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Chiefs=Good
02-09-2009, 06:47 PM
Boo..

Ok lets say that the unspeakable happens and Stafford and Sanchez are both taken by pick 3.. What would you do?

With trading down basically impossible, who would you pick?

Personally I would take either Maclin or Jenkins…

NickAthanFan
02-09-2009, 06:55 PM
I'd collect memberships.

Chiefs=Good
02-09-2009, 06:57 PM
I'd collect memberships.

lol..

Buehler445
02-09-2009, 06:58 PM
I'd collect memberships.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Who's the dupe?

bdeg
02-09-2009, 08:17 PM
Great question. I think Crabtree, or either Curry or Everette Brown depending on which defense we use next season.

Chiefs=Good
02-09-2009, 08:50 PM
Great question. I think Crabtree, or either Curry or Everette Brown depending on which defense we use next season.

Hmm i wonder if we move to a 3-4 if everette brown can be justified.. Is he more suited as an 4-3 end, or a 3-4 OLB?

Mecca
02-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Hmm i wonder if we move to a 3-4 if everette brown can be justified.. Is he more suited as an 4-3 end, or a 3-4 OLB?

He weighs like 250lbs so he's kind of a tweener.

bowener
02-09-2009, 08:56 PM
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

aturnis
02-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

If you were going to do that...you might as well just take terrible value in a trade, at least that way you get something for it. Swap 1st's and pick up a 2nd or something...

AustinChief
02-09-2009, 09:15 PM
If you were going to do that...you might as well just take terrible value in a trade, at least that way you get something for it. Swap 1st's and pick up a 2nd or something...

I am sure that as much as WE think we can say there won't be any value for us at #3 unless [insert pet pick here] is still on the board... I can't imagine that will be the case on draft day.

NickAthanFan
02-09-2009, 09:28 PM
I am sure that as much as WE think we can say there won't be any value for us at #3 unless [insert pet pick here] is still on the board... I can't imagine that will be the case on draft day.

If it went down QB #1 and #2 there might be someone interested in the top LT or something where we're at---but there's a lot of great ones this year so who knows.

I'll go write a storey about this.

Sam Hall
02-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Might as well take Aaron Curry if he's the BPA.

Chiefs=Good
02-10-2009, 01:37 AM
He weighs like 250lbs so he's kind of a tweener.

Harrison weighs 240 while ware wayscloserto 260 i think.. does it really matter that much? I mean I understand that this is the worst possible situation and hope like heck it dosnt go this way, but if were moving toa 3-4 to me it seems like he may be worth the pick...

PhillyChiefFan
02-10-2009, 05:53 AM
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

Problem is, if there is no one there for us with all the holes we have, who would want to trade up that high when they could probably just sit tight and get the BPA, because they would have to pay them too.

This is a bad draft to be selecting #3. Pick 8-15 I could justify going for a Curry, Jenkins, or Crabtree (though everyone thinks Seattle is going to take Crabtree). But there aren't any Mario Williams, Reggie Bush's or Glenn Dorsey's sitting there this year that teams are drooling over.

PhillyChiefFan
02-10-2009, 05:55 AM
So we are kind of in a bad position, IMHO.

Ari Chi3fs
02-10-2009, 06:31 AM
I doubt that Pioli takes a QB with #3, regardless.

philfree
02-10-2009, 07:47 AM
IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.


PhilFree:arrow:

Danman
02-10-2009, 03:33 PM
That is a tough call. Hope some team has a woody for Crabtree and wants to trade up in front of Seattle. Barring that probably Brown or Crabtree even though I consider each a reach. We can't just wait till the 6th or 7th pick to turn our name in because the players agent will still demand #3 money since we had that pick and the NFL would probably side with the player.

Mecca
02-10-2009, 03:37 PM
If you have to take a player in that spot you take Jenkins.

milkman
02-10-2009, 07:27 PM
IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.


PhilFree:arrow:

It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Mecca
02-10-2009, 07:28 PM
It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Don't tell the anti QB crowd this, if they both got picked those people would start jumping for joy.

philfree
02-10-2009, 08:36 PM
It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.


PhilFree:arrow:

Sam Hall
02-10-2009, 08:45 PM
I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 08:49 PM
Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.


PhilFree:arrow:

Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 08:51 PM
I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

philfree
02-10-2009, 08:59 PM
Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

I know everything in your post. And I understand it. End the end however we are gonna have the 3rd pick in the draft a very good player will be available. That is not a bad situation.

I think every draft site I've seen as Curry ranked above Jenkins.

I bet Pioli makes the best out of it no matter what happens.


PhilFree:arrow:

philfree
02-10-2009, 09:00 PM
Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree:arrow:

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 09:02 PM
So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree:arrow:

Them's the breaks. Happens to even good GM's.

Scott Pioli picked Lawrence Maroney. Hasn't worked out. You move on.

cdcox
02-10-2009, 09:23 PM
I'd draft Andre Smith and trade him for a franchise QB.





Oh wait, ChiefsPlanet members don't run NFL franchises.

StcChief
02-10-2009, 09:27 PM
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.the Vikings oops. clock runs out for an hour. ROFL what would NFL do.

doomy3
02-10-2009, 09:47 PM
Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

What kind of time did AJ and Fitz run? I have been wondering this.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 09:56 PM
What kind of time did AJ and Fitz run? I have been wondering this.

Can't find anything official, I thought AJ ran a sub-4.4 time.



AJ: 4.43

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/1211.html

Fitz: 4.53

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/46239.html


FWIW, people are saying that Crabtree is not running because he'll turn in a time in excess of 4.65 in Indy, and he knows he can time better on a fast track at his pro day.

Basically, he's unwilling to run on a level playing field.

doomy3
02-10-2009, 10:04 PM
Can't find anything official, I thought AJ ran a sub-4.4 time.



AJ: 4.43

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/1211.html

Fitz: 4.53

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/46239.html


FWIW, people are saying that Crabtree is not running because he'll turn in a time in excess of 4.65 in Indy, and he knows he can time better on a fast track at his pro day.

Basically, he's unwilling to run on a level playing field.

People are saying he would run a 4.65? No shit? Man, I don't see that when watching him play.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 10:11 PM
People are saying he would run a 4.65? No shit? Man, I don't see that when watching him play.

The fastest time I've found for him this year is 4.55

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007wrs.html

I've seen reports that he ran a 4.45 at Lubbock his freshman year.

I've seen reports that he's been timed as high as 4.65.

doomy3
02-10-2009, 10:21 PM
The fastest time I've found for him this year is 4.55

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007wrs.html

I've seen reports that he ran a 4.45 at Lubbock his freshman year.

I've seen reports that he's been timed as high as 4.65.

Oh, I believe you. Just surprising. Of course, Fitz plays MUCH faster than his 40 time too.

Sfeihc
02-11-2009, 09:11 AM
Curry, Jenkins or Crabtree in that order. I guess Curry is the pick.

BigCatDaddy
02-11-2009, 09:42 AM
Anybody else hoping Everett Brown performs great the combine and jumps up on the board? This guy is could be the next Ware, Suggs, Merriman, or maybe Allen depending on what type of defense we run. Given the scenario listed above this might be a good pick at 3, given he works out well.

Woodrow Call
02-11-2009, 10:02 AM
My top 3 in this situation

1. Curry
2. Jenkins
3. Maclin

dj56dt58
02-11-2009, 11:00 PM
wouldnt mind Orakpo or Brown..if there isnt a qb, or if we dont get qb..gotta get a pass rusher

dj56dt58
02-11-2009, 11:00 PM
If you have to take a player in that spot you take Jenkins.

christ...imagine Jenkins, Flowers, Carr, and Leggett...add Taylor Mays at safety next year..fuck getting sacks, let em throw it

ChiefRon
02-12-2009, 09:53 AM
Well, this would be a nightmare scenario. If it went down like this, I'd be ok with taking Jenkins, but I would still be pissed. We HAVE to obtain a franchise QB.

In this scenario, I would be OK with trading a 3rd + a conditional next year for Cassel, and if that happened I would also be ok with taking Crabtree or Jenkins.

But I would still be disappointed...

PhillyChiefFan
02-12-2009, 10:42 AM
christ...imagine Jenkins, Flowers, Carr, and Leggett...add Taylor Mays at safety next year..**** getting sacks, let em throw it

:clap: with that secondary?!? absolutely.

PhillyChiefFan
02-12-2009, 10:47 AM
The Jets can't be happy about losing Favre and a weak QB draft class in the same year.

I wonder if they are going to try to jump us and grab one of the QB's with SL or Det, knowing we are *probably* going to take a QB at #3??

Is there any chance of that happening? I'm thinking Kellen Clemons isn't their QBOTF.

OnTheWarpath58
02-12-2009, 11:01 AM
The Jets can't be happy about losing Favre and a weak QB draft class in the same year.

I wonder if they are going to try to jump us and grab one of the QB's with SL or Det, knowing we are *probably* going to take a QB at #3??

Is there any chance of that happening? I'm thinking Kellen Clemons isn't their QBOTF.

First, there's not way they can trade up far enough. Their entire draft is worth about 1500 points, and the 2nd pick is worth 2600.

Second, everything I've read is that the old regime really liked Ratliff. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them have an open competition between Clemens, Ratliff and Ainge and Ratliff being the starter on opening day.

If the new regime decides they don't like any of those guys pre-draft, I could see them trying to make a trade, but that's unlikely, IMO.

PhillyChiefFan
02-12-2009, 11:14 AM
First, there's not way they can trade up far enough. Their entire draft is worth about 1500 points, and the 2nd pick is worth 2600.

Second, everything I've read is that the old regime really liked Ratliff. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them have an open competition between Clemens, Ratliff and Ainge and Ratliff being the starter on opening day.

If the new regime decides they don't like any of those guys pre-draft, I could see them trying to make a trade, but that's unlikely, IMO.

I'm not that informed about the value of the draft. Good stuff thanks!

I was looking at Clemons stats and they are horendous. If he would by chance become starter...I pity Thomas Jones and Leon Washington cause no one would respect their passing game.

Chiefs=Good
02-12-2009, 06:52 PM
First, there's not way they can trade up far enough. Their entire draft is worth about 1500 points, and the 2nd pick is worth 2600.

Second, everything I've read is that the old regime really liked Ratliff. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them have an open competition between Clemens, Ratliff and Ainge and Ratliff being the starter on opening day.

If the new regime decides they don't like any of those guys pre-draft, I could see them trying to make a trade, but that's unlikely, IMO.

They may trade for Anderson...maybe...

orange
02-12-2009, 08:02 PM
First, there's not way they can trade up far enough. Their entire draft is worth about 1500 points, and the 2nd pick is worth 2600.



What about adding players, not just picks? I've looked for but never found anything that tries to assign a value to current players based on that Draft Value Chart. Have you seen such a thing?

MahiMike
02-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

I like it. Just think how smart the Vikings were for having a guy on crutches get passed up by us to get Ryan Sims.:shake:

Tribal Warfare
02-12-2009, 11:08 PM
Anybody else hoping Everett Brown performs great the combine and jumps up on the board? This guy is could be the next Ware, Suggs, Merriman, or maybe Allen depending on what type of defense we run. Given the scenario listed above this might be a good pick at 3, given he works out well.

The guy plays like a faster Pat Swilling