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Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Do you think the Iggles would trade their #20 and 27 draft picks this year and next year's 1st round draft pick for our #3 and Larry Johnson?

This might be a win/win situation for both teams. The draft picks would probably come out to the same value approximately. We get rid of Larry Johnson while at the same time get a couple of much needed first round draft picks. The Iggles get their two most pressing needs as they make one more run for the Superbowl, a running back and (presumably) a star WR in Crabtree.

ChiefsCountry
02-06-2009, 02:40 PM
:banghead:

keg in kc
02-06-2009, 02:41 PM
I can't imagine Larry Johnson carries any trade value at all now. They'd be trading 3 first round draft picks for a headcase and a top-5 salary to a rookie. Doesn't sound very Eagle-esque to me.

ChiefRon
02-06-2009, 02:41 PM
No, they wouldn't and we wouldn't.

OnTheWarpath58
02-06-2009, 02:42 PM
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'Hamas' Jenkins
02-06-2009, 02:43 PM
Do you think the Iggles would trade their #20 and 27 draft picks this year and next year's 1st round draft pick for our #3 and Larry Johnson?

This might be a win/win situation for both teams. The draft picks would probably come out to the same value approximately. We get rid of Larry Johnson while at the same time get a couple of much needed first round draft picks. The Iggles get their two most pressing needs as they make one more run for the Superbowl, a running back and (presumably) a star WR in Crabtree.

That is retarded.
You are retarded.

sedated
02-06-2009, 02:43 PM
wouldn't that mean that LJ has first-round pick value? he clearly doesn't.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-06-2009, 02:43 PM
WOW, this isn't Madden franchise mode.

rad
02-06-2009, 02:44 PM
THERE IT IS!!!!!!

sedated
02-06-2009, 02:45 PM
That is retarded.
You are retarded.

this

alpha_omega
02-06-2009, 02:47 PM
We will be lucky to get a cheeseburger for LJ.

Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 02:47 PM
I can't imagine Larry Johnson carries any trade value at all now. They'd be trading 3 first round draft picks for a headcase and a top-5 salary to a rookie. Doesn't sound very Eagle-esque to me.

The #3 pick has a value of 2200 points.

The #20 pick has a value of 850
The #27 pick has a value of 680

Assuming the Iggles make it to the NFC Championship game, thier pick would be worth 620 points

2200 points vs 2150? And getting LJ? They are $25M under the cap, they can take his salary.

easymobee
02-06-2009, 02:48 PM
RBs don't have that kind of trade value. The seahawks couldnt get a 2nd rounder for Shaun Alexander when he was coming off of an MVP season. The Colts couldn't get the same for Edgerrin James when he was still considered elite. Adrian Peterson is the only RB i could think of demanding a trade package loaded with multiple 1st rounders.
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Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 02:48 PM
wouldn't that mean that LJ has first-round pick value? he clearly doesn't.

You are reading impaired, huh? Where does it say that he has first round value? Using the draft chart, it would say that he has a low 4th round value. (26th pick in the 4th round) Actually, we'd be giving them the value of a low 4th rounder to take him off our hands....

sedated
02-06-2009, 02:51 PM
The #3 pick has a value of 2200 points.

The #20 pick has a value of 850
The #27 pick has a value of 680

Assuming the Iggles make it to the NFC Championship game, thier pick would be worth 620 points

2200 points vs 2150? And getting LJ? They are $25M under the cap, they can take his salary.

I think all future firsts have the same value, i.e. "undetermined first rounder"

you can't assume a team will go to the super bowl just to lower the value of next year's pick.

and they might have cap space for LJ's salary, but they don't have the patience for his bullsh!t. I doubt many do. He'll get cut and sign a minimal deal somewhere. If he were a baseball player, no one would give him more than a minor-league contract.

sedated
02-06-2009, 02:52 PM
You are reading impaired, huh? Where does it say that he has first round value? Using the draft chart, it would say that he has a low 4th round value. (26th pick in the 4th round)

a team can trade a top 3 pick for 2 lower first rounders, or a first-rounder this year and one next year.

you said 3 first-rounders total.

you are thinking impaired, huh?

keg in kc
02-06-2009, 02:53 PM
The #3 pick has a value of 2200 points.

The #20 pick has a value of 850
The #27 pick has a value of 680

Assuming the Iggles make it to the NFC Championship game, thier pick would be worth 620 points

2200 points vs 2150? And getting LJ? They are $25M under the cap, they can take his salary.You can throw the chart out.

This isn't the kind of move the eagles would make, history says. They get rid of players like LJ, they don't bring them in. They look for upside guys. Owens is the obvious exception to this, but LJ is not the kind of dominant player he was, and 30 isn't the same thing for a WR that is for a RB.

In any case, they needed to trade LJ 2 years ago. His value now is next to nothing. I wouldn't be entirely shocked to see him cut outright.

bevis369
02-06-2009, 02:53 PM
RaiduhsRaiduhs:

bong::bong:

Frankie
02-06-2009, 02:56 PM
:banghead:

Why? What FE is suggesting is not likely to happen but he has a point there.

ChiefsCountry
02-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Why in the hell would we want to drop out of #3, is the big question.

easymobee
02-06-2009, 02:56 PM
LJ and the #3 pick would equal about 100 million dollars plus for the Eagles to foot the bill for, not so sure they'd want LJ included in a deal even if they were interested in the 3rd pick. They'd probably prefer to have Casey Printers be the throw in.
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Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 02:57 PM
I think all future firsts have the same value, i.e. "undetermined first rounder"

you can't assume a team will go to the super bowl just to lower the value of next year's pick.



I think it is safe to assume that the Iggles won't be picking in the upper half of the draft next year. In that case, worse case scenario, the Iggles lose out on 300 points of draft value...still the equivalent of a 3rd rounder....

Frankie
02-06-2009, 02:58 PM
Why in the hell would we want to drop out of #3, is the big question.

Because there's no one we desparately need worth the 3rd position.

ChiefsCountry
02-06-2009, 02:59 PM
Because there's no one we desparately need worth the 3rd position.

Bullshit. Draft isnt about need anyways, its why we are in the fucking position we are now. I dont know why I spend time arguing with you, its like talking to a brick wall.

Frankie
02-06-2009, 03:05 PM
Bullshit. Draft isnt about need anyways.ROFL



I dont know why I spend time arguing with you, its like talking to a brick wall.

You don't need to respond. That said, we have desperate needs at QB, LB and DE. Curry is the only one from those positions I see as anything close to a top 3 choice. So why not try to see if we could trade down to about 8-12 and go after Sanchez?

sedated
02-06-2009, 03:06 PM
I think it is safe to assume that the Iggles won't be picking in the upper half of the draft next year.

I bet the same was said about the Browns, Jaguars, Seahawks, and Packers last year.

sedated
02-06-2009, 03:07 PM
ROFL




You don't need to respond. That said, we have desperate needs at QB, LB and DE. Curry is the only one from those positions I see as anything close to a top 3 choice. So why not try to see if we could trade down to about 8-12 and go after Sanchez?

Going after "need" in the first round is what keeps teams picking in the top 10 year after year.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-06-2009, 03:09 PM
I think all future firsts have the same value, i.e. "undetermined first rounder"

you can't assume a team will go to the super bowl just to lower the value of next year's pick.

and they might have cap space for LJ's salary, but they don't have the patience for his bullsh!t. I doubt many do. He'll get cut and sign a minimal deal somewhere. If he were a baseball player, no one would give him more than a minor-league contract.

"Next year's first" has the value of a second rounder, so the points don't even add up. Plus, by trading him, his bonuses are accelerated against our cap.

Frankie
02-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Going after "need" in the first round is what keeps teams picking in the top 10 year after year.

I disagree. The nature of every year and every team dictates the strategy. If you are a rebuilding team you try to fill holes. If you are a playoffs team you go BPA every damn draft. We do not yet have that luxury.

Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 03:10 PM
"Next year's first" has the value of a second rounder, so the points don't even add up. Plus, by trading him, his bonuses are accelerated against our cap.

His bonuses are accelerated against our cap if we cut him too....

Hog Farmer
02-06-2009, 03:12 PM
This has got to be the dumbest thread in the history of the intraweb !!!!

Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 03:15 PM
"Next year's first" has the value of a second rounder, so the points don't even add up. Plus, by trading him, his bonuses are accelerated against our cap.

We need to rebuild the team, we need draft picks. So yeah, the Iggles get a little better deal, but not that much. Like I said, whether we trade him or we cut him, Larry's bonuses are going to be accelerated against our cap. He isn't going to be a Chief next year, period--his bonuses are going to be accelerated one way or another.

sedated
02-06-2009, 03:16 PM
I disagree. The nature of every year and every team dictates the strategy. If you are a rebuilding team you try to fill holes. If you are a playoffs team you go BPA every damn draft. We do not yet have that luxury.

Filling holes is for free agency and pornos.

The draft is about BPA, especially in the high first-round.

Drafted players don't hit their peak until 3-7 years in the future, and who knows what the team will look like by then.

We didn't NEED any offensive lineman in 2004, but if we would've draft Chris Snee instead of Junior Siiavi, we'd be better off today, wouldn't we?

ChiefsCountry
02-06-2009, 03:19 PM
First of all this trade wouldn't go down bc Philadelphia wouldn't do it. They dont draft WR's in the first round and the only one was Freddie Mitchell. They totally devalue the position. Eagles draft OL and DL with most of their first round picks. For RB, why would they want LJ when they can get McCoy or Wells with their first round pick? They can get a younger RB and max him and salary out better than they can with LJ.

sedated
02-06-2009, 03:20 PM
We need to rebuild the team, we need draft picks. So yeah, the Iggles get a little better deal, but not that much. Like I said, whether we trade him or we cut him, Larry's bonuses are going to be accelerated against our cap. He isn't going to be a Chief next year, period--his bonuses are going to be accelerated one way or another.

this is a good deal for the Eagles? :spock:

they get 1 unproven player who will cost them an arm and a leg, and a washed-up, broke-down locker room cancer. we get 3 first-round picks.


I dare you to take a poll at an Eagles board and see who they think gets the better deal

Hog Farmer
02-06-2009, 03:25 PM
How about we just trade LJ to the Bengals for tere first round pick in 2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018.

ottawa_chiefs_fan
02-06-2009, 03:31 PM
How about we just trade LJ to the Bengals for tere first round pick in 2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018.

Bengals wouldn't go for that but Detroit might.

DeepPurple
02-06-2009, 03:52 PM
Look at it from the other way. Since the Chiefs need defense, would you trade the Chiefs number #20 and 27 draft picks this year and next year's 1st round draft pick for the Ravens #26 and Terrell Suggs? (6'3", 260 pounds, 26 years old, in his 6 seasons Suggs has 5 INTs (2 for TDs), 15 forced fumbles, 10 fumble recoveries, 263 tackles, and 53 sacks.) Plus, Suggs is not a head case and gives 100% and is almost impossible to keep out of the lineup for injury.

As a Ravens fan, I don't think I would even take all those picks for Suggs, he's too valuable. The Eagles would love to have Johnson, just like alot of other teams, but you're going to have to lower your expectations.

PhillyChiefFan
02-06-2009, 04:11 PM
:spock:

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-06-2009, 04:13 PM
First of all this trade wouldn't go down bc Philadelphia wouldn't do it. They dont draft WR's in the first round and the only one was Freddie Mitchell. They totally devalue the position. Eagles draft OL and DL with most of their first round picks. For RB, why would they want LJ when they can get McCoy or Wells with their first round pick? They can get a younger RB and max him and salary out better than they can with LJ.

But, but LJ has name recognition!!!!!

Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 04:18 PM
How about we just trade LJ to the Bengals for tere first round pick in 2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018.

Pig spunk drunk, huh?

Frankie
02-06-2009, 05:13 PM
Bengals wouldn't go for that but Detroit might.

What if we dropped 2018 from our demand?

Rain Man
02-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Did Brian Westbrook die?

Fat Elvis
02-06-2009, 06:17 PM
Did Brian Westbrook die?

If it facilitates the departure of Larry Johnson, I'm sure it can be arranged....

tmax63
02-06-2009, 06:23 PM
But is the Eagles on LJ's wish list of where he wants to go??????????????????? We all know that the Chiefs have to consider only the teams that LJ wants to play for...