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Frosty
02-10-2009, 10:22 AM
http://www.pe.com/sports/football/stories/PE_Sports_Local_S_nfl_spread_offense.474bfbb.html

FORT LAUDERDALE, FLA. - Anytime Brian Robiskie mentioned a college team that ran the spread offense during his recruiting process, he'd get a lukewarm, sometimes dismissive response from his father.

Terry Robiskie, who has spent 27 years in the NFL coaching receivers and coordinating offenses, eventually broke it down for his son. He told him spread offenses are "pretty and often productive," but stressed that playing in one would likely stunt his development as a receiver and ultimately hurt his chances of succeeding in the NFL.

Brian listened, and even though the Urban Meyer-led Florida Gators were high on his list, he picked Ohio State, where he had 1,866 receiving yards and 24 touchdowns during his college career. Four years later, he's viewed as one of the more polished receivers in the 2009 draft class.

"This is America, so we love to see the ball fly all over the place. But if you are going to make a living in the National Football League, you can't do it in the spread or shotgun formation, throwing the ball for 60 plays a game," Terry Robiskie said. "In the NFL, if you repeatedly leave those two tackles open, they are going to get beat. You can say it's a quick offense, and the ball is going to come out quick. That's accurate. But just as the ball comes out, that $80 million quarterback is going to get hit in his mouth and hit often. That's just the history of this game.

"On this level there are too many Jason Taylors and Bruce Smiths in this world, and they will be better than your best tackle."

While Robiskie clearly isn't a fan of the spread, he's far from alone when it comes to NFL coaches, executives and scouts. Many admit the gimmicky offensive scheme is making it increasingly difficult to evaluate college prospects.

The NFL is usually leery of shotgun quarterbacks coming out of spread offenses, which explains why Florida's Tim Tebow, a Heisman Trophy winner and two-time national champion, was projected by some as a possible third-round pick before deciding to return to UF for his senior season.

"Tebow is a thrower, not a passer," one AFC scout said. "We need to see (Tebow) make read progressions."

It doesn't help that few quarterbacks from spread offenses have had success as pro starters. Alex Smith, who played under Meyer at Utah, was the No. 1 pick of the 2005 draft. His stalled 49ers career and horrendous touchdown-to-interception ratio (19-31) makes a strong argument against drafting spread passers.

"If the quarterback is in the 'gun' all the time, it's a struggle," Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio said. "There are some positives to it, but a lot of negatives. ... But with Florida's recent success you're seeing a little bit more of it."

However, it's not just spread quarterbacks being hurt come evaluation time.

Offensive tackles in the spread are often in a two-point stance instead of having a hand on the ground.

Tight ends are typically flexed out as receivers, and as a result are usually undersized and have raw blocking skills.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said he's had to search hard for game film of Missouri's Chase Coffman, one of the top tight ends of the 2009 draft class, working as a blocker.

Receiver routes in the spread are typically 0 to 11 yards downfield, but the most crucial passes in the NFL are intermediate routes that run 11 to 20 yards.

To combat the influence of the spread, NFL scouts say defenses are becoming smaller because of the need to be quicker. As a result, college linebackers are increasingly becoming the size of NFL safeties, and college safeties the size of NFL cornerbacks.

"It's hard for the NFL to get a read on every position. But what I tell my buddies in the NFL is, 'Get used to it fellas because that spread's not going away,' " Mayock said. "You are going to have to learn how to evaluate these kids."

Influences of the spread have worked their way to the NFL. For the past two years, the Patriots ran passing elements of the spread, and in 2007 it produced one of the best statistical seasons in league history.

Last season, the Chiefs abandoned their pro-set style, replacing it with the spread when Tyler Thigpen took over at quarterback.

Could more of the spread be spreading to football's big leagues?

"It's part of the cycle right now, but it will cycle the other way. That's all football does," said Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who believes the spread is simply an option-read variation of the old run-and-shoot offense. "Teams ran the run-and-shoot for years and years. The Houston Oilers and the Atlanta Falcons had a similar passing concept for a while and then it cycled out. Now this option-read series is cycling its way through college football.

"It goes in cycles. Nothing's new, and nothing lasts forever."

RustShack
02-10-2009, 10:30 AM
Spread = bad

tyton75
02-10-2009, 10:40 AM
Spread = Fun to watch, death to QB's

doomy3
02-10-2009, 10:43 AM
Funny though that Harvin will go way before Robiskie.

DaKCMan AP
02-10-2009, 11:26 AM
Funny though that Harvin will go way before Robiskie.

Harvin, Maclin and Crabtree are all better receivers, faster and/or more physically gifted than Robiskie. That's why they'll go before him.

Danman
02-10-2009, 03:15 PM
Did Mecca write this?

Mecca
02-10-2009, 03:19 PM
I was about to say that sounds like pretty much exactly what I've been saying...

I will always have serious question about drafting anyone from the spread.

milkman
02-10-2009, 07:43 PM
Harvin, Maclin and Crabtree are all better receivers, faster and/or more physically gifted than Robiskie. That's why they'll go before him.

True.

But if Robiskie had played his college ball in the spread, he'd probably be looked at as a possible 6th round pick as opposed to a 3rd or 4th rounder.

doomy3
02-10-2009, 09:01 PM
True.

But if Robiskie had played his college ball in the spread, he'd probably be looked at as a possible 6th round pick as opposed to a 3rd or 4th rounder.



Really? You really think so? Wow, I wouldn't expect that at all. I would figure if he went to OK, FL and had stats that he would probably have in those offenses, that he would go higher.

milkman
02-11-2009, 11:24 AM
Really? You really think so? Wow, I wouldn't expect that at all. I would figure if he went to OK, FL and had stats that he would probably have in those offenses, that he would go higher.

Robiskie's strength is his discipline in running routes, which is not all that important in a spread offense.

DaKCMan AP
02-11-2009, 01:45 PM
Robiskie's strength is his discipline in running routes, which is not all that important in a spread offense.

True. His weakness, IMO, are average (at best) hands, which are important in any offense.

Fruit Ninja
02-11-2009, 02:05 PM
Spread = Fun to watch, death to QB's

lol, Funny thing is regular style offense got our QB's killed and the spread saved them! I rather run a pro style offense anyday, just saying though. lol

Direckshun
02-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Meh I still think Chase Daniels will go on the first day.

milkman
02-11-2009, 06:42 PM
Meh I still think Chase Daniels will go on the first day.

Even if the first day was still three rounds, you'd be wrong.

Frosty
02-11-2009, 06:51 PM
I'm embarrassed now for posting this article. Findthedr now tells me:

"Its ignorant to automatically downgrade players based on the system they played on. "


:)

Direckshun
02-11-2009, 06:53 PM
Even if the first day was still three rounds, you'd be wrong.

I'm pretty sure he'll be gone by our third pick. If not, we'd be getting the steal of the draft by picking him.

He's got all the tools.

OnTheWarpath58
02-11-2009, 06:55 PM
I'm embarrassed now for posting this article. Findthedr now tells me:

"Its ignorant to automatically downgrade players based on the system they played on. "


:)

Maybe he and chiefzilla can organize a march to New York to tell the league how to operate.

"Uh, Mr. Goodell? We came a long way to tell you that your GM's are retarded for using the draft chart, and for downgrading college kids who are going to have to learn an entirely new system when they get to the pros."

milkman
02-11-2009, 07:00 PM
I'm pretty sure he'll be gone by our third pick. If not, we'd be getting the steal of the draft by picking him.

He's got all the tools.

I really hope you are just joking.

Direckshun
02-11-2009, 08:07 PM
I really hope you are just joking.

Well I hope Pioli is as confident as you are that Daniels will be around by our 3rd. Because he's a surefire franchise QB that everybody is overlooking, we might be able to bank on getting him by the third. Which means we don't have to marry ourselves to the huge risk of a Top 3 QB, and can start thinking about how else to spend our first rounder. I'm thinking Michael Johnson.

Deberg_1990
02-11-2009, 08:09 PM
Well I hope Pioli is as confident as you are that Daniels will be around by our 3rd. Because he's a surefire franchise QB that everybody is overlooking, we might be able to bank on getting him by the third. Which means we don't have to marry ourselves to the huge risk of a Top 3 QB, and can start thinking about how else to spend our first rounder. I'm thinking Michael Johnson.

wow, just wow. Hate to break it to you but Daniels may not even get drafted.

Someone will pick him up as a FA after the draft though.

Brock
02-11-2009, 08:13 PM
Well I hope Pioli is as confident as you are that Daniels will be around by our 3rd. Because he's a surefire franchise QB that everybody is overlooking, we might be able to bank on getting him by the third. Which means we don't have to marry ourselves to the huge risk of a Top 3 QB, and can start thinking about how else to spend our first rounder. I'm thinking Michael Johnson.

How is Chase Daniel a "surefire franchise QB"?

Mecca
02-11-2009, 08:38 PM
I'm pretty sure he's joking..

ChiefsCountry
02-11-2009, 08:39 PM
Mr. Direction is joking.

Buehler445
02-11-2009, 10:32 PM
Well I hope Pioli is as confident as you are that Daniels will be around by our 3rd. Because he's a surefire franchise QB that everybody is overlooking, we might be able to bank on getting him by the third. Which means we don't have to marry ourselves to the huge risk of a Top 3 QB, and can start thinking about how else to spend our first rounder. I'm thinking Michael Johnson.

Someone hack your account?

The Buddha
02-11-2009, 10:58 PM
Chase Daniels = Kyle Orton And I say that as a Mizzou fan.

And I say Roethlisberger could play a spread.

RustShack
02-11-2009, 11:53 PM
I remember at the begining of the year 3/4th of the Planet bashed me because I said Daniel wouldn't make a good NFL QB or be drafted high.

Mecca
02-11-2009, 11:55 PM
I remember at the begining of the year 3/4th of the Planet bashed me because I said Daniel wouldn't make a good NFL QB or be drafted high.

LOL..yea because you know midgets who can't play from under center have great futures.

keg in kc
02-12-2009, 12:26 AM
Good lord, Brees makes Daniel look like a midget. He probably won't play at all in the NFL, much less be a franchise anything.

Frosty
02-12-2009, 07:10 AM
Does anyone know of a wide receiver that came from a spread system in college and made an impact in his first season or two? I know Davone Bess had a pretty good season for the Dolphins but I don't know if you would call him an impact player.

Frosty
02-12-2009, 07:14 AM
Maybe he and chiefzilla can organize a march to New York to tell the league how to operate.

"Uh, Mr. Goodell? We came a long way to tell you that your GM's are retarded for using the draft chart, and for downgrading college kids who are going to have to learn an entirely new system when they get to the pros."

Well, you know that some doofus at "Fantasy Football Toolbox" knows more about scouting receivers than Terry Robiskie does. :rolleyes:

OnTheWarpath58
02-12-2009, 07:19 AM
Well, you know that some doofus at "Fantasy Football Toolbox" knows more about scouting receivers than Terry Robiskie does. :rolleyes:

Keyword being "toolbox."

DaKCMan AP
02-12-2009, 07:35 AM
Does anyone know of a wide receiver that came from a spread system in college and made an impact in his first season or two? I know Davone Bess had a pretty good season for the Dolphins but I don't know if you would call him an impact player.

Donnie Avery.

Mecca
02-13-2009, 12:00 AM
Does anyone know of a wide receiver that came from a spread system in college and made an impact in his first season or two? I know Davone Bess had a pretty good season for the Dolphins but I don't know if you would call him an impact player.

I'd like to point out I really liked Davone Bess and wanted the Chiefs to pick him....

Direckshun
02-13-2009, 01:59 AM
wow, just wow. Hate to break it to you but Daniels may not even get drafted.

Someone will pick him up as a FA after the draft though.

Wow you must be a KU fan. Only a KU fan would wear such thick blinders they'd hate any MU player that much. Heck, your blinders are so thick I'm surprised if you can even see the field.

The important thing to remember is that Daniels is a winner and he is a leader and he has all the tools.

If I had my way we'd draft him with our third and put him behind Thiggy for a year. Let Thiggy show him the ways of expert quarterbacking.

Reerun_KC
02-13-2009, 08:37 AM
Wow you must be a KU fan. Only a KU fan would wear such thick blinders they'd hate any MU player that much. Heck, your blinders are so thick I'm surprised if you can even see the field.

The important thing to remember is that Daniels is a winner and he is a leader and he has all the tools.

If I had my way we'd draft him with our third and put him behind Thiggy for a year. Let Thiggy show him the ways of expert quarterbacking.


Your not serious are you? That is the funniest, yet saddest thing I have read on here in a long time...

Mizzou_8541
02-17-2009, 08:22 AM
Your not serious are you? That is the funniest, yet saddest thing I have read on here in a long time...

He's not serious.

Rigodan
02-17-2009, 02:10 PM
Wow you must be a KU fan. Only a KU fan would wear such thick blinders they'd hate any MU player that much. Heck, your blinders are so thick I'm surprised if you can even see the field.

The important thing to remember is that Daniels is a winner and he is a leader and he has all the tools.

If I had my way we'd draft him with our third and put him behind Thigpen for a year. Let Thigpen show him the ways of expert quarterbacking.

That line right there confirms he's joking.

Chief Faithful
02-17-2009, 02:39 PM
Spread = Fun to watch, death to QB's

True, but you can find QB's by the dozen that can run the spread.