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OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 01:08 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog.php


Posted Feb. 10, 2009

Reading KC's Cards at Three overall

Every year there is a pick that truly sets the tone for the rest of the NFL Draft. It's the pick up very high that is somewhat of a wild card. Last year, it was Atlanta. Jake Long was signed, Chris Long reportedly was going second, but some were still on the fence about the Falcons. We didn't know if they were taking the gunslinger from Boston College or the dominant sack artist from LSU.

NFL history has been forever changed since the Falcons took Matt Ryan No. 3 overall.

This year, the No. 3 pick will again cause a huge ripple effect on Draft Day.

Scott Pioli and Todd Haley are the new sheriffs in town.

There are no two consensus picks at three overall on the WalterFootball.com 2009 NFL Mock Database, but among the best mockers on the Internet, the Chiefs are going to be taking either USC quarterback Mark Sanchez or Wake Forest product Aaron Curry at this pick.

Let's rule out left tackle here. I do not see the Chiefs going tackle because they already have a solid player in Brandon Albert on the blind side. I do not think it makes your team nearly as good if you go left tackle at No. 3 as opposed to Sanchez or even Curry. You really address another need with a franchise quarterback or dominant linebacker, as opposed to kicking Albert inside at guard.

I also think we should rule out defensive end, such as a Brian Orakpo or Everette Brown. Yes, the Chiefs pass rush was terrible, but they can go defensive end in Rounds 2 or 3. I also do not believe Brown or Orakpo have enough value to command the third pick.

So it comes down to Sanchez and Curry. They are the two cowboys standing in the ghost town of the Wild West as tumbleweeds roll across the dirt road.

Who is it going to be?

I am going with Sanchez.

Why, you ask? Historically, new head coaches love to draft a quarterback if given the chance.

# Mike Smith - Matt Ryan
# John Harbaugh - Joe Flacco
# Lane Kiffin - JaMarcus Russell
# Cam Cameron - John Beck (passed on Brady Quinn)
# Dennis Green - Matt Leinart
# Eric Mangini - Kellen Clemens
# Brad Childress - Tarvaris Jackson
# Mike Nolan - Alex Smith
# Tom Coughlin - Eli Manning
# Mike Mularkey - J.P. Losman
# Marvis Lewis - Carson Palmer
# Jack Del Rio - Byron Leftwich



I think you get the point now. Some of the above quarterbacks were second-rounders, but the coach who drafted each of those guys LOVED them. They passed up on a first-round quarterback to get their guy in the second. I still consider the second-round picks very valuable, and when you spend one on a quarterback, he is looked at as the "future of the franchise."

The Chiefs could still go with Aaron Curry, I understand, but when push comes to shove, how do you pass up on a franchise quarterback? Sanchez is FAR more talented than Tyler Thigpen. Thigpen put up pretty average stats in a spread offense. He has an average arm, and is not very talented. He might be able to get the job done, but you can't pass up on Sanchez's talent at three overall.

Combine the "new head coaches love franchise QBs" theory with Walter's article on how rare it is linebackers go in the top three of the NFL Draft, and you have a recipe for a Mark Sanchez fiesta on April 25.

Dicky McElephant
02-10-2009, 01:27 PM
I can't wait for the "BUT THIGPEN IS GOOD.....OUR DEFENSE SUCKED!!!" argument.

Tell me you posted this at WPI.

RustShack
02-10-2009, 01:32 PM
We drafted defense top 5 last year and there isn't a defensive player worth a top 3 this year. Time for our franchise QB!

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 02:41 PM
I can't wait for the "BUT THIGPEN IS GOOD.....OUR DEFENSE SUCKED!!!" argument.

Tell me you posted this at WPI.

Nope. They'd just ignore it anyway.

Basileus777
02-10-2009, 02:45 PM
Nice read. I really don't see any logical reason to pass on a QB this year. Not only is a franchise quarter the most important position and we are in a position to take one, there really isn't a position with better value in this draft other than maybe LT. I don't understand why anyone would want us to pass on a QB to reach on a defensive player or draft a RT. Some people just have an irrational fear of drafting quarterbacks.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Nice read. I really don't see any logical reason to pass on a QB this year. Not only is a franchise quarter the most important position and we are in a position to take one, there really isn't a position with better value in this draft other than maybe LT. I don't understand why anyone would want us to pass on a QB to reach on a defensive player or draft a RT. Some people just have an irrational fear of drafting quarterbacks.

You know, when Mecca would talk about people being afraid to take a QB, I always kinda laughed it off.

But after reading the general consensus on other boards, particularly WPI, he's exactly right. I've never seen so many excuses and flat-out made-up bullshit to try to justify passing on a franchise QB.

Read these:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3916402

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3906434

RUSH
02-10-2009, 02:55 PM
That article sums it up perfectly. Sanchez at #3 and it's a no-brainer. Franchise QB>>>>Great LB. Most important position in football. I wonder what the Thigpen fanboys will think of this.

Basileus777
02-10-2009, 03:00 PM
You know, when Mecca would talk about people being afraid to take a QB, I always kinda laughed it off.

But after reading the general consensus on other boards, particularly WPI, he's exactly right. I've never seen so many excuses and flat-out made-up bullshit to try to justify passing on a franchise QB.

Read these:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3916402

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3906434

I don't get the Thigpen lovers either. Did people stop watching him midseason? He has no accuracy and is a spread quarterback. He could probably be a decent backup and maybe develop into a fringe starter, but why do dumbasses want to bank our franchise on him?

ChiefRon
02-10-2009, 03:16 PM
I don't get the Thigpen lovers either. Did people stop watching him midseason? He has no accuracy and is a spread quarterback. He could probably be a decent backup and maybe develop into a fringe starter, but why do dumbasses want to bank our franchise on him?

Good grief, did these people turn off the games @ halftime?

mylittlepony
02-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Good read, but looking at that list almost none of those headcoaches are still with their respective teams. In Marvin Lewis case he shouldnt be. Its not the greatest endorsement for drafting a QB. Also one important fact about mock drafts is that they are not draft boards. Just because a mock says Josh Freeman is #3 guy (to make an obserd statement) doesnt mean that Josh Freeman is the third best player. It just means people assume the chiefs are stupid enough to pick him.

DaneMcCloud
02-10-2009, 03:39 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3916402

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3906434

I read for about two seconds and decided that place needs to be fire-bombed.

What a bunch of fucking retarded idiots.

DaneMcCloud
02-10-2009, 03:40 PM
Good read, but looking at that list almost none of those headcoaches are still with that team or shouldnt be allowed to stay on that team(marvin lewis). Its not the greatest endorsement for drafting a QB. Also one important fact about mock drafts is they are not draft boards just because a mock says Josh Freeman is #3 guy (to make an obserd statement) doesnt mean that Josh Freeman is the third best player it just means people assume the chiefs are stupid enough to pick him.

Is English not your first language?

mylittlepony
02-10-2009, 03:42 PM
Is English not your first language?

No, but Im ushually alot better then that hold on and let me fix it.

DaneMcCloud
02-10-2009, 03:56 PM
No, but Im ushually alot better then that hold on and let me fix it.

So Swedish (or North Germanic) is your primary language? If so, I'd say you do quite well with English.

Dicky McElephant
02-10-2009, 04:03 PM
You know, when Mecca would talk about people being afraid to take a QB, I always kinda laughed it off.

But after reading the general consensus on other boards, particularly WPI, he's exactly right. I've never seen so many excuses and flat-out made-up bullshit to try to justify passing on a franchise QB.

Read these:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3916402

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3906434


Wow......it's officially gone super retard now.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3921581&sto=MS_49078324

They now would be happy with Sage Rosenfels as our QB in 2010.

mylittlepony
02-10-2009, 04:19 PM
So Swedish (or North Germanic) is your primary language? If so, I'd say you do quite well with English.

Thanks :)

Mecca
02-10-2009, 04:27 PM
I don't get the Thigpen lovers either. Did people stop watching him midseason? He has no accuracy and is a spread quarterback. He could probably be a decent backup and maybe develop into a fringe starter, but why do dumbasses want to bank our franchise on him?

It's Kansas City..I don't understand it but people here seem like they want "nice guys, who are blue collar and work hard" regardless of whether they lack talent or not.

It seems to me alot of fans in this market are way to caught up in wanting to have all these underdog guys who make it instead of having the best talent.

It's really quite stupid but it's the market...think of how many shitty never were players we saw get blown up in this market like they were big deals.

mylittlepony
02-10-2009, 04:28 PM
Wow......it's officially gone super retard now.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3921581&sto=MS_49078324

They now would be happy with Sage Rosenfels as our QB in 2010.

I like Sage. I think despite last season, he has been good for the texans. And its better to fill needs in FA and be able to draft without having to reach for key positions. But with the way the draft board looks right now; unless somebody pulls a Dion Sanders at the combine or one of the QBs pulls a Vince young at the aptitude test, or the Rams starts talking QB there should be a signal caller as the BPA or atleast close enough to warrent the #3 pick.

ChiefsCountry
02-10-2009, 05:08 PM
So Swedish (or North Germanic) is your primary language? If so, I'd say you do quite well with English.

I agree. I post on a Kings basketball forum and they have quite a few non-Americans and it gets really hard to read their posts.

milkman
02-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Wow......it's officially gone super retard now.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=3921581&sto=MS_49078324

They now would be happy with Sage Rosenfels as our QB in 2010.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Holy shit!

milkman
02-10-2009, 08:22 PM
It's good to see someone out there gets that we don't need a LT when we already have one.