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jAZ
02-21-2009, 09:18 AM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/02/topwrap_5-w_house_seeks_to_calm_on_banks_volcker_c.php

REUTERS
Reuters North American News Service

Feb 20, 2009 15:08 EST

* Volcker: Economy falling faster than in Depression

By Steve James

NEW YORK, (Reuters) - A top adviser to U.S. President Barack Obama said Friday the global economy may be deteriorating even faster than during the Great Depression, grim euro zone services and manufacturing data hit a record low, and Japan warned economic conditions were also worsening.

U.S. stocks dropped after the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee said it may be necessary to nationalize some banks. The White House sought to ease concerns on bank privatization.

Fears that a U.S. bank rescue plan might lead to nationalization and that the recession was worsening sent stocks lower, but markets eased in afternoon trading . Crude oil prices fell, while gold pushed through the $1,000 per ounce barrier.

"I don't remember any time, maybe even in the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast, quite so uniformly around the world," said Paul Volcker, a top aide to Obama.

Sen. Christopher Dodd said the nationalization of some banks could be needed "at least for a short time," according to a Bloomberg report.

The S&P 500 index nearly hit a 12-year low, and the Dow industrials hit six-year lows, prompting the White House to stress it strongly believed in a privately held bank system.

"Let me reassure as best I can on banks," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told a news conference. "This administration continues to strongly believe that a privately held banking system is the correct way to go, ensuring they are regulated sufficiently by this government."

U.S. bank stocks were hard hit early in the session, with Citigroup, Bank of Americaand Wells Fargoall tumbling.

jAZ
02-21-2009, 09:21 AM
As it turns out, I saw this last night on visualizingeconomics.com.

http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/nyt-bear-mkts.png

memyselfI
02-21-2009, 12:12 PM
Not to worry, we have the one person leading the one entity who can possibly fix this mess. Thank God.:rolleyes:

Dave Lane
02-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Not to worry, we have the one person leading the one entity who can possibly fix this mess. Thank God.:rolleyes:

You are right on. Its only a new direction that has ANY short term chance of turning around this fiasco. Inaction would be inexcusable at this point. I strongly believe Obamas stimulus plan is a bold approach and laudable compared to not doing something. It may fail as all the supply siders actions have in the past, but there is a chance it may soften the blow or even right the ship much earlier. This is NOT some little 3-6 month recession left unchecked.

Dave

petegz28
02-21-2009, 12:40 PM
This is what we get for shipping all our jobs overseas for nothing more than maximum profit. You reap what you sew. We had companies making record profits, now our economy is falling at a record pace.

NickAthanFan
02-21-2009, 12:46 PM
This is what happens when you tank it on purpose.

Hydrae
02-21-2009, 12:53 PM
This is what happens when you tank it on purpose.

This is what happens when you spend decades saying we'll pay for it tomorrow.

Guess what? It is tomorrow.

NickAthanFan
02-21-2009, 12:56 PM
This is what happens when you spend decades saying we'll pay for it tomorrow.

Guess what? It is tomorrow.

It's not tomorrow, have you already forgotten the stimulus bill?

stevieray
02-21-2009, 12:58 PM
... with biden''s surprise still looming over the horizen..

Hydrae
02-21-2009, 12:58 PM
It's not tomorrow, have you already forgotten the stimulus bill?

Oh, you are right. I forgot about that unsecured loan we got to keep the wolves at bay for a few more minutes.

Rain Man
02-21-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm going to turn my yard into a Victory Garden this summer. I have a feeling I may be needing the food.

Stewie
02-21-2009, 02:12 PM
They float "deflationary ballons" out there (bogus) and stimulouse packages, too. The Federal Government's obligations can NEVER, NEVER, NEVER be repaid. The only, and ONLY option is to inflate these problems away. Invest accordingly.

BucEyedPea
02-21-2009, 02:42 PM
I'm going to turn my yard into a Victory Garden this summer. I have a feeling I may be needing the food.

I have one ....but my tomatoes which bore oddles of rich fruit died a few weeks ago in the freeze. I took them in but I missed a day. Waaaa! Gonna have to buy some new plugs. At least there won't be another freeze.

Oh and as far as Volcker goes I don't trust a word he says. He's in the same intellectual camp as those who gave us this crisis.

Calcountry
02-21-2009, 03:34 PM
Not to worry, we have the one person leading the one entity who can possibly fix this mess. Thank God.:rolleyes:I was just wondering when we were going to get the only thing we don't have to fear, is fear itself speach. Wait, he threatened us with a catastrophe if we didn't suck his package.

Calcountry
02-21-2009, 03:35 PM
I'm going to turn my yard into a Victory Garden this summer. I have a feeling I may be needing the food.Why is it called a "Victory Garden", and not just a garden?

Just curious.

Too lazy to google it.

Calcountry
02-21-2009, 03:36 PM
... with biden''s surprise still looming over the horizen..LMAO Jumping Jack Biden will be there for us in an emergency. Can't you just see the top level negotiations going on with that big mouth not knowing when to shut up?

jAZ
02-23-2009, 12:21 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?rpc=60

Soros sees no bottom for world financial "collapse"
Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:19pm EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Renowned investor George Soros said on Friday the world financial system has effectively disintegrated, adding that there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis.

Soros said the turbulence is actually more severe than during the Great Depression, comparing the current situation to the demise of the Soviet Union.

He said the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September marked a turning point in the functioning of the market system.

"We witnessed the collapse of the financial system," Soros said at a Columbia University dinner. "It was placed on life support, and it's still on life support. There's no sign that we are anywhere near a bottom."

His comments echoed those made earlier at the same conference by Paul Volcker, a former Federal Reserve chairman who is now a top adviser to President Barack Obama.

Volcker said industrial production around the world was declining even more rapidly than in the United States, which is itself under severe strain.

"I don't remember any time, maybe even in the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast, quite so uniformly around the world," Volcker said.

(Reporting by Pedro Nicolaci da Costa and Juan Lagorio; Editing by Gary Hill)