GM and HC ALL in their early 40s?

the Anti-Raiders.

DeezNutz
02-04-2009, 10:06 AM
The draft room anecdote seems like vintage Gunther.

In my mind, the Siavii selection went down in similar fashion.

lazepoo
02-04-2009, 10:19 AM
Caligula? Really? Does that mean he'll be boinkin' all the cheerleaders and letting the coaches defile the players' wives? Rufas Dawes to get a good fisting?

I think it means he would sleep with all the ballboys and feed the practice squad to a pride of lions every other Sunday. The Rufus Dawes fisting and the coaches defiling players wives could come true, though. In the end, I guess that Todd Haley goes crazy from syphilis and tries to burn down Arrowhead.