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doomy3
02-19-2009, 10:43 AM
With the Combine starting today, I thought it would be nice to have a thread with all updates from the Combine all in one place. Any player discussion from Indianapolis is welcome here.

doomy3
02-19-2009, 10:44 AM
I'm excited to see how the rush backers do, and if there will be a guy in the second that we will be as pumped about as we were about Flowers being there last year.

Chief Roundup
02-19-2009, 11:30 AM
The way I understand it nothing starts until Saturday

OnTheWarpath58
02-19-2009, 11:42 AM
Beat me to it.

I'll get this stickied for the weekend.

Should be fun.

kc rush
02-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Not having the NFL Network anymore sucks. I enjoyed watching the combine and getting the analysis that went along with the drills.

Sully
02-19-2009, 12:10 PM
This and a couple of games is about the entire reason I get the NFL Network.

unothadeal
02-19-2009, 01:34 PM
Do they show weigh ins or anything today?

kc rush
02-19-2009, 01:47 PM
This and a couple of games is about the entire reason I get the NFL Network.

I'm in a temporary apartment situation right now, so all I can get is time-warner. I wish I had an alternative.

Chiefnj2
02-19-2009, 02:49 PM
Thursday, Feb. 19

Offensive linemen, tight ends & kickers/punters: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Pre-physical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Friday

Offensive linemen & tight ends: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Kickers/punters: NFLPA meeting, workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump), interviews with NFL team personnel.

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Pre-physical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Saturday

Offensive linemen & tight ends: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Cornerbacks & safeties: Prephysical exams and X-rays, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Sunday

Quarterbacks, wide receivers & running backs: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Defensive linemen & linebackers: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Cornerbacks & safeties: Measurements (height, weight, arms, hands), physical exams, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Monday

Defensive linemen & linebackers: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

Cornerbacks & safeties: NFLPA meeting, Wonderlic Test, interviews with NFL team personnel.

Tuesday

Cornerbacks & safeties: Workouts (40, 3-cone drill, 20-yard and 60-yard shuttles, bench press, vertical jump, broad jump).

blueballs
02-19-2009, 07:49 PM
The Chiefs do have reps there

Oher says he talked with several teams at combine
Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:22:26 -0800

University of Mississippi OT Michael Oher said among the teams he as talked with at the NFL Scouting Combine are the Cincinnati Bengals, the Chicago Bears, the St. Louis Rams and the Kansas City Chiefs.

Mecca
02-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Michael Oher somehow only managed to check in at 6'4" and above 300 pounds. This is strange because he measured in at nearly 6'6" at the Senior Bowl. I know this sounds far fetched, but it's reported all over the internet.

Herman Johnson has lost nearly 20 pounds since the Senior Bowl, weighing in at like 364 pounds.

Eben Britton checked in very well at 6'6" 310 pounds

Eugene Monroe checked in at 6'5" and a shade under 310

Max Unger checked in at 6'5" and a shade under 310

Andre Smith did check in at the rumored height and weight at 6'4" 332

Jason Smith checked in at 6'6" 310 pounds as well

A lot of these lineman came to the combine very well prepared, but Michael Oher's situation is pretty awkward, but I'm sure it will be clarified soon enough, because nearly 2 inches is a drastic difference when it comes to this kind of deal.

Alex Boone: 6'8", 328

William Beatty gained 16 lbs since the Senior Bowl weighing in at 6'6" 307

keg in kc
02-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Michael Oher somehow only managed to check in at 6'4" and above 300 pounds. This is strange because he measured in at nearly 6'6" at the Senior Bowl. I know this sounds far fetched, but it's reported all over the internet.How is that even possible? Talk about shrinkage.

Mecca
02-19-2009, 08:18 PM
How is that even possible? Talk about shrinkage.

His entire body must be made of penis skin.

DaKCMan AP
02-20-2009, 06:18 AM
Andre Smith did check in at the rumored height and weight at 6'4" 332

Great size, he should be the first lineman taken.

kepp
02-20-2009, 06:41 AM
Chase Daniel should get measured today. What's everyone's guess? I'm going with 5'11 3/4"

DaKCMan AP
02-20-2009, 07:16 AM
Chase Daniel should get measured today. What's everyone's guess? I'm going with 5'11 3/4"

5'9 1/2"

unothadeal
02-20-2009, 08:55 AM
His entire body must be made of penis skin.

haha

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-20-2009, 09:16 AM
5'9 1/2"

ROFLROFLROFL....that might be generous.

Chiefnj2
02-20-2009, 03:11 PM
Sanchez and Stafford are just about the same size.

"The QBs were compared and Stafford 6.2 1/4" 225 and Sanchez 6.2 1/8" 227 were about the same size but it was noted how much smaller they looked compared to Josh Freeman 6.5 3/4" 248 who looked big and prototypical. "

bdeg
02-20-2009, 03:19 PM
5'9 1/2"

Ouch.

Those watching, feel free to update those of us without the network.

NickAthanFan
02-20-2009, 03:21 PM
Chase Daniel should get measured today. What's everyone's guess? I'm going with 5'11 3/4"
6'3" 230.

blueballs
02-20-2009, 03:53 PM
Macklin said Daniel
measured in at 6'
at the combine http://www.nfl.com/combine/players?filterType=positionGroup&filterCond=QB

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:24 PM
Look at that the people who questioned Sanchez size, he's bigger than Stafford is.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:27 PM
OK here are the bench results:

TE
Beckum 28
Casey 28
Gronkowski 26
Morrah 24
Richard Quinn 24
Jared Cook 23
E. Williams 23
Pett 22
M. Branson 22
A. Hill 21
Ingram 21
David Johnson 21
John Phillips 20
K Sperry 20
Nelson 19
D Drew 17

OL
L. Vasquez 39
T. Bright 34
Garcia 34
Felix 33
Boone 33
J. Smith 33
Shipley 33
J. Cooper 31
J. Meredith 31
R. Feinga 30
Fletcher 30
Burggeman 30
E. Wood 30
Urbik 29
Canfield 29
C Lewis 29
Fulton 27
Beatty 27
Joel Bell 27
Cadogan 26
Luigs 26
B Walker 26
Murtha 25
Helms 25
Isdaner 24
Britton 24
Tupou 24
Parker 24
Caldwell 23
Brewster 23
Kemp 23
Monroe 23
Olsen 23
Levitre 23
T Green 22
Unger 22
E. Williams 22
Gus Parrish 21
H. Johnson 21
Kropog 21
M Miller 21
Oher 21
CJ Davis 21
Foster 20
J Thomas 20
Reynolds 19
Link 19
G.ay 18
Watkins 18
Fanaika 15

The USC kicker Buehler repped it 25 times...so he did it more than several linemen.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:30 PM
Maclin was interview a little while ago, and he plans to participate in all the drills, including the 40-yard dash. His personal-best time is 4.31 seconds and he said his goal is to run 4.29. He does that here, and there will be conversations concerning him as a top 10 pick.

Maclin measured 6 feet, and he cited Santana Moss and Steve Smith as players that play the game the way he would like to. In 2007, Maclin scored on a run, a pass, a kick return and a punt return and was the only player in Division I-A to do that.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:32 PM
LeSean McCoy weighed in under 200 lbs at 197, he does have the flu but it may scare some teams off, and with Moreno at 217 he's got the ideal frame for someone who can step in with 20 carries a game.

Moreno is doing everything right leading up to the draft he is absolutely pushing Wells for the #1 RB taken title.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:36 PM
As Stafford was speaking, Sanchez ran in and appeared from nowhere, blurting out from among the mass of media: “What do you think about Sanchez, the other quarterback in the draft?”

A grinning Stafford then instructed Sanchez to, “Get out of here dude. I’m getting you back!”

A couple guys with a sense of humor.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:39 PM
Donald Brown 5'10 1/4 210
Chris Wells 6'1 235 exactly

from yesterday...

Phil Loadholt 6'7 3/4 332. Fairly light for Big Phil.
Herman Johnson 6'7 364, attempting to get down to 350-355.
Chase Coffman 6'6 245.
Ramon Foster 6'5 328
James Casey 6'3 246.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Michael Crabtree wasn't quite as tall as expected. He measured 6-1.25, 215 pounds. He doesn't plan on running at the combine, instead waiting until next month.

Crabtree is starting to remind me of Peter Warrick...

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey has reportedly been cracking the 4.2s during test runs at the Athletes' Performance Institute.
Heyward-Bey ran 4.23 as a freshman in college. He's bigger than he was then, but the high 4.2s should be about right. DHB will draw a lot of attention this week. It will also be interesting to see how tall he actually is Thursday.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:50 PM
First group of O-line bench numbers:

Player School Reps
LOUIS VASQUEZ TEXAS TECH 39
TRAVIS BRIGHT BRIGHAM YOUNG 34
JUAN GARCIA WASHINGTON 34
ALEX BOONE OHIO STATE 33
ROBBY FELIX UTEP 33
A.Q. SHIPLEY PENN STATE 33
JASON SMITH BAYLOR 33
JON COOPER OKLAHOMA 31
JAMON MEREDITH SOUTH CAROLINA 31
ROB BRUGGEMAN IOWA 30
RAY FEINGA BRIGHAM YOUNG 30
ALEX FLETCHER STANFORD 30
ERIC WOOD LOUISVILLE 30

None of these guys hurt themselves with their numbers.

Oher only had 21 reps of 225. To put it in perspective Jason Smith had 33 and Travis Beckum (yes, the flex tight end) had 28. That big of a differential can't be just because of slightly longer arms. Oher is on the brink of falling into the 20's. Senior bowl wasn't too kind to Oher. I looked and his arms are about average with other OTs, not too long. Disappointing # for Oher, 28-30+ would've been expected, 21 is really low for a lineman. I compared him to Beckum, but 28 reps for Beckum is really really good.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:53 PM
Arm lengths..

Phil Loadholt - 36 1/2"
Andre Smith - 35 3/8"
William Beatty - 34 3/4"
Jamon Meredith - 34 1/2"
Jason Watkins - 34 3/8"
Eugene Monroe - 33 7/8"
Michael Oher - 33 1/2"
Eben Britton - 32 3/4"

Andre Smith pretty impressive for his height. Beatty helped his case too. Britton's is pretty disappointing for being 6'6.

Also, Monroe came in with the biggest hands at 11 1/8". Tupou had the lowest with his Alex Smith-esque 8 3/4".

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:56 PM
Herman Johnson did 21.
Gus Parrish did 19.
Jason Watkins did 18.

How does a guy as big as Johnson only rep it 21 times?

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:57 PM
Britton did 24 reps.
Monroe did 23.
Caldwell did 24.
Levitre 23
Green 22
Unger 22
Kropog 21
Reynolds 19

Some of these are disappointing.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 08:58 PM
Kenny Britt is only 6'2 despite being listed at 6'4.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 09:00 PM
Going through combine numbers no one helped themselves more than Travis Beckum, he was always thought of as a small H/Back receiving TE type that couldn't block like a WR/TE hybrid..

He came in 15 lbs heavier and did more reps than alot of the offensive linemen.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 09:01 PM
Hakeem Nicks came in at just over 6' so he's a bit taller than Maclin and not even an inch shorter than Crabtree.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 09:02 PM
Percy Harvin came in at 5'11..

Nate Davis came in at 6-1 3/4, 226 pounds

Pat White is up to 197 he must be eating alot of cake.

Frosty
02-20-2009, 09:08 PM
Nate Davis came in at 6-1 3/4, 226 pounds


That's bigger than I expected.

Buehler445
02-20-2009, 10:14 PM
Thanks guys. Good info here. There are lots of guys blowing ass at bench...

ArrowheadMagic
02-20-2009, 10:52 PM
Arm lengths..

Phil Loadholt - 36 1/2"
Andre Smith - 35 3/8"
William Beatty - 34 3/4"
Jamon Meredith - 34 1/2"
Jason Watkins - 34 3/8"
Eugene Monroe - 33 7/8"
Michael Oher - 33 1/2"
Eben Britton - 32 3/4"

Andre Smith pretty impressive for his height. Beatty helped his case too. Britton's is pretty disappointing for being 6'6.

Also, Monroe came in with the biggest hands at 11 1/8". Tupou had the lowest with his Alex Smith-esque 8 3/4".

Not to be an ass, but this reads like post # 58 on the this link:
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30291&page=3

at least you could do is post the link that you getting the information.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 10:56 PM
I was copying the info parts....

It's not like combine stuff is just posted everywhere. People want that info so i went somewhere that it would be posted.

ArrowheadMagic
02-20-2009, 11:07 PM
I was copying the info parts....

It's not like combine stuff is just posted everywhere. People want that info so i went somewhere that it would be posted.

that's understandable, just put up the link where it came from. Its a top draft site. Give Scott his due by pimping his site. It comes off as if its your post when its not.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 11:10 PM
I pimp that damn site all the time, so much so the last time I posted a link I got a response like "what do those fucks know"

bdeg
02-20-2009, 11:11 PM
LeSean McCoy weighed in under 200 lbs at 197, he does have the flu but it may scare some teams off, and with Moreno at 217 he's got the ideal frame for someone who can step in with 20 carries a game.

Moreno is doing everything right leading up to the draft he is absolutely pushing Wells for the #1 RB taken title.

Moreno's only chance to push Wells is if he beats him significantly in the 40. I don't see it happening.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-20-2009, 11:11 PM
Oher, Herman Johnson, Max Unger, Britton, and Tupou really hurt themselves on the bench.

I'd be most concerned about Unger, Johnson and Tupou's terrible numbers. They aren't playing positions where technique is always paramount. You can't really look at Unger as a RT with that kind of bench. Really, You might have to just consider him a center.

Kropog has good enough feet that I wouldn't be too worried about his bench.

I think it's pretty clear that Jason Smith and Monroe are the cream of the tackle crop, and Smith is starting to look like a fucking monster. Strong as hell, and big. I'll be interested to see how he runs in the first ten yards and his shuttle/cone splits.

Mecca
02-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Jason Smith will be athletic he played his freshman year as a TE..

Problem is he has very little to no experience lining up with his hand on the ground he was always in the 2 point stance and rarely run blocked.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Jason Smith will be athletic he played his freshman year as a TE..

Problem is he has very little to no experience lining up with his hand on the ground he was always in the 2 point stance and rarely run blocked.

This is true. With that being said, run blocking technique isn't as tough to teach as proper pass blocking.

It's becoming clear that he might have more upside than any tackle in this draft, while Monroe is clearly the most pro ready.

ArrowheadMagic
02-20-2009, 11:18 PM
I pimp that damn site all the time, so much so the last time I posted a link I got a response like "what do those ****s know"

heh, as good as Scott is, he is wrong sometimes also.... shit happens. It's what happens when you try to predict something unpredictable.

ArrowheadMagic
02-20-2009, 11:22 PM
This is true. With that being said, run blocking technique isn't as tough to teach as proper pass blocking.

It's becoming clear that he might have more upside than any tackle in this draft, while Monroe is clearly the most pro ready.

Its the one thing running a spread offense can be good at, developing tackles. IMO, Monroe is and will stay the top tackle, ASmith everyday appears to more like Gallery, not to say he wont be productive, but clearly RT might be his final resting place in order to prolong his career. Oher is the one that you cant figure out, game film he excels, measurables, not so much. A case of functional strength being a more tangible attribute.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Its the one thing running a spread offense can be good at, developing tackles. IMO, Monroe is and will stay the top tackle, ASmith everyday appears to more like Gallery, not to say he wont be productive, but clearly RT might be his final resting place in order to prolong his career. Oher is the one that you cant figure out, game film he excels, measurables, not so much. A case of functional strength being a more tangible attribute.

When you are on an island every play, you definitely learn how to operate in space. What it doesn't help out with is inline blocking from interior linemen, especially if they take wide splits ala Mizzou.

bdeg
02-20-2009, 11:32 PM
Jason Smith will be athletic he played his freshman year as a TE..

Problem is he has very little to no experience lining up with his hand on the ground he was always in the 2 point stance and rarely run blocked.

He specializes in run blocking and considers himself a mauler.

ArrowheadMagic
02-20-2009, 11:36 PM
When you are on an island every play, you definitely learn how to operate in space. What it doesn't help out with is inline blocking from interior linemen, especially if they take wide splits ala Mizzou.

While it isnt ideal, it leads more to poor fundamentals for the interior guys. Being an OU fan, its the one knock Duke gets, he has poor footwork, while correctable, just makes a guy get drafted earlier than he really should. Puts an emphasis on coaching in the NFL, that 20 yrs ago wasnt an issue. Which is good. NFL has gotten out of the business of coaching guys. Well, the teams that are less successful have.

Mecca
02-21-2009, 12:35 AM
He specializes in run blocking and considers himself a mauler.

Uh that's Andre Smith, you're confusing them.

bdeg
02-21-2009, 12:43 AM
Uh that's Andre Smith, you're confusing them.

Nope

I'm told that Baylor's Smith is an absolute monster when it comes to power blocking, and the converted tight end loves the part of his job that allows him to manhandle his opponents. He didn't waste much time speaking to that reputation at the combine.

"When I'm on the field, I take a lot of pride in physically assaulting somebody,'' Smith said. "As far as finishing them off, that's just a part of the block. So you don't really think too much of it, because that's what you go on the field to do. It's something I practice real hard at, and I practice real hard at practicing. And when it's game time, it just happens.''

Mecca
02-21-2009, 12:44 AM
Whoever wrote that is completely wrong...

Jason Smith doesn't even play with his hand on the ground.

ArrowheadMagic
02-21-2009, 12:52 AM
JSmith is this years Clady. Monroe is the best T ... and Smith is next. Just because he hasnt played with his hand down, doesnt mean he cant. One of the guys people need to watch tomorrow in the drills.

Mecca
02-21-2009, 12:55 AM
I'm not saying he can't do it but he's far from a physical mauling player that has major experience run blocking.

bdeg
02-21-2009, 01:50 AM
Don Banks. Maybe the scheme limited what he could show on the field.

bdeg
02-21-2009, 01:56 AM
Mecca I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about, but Baylor rushed the ball 481 times last season as opposed to 290 passing attempts. Don't tell me he doesn't have major experience. Maybe the technique is different coming out of a pass-blocking stance if thats really what they did all the time, but that's still plenty of run-blocking experience to learn everything he needs to.

edit: ok, so 173 of those "run plays" were qb runs. I don't know how many draws there were, but I imagine it was mostly scrambling. So that'd be 463 passing to 308 running. Still a lot of snaps both ways.

ArrowheadMagic
02-21-2009, 02:03 AM
Don Banks. Maybe the scheme limited what he could show on the field.

Did he do what was asked of him? Curry wasnt asked to rush the passer, but had over 50 TFL and 9 sacks in his career. If you cant use stats to explain why Crabtree is a top 10 guy, you cant use stats to discredit what Curry is. Draft is a crap shoot, in the end, you have to put them in the best posibble situation to succeed. The NFL, IMO, has forgotten how to coach.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Mecca I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about, but Baylor rushed the ball 481 times last season as opposed to 290 passing attempts. Don't tell me he doesn't have major experience. Maybe the technique is different coming out of a pass-blocking stance if thats really what they did all the time, but that's still plenty of run-blocking experience to learn everything he needs to.

edit: ok, so 173 of those "run plays" were qb runs. I don't know how many draws there were, but I imagine it was mostly scrambling. So that'd be 463 passing to 308 running. Still a lot of snaps both ways.

They ran a spread option. Almost all of those runs were zone read plays. He's not engaging an end head on and drive blocking someone's bitch ass, he's moving laterally and trapping and pulling.

bdeg
02-21-2009, 11:44 AM
They ran a spread option. Almost all of those runs were zone read plays. He's not engaging an end head on and drive blocking someone's bitch ass, he's moving laterally and trapping and pulling.

Thanks, obviously I haven't watched Baylor play. I wonder where he gets the reputation then, I tried to find a highlight vid but no dice.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 11:46 AM
Jesus Pettigrew just ran a 4.85

LMAO

milkman
02-21-2009, 11:53 AM
After watching the O-Linemen working out this morning, I still like Urbik and Topou, who I've liked all season.

I also liked what I saw from AQ Shiply and Eric Wood.

bdeg
02-21-2009, 11:53 AM
Jesus Pettigrew just ran a 4.85

LMAO

Haha, some had him as a 1st rounder too. Blocking TEs don't usually go before the 3rd.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 11:55 AM
After watching the O-Linemen working out this morning, I still like Urbik and Topou, who I've liked all season.

I also liked what I saw from AQ Shiply and Eric Wood.

I was not impressed by Topou.

I was very impressed by Jamon Meredith.

unothadeal
02-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Are any of the elite O-lineman working out today?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 12:01 PM
4.97 second time for Jesus Pettigrew. Mayock still jerking him off.

And yes, all elite O-linemen have already worked out today.

MIAdragon
02-21-2009, 12:02 PM
Jesus Pettigrew just ran a 4.85

LMAO

then a 4.97

milkman
02-21-2009, 12:09 PM
I was not impressed by Topou.

I was very impressed by Jamon Meredith.

Meredeth was another that impressed.

As for Tupou, there were a couple of things he didn't do well, but his feet are really fluid.

To me, the most important attributes for O-Linemen are intelligence and graceful feet.

Everything else is coachable.

Kyle DeLexus
02-21-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm hating these guys talking over the drills

melbar
02-21-2009, 12:21 PM
Has anyone found Andre Smith yet? How do you not show up? Looks like he and Crabtree are the potential fallers so far.

melbar
02-21-2009, 12:24 PM
After watching the O-Linemen working out this morning, I still like Urbik and Topou, who I've liked all season.

I also liked what I saw from AQ Shiply and Eric Wood.

Me too. Love those guys with a little attitude and work ethic. Urbic was nice too.

milkman
02-21-2009, 12:28 PM
I'm hating these guys talking over the drills

Yeah, I would like to see them spend time actually talking about the drills we are seeing.

OnTheWarpath58
02-21-2009, 12:50 PM
Holy Jesus...

Even the kickers at USC are gifted.

David Buehler:

Bench press: 25 reps. (more reps than 27 offensive linemen were able to post)

40 time: 4.6

milkman
02-21-2009, 01:00 PM
Holy Jesus...

Even the kickers at USC are gifted.

David Buehler:

Bench press: 25 reps. (more reps than 27 offensive linemen were able to post)

40 time: 4.6

I think that makes him a #3 overall pick/true fan

MIAdragon
02-21-2009, 01:09 PM
I think that makes him a #3 overall pick/true fan

Well shit he IS from SC.

unothadeal
02-21-2009, 01:30 PM
Orakpo's a Raider. Guaranteed.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Orakpo's a Raider. Guaranteed.

He is one big motherfucker.

unothadeal
02-21-2009, 01:32 PM
He is one big mother****er.

He just sounds like a Raider, too.

melbar
02-21-2009, 01:42 PM
I think that makes him a #3 overall pick/true fan

Because if both QB's are gone Kicker is barely a step up from the completely useless Linebacker position...:rolleyes:

milkman
02-21-2009, 01:46 PM
Because if both QB's are gone Kicker is barely a step up from the completely useless Linebacker position...:rolleyes:

Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

That one is clearly just a joke.

Chiefnj2
02-21-2009, 01:54 PM
Casserly ranked the OT workouts as Monroe #1, J Smith #2 and Oher #3.

melbar
02-21-2009, 01:58 PM
Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

That one is clearly just a joke.

I know, but jimminy christmas...:D

Mecca
02-21-2009, 02:59 PM
4.97 second time for Jesus Pettigrew. Mayock still jerking him off.

And yes, all elite O-linemen have already worked out today.

Mayock hates receiving TE's...he literally when praising Pettigrew bashed receiving TEs saying blocking is more important.

Personally I think Jared Cook and Travis Beckum would be the 2 guys I'd target if I was looking for a TE.

And David Buehler was actually recruited as a DB/Athlete so he's very athletic despite being a kicker.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 03:00 PM
Mayock hates receiving TE's...he literally when praising Pettigrew bashed receiving TEs saying blocking is more important.

Personally I think Jared Cook and Travis Beckum would be the 2 guys I'd target if I was looking for a TE.

And David Buehler was actually recruited as a DB/Athlete so he's very athletic despite being a kicker.

My God. How many times are you going to post the exact same thing in different threads?

Mecca
02-21-2009, 03:01 PM
My God. How many times are you going to post the exact same thing in different threads?

It's just an example of how Mayock is so completely over the top about some things...receiving TE's are more important than blocking TE's and he refuses to acknowledge that, just like his circle jerk of Aaron Curry is absurd.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 05:31 PM
Meredeth was another that impressed.

As for Tupou, there were a couple of things he didn't do well, but his feet are really fluid.

To me, the most important attributes for O-Linemen are intelligence and graceful feet.

Everything else is coachable.

Oher really made an ass of himself in drills, didn't he?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 05:41 PM
How much of a dumbass is Andre Smith?

He goes totally AWOL today because he assumed that he fulfilled his combine requirement by showing up for height and weight.

I'd totally take this fuck off my board.

Tribal Warfare
02-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Herman Johnson looks like a fuckin grizzly bear out there

bdeg
02-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Oher really made an ass of himself in drills, didn't he?
What happened?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 06:19 PM
What happened?

In the pull/trap drill he leaned too far forward when he went to hit the pad and almost fell on his face.

In the backpedal drill, he was the only guy who turned the wrong way when the coach pointed the football to a given side.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 06:21 PM
In the pull/trap drill he leaned too far forward when he went to hit the pad and almost fell on his face.

In the backpedal drill, he was the only guy who turned the wrong way when the coach pointed the football to a given side.

Hopefully he'll fall to our second round pick

ChiefsCountry
02-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Hopefully he'll fall to our second round pick

He isnt a right tackle type, so it wouldnt be good for us.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 06:26 PM
He isnt a right tackle type, so it wouldnt be good for us.

He would most likely be BPA, and IMO worth that pick for sure. He would give our line a lot more options and would really help solidify it.

milkman
02-21-2009, 06:27 PM
Oher really made an ass of himself in drills, didn't he?

Yeah.

He looked totally unprepared.

I didn't like Jake Long last year, and while he did nothing in the combines to change my opinion of his athletic ability, the way that he showed that he worked hard to nail these drills before he went to the combines impressed me.

The difference between Long last year and Oher this year really speaks to their work ethic.

Oher has more natural talent, but his work ethic, or lack thereof, scares me.

ChiefsCountry
02-21-2009, 06:28 PM
He would most likely be BPA, and IMO worth that pick for sure. He would give our line a lot more options and would really help solidify it.

He cant play guard and he isnt a right tackle, so how would that make our line better other than depth behind Albert?

doomy3
02-21-2009, 06:30 PM
He cant play guard and he isnt a right tackle, so how would that make our line better other than depth behind Albert?

Well, Albert could easily move to one of those other positions. And yes, I know about the value of drafting him in the first round, etc, but if it makes the team better, sometimes you do unconventional things.

Coach
02-21-2009, 07:25 PM
Well, Albert could easily move to one of those other positions. And yes, I know about the value of drafting him in the first round, etc, but if it makes the team better, sometimes you do unconventional things.

Although, it should not be considered an option, because Albert have done a damned good job as a LT, despite missing out the whole training camp.

He will get better eventually. The Chiefs already have the 2nd most important position filled (LT) and it should be left alone at all costs. The Chiefs now need to get the most important position filled, and that's the QB.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 07:27 PM
Although, it should not be considered an option, because Albert have done a damned good job as a LT, despite missing out the whole training camp.

He will get better eventually. The Chiefs already have the 2nd most important position filled (LT) and it should be left alone at all costs. The Chiefs now need to get the most important position filled, and that's the QB.

You might have missed that we were talking about the SECOND round. I am assuming if we are taking a QB, we are taking him at number 3.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 08:47 PM
Yeah.

He looked totally unprepared.

I didn't like Jake Long last year, and while he did nothing in the combines to change my opinion of his athletic ability, the way that he showed that he worked hard to nail these drills before he went to the combines impressed me.

The difference between Long last year and Oher this year really speaks to their work ethic.

Oher has more natural talent, but his work ethic, or lack thereof, scares me.

Yeah.

It was crazy to watch how quickly he could flip his hips to change direction on the down-the-line drill. He looked like a damned slot receiver doing it.

I just don't know if he's got it upstairs. I don't know if it's focus, dumbassery, a combination, or just general laziness, but he really scares me as a prospect.

With that being said, I don't think there's any way he'd drop past 25.

Mecca
02-21-2009, 08:56 PM
I fully believe the Chargers will look at an OT,RB or a guy like Mauluga with their first pick so even if Smith and Oher are looking like complete dumbasses there's a chance that's their landing spot.

Coach
02-22-2009, 12:00 AM
You might have missed that we were talking about the SECOND round. I am assuming if we are taking a QB, we are taking him at number 3.

Ah, I did miss that. I thought you were referring to the 1st pick.

Still, the 2nd round picks is very much important as a first round pick.

Coach
02-22-2009, 12:01 AM
I fully believe the Chargers will look at an OT,RB or a guy like Mauluga with their first pick so even if Smith and Oher are looking like complete dumbasses there's a chance that's their landing spot.

Hypothetical question. Let's assume that Stafford and Sanchez are off the board, what is the probability that the Chiefs may get B.J. Raji, if he's projected as a top 5 pick?

Coach
02-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Mayock hates receiving TE's...he literally when praising Pettigrew bashed receiving TEs saying blocking is more important.

Personally I think Jared Cook and Travis Beckum would be the 2 guys I'd target if I was looking for a TE.

And David Buehler was actually recruited as a DB/Athlete so he's very athletic despite being a kicker.

What you think of Pettigrew going to Atlanta? That would probably help out Matt Ryan tremendously....

Mecca
02-22-2009, 01:18 AM
What you think of Pettigrew going to Atlanta? That would probably help out Matt Ryan tremendously....

He'd help Turner more than Ryan, at the next level Pettigrew is Jason Dunn.

milkman
02-22-2009, 02:18 AM
Hypothetical question. Let's assume that Stafford and Sanchez are off the board, what is the probability that the Chiefs may get B.J. Raji, if he's projected as a top 5 pick?

Frankly, if both QBs are off the board then there really isn't a player whose value will match the pick for the Chiefs.

I am not sold on a guy like Malcolm Jenkins there, though, and if we are transitioning to a 34 we will already undercutting Dorsey's value, so I could live with Raji at three.

Chiefs=Good
02-22-2009, 05:45 AM
Ok so wow if true....


Maybin at 250

INDIANAPOLIS - Penn State defensive end Aaron Maybin just checked in at the NFL Scouting Combine media center. He has his weight up to 250 pounds. He's 6-foot-3 1/2. That's probably good news for teams that may want him to be a 4-3 defensive end. Now we'll see if he runs a fast time.

---Mark Gaughan

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/billboa...in-at-250.html

Chiefs=Good
02-22-2009, 05:46 AM
First link not working...


Penn St. DE/OLB Aaron Maybin apparently heard the critics that said he was too light to be a DE in the NFL. Admitting that he finished his final college season at 230 pounds.

“They wanted to see me put on some weight,” said Maybin. “So I went to work and put on 20 pounds. I feel real good right now.”

Maybin is now at 250 and said he feels good and more explosive than when he was 230. He’s been doing a lot of explosion, power lifting type training. We’ll see if it pays off, but many expect him to have a monster workout, which will only send him further up the first round board.

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/0...dds-20-pounds/

the Talking Can
02-22-2009, 05:52 AM
First link not working...


Penn St. DE/OLB Aaron Maybin apparently heard the critics that said he was too light to be a DE in the NFL. Admitting that he finished his final college season at 230 pounds.

“They wanted to see me put on some weight,” said Maybin. “So I went to work and put on 20 pounds. I feel real good right now.”

Maybin is now at 250 and said he feels good and more explosive than when he was 230. He’s been doing a lot of explosion, power lifting type training. We’ll see if it pays off, but many expect him to have a monster workout, which will only send him further up the first round board.

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/0...dds-20-pounds/

man, how do you add 20 lbs of what i presume is mostly muscle, in a few months?....legally, i mean....

Mecca
02-22-2009, 05:54 AM
man, how do you add 20 lbs of what i presume is mostly muscle, in a few months?....legally, i mean....

I posted a picture of him in this forum...I still have a hard time believing he's 250 but that doesn't change the fact that he is by far the rawest of the raw when it comes to playing.

Chiefs=Good
02-22-2009, 05:55 AM
man, how do you add 20 lbs of what i presume is mostly muscle, in a few months?....legally, i mean....

Indeed.. It does seem a little strange.. Apparently he has a very high metabolism which made it very hard for him to put on weight.. he must be eating 30 steaks a day...

Mecca
02-22-2009, 05:57 AM
http://www.allfootball247.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/aaron-maybin.jpg

That still doesn't look 250 to me...he's cut but there's no bulk, unless he's the guy in the green shirt.

Chiefs=Good
02-22-2009, 06:05 AM
lol ok dont know how to post pics.. but i got that info from draftcountdown and they had an interesting pic of Maybin before and after...

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30372

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 06:09 AM
I posted a picture of him in this forum...I still have a hard time believing he's 250 but that doesn't change the fact that he is by far the rawest of the raw when it comes to playing.

There is absolutely no way he's 250 in that picture unless he has 10lb weights attached to each ankle.

Short Leash Hootie
02-22-2009, 06:11 AM
Holy Jesus...

Even the kickers at USC are gifted.

David Buehler:

Bench press: 25 reps. (more reps than 27 offensive linemen were able to post)

40 time: 4.6

and that guy is a kicker?! Holy hell! That's some serious athleticism!

Mecca
02-22-2009, 06:33 AM
Maybin must have not pissed for 3 days before his weigh in...I'm sure guys do that, drink a ton of water and try to keep it in to weigh more just like guys who are considered overweight try to dehydrate themselves to suck out the lbs of water weight.

kstater
02-22-2009, 07:17 AM
man, how do you add 20 lbs of what i presume is mostly muscle, in a few months?....legally, i mean....

Looking at Mecca's picture, it doesn't look like it's been done without the aid of "supplements". Question, are the players subjected to blood tests in the combine, or once they are under contract. If it's not until under contract, would that be sufficient time for "supplements" to be released and out of the system?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 07:28 AM
Looking at Mecca's picture, it doesn't look like it's been done without the aid of "supplements". Question, are the players subjected to blood tests in the combine, or once they are under contract. If it's not until under contract, would that be sufficient time for "supplements" to be released and out of the system?

They don't blood test for HGH.

To me, he looks exactly like someone who is on HGH.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/defamer/2009/01/stallone_hgh.jpg

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/61fps/2008/10/23-End/jake-gyllenhaal-shirtless-prince-of-persia.jpg

the Talking Can
02-22-2009, 08:12 AM
look at the difference in his delts....

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh211/mandelgeorge/n9379806_54973222_6909.jpg

allen_kcCard
02-22-2009, 08:18 AM
Looks like he went all Micheal Jackson on us as well.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 09:13 AM
Maclin ran a 4.4
DHB ran 4.32
Deon Butler ran 4.26
Johnny Knox ran 4.25
Kenny Britt: 4.48
Quan Cosby ran 4.44
Harvin ran 4.37
Iglesias ran 4.51


Disappointing time for Maclin. He looked a little stiff when he ran. I'll be interested to see what he posts at his pro day.

bdeg
02-22-2009, 09:16 AM
Anyone know of a stream for the combine? Searched justintv, no luck there.

I am gonna be stuck at work alll day, with maybe 40 customers lol.

*got link in the other thread, thanks DaKCMan AP
http://www.justin.tv/stickinittotheman

eazyb81
02-22-2009, 09:31 AM
Maclin just followed it up with a 4.37.

eazyb81
02-22-2009, 09:33 AM
I posted a picture of him in this forum...I still have a hard time believing he's 250 but that doesn't change the fact that he is by far the rawest of the raw when it comes to playing.

Sure he's raw, but teams want to see athleticism and explosion when looking for elite rush backers for the 3-4, and that's what Maybin will be.

It will be interesting to see who gets drafted first between him and Everette Brown.

melbar
02-22-2009, 09:48 AM
Mayock just said Stafford "blew coaches away with his board work and comprehension".

kstater
02-22-2009, 09:55 AM
It's fuzzy on Justin.tv, did Pat White run a 4.50?

allen_kcCard
02-22-2009, 10:23 AM
It's fuzzy on Justin.tv, did Pat White run a 4.50?

Thats what I saw earlier on nfl.com/live, and I think I saw it posted above.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Sanchez getting ready to throw...

bdeg
02-22-2009, 11:33 AM
Sure he's raw, but teams want to see athleticism and explosion when looking for elite rush backers for the 3-4, and that's what Maybin will be.

It will be interesting to see who gets drafted first between him and Everette Brown.

Brown has the same athleticism with polished pass-rush moves. No question. Maybin is a 15-20 guy if you ask me.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:46 AM
Well, Sanchez has definitely been underwhelming on his throws so far...

eazyb81
02-22-2009, 11:51 AM
Brown has the same athleticism with polished pass-rush moves. No question. Maybin is a 15-20 guy if you ask me.

So where do you see Brown? Top 10?

I think they're both 15-20 guys - neither looks like top 10 picks at this point.

Tiger's Fan
02-22-2009, 01:43 PM
Well, Sanchez has definitely been underwhelming on his throws so far...

This quieted the fanboys down quite a bit.

DCS should be suicidal at this point. (hoping)

doomy3
02-22-2009, 01:46 PM
This quieted the fanboys down quite a bit.

DCS should be suicidal at this point. (hoping)

No, it really didn't quiet any of them down. Now, the combine doesn't matter for QBs other than interviews. You can read all about it in the thread in the main forum about the combine.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 01:48 PM
BJ Raji looking like an idiot in an interview with the crew on NFLN

DrRyan
02-22-2009, 01:49 PM
Sanchez has not looked impressive today. I can't put make or break stock in a combine performance throwing to a different WR every single time you throw. What was unimpressive though was him throwing at least two balls several yards out of bounds on deep throws. I would put a little more stock in what he does in his Pro day and team workouts.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 01:53 PM
BJ Raji looking like an idiot in an interview with the crew on NFLN

Came around a little bit. Didn't seem that comfortable though

melbar
02-22-2009, 02:04 PM
The biggest plus to me is that he did everything. Even if he stunk up the room I give him many props for not being afraid to get out there and compete. I'm so tired of guys being afraid to compete cause they're afraid to hurt their payday. I understand, but I respect the guys puttin it out there so much more.

bdeg
02-22-2009, 02:39 PM
So where do you see Brown? Top 10?

I think they're both 15-20 guys - neither looks like top 10 picks at this point.
Yes, I think Brown goes top 10. Although I'm not sure how his combine check-in affects that(think he was 3" shorter than listed). No doubt in my mind he's the top pass rusher, I wonder when the last time no pass rusher was taken top 10.

Slight revision: I definitely think brown goes in the 8-12 range, Maybin I would put between 15 and 30.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 02:44 PM
BJ Raji looking like an idiot in an interview with the crew on NFLN

That's because he is an idiot.

philfree
02-22-2009, 03:14 PM
BJ Raji looking like an idiot in an interview with the crew on NFLN

I didn't think he came off like an idiot at all. Came off like an aggressive DT getting some camera time.


PhilFree:arrow:

bowener
02-22-2009, 05:15 PM
I see that Raji put up 33 bench reps. Thats not bad, only 4 off from the leader.

Orakpo did 31, and interesting enough, Cushing put up 30 (5 more than Curry). If Cushing turns in a good 40 time, he could rocket up the board.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 05:29 PM
Only 4 running backs broke 4.5.

That is just awful. Awful

Beanie had a horrendous 40. There was talk of him running a 4.4 flat. I don't know how he's a top 20 pick right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 05:46 PM
Ziggy Hood hammered out 34 reps. That's awesome for him.

eazyb81
02-22-2009, 06:21 PM
Ziggy Hood hammered out 34 reps. That's awesome for him.

Seriously? Wow, I didn't think he had the mass to do that well. Good for him.

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 06:42 PM
Ziggy Hood hammered out 34 reps. That's awesome for him.

I was really hoping someone would get into the 40+ range.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:44 PM
I see that Raji put up 33 bench reps. Thats not bad, only 4 off from the leader.

Orakpo did 31, and interesting enough, Cushing put up 30 (5 more than Curry). If Cushing turns in a good 40 time, he could rocket up the board.

Cushing is probably more naturally gifted than Curry is that's whats lost in all this.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 07:14 AM
White, Robiskie, Unger, Wood, Monroe = the bigger name combine winners so far.

doomy3
02-23-2009, 10:07 AM
Orakpo ran a 4.63

Good time for a big guy. Same time as Shonn Greene

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 10:27 AM
From Scott Wright:

Maybin officially ran slower than 4.87... ROFL

Orakpo ran a 4.7 official.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 10:28 AM
Cushing is probably more naturally gifted than Curry is that's whats lost in all this.

Cushing's form on the bench was awful. He just bounced the bar every time and never locked out. He probably got credit for 5-7 more reps than he should have.

Pestilence
02-23-2009, 10:57 AM
This from a report by NFL Network’s Paul Burmeister:

Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo limped off the field a few minutes ago and went under the bleachers with one of the trainers. He’s done for the day, but it’s just a tweaked hamstring. Orakpo said he was worried after he thought he heard it ‘pop’, but the trainer said he was ok.

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock has Orakpo listed as his second-best outside linebacker and one of the five best overall prospects in the draft.

His Pro Day workout will be on March 25.

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:13 AM
Arron Curry just ran a 4.54

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:14 AM
Cushing followed it up with a 4.64

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:15 AM
Cushing drifted to his right in the first 15 yards. He should be able to run better than that his second time.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:20 AM
Pile Jumper just ran a 4.87

ROFL ROFL ROFL

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Clay Matthews with a 4.59

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:24 AM
Maugula with a 4.83

And pulled up with a foot or ankle injury

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:24 AM
Clay Matthews with a great 4.59 time.

Mauluga just pulled up lame after a 4.83.

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Is Brown running today?

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Now the're saying it's his hamstring...

That's weird, because after he pulls up, you could hear him audibly say it was his ankle, then he said maybe his foot...

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 11:33 AM
Now the're saying it's his hamstring...

That's weird, because after he pulls up, you could hear him audibly say it was his ankle, then he said maybe his foot...

Maybe he is just slower than shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:35 AM
I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 11:38 AM
Is Brown running today?

Yes. 4.73 official time. Link that seems to be keeping up with results.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/blog/2009/02/2009-nfl-combine-results/

doomy3
02-23-2009, 11:39 AM
I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.

Did you mean to say first round??

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 11:39 AM
I don't know if Laurinaitis is a first day pick. Never liked him anyway.

Mauluga is starting to remind me of Jeremiah Trotter. I don't know if I'd want him with either of our first two picks.


Rey hasnt shown much explosion. 8'5 on the broad really sticks out.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:41 AM
Did you mean to say first round??

No. I wouldn't draft him in the first two rounds. He'll probably go then, but what does he bring?

He's undersized at the middle, he's slooooooooooow, he has no pass rushing ability, he's a meek hitter, and he can't get around blockers.

What does James Laurinaitis bring to the NFL table?

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 11:43 AM
No. I wouldn't draft him in the first two rounds. He'll probably go then, but what does he bring?

He's undersized at the middle, he's slooooooooooow, he has no pass rushing ability, he's a meek hitter, and he can't get around blockers.

What does James Laurinaitis bring to the NFL table?


I'll tell you what. He is the son of Animal, 1/2 of the greatest tag team in wrestlling history. That's what! Other then that not much.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:46 AM
I'll tell you what. He is the son of Animal, 1/2 of the greatest tag team in wrestlling history. That's what! Other then that not much.

He's the Chase Daniel of LB prospects.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:47 AM
Rey hasnt shown much explosion. 8'5 on the broad really sticks out.

Yeah. That was terrible. Like I said...Trotter. Two down player.

Laurinaitis looks maxed out to me, IMO.

ran a 4.80 on NFLn (which is generous) he's probably 4.84-4.85 realistically.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 11:52 AM
Yeah. That was terrible. Like I said...Trotter. Two down player.

Laurinaitis looks maxed out to me, IMO.

ran a 4.80 on NFLn (which is generous) he's probably 4.84-4.85 realistically.

heh, they both are making McKillop look athletic.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 11:57 AM
What's up with the official and unofficial times changing so much?

Pestilence
02-23-2009, 11:58 AM
Marcus Freeman looks good from the numbers. What's the knock on him?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:59 AM
What's up with the official and unofficial times changing so much?

Unofficials are NFLN hand times.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 12:06 PM
God, Laurinaitis is having a Jaison Williams type performance. He looked really slow side to side and moves really stiffly.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:08 PM
Marcus Freeman looks good from the numbers. What's the knock on him?

Smaller DJ, looks good here, doesnt shed blocks well, minor durability issues.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 12:09 PM
Unofficials are NFLN hand times.

Thanks.

I like the way they superimpose the runners on each other. They did it for Brown and Barwin and they were tied at the 10 yard split. Barwin started pulling ahead after 20 yards.

raybec 4
02-23-2009, 12:09 PM
God, Laurinaitis is having a Jaison Williams type performance. He looked really slow side to side and moves really stiffly.
You know that dude wishes he would have come out last year, he was supposed to go top 10 back then. What a difference a year makes.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:10 PM
After watching that drill, might need to re evaluate my man crush on Sintim, but still like his pass rush skills. Curry looks damned good.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 12:12 PM
You know that dude wishes he would have come out last year, he was supposed to go top 10 back then. What a difference a year makes.

He would have been exposed then, too.

doomy3
02-23-2009, 12:15 PM
Curry looks like the only can't miss player in this draft. There may be others who end up being better, but he is the most ready player in this draft IMO. Eugene Monroe is up there too.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:17 PM
heh, wonder why these guys play defense? Ball skills brah.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 12:17 PM
Cushing and Curry are the class of this crop. They are so much more fluid and athletic than the rest of these guys.

Curry had a phenomenal transition to the second level. Flipped his hips really well.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:19 PM
Curry looks like the only can't miss player in this draft. There may be others who end up being better, but he is the most ready player in this draft IMO. Eugene Monroe is up there too.


Curry is the best defensive player in the draft, and this draft is lite on elite talent. He will get drafted higher than a player at his position typically would.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:25 PM
Clay Matthews is making some money today.

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2009, 12:26 PM
Cushing and Curry are the class of this crop. They are so much more fluid and athletic than the rest of these guys.

Curry had a phenomenal transition to the second level. Flipped his hips really well.

Everybody thinks we hate Curry with a passion but he really is a good football player. He isnt worth #3 pick in the draft though.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:30 PM
Everybody thinks we hate Curry with a passion but he really is a good football player. He isnt worth #3 pick in the draft though.

because of the lack of elite talent he is valued higher. He is a top 10 talent in almost any draft class. Just not a position you generally would go that high on. Not going to cry and burn my Chiefs gear if he is the pick, but would rather go QB there.

RustShack
02-23-2009, 12:37 PM
I like how the people who claim Stafford/Sanchez wouldn't be drafted this high in other years fail to see the same thing about their Oline and LB prospects. ROFL

Pestilence
02-23-2009, 12:38 PM
because of the lack of elite talent he is valued higher. He is a top 10 talent in almost any draft class. Just not a position you generally would go that high on. Not going to cry and burn my Chiefs gear if he is the pick, but would rather go QB there.

This.

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 12:46 PM
Clay Matthews is making some money today.

And I think Rey Rey is losing quite a bit.

raybec 4
02-23-2009, 12:48 PM
He would have been exposed then, too.

No doubts, but I believe this to be a deeper class foe LB's so he's hurt himself more than he would have last year.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 12:52 PM
And I think Rey Rey is losing quite a bit.

He answered a lot of the question that people had about him today. He most likely is a 2 down LB.

DaneMcCloud
02-23-2009, 12:58 PM
Well, Albert could easily move to one of those other positions. And yes, I know about the value of drafting him in the first round, etc, but if it makes the team better, sometimes you do unconventional things.

No, that's ridiculous.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 01:01 PM
No doubts, but I believe this to be a deeper class foe LB's so he's hurt himself more than he would have last year.

This is an awful, awful year for MLBers. Is there a 3 down middle linebacker in this draft?

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 01:02 PM
For Monroe to be KC's 1st pick, both QB's and Curry would have to go Ron Mexico all of a sudden. But yes, Monroe is the best OLine in ths draft.

DaneMcCloud
02-23-2009, 01:04 PM
For Monroe to be KC's 1st pick, both QB's and Curry would have to go Ron Mexico all of a sudden. But yes, Monroe is the best OLine in ths draft.

And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

eazyb81
02-23-2009, 01:04 PM
Has anyone on NFLN talked about whether 3-4 teams see Curry playing inside or outside?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 01:05 PM
Has anyone on NFLN talked about whether 3-4 teams see Curry playing inside or outside?

In between strokes, Mayock said he can play any position in any scheme.

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 01:08 PM
And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

Who?

eazyb81
02-23-2009, 01:09 PM
In between strokes, Mayock said he can play any position in any scheme.

Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 01:12 PM
Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

He was interviewed today and admitted that he had no coaching in pass rushing right now, but that if he were put in that position, he could learn the moves and do it well.


He's basically Derrick Brooks. As good of a prospect as he is for a SAM backer, he's nowhere near top 3 value.

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 01:15 PM
Yeah that's what everyone says about him, but I have to imagine that he would be better at one position, or at least teams would project him more at one role over the other.

On the surface he strikes me as a classic 4-3 SAM, but I wonder if 3-4 teams view him as potentially the best rush backer in the draft.

I haven't really heard of any good comparisons to him. Maybe a young/healthy Julian Peterson?

Coogs
02-23-2009, 01:16 PM
Anybody have any updates on todays events with the D-line and LB's?

doomy3
02-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Anybody have any updates on todays events with the D-line and LB's?

:spock:

This thread is loaded with them

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 01:19 PM
And many people in the know say that Albert is a better left tackle.

Monroe's stock has been helped by Albert's play last year. heh UVA had a nice left side of the line.

eazyb81
02-23-2009, 01:21 PM
I haven't really heard of any good comparisons to him. Maybe a young/healthy Julian Peterson?

Peterson is a good comp. Maybe Urlacher due to his size, speed and versatility.

I'm just curious to see how 3-4 teams view him.

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 01:29 PM
Peterson is a good comp. Maybe Urlacher due to his size, speed and versatility.

I'm just curious to see how 3-4 teams view him.

Seen mocks with Cleveland taking him and moving inside.

Coogs
02-23-2009, 01:32 PM
:spock:

This thread is loaded with them


Geez, I'm not sure why, but when I clicked on this link earlier it was still on yesterday's updates? :shrug:

ArrowheadMagic
02-23-2009, 01:39 PM
Geez, I'm not sure why, but when I clicked on this link earlier it was still on yesterday's updates? :shrug:

Here's a link with top tens of most of the timed drills.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#tp-tab-set-1:tp-grid-container-forty-yard-dash

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 01:46 PM
Historic numbers I found for comparison:

Curry 6'2" 254lbs 4.56 in the 40
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 250lbs 4.56 in the 40
Suggs 6'3" 257lbs 4.65 in the 40

BigCatDaddy
02-23-2009, 02:04 PM
Historic numbers I found for comparison:

Curry 6'2" 254lbs 4.56 in the 40
Demarcus Ware 6'4" 250lbs 4.56 in the 40
Suggs 6'3" 257lbs 4.65 in the 40

He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 02:14 PM
He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

I was bringing it up since some people were saying he wasn't big enough to play OLB in a 3-4. I wonder what his arm length is. If KC brings him in for an interview/workout and he is able to demonstrate pass rush skills I don't think Pioli will pass him up.

eazyb81
02-23-2009, 03:18 PM
He appears to be a superior athlete like those two no doubt. He was never asked to rush the passer like they were, so it's tough to make that comparison at this point.

But on the other hand, he excelled in a 4-3 scheme, so he may be a perfect fit if we plan on running a hybrid defense that alternates between the two schemes.

Basileus777
02-23-2009, 04:11 PM
He's basically Derrick Brooks. As good of a prospect as he is for a SAM backer, he's nowhere near top 3 value.

The problem is, outside of a QB, who really had top 3 value in this draft class? This class is barely a step above 2005.

Tribal Warfare
02-23-2009, 05:01 PM
Terrence Taylor keep an eye on this kid, a few years back when I was checking out a Michigan game featuring Gabe Watson. Taylor was the one that stood out as a Sophmore.

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Suggs and Ware were both DE's in college so they had pass rush moves...

And I still don't see Curry as a significantly better prospect than Cushing.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 05:13 PM
Suggs and Ware were both DE's in college so they had pass rush moves...

And I still don't see Curry as a significantly better prospect than Cushing.

Of course you don't. Curry is better and more athletic than Cushing. Plus Cushing has a history of injuries that would make Brody Croyle blush.

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Considering Cushing has never had a "serious" injury that's hilarious, breaking your hand, spraining your ankle don't compare to 2 blown out knees and a blown shoulder.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 05:23 PM
"Has struggled with injuries throughout his career, missing five games due to a shoulder separation in 2005 and three games in 2007 due to a high ankle sprain, as well as undergoing surgery after the 2006 (shoulder) and 2007 (knee) spring practices"

Just the type of player I want to gamble a first round pick on.

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:24 PM
And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

JASONSAUTO
02-23-2009, 05:27 PM
And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

is someone actually touting cushing as #3(post above) i would look at him with our 2nd rounder

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:29 PM
Uh no I didn't tout him at 3, I said I don't think Curry is an eons better prospect which is why I don't think he's worth 3.

That's a nice misinterpretation though, you're great at that.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 05:30 PM
And still that is nothing like Brodie Croyle who you brought up...those are minor injuries..not season enders and he played with them for the most part he's a tough bastard.

Sure, he's tough. He also gets banged up easily and has had two surgeries on key parts of his body. Once he's drafted and the NFL starts testing he might not recover as quickly (if you believe the rumors he's juiced).

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:31 PM
I enjoy when people think he's juiced he's only had those rumors since fucking high school.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 05:34 PM
I enjoy when people think he's juiced he's only had those rumors since ****ing high school.

http://thedirty.com/?p=27560

Mecca
02-23-2009, 05:35 PM
The point is he had rumors of juicing in high school....

Also the nature of those 2 pics are so ridiculously different comparing them is pretty funny.

JASONSAUTO
02-23-2009, 05:38 PM
Uh no I didn't tout him at 3, I said I don't think Curry is an eons better prospect which is why I don't think he's worth 3.

That's a nice misinterpretation though, you're great at that.

damn dude i was talking about post #220(NOT EVEN yours) at the end he said "thats the guy i want to spend a 1st on" thats why i asked just so i didnt have to read EVERYTHING. CHILL OUT

Basileus777
02-23-2009, 05:57 PM
http://thedirty.com/?p=27560

:rolleyes: The dumbass who posted that is misinterpreting those pictures evenw rose than I had previously seen. Those aren't before and after photos. Cush was fucking built in highschool, he trained with some professional meathead trainer. He had an injury at USC and lost a bunch of weight, which is when that first pic was taken. People accused him of juicing because has tits in the first pic, not because he blew up afterwards.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 07:31 PM
I think Curry is a better prospect than Cushing. With that being said, he should not be considered a top 3 pick.

I realize that he's ambrosia for the true fans because he's "safe", but no prospect is "safe". His knee could get Robert Edwardsed the first day of Rookie Camp.

Rudy lost the toss
02-23-2009, 09:33 PM
Can somebody tell me more about DE Michael Johnson? I saw that he had some pretty good combine numbers and weighed in at 266. So will he most likely still project as a 2nd rounder...even with Maybin falling? I noticed he didn't BP, but with his long arms I can understand why. However, I did see on a G-TECH youtube workout video that he power cleaned 340--supposedly-- in 2007...which sounds like a solid number. I know that he is raw or whatever, but Id like to know more from those who have seen him play... because I haven't.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 09:41 PM
Can somebody tell me more about DE Michael Johnson? I saw that he had some pretty good combine numbers and weighed in at 266. So will he most likely still project as a 2nd rounder...even with Maybin falling? I noticed he didn't BP, but with his long arms I can understand why. However, I did see on a G-TECH youtube workout video that he power cleaned 340--supposedly-- in 2007...which sounds like a solid number. I know that he is raw or whatever, but Id like to know more from those who have seen him play... because I haven't.

He quits on a lot of plays.
He only ran a 4.75, that's good, but it was outpaced by several guys considered to be inferior athletes.

He's tall with long arms, but they aren't super long. He's very strong for his arm length though,

If you want to talk about a guy who beasted it at the combine, look at Connor Barwin. 41.5 inch vert, 4.66 40, and he's a really fluid athlete.

Rudy lost the toss
02-23-2009, 09:57 PM
sounds good...so do you pass on him in the 2nd if all other worthy DEs at that pick are gone? For such a great athlete to never start under Chan Gailey in 3 years, Im guessing that he may not draw much interest from the chiefs if Chan had any say--which he should.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 10:04 PM
If I were to rank DEs right now, this would be it:

1. Orakpo
2. Brown
3. English
4. Barwin
5. Maybin
6. Johnson
7. Ayers
8. C. Brown
9. Kruger
10. Kyle Moore

warrior
02-24-2009, 08:12 AM
If I were to rank DEs right now, this would be it:

1. Orakpo
2. Brown
3. English
4. Barwin
5. Maybin
6. Johnson
7. Ayers
8. C. Brown
9. Kruger
10. Kyle Moore


Hamas have you seen Barwin play, an intriguing prospect converted TE 11 sacks his 1st year playing the position. He also looked good in all drills at combine just needs to get stronger.

philfree
02-24-2009, 08:15 AM
Hamas have you seen Barwin play, an intriguing prospect converted TE 11 sacks his 1st year playing the position. He also looked good in all drills at combine just needs to get stronger.

He was talking up moving to OLB in a 3-4. Said he was good in space and liked defense so he thought OLB was the next step.


PhilFree:arrow:

warrior
02-24-2009, 08:34 AM
He was talking up moving to OLB in a 3-4. Said he was good in space and liked defense so he thought OLB was the next step.


PhilFree:arrow:

Seen that, Chiefs need a DE though and he's big enough just looking for a bargin maybe the next J Allen.

Frosty
02-24-2009, 08:37 AM
Has Barwin put himself in the 1st round with that performance?

Frosty
02-24-2009, 08:47 AM
Is there a site that shows the measurements taken at the Combine? Stuff like exact height, arm length, hand size, etc?

ArrowheadMagic
02-24-2009, 09:18 AM
Is there a site that shows the measurements taken at the Combine? Stuff like exact height, arm length, hand size, etc?

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Results.php

Frosty
02-24-2009, 09:32 AM
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Results.php

Thank you, sir.

Chiefnj2
02-24-2009, 09:42 AM
From a statistics/combine point of view Lawrence Sidbury seems like an interesting prospect at DE.

6'2" 266lbs 4.64 (40), 35+ inch arms, 28 reps, improved each year in college putting up 11.5 sacks and 20TFL his senior year.

Anyone ever see him play at Richmond?

Pestilence
02-24-2009, 09:58 AM
From a statistics/combine point of view Lawrence Sidbury seems like an interesting prospect at DE.

6'2" 266lbs 4.64 (40), 35+ inch arms, 28 reps, improved each year in college putting up 11.5 sacks and 20TFL his senior year.

Anyone ever see him play at Richmond?

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Follow #2

Nice spin move at :54

Pestilence
02-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond
Height: 6-4. Weight: 251.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Combine 40 Time: 4.64.
Benchx225: . Vertical: 35.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
2/24/09: Even unofficially (the official times are obviously screwed up), Lawrence Sidbury ran one of the quickest 40s at the 2009 NFL Combine. He really helped himself on a day in which numerous defensive linemen disappointed.

1/9/09: An All-CAA First Team member, Lawrence Sidbury had 14.5 TFL and 6.5 sacks for national champion Richmond.

5/7/08: Lawrence Sidbury should be able to play in any scheme. He had eight tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks in 13 starts last season.

Chiefnj2
02-24-2009, 10:04 AM
Follow #2

Nice spin move at :54

Compared to his other linemen he is quick off the snap. 3 sacks and some additional pressures in their championship game is pretty good.

doomy3
02-24-2009, 10:23 AM
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

philfree
02-24-2009, 10:27 AM
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

No way! He's got positional value and supercedes everything.


PhilFree:arrow:

doomy3
02-24-2009, 10:29 AM
No way! He's got positional value and supercedes everything.


PhilFree:arrow:

Funny thing about that is that he doesn't have positional value unlike what those guys have said. One CB drafted in the top 3 in the HISTORY of the NFL doesn't mean a CB is worth that pick. That's why it's funny to hear that argument against Curry.

philfree
02-24-2009, 10:32 AM
Funny thing about that is that he doesn't have positional value unlike what those guys have said. One CB drafted in the top 3 in the HISTORY of the NFL doesn't mean a CB is worth that pick. That's why it's funny to hear that argument against Curry.

I know but I couldn't help my self.


PhilFree:arrow:

Basileus777
02-24-2009, 10:54 AM
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

Doesn't surprise me at all. I've always thought he was a better prospect at safety than at corner.