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Coogs
02-17-2009, 09:33 AM
http://www.gbnreport.com/2009projection.html

Crabtree and Matthews for those of you who don't want to click on the link.

And here is their new top 140 from yesterday as well...

http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html

Fat Elvis
02-17-2009, 10:02 AM
Sounds good to me.

OnTheWarpath58
02-17-2009, 02:47 PM
That might be the worst mock I've seen.

Crabtree and Matthews?

How about Sanchez and Heyward-Bey?

Sanchez and Kruger?

Sanchez and Simtim?


Hell, Curry and HB would be better value than what they are suggesting.

Terrible.

Tribal Warfare
02-17-2009, 02:55 PM
They've gone full-retard. I also don't believe KC would pass up on Michael Johnson in the 2nd round.

DeezNutz
02-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Fuck. That.

chiefs1111
02-17-2009, 03:02 PM
they must be smoking something good

ChiefRon
02-17-2009, 03:50 PM
Aren't they the ones who had us picking Albert last year?

Er, with the 5th pick, I mean...

ChiefsCountry
02-17-2009, 04:56 PM
GBN always puts out dumb mocks. Nothing new.

Saccopoo
02-17-2009, 05:09 PM
That might be the worst mock I've seen.

Crabtree and Matthews?

How about Sanchez and Heyward-Bey?

Sanchez and Kruger?

Sanchez and Simtim?


Hell, Curry and HB would be better value than what they are suggesting.

Terrible.

What?! Crabtree would be a perfect fit for the new Haley regime. He and Bowe would create a new "Fitzgerald & Bouldin" only with more athletic ability and better hands. As of right now, a "Bowe & Crabtree" would be the best receiver duo in the NFL hands down.

And Matthews, while he might have been a walk-on at USC and only really began to get playing time his senior year, has, literally, generations of NFL genes in his system. His Dad and Uncle were studs, and there is no reason to believe that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in that family. And you don't play for USC if you suck. Dude has immeasurables that are literally off the chart.

That's a pretty solid first two picks if you ask me.























I kid. That's the worst mock I've ever seen anywhere. Hell, BF Skinner's chickens could peck out a better mock than that. Although, I would wet myself in joy and happiness for a Sanchez/Sintim or Sanchez/Kruger draft. Said it before, but I think Kruger is the best overall DE in the draft. Guy is an animal. Same with Sintim.

Mecca
02-17-2009, 05:42 PM
GBN is pretty shitty...

The question I ask is has Crabtree really separated himself from the pack, I don't feel that he has.

DaneMcCloud
02-17-2009, 11:33 PM
I knew it would suck after OTW58's comment but JFC.

Hamas needs to go over there and tell them to kill themselves.

Awful.

PhillyChiefFan
02-18-2009, 07:45 AM
Really? I mean...really?

Did someone get paid for this? God I hope not.

Crabtree?? Especially after I JUST read the tread about Crabtree not being a top 10 talent, this furthers my anger over him.

PhillyChiefFan
02-18-2009, 07:48 AM
Graham threw the ball 40 friggin times a game.

Of course Crabtress is going to have good numbers, by that logic then Graham should be a top 5 pick too...right??

Damn it all. I hate 'draft gurus'.

Mecca
02-18-2009, 08:04 AM
Graham threw the ball 40 friggin times a game.

Of course Crabtress is going to have good numbers, by that logic then Graham should be a top 5 pick too...right??

Damn it all. I hate 'draft gurus'.

You know I've honestly been trying to figure this out, searching for it if you will. What separates Michael Crabtree from the rest of the WR's, what makes him a top 5 pick the #1 WR and I've yet to find anything that separates him.

If anything I've found things that look like you could argue he shouldn't be the 1st WR taken.

rockymtnchief
02-18-2009, 10:29 AM
Personally, if taking a LB in the 2nd round, I like Clint Sintim better than Mathews.

DrRyan
02-18-2009, 10:44 AM
I agree with pretty much everything already said here. That mock is awful. IMO Crabtree is very much overrated for obvious(to me) reasons, i.e. not a good route runner, not good in press coverage, not great speed. When all is said and done I would not be surprised to see Maclin and possibly Heyward-Bey have better rookie years and possibly pro careers.

If Sintim is there in the second, I see no way that the Chiefs would go with Matthews of him. Just an awful mock draft.

Mr. Laz
02-18-2009, 11:07 AM
<center><big><big><big>2009 DRAFT PROJECTION</big></big></big><big><big><big></big></big></big>

February 17, 2009

<big><big></big></big> <big><big></big></big><small></small> <table style="width: 524px; height: 883px;" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">#
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Team
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>Player
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>POS
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small style="font-weight: bold;">School</small>
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>1</td> <td>Detroit
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Matthew Stafford
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">QB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Georgia
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>2</td> <td>St. Louis</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Eugene Monroe </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">OT </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Virginia </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>3
</td> <td>Kansas City</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Michael Crabtree </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Texas Tech </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>4
</dt> </td> <td> <dt>Seattle</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">B.J. Raji </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DT </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Boston College </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>5 </dt> </td> <td> <dt> Cleveland</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Aaron Curry </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Wake Forest </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>6
</td> <td>Cincinnati </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Jason Smith </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">OT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Baylor </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">7</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Oakland</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Andre Smith </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">OT </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Alabama </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td> <dt>8
</dt> </td> <td>Jacksonville</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Jeremy Maclin </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Missouri </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td>9
</td> <td>Green Bay </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Malcolm Jenkins </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Ohio State </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">10
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">San Francisco </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Michael Oher
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>OT</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Mississippi
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">11</td> <td> Buffalo</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Brian Orakpo </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Texas </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>12</td> <td>Denver </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Aaron Maybin </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Penn State </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>13</td> <td>Washington</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>Everete Brown</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Florida State
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>14</td> <td>New Orleans</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Vontae Davis
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Illinois
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left; font-weight: bold;">15
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Houston</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>D.J. Moore</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Vanderbilt
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">16
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">San Diego</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Rey Maualuga
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Southern California
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">17 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">New York Jets </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Tyson Jackson </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LSU
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>18</td> <td>Chicago</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Percy Harvin</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Florida</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">19
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Tampa Bay </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Mark Sanchez </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">QB </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Southern California </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">20 </td> <td>Detroit (from Dallas)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Brian Cushing </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Southern California </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">21
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Philadelphia </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Knowshon Moreno
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">RB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Georgia
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">22 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Minnesota</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Josh Freeman </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">QB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Kansas State </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">23
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">New England </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Chris Wells </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">RB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Ohio State </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">24
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Atlanta </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Brandon Pettigrew </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">TE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Oklahoma State </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>25</td> <td>Miami</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">James Laurinaitis </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Ohio State</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">26
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Baltimore </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Alphonso Smith
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Wake Forest</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">27
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Indianapolis
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Peria Jerry </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Mississippi </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">28
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Philadelphia (from Carolina)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Eben Britton </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">OT </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Arizona </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">29 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">New York Giants</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Hakeem Nicks </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">North Carolina </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">30
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Tennessee </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Alex Mack
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">C </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">California </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">31
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Arizona
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">LeSean McCoy
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">RB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Pittsburgh
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">32
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Pittsburgh
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>Max Unger </small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>C/G
</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>Oregon</small> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

</center>

Mr. Laz
02-18-2009, 11:07 AM
Second round
<table style="width: 524px; height: 883px;" border="0"> <tbody> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>33</td> <td>Detroit
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>Larry English</small>
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DE</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Northern Illinois</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>34</td> <td>Kansas City</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Clay Matthews</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Southern California</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>35
</td> <td>St. Louis </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Darrius Heyward-Bey
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Maryland
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>36
</dt> </td> <td> <dt>Cleveland</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Kenny Britt
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Rutgers
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td> <dt>37 </dt> </td> <td> <dt> Seattle</dt> </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">William Beatty</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">OT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">UConn
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>38
</td> <td>Cincinnati</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Paul Kruger
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Utah
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">39</td> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Jacksonville</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Phil Loadholt
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">OT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Oklahoma
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td> <dt>40 </dt> </td> <td>Oakland</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Sen'Derrick Marks
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">DT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Auburn
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <td>41 </td> <td> Green Bay</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Clint Sintim
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Virginia
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">42
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Buffalo</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Chase Coffman
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">TE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Missouri
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">43</td> <td> San Francisco</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Rashad Johnson</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">FS
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Alabama
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>44</td> <td>Miami (from Washington) </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Sean Smith
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Utah
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; text-align: left; font-weight: bold;">45
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">New York Giants (from New Orleans)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Ziggy Hood
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Missouri
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">46 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Houston </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Michael Johnson
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Georgia Tech
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>47</td> <td>New England (from San Diego)</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Darius Butler
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">UConn
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">48
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Denver </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Terrence Taylor
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">NT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Michigan
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">49</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Chicago </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Robert Ayers
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Tennessee
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">50</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Tampa Bay </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Tyrone McKenzie
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">South Florida
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">51
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Dallas </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Derrick Williams
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Penn State
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">52 </td> <td>New York Jets</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Macho Harris
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Virginia Tech
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">53 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Philadelphia</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Jared Cook
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">TE
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">South Carolina
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">54 </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Minnesota</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Jamon Meredith
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">OT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">South Carolina
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top;">55
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Atanta
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Patrick Chung
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">SS
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Oregon
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">56
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Miami </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Duke Robinson </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">OG
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Oklahoma </td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>57</td> <td>Baltimore</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Darry Beckwith
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LSU
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">58
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">New England </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Connor Barwin
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Cincinnati
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">59
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Carolina</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Fili Moala
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">DT
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Southern California
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>60</td> <td>New York Giants</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Marcus Freeman
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">LB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Ohio State
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">61
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Indianapolis
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Eric Wood
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">C
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Louisville
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td>62
</td> <td>Tennessee
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Brian Robiskie
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">WR
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Ohio State
</td> </tr> <tr style="font-weight: bold;"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">63
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"> Arizona </td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Bruce Johnson
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">CB
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top;">Miami
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">64
</td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;">Pittsburgh </td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>Jarron Gilbert</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top; font-weight: bold;"><small>DE</small></td> <td style="vertical-align: top;"><small>San Jose State</small></td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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PhillyChiefFan
02-18-2009, 12:14 PM
You know I've honestly been trying to figure this out, searching for it if you will. What separates Michael Crabtree from the rest of the WR's, what makes him a top 5 pick the #1 WR and I've yet to find anything that separates him.

If anything I've found things that look like you could argue he shouldn't be the 1st WR taken.

The kid might run ,what...a 4.45 at best, does not have the break away speed, nor the separation ability.

Why is he THAT much better than Maclin or Heyward-Bey? His numbers?!?! The kid was thrown to 10 times a game, of course he is going to have the numbers.

PhillyChiefFan
02-18-2009, 12:29 PM
The server would crash if we took Crabtree #3

Chiefnj2
02-18-2009, 12:32 PM
The kid might run ,what...a 4.45 at best, does not have the break away speed, nor the separation ability.

Why is he THAT much better than Maclin or Heyward-Bey? His numbers?!?! The kid was thrown to 10 times a game, of course he is going to have the numbers.

If he doesn't have breakaway speed how is able to do so much damage after the catch? Track speed v. football speed.

keg in kc
02-18-2009, 01:19 PM
The kid might run ,what...a 4.45 at best, does not have the break away speed, nor the separation ability.

Why is he THAT much better than Maclin or Heyward-Bey? His numbers?!?! The kid was thrown to 10 times a game, of course he is going to have the numbers.If he runs a 4.45 he's a lock for the top 5. People are suggesting that he's not running at the combine because he can't break 4.6.

Separation isn't something dictated by the 40, though. You'd need to see his 10 meter splits and his cone drills to get more of an idea about his acceleration. Strength and technique plays into it, too, beating the bump off the line.

Saccopoo
02-18-2009, 01:59 PM
Personally, if taking a LB in the 2nd round, I like Clint Sintim better than Mathews.

I will burn shit if we take Matthews over anybody, let alone Crabtree at #3. I like the guy, but not any better than a guy like Collie, who has the same speed, same hands, a good ability to separate, but is definitely not a first round option.

Actually, I would like to read Mecca's take on Matthews.

Chiefnj2
02-18-2009, 02:55 PM
You know I've honestly been trying to figure this out, searching for it if you will. What separates Michael Crabtree from the rest of the WR's, what makes him a top 5 pick the #1 WR and I've yet to find anything that separates him.

If anything I've found things that look like you could argue he shouldn't be the 1st WR taken.

7-28-08
"Personally if they do have the 1st pick it's Crabtree he's got everything you want."


Why did you change your mind?

Mecca
02-18-2009, 07:32 PM
7-28-08
"Personally if they do have the 1st pick it's Crabtree he's got everything you want."


Why did you change your mind?

When I sat down and really watched him outside of a highlight video...

Reerun_KC
02-18-2009, 07:42 PM
The server would crash if we took Crabtree #3

Not only that, but we would be another 2 years behind any rebuild for a championship run...