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Tribal Warfare
02-21-2009, 01:11 AM
First impressions of the top three quarterbacks (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/02/first_impressions_of_the_top_t.html)
Posted by Tom Kowalski | Opinion February 20, 2009 13:18PM

INDIANAPOLIS -- The first thing that struck me about the top three quarterbacks in this draft -- as they each talked to the media today at the NFL Scouting Combine -- was size. Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez weren't small, but they weren't as big as I thought they might be (apparently, television does add 15 pounds).

Freeman, on the other hand, is huge. At 6-foot-6 and 248 pounds, he looked more like a pass-rushing defensive end. The kid is put together and looks solid.

Stafford really is an impressive guy, but I got the sense a lot of his answers were measured and he was making sure he said all the right things. He kept his answers short and to the point.

Sanchez was much more animated and seemed to enjoy himself the most. Part of that is probably playing under the Hollywood-type attention at USC. Sanchez, before he talked, even joined throng of media interviewing Stafford and gave him a hard time. Interestingly, that's when Stafford seemed to be the most relaxed.

Freeman, who knows he has a lot to prove at this combine, was more serious and made the point that he wants to "let people get an understanding of who Josh Freeman is.''

About the decision to throw at the combine Sunday, Stafford said it was his decision not to throw but he really never gave any good decision as to why. Sanchez, on the other hand, said "it would kill me not to throw.''

And Freeman said repeatedly, "I've got nothing to hide.''

In a couple of months, after the reams of research and miles of tape are analyzed about these three guys, the decision to throw or not to throw won't mean a great deal. But it means something now. Lions coach Jim Schwartz, who echoes the sentiment of a lot of NFL people, said he liked it when an athlete wanted to show the world what he could do.

Mecca
02-21-2009, 01:14 AM
People are way to caught up in Freemans size.

And you can already see the personality Sanchez has which makes his teammates love him.

ArrowheadMagic
02-21-2009, 03:10 AM
Freeman goes in the 1st purely on potential. As it stands now... Stafford then Sanchez ..then Freeman. Davis then Bomar. The only difference between Stafford and Sanchez is experience. minus Stafford has a bigger arm. I know there are a lot of pro Sanchez guys on here, but if it was clear cut .... shouldnt Det. take Sanchez? If that does happen, are you disappointed in Stafford?

ArrowheadMagic
02-21-2009, 03:12 AM
As poorly as Davis secures the ball, I was surprised his hand was 9 1/2 plus. He is Dave Kreig type ball security.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-21-2009, 03:43 AM
Sanchez comes across fantastically to the media. He's the kind of guy who will probably end up on TV once his career his done. He has a great Q factor.

CupidStunt
02-21-2009, 04:29 AM
It is at least somewhat concerning that Stafford isn't throwing. Dude's got a gun, he needs to get out there and compete with Sanchez.

Sanchez ftw.

MIAdragon
02-21-2009, 05:46 AM
It is at least somewhat concerning that Stafford isn't throwing. Dude's got a gun, he needs to get out there and compete with Sanchez.

Sanchez ftw.

I knew Ryan should have thrown last year :cuss:

Mecca
02-21-2009, 05:52 AM
Um I'm pretty sure Ryan did throw last year.

MIAdragon
02-21-2009, 05:57 AM
Um I'm pretty sure Ryan did throw last year.

you sure? I thought all he did was run?

Mecca
02-21-2009, 06:15 AM
you sure? I thought all he did was run?

Ok you're right he didn't throw at the combine, nevermind I got it all mixed up..

It's funny to go back and read the shit from last year where Ryan was getting piled on.

ChiefRon
02-21-2009, 11:09 AM
This worries me a little. I want Sanchez to have a good showing so all the dumbasses who call him a reach in Top 5 will shut up. But then I also don't want him to show so much that the Lions go "wait a minute, this Sanchez kid might be the best QB..."

beer bacon
02-21-2009, 02:25 PM
I didn't know that Stafford and Sanchez were both only 6'2. That isn't very big for a NFL QB.

doomy3
02-21-2009, 02:30 PM
I didn't know that Stafford and Sanchez were both only 6'2. That isn't very big for a NFL QB.

nope, only an inch taller and about the same weight as Thigpen, who has been called undersized several times on here.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 12:05 AM
nope, only an inch taller and about the same weight as Thigpen, who has been called undersized several times on here.

Yep he is, especially with his inaccurate water pistol throwing squirts all over the field..

BleedRed
02-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Not sure if this has been asked before, but do we know if Sanchez is going to throw tomorrow?

milkman
02-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Not sure if this has been asked before, but do we know if Sanchez is going to throw tomorrow?

No, he isn't.

Today, however, is a different matter.

Spicy McHaggis
02-22-2009, 01:48 PM
People are way to caught up in Freemans size.

I agree. It's Byron Leftwich all over again.

BleedRed
02-22-2009, 03:22 PM
No, he isn't.

Today, however, is a different matter.

My mistake, I thought DB's worked out today.

Chiefnj2
02-22-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm reading Sanchez struggled a bit throwing the ball. Did anyone look impressive?

doomy3
02-22-2009, 03:58 PM
I'm reading Sanchez struggled a bit throwing the ball. Did anyone look impressive?

missed Freeman, but McGee and White both had good days

BigChiefFan
02-23-2009, 09:41 PM
I don't think we are drafting Sanchez.

philfree
02-23-2009, 10:25 PM
Here's a take from Pat Kirwan.


5. Concerns at QB
Quarterback is starting to emerge as a position of concern. The top three prospects -- Stafford, Sanchez and Josh Freeman -- are all underclassmen, which was a yellow flag before the combine started. Then the top two prospects, Stafford and Sanchez, were measured under 6-3, and another yellow flag went up.

There is growing sentiment among teams that it might be time to rethink taking a quarterback in the first round and instead look to a later round for a guy who can develop. The quarterbacks who might be mid-round picks, based on how they looked Sunday, include Michigan State's Brian Hoyer, Purdue's Curtis Painter and Ball State's Nate Davis


http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ee370a&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true


PhilFree:arrow:

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 10:35 PM
If Matt Stafford is available at 3, and we don't take him, I'm fucking done. Done.

LiL stumppy
02-23-2009, 10:39 PM
If Matt Stafford is available at 3, and we don't take him, I'm fucking done. Done.

Your not very bright then.

I mean we should all listen to you, since your an NFL scout, and think this guys the real deal.

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2009, 10:41 PM
Your not very bright then.

I mean we should all listen to you, since your an NFL scout, and think this guys the real deal.

So hows Joe Staley doing?

LiL stumppy
02-23-2009, 10:58 PM
Well, he's started 32/32 games in his professional career, you tell me dickwad.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:02 PM
Well, he's started 32/32 games in his professional career, you tell me dickwad.

And how many games did Eric Hicks start for the Chiefs from 2000-2005, cock socket?

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2009, 11:04 PM
Joe Staley or Dwayne Bowe/Branden Albert? I wonder who looks smarter now.

LiL stumppy
02-23-2009, 11:06 PM
And how many games did Eric Hicks start for the Chiefs from 2000-2005, cock socket?

LOL, so explain to me what Staley has or hasn't done that makes him not worthy of us drafting him when our OL was falling apart? Can you explain this Mr. NFL scout?

LiL stumppy
02-23-2009, 11:07 PM
Joe Staley or Dwayne Bowe/Branden Albert? I wonder who looks smarter now.

Your right, I forgot I could see the future, and see we would have drafted those two. Dang.


Oh, and the Dwayne Bowe that was second in the NFL for drops?

ChiefsCountry
02-23-2009, 11:09 PM
Your right, I forgot I could see the future, and see we would have drafted those two. Dang.


We told you in 2007 that 2008 draft was loaded with left tackle prospects and no WR's? Wow look what happened.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:10 PM
LOL, so explain to me what Staley has or hasn't done that makes him not worthy of us drafting him when our OL was falling apart? Can you explain this Mr. NFL scout?

How about this, ass hat:

Left Tackle

1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. DBrickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)

LiL stumppy
02-23-2009, 11:14 PM
So whats worse, him giving up 8 sacks, or Bowe having the second most dropped passes in the NFL?

I am flattered you remember every prospect I wanted to draft, but you both seriously need to step away from your computers and find what normal people call lives. douchebags

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-23-2009, 11:15 PM
So whats worse, him giving up 8 sacks, or Bowe having the second most dropped passes in the NFL?

I am flattered you remember every prospect I wanted to draft, but you both seriously need to step away from your computers and find what normal people call lives. douchebags

So, Staley gives up more sacks than every lineman in the NFL save five, and you think that a 1,000 yard receiver who was catching passes from Tyler Thigpen and Damon Huard is the problem?

Please, don't ever, ever breed.

Count Zarth
02-24-2009, 12:08 AM
Wasn't Leinart a real likeable guy, too?

Food for thought.

Mecca
02-24-2009, 12:10 AM
So, Staley gives up more sacks than every lineman in the NFL save five, and you think that a 1,000 yard receiver who was catching passes from Tyler Thigpen and Damon Huard is the problem?

Please, don't ever, ever breed.

Uh he thinks Oklahoma runs a pro style offense too...

Count Zarth
02-24-2009, 12:10 AM
If Matt Stafford is available at 3, and we don't take him, I'm fucking done. Done.

Goose fabba, Hamas. Pioli is in charge now.

Mecca
02-24-2009, 12:11 AM
Here's a take from Pat Kirwan.




http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ee370a&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true


PhilFree:arrow:

Lets remember Pat Kirwan worked for the Jets for a long period of time...the Jets are not a team that is remembered for knowing how to handle the draft.

And as someone that watched some of those mentioned QB's that makes me cringe.

DaneMcCloud
02-24-2009, 01:25 AM
So whats worse, him giving up 8 sacks, or Bowe having the second most dropped passes in the NFL?

I am flattered you remember every prospect I wanted to draft, but you both seriously need to step away from your computers and find what normal people call lives. douchebags

If you're not joking, kill yourself with an AIDS tree.

philfree
02-24-2009, 08:13 AM
Lets remember Pat Kirwan worked for the Jets for a long period of time...the Jets are not a team that is remembered for knowing how to handle the draft.

And as someone that watched some of those mentioned QB's that makes me cringe.


I just posted the article to give another perspective. I certainly don't hail Kirwan as anything special.

PhilFree:arrow:

LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Uh he thinks Oklahoma runs a pro style offense too...

They do. I will explain again if you would like.


Also, get a hair cut.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-24-2009, 04:08 PM
They do. I will explain again if you would like.


Also, get a hair cut.

Look at this.
Look at how stupid you are.

LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:09 PM
So, Staley gives up more sacks than every lineman in the NFL save five, and you think that a 1,000 yard receiver who was catching passes from Tyler Thigpen and Damon Huard is the problem?

Please, don't ever, ever breed.

The person throwing him the ball is the reason he is dropping them? Please. They're both professional athletes for a reason, you act like Thigpen is a mighty mites player who can't throw the ball.

So was I right about Bowe, or wrong about Staley? Take your pick.

LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:10 PM
Look at this.
Look at how stupid you are.

Unlike traditional spread O's, OU has all 5 linemen with their hands in the dirt. The OL have normal splits, like a pro style offense, and they have many pro-set formations. Their formations are about 50/50, so, they are as much as a pro style offense, as a spread.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-24-2009, 04:14 PM
The person throwing him the ball is the reason he is dropping them? Please. They're both professional athletes for a reason, you act like Thigpen is a mighty mites player who can't throw the ball.

So was I right about Bowe, or wrong about Staley? Take your pick.

You were wrong about both. You are batting .000. Rafael Belliard is laughing at your lack of average.

The point with Bowe was that he got a grand in spite of awful QB play, pointing to how good of a player he is. He obviously needs to work on his hands.

But if you put up 32 GMS and told them to pick between Dwayne Bowe and Joe Staley, not only would everyone pick Bowe, no one would give you more than a 3rd or 4th for Staley. He fucking sucks, end of story, I wanna nail him to the fucking cross.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-24-2009, 04:17 PM
Unlike traditional spread O's, OU has all 5 linemen with their hands in the dirt. The OL have normal splits, like a pro style offense, and they have many pro-set formations. Their formations are about 50/50, so, they are as much as a pro style offense, as a spread.

Their formations are nowhere near 50/50, nor do they take hardly any snaps from under center unless in short yardage or goal line.

They may use a two back as an occasional wrinkle, but 80-90% of the time between the 20s, they are Shotgun, 3-4 Wide. Their WRs run almost nothing but drags, digs, bubbles, and crossing patterns.

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE

LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:17 PM
You were wrong about both. You are batting .000. Rafael Belliard is laughing at your lack of average.

The point with Bowe was that he got a grand in spite of awful QB play, pointing to how good of a player he is. He obviously needs to work on his hands.

But if you put up 32 GMS and told them to pick between Dwayne Bowe and Joe Staley, not only would everyone pick Bowe, no one would give you more than a 3rd or 4th for Staley. He fucking sucks, end of story, I wanna nail him to the fucking cross.

Your being too much of a homer. I never said I didn't like Bowe, the matter of the fact was we needed OL at the time, and Staley would have been a good pick. Who's to say Staley isn't absolutely dominating in the run game?

With that said, Staley needs to improve his pass blocking, as Bowe needs to improve his hands. Please tell me what the difference between these first round picks are. A WR who can't catch, or a LT who can't pass block?

LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Their formations are nowhere near 50/50, nor do they take hardly any snaps from under center unless in short yardage or goal line.

They may use a two back as an occasional wrinkle, but 80-90% of the time between the 20s, they are Shotgun, 3-4 Wide. Their WRs run almost nothing but drags, digs, bubbles, and crossing patterns.

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE

Wrong, the formation difference is far closer than that. I watched the team every weekend.

ChiefsCountry
02-24-2009, 04:26 PM
Oklahoma's So Called Pro Style Offense
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A Real College Pro Style Offense
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LiL stumppy
02-24-2009, 04:27 PM
oh a 6 min highlight real proves what O they run. you got me there.