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EyePod
02-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Updated: February 5, 2009, 11:58 AM ET
Texans' minicamp drills questioned

Illegal Contact Drills Caused Injury

Texans OL Dan Stevenson alleges impermissable contact drills caused injury

HOUSTON -- When the Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou)' coaching staff announced to the linemen that they would be running one-on-one blocking drills during minicamp last May, the rumbling started immediately, players say.
The NFL's rules about minicamp are spelled out in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association: no contact, no pads.
"There's a reason why these drills are prohibited in the offseason," offensive guard Dan Stevenson said (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9791). "Football is dangerous enough as it is."
But several sources told ESPN that even after the team's player representatives complained to head coach Gary Kubiak, the drills continued; and by the end of minicamp, three players had suffered season-ending injuries.
According to four players and a member of the team's front office who spoke on the condition of anonymity, Kubiak and his coaching staff conducted the drills despite the fact that players were not wearing pads. Their only protection, they said, was helmets.

"Outside the Lines (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/index)" takes an in-depth look at accusations that the Houston Texans coaching staff required players to participate in contact blocking drills last May in violation of NFL rules. See T.J. Quinn's report Sunday at 9 a.m. ET.


"It was a live blocking drill. There were people getting pancaked. Everyone's going as hard as he can," Stevenson said. Stevenson suffered a labrum tear in his right shoulder that he believes might end his career.
"I was the third offensive lineman who was done for the season, just from that drill," offensive tackle Jordan Black (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4611) said. "If nobody's going to stand up, it's just going to continue."

Black had surgery to repair a torn labrum, was released by the team in June and has since signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=jac). Chukky Okobi (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2695) suffered a triceps injury, and has not signed with a new club.

"I felt like, for my career, my occupation, my dreams, for all this to be taken away from me, to be jeopardized not for just one season but for my entire football career for something that wasn't supposed to be done -- I was upset," Stevenson said.

Okobi couldn't be reached for comment. Black and Stevenson said that although they accept football's injury risks, they are distressed that their seasons ended in a drill they say should not have taken place.
Stevenson and Black have labor grievances pending against the team, and Stevenson plans to sue the Texans.
Asked about the players' charges, team counsel Suzie Thomas wrote in an e-mail, "I am unable to comment, other than to say that information set forth ... is inaccurate."

Kubiak did not return calls to his office at Reliant Stadium.
NFL and NFLPA officials said there is no specific punishment defined for a team that holds prohibited drills during a minicamp. An NFL spokesman said grievances have been filed in relation to the mini-camp drills and the league will look into the players' allegations as part of that process.

Stevenson's current grievance is a "non-injury" complaint that relates to the minicamp drill. A previous injury grievance was denied by the NFL Management Council. In that rejection, the NFLMC cited numerous procedural problems with Stevenson's complaint.

One portion of the rejection letter, Stevenson said, read, "the Texans deny ... that 'players were required to participate in drills which are explicitly prohibited.' "

Once the team denied that the drill had taken place, Stevenson took a video camera into the Texans' meeting room and filmed the team's video of the workout. The video, which was provided to ESPN, shows what appears to be full-speed, full-contact drills.

Black and former Texans lineman Fred Weary (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3594) also signed notarized affidavits supporting Stevenson's description of what took place during minicamp, from the complaints of the player representatives to Stevenson's shoulder injury.

The players said it is not uncommon for coaches on many teams to schedule such drills during minicamp, but it is unusual for coaches to proceed with the drills when players object.

Tom DePaso, associate general counsel for the NFLPA, said the union often hears complaints about offseason drills that violate the CBA.

"It's this classic thing in the offseason. Coaches really want to get started on the new season; and on the other hand, we need our guys to learn and they need to rest," DePaso said.

DePaso wouldn't specifically address the grievances against the Texans or the three players who suffered season-ending injuries.
"If that were the case," he said, "that would be extraordinary." <!-- template inline --> <!-- end sidebar table -->

Man, that coach is gonna be in troubbbblllleeeeee

Goapics1
02-05-2009, 11:39 AM
Gary Kubiak

Former Donkey. Go figure.

Wilson8
02-05-2009, 11:41 AM
If the league does take action they really will have to do the same for all NFL teams. Even though there is a rule against contact, almost all teams (maybe all) do it.

Brock
02-05-2009, 11:44 AM
The interesting thing about that article is that Jordan Black is still in the NFL.

EyePod
02-05-2009, 11:48 AM
The interesting thing about that article is that Jordan Black is still in the NFL.

I thought the same thing! I'm surprised that the Jaguars signed him...

Wilson8
02-05-2009, 11:52 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/08/cluelessness-regarding-nature-of-offseason-workouts-continues/

SNR
02-05-2009, 11:53 AM
I hope there's not a deadline to getting those complaints registered with the NFLPA. Otherwise Jordan Black will probably let it pass right by him

EyePod
02-05-2009, 12:03 PM
I hope there's not a deadline to getting those complaints registered with the NFLPA. Otherwise Jordan Black will probably let it pass right by him

NICE!!!!!

EyePod
02-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Here's the link for the ESPN article BTW:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3885900

Skip Towne
02-05-2009, 12:12 PM
Yep, I-65 is still masquerading as an NFL player.

HemiEd
02-05-2009, 12:29 PM
Yep, I-65 is still masquerading as an NFL player.

But wouldn't you trade Mc Intosh for him pretty quickly? Another area, Herm's changes WERE NOT an improvement, just a change.

EyePod
02-05-2009, 12:30 PM
But wouldn't you trade Mc Intosh for him pretty quickly? Another area, Herm's changes WERE NOT an improvement, just a change.

I wouldn't. At least we saw one good play from Sackintosh. We never saw anything good from Jordan Black.

KCrockaholic
02-05-2009, 12:54 PM
I wouldn't. At least we saw one good play from Sackintosh. We never saw anything good from Jordan Black.

It was a helluva play! On 2 tiny cornerbacks...

EyePod
02-05-2009, 01:01 PM
It was a helluva play! On 2 tiny cornerbacks...

Don't go nitpicking. At least give the guy credit where it's due. He had that one amazing play. I'm not saying anything about the rest of his career as a Chief, but that play was fucking awesome.

CoMoChief
02-05-2009, 01:13 PM
Don't go nitpicking. At least give the guy credit where it's due. He had that one amazing play. I'm not saying anything about the rest of his career as a Chief, but that play was ****ing awesome.

Kinda of like Sasha Kaun and his career at KU.

Sucked 99.9% of the time, but then came up huge in the tourney against Davidson.

EyePod
02-05-2009, 01:22 PM
Kinda of like Sasha Kaun and his career at KU.

Sucked 99.9% of the time, but then came up huge in the tourney against Davidson.

LOL. But you gotta respect him for getting a degree in Computer Science. He's probably programming missiles for the Ruskie's now.

J Diddy
02-05-2009, 01:41 PM
Jordan black tore his labia?

Poor Jordan.

EyePod
02-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Jordan black tore his labia?

Poor Jordan.

hahahaha. That's a good one. Labrum is pretty close to Labia... I bet they're just covering for him by saying it was a torn labrum...

MIAdragon
02-05-2009, 02:05 PM
Kinda of like Sasha Kaun and his career at KU.

Sucked 99.9% of the time, but then came up huge in the tourney against Davidson.

Damn still hating on the kid....

EyePod
02-05-2009, 02:09 PM
Damn still hating at the kid....

He was named to the All-Big-12 team 3 years in a row. Was he actaully that bad?

Brock
02-05-2009, 02:10 PM
He was named to the All-Big-12 team 3 years in a row. Was he actaully that bad?

You have to be a fan of both MU football and KU basketball to understand Como's autistic brilliance.

MIAdragon
02-05-2009, 02:11 PM
He was named to the All-Big-12 team 3 years in a row. Was he actaully that bad?

He seems to be 3rd on the depth chart do maybe.

HemiEd
02-05-2009, 02:54 PM
I wouldn't. At least we saw one good play from Sackintosh. We never saw anything good from Jordan Black.

You are just being silly, HiWay 65 played better overall than the speed bump.

beach tribe
02-05-2009, 02:58 PM
They lost Jordan Black. Their fucked.

Reaper16
02-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Kinda of like Sasha Kaun and his career at KU.

Sucked 99.9% of the time, but then came up huge in the tourney against Davidson.
Gotta' <s>love</s> hate a KU b-ball fan who never actually watches the games.

Bob Dole
02-05-2009, 03:08 PM
Looks like Kubiak learned a lot while he was in Denver.