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Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 06:08 PM
Confident Sanchez has solid showing (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?id=3926452)
A ball of nervous energy, USC QB Mark Sanchez had a good throwing performance Sunday at the combine.

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INDIANAPOLIS -- One of the neat things about having a top quarterback participate in the combine is seeing how his personality is exposed before scouts, coaches and GMs for 32 teams.

USC's Mark Sanchez clearly showed his competitive nature Sunday.

Sanchez was in a group that featured 10 quarterbacks, but the only one who didn't throw was Matthew Stafford of Georgia, a close friend of Sanchez's who is competing with him to be the top pick in the draft.

Instead of throwing at the combine, most potential first-round QBs elect to hold their own throwing session in March at their college campuses with receivers they know. Peyton Manning, one of the most competitive quarterbacks in the game, skipped the combine workouts when he turned pro in 1998 and advised Stafford to do the same. Stafford did only the running drills and vertical drills Sunday.

Sanchez, a ball of nervous energy during the drills, elected to do all of them.

"That's just me," Sanchez said Friday, two days before his workouts. "I've got to do this. I feel like I want to do it. I'm a competitive person. I want to win, and that's what I'm about. It would kill me not to throw.''

Sanchez wasn't great in the throwing drills, but he was good enough. He proved he could make all the necessary throws to be a top NFL quarterback. His slant passes to his right were the strongest. He held the ball high and displayed good mechanics. He completed both of his go passes to the right side at 31 and 32 yards. His 40-yard go patterns to his left were accurate and had nice arc. Very few of his passes hit the ground, showing that he has a catchable ball.

I could tell this week that the competitive fire within Sanchez still burns after he had one of the best games of his career in the Rose Bowl. Sanchez completed 28 of 35 passes for 413 yards and four touchdowns in a 38-24 victory over Penn State. He was ready for his next challenge, so he applied for the NFL draft and skipped his senior season.

"I feel like this really was the right time for me," Sanchez said. "That was obviously the pinnacle of my career. I felt very tuned in, dialed in for that game. I visualized things very well, and we played at heck of a game as a team first. We peaked at the right time, and it was a good way to go out."

Sanchez showed confidence in his throwing motion and mechanics Sunday. He also had a good fan base, led by, of all people, Stafford, who cheered Sanchez when he ran his 40 and encouraged him during the throwing session. Although Stafford didn't throw, he took time to help Sanchez loosen up before the drills. Their friendship goes back to the Nike Elite 11 camp in high school.

Stafford edged Sanchez in the 40-yard dash, running 4.84 seconds twice. Sanchez ran a 4.88 and 4.97. Sanchez topped Stafford in the vertical jump, leaping 32.5 inches to Stafford's 30.5.

Should Sanchez go ahead of Stafford in the draft?

"Absolutely," Sanchez said. "I'd better think that. And I think he should think that, too. That's what we've got to think. As a competitor, that's all I want to do is be the best that I can be. And the best you can do in this draft is be No. 1.''

Brock
02-22-2009, 06:11 PM
What? According to the usual people around here, he sucked just like they hoped he would.

orange
02-22-2009, 06:15 PM
What? According to the usual people around here, he sucked just like they hoped he would.

Just the people who actually watched him. I'm sure they'll be happy to read Clayton and decide they didn't really see what they saw.

milkman
02-22-2009, 06:21 PM
What? According to the usual people around here, he sucked just like they hoped he would.

Quite frankly, he was wasn't good, and Clayton is an idiot.

milkman
02-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Just the people who actually watched him. I'm sure they'll be happy to read Clayton and decide they didn't really see what they saw.

I think you should go find an older chimpanzee to take in as a house pet.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 06:26 PM
What? According to the usual people around here, he sucked just like they hoped he would.

He was awful. I'm not sure how anyone could disagree with that. He didn't really make any good throws.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 06:27 PM
One of the "neat" things?

What a disastrous first sentence.

milkman
02-22-2009, 06:28 PM
One of the "neat" things?

What a disasterous first sentence.

He's retro cool, you know.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 06:29 PM
He's retro cool, you know.

Indeed.

You're quick on the response, though. Got my typo before I could correct.

Makes me look pretty cool, too, while criticizing another's word choice. ROFL

orange
02-22-2009, 06:33 PM
By Tony Pauline, Special to SI.com, TFYDraft.com

Sliders:

Mark Sanchez/QB/USC: Sanchez struggled most of the day and may have pushed himself out of the draft's first 10 selections. He was accurate throwing between the numbers, but Sanchez sprayed the outs and was very inaccurate with his deep outs. Most worrisome is Sanchez showed marginal arm strength and on a number of occasions receivers were slowing up in their deep patterns as his passes were underthrown.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/22/risers.sliders/index.html?eref=T1

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 06:35 PM
Sanchez didn't look bad, he wasn't perfect but like the article says he was solid.

orange
02-22-2009, 06:37 PM
By Don Banks SI:

-- Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/02/22/snaps.combine/index.html?eref=T1

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 06:40 PM
By Don Banks SI:

-- Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/02/22/snaps.combine/index.html?eref=T1

most of that stuff is timing with the WR's and the QB, knowing the speed of the WR and how he breaks. Which is why the Stafford didn't throw.

milkman
02-22-2009, 06:44 PM
Sanchez didn't look bad, he wasn't perfect but like the article says he was solid.

There's no way that effort can be called "solid".

orange
02-22-2009, 06:46 PM
I think you should go find an older chimpanzee to take in as a house pet.

I'll look into it, but I'm a little leery. Can you send me some Xanax?

ArrowheadMagic
02-22-2009, 06:47 PM
:shrug: maybe he isnt used to throwing to WR's that actually have speed.

chiefforlife
02-22-2009, 06:49 PM
I didnt think he looked good at all. He did nothing to separate himself from the other QBs.

B_Ambuehl
02-22-2009, 06:57 PM
I think his attitude and demeanor during the workout overshadows any less than stellar throws he might've had. He had a lot of pressure on him but was out there joking around and staying loose. What scares me about Stafford is he seems to get overly stressed in the heat of the moment and appears quick to get a deer in the headlights type aura about him.

Shaid
02-22-2009, 07:11 PM
Sorry, he sucked today. Hopefully he can display some skill at his Pro Day. If not, we'll see if it affects his draft stock. I personally think it hurts him a little especially with the low number of starts he's had. Someone who started 4 years and then had a bad day at the combine probably doesn't need to worry so much. When you only measure 6'2" and make bad throws all day, your stock starts to go down pretty fast. It's disappointing because I kinda like the kid.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:12 PM
So did he suck or did he do good?

chiefforlife
02-22-2009, 07:16 PM
So did he suck or did he do good?

He did not do well, Pat White had the best day for QBs.

kc rush
02-22-2009, 07:20 PM
He sucked and proved that he was immature and needs at least two more years in college to show that he can perform in the NFL. It is too much of a risk to take Sanchez in the first 7 rounds. The Chiefs should only draft him if he falls to them in the 9th or 10th round. I would rather have an ok kick-off specialist that an immature sexual predator who needs to have his brother as an agent like Sanchez /SensibleChiefsFan

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 07:22 PM
He sucked and proved that he was immature and needs at least two more years in college to show that he can perform in the NFL. It is too much of a risk to take Sanchez in the first 7 rounds. The Chiefs should only draft him if he falls to them in the 9th or 10th round. I would rather have an ok kick-off specialist that an immature sexual predator who needs to have his brother as an agent like Sanchez /SensibleChiefsFan

This assumes that the specialist listens to his mommy, of course. Not doing so is a terrible sign of immaturity.

Now I need to go to my room.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:26 PM
He did not do well, Pat White had the best day for QBs.

Pat White seriously?

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:27 PM
most of that stuff is timing with the WR's and the QB, knowing the speed of the WR and how he breaks. Which is why the Stafford didn't throw.

Stafford didn’t throw because he didn’t need to throw.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:27 PM
He sucked and proved that he was immature and needs at least two more years in college to show that he can perform in the NFL. It is too much of a risk to take Sanchez in the first 7 rounds. The Chiefs should only draft him if he falls to them in the 9th or 10th round. I would rather have an ok kick-off specialist that an immature sexual predator who needs to have his brother as an agent like Sanchez /SensibleChiefsFan

Just curious why you think that having a semi-bad day at the combine = him being immature?

Kind of sounds silly to me.

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 07:27 PM
So did he suck or did he do good?

He did a solid job.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:27 PM
So did he suck or did he do good?

Def not something to hang his hat on Dirk.

NickAthanFan
02-22-2009, 07:28 PM
Pat White seriously?

Best thing about Pat White is you can get him late, and Pioli will draft franchise QB's in the 6th round every year. /true fan

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 07:28 PM
Just curious why you think that having a semi-bad day at the combine = him being immature?

Kind of sounds silly to me.

***Cross-thread humor alert***

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:28 PM
Just curious why you think that having a semi-bad day at the combine = him being immature?

Kind of sounds silly to me.

more like retarded

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 07:29 PM
Stafford didn’t throw because he didn’t need to throw.

Sanchez didn't need to either, but he did

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 07:29 PM
Best thing about Pat White is you can get him late, and Pioli will draft franchise QB's in the 6th round every year. /true fan

This would allow Gailey to do all the innovative things that he wanted to do with Hagans, or whatever that WR's name was.

Pioli loves little ****ing option QB's.

It's the Patriots way.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Sanchez didn't need to either, but he did

I dissagree, Stafford has almost twice the throws that Sanchez has on the collegiate stage. Like Ryan last year he didnt need to throw.

kc rush
02-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Just curious why you think that having a semi-bad day at the combine = him being immature?

Kind of sounds silly to me.

Yeah, I figured saying pick him up in the 9th or 10th round... or him going back to school for 2 more years... or the "/SensibleChiefFan" would kind of give that away.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:36 PM
Def not something to hang his hat on Dirk.

Yeah but I have a feeling he will light it up on USC's pro day and then he will be back in the mix.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:37 PM
Yeah but I have a feeling he will light it up on USC's pro day and then he will be back in the mix.

It could just be the "jitters".

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:37 PM
Yeah, I figured saying pick him up in the 9th or 10th round... or him going back to school for 2 more years... or the "/SensibleChiefFan" would kind of give that away.

LMAO

Damn I totally missed the /

Sorry about that

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 07:38 PM
I dissagree, Stafford has almost twice the throws that Sanchez has on the collegiate stage.

Sanchez performed well under "hollywood" scrutiny that allows the maturation process to accelerate. Like I said most of this has to with timing with the WR and the QB. knowing the speed of the WR and how he breaks to the ball.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:39 PM
It could just be the "jitters".

Could be I suppose

doomy3
02-22-2009, 07:41 PM
He did a solid job.

Did you watch him today or are you taking Clayton's word for it? I don't know how anyone who watched him today could say he looked "solid."

I love how Clayton says he threw a catchable ball. Other than when he was throwing the ball well out of bounds, I would agree. His receivers had to slow to an almost stop, but without a defender there to pick the pass off, it was pretty easy to catch as they didn't have to run very fast.

milkman
02-22-2009, 07:43 PM
Did you watch him today or are you taking Clayton's word for it? I don't know how anyone who watched him today could say he looked "solid."

I love how Clayton says he threw a catchable ball. Other than when he was throwing the ball well out of bounds, I would agree. His receivers had to slow to an almost stop, but without a defender there to pick the pass off, it was pretty easy to catch as they didn't have to run very fast.

This is why TW is hard to take seriously.
He's got tunnel vision.

I still want Sanchez in the draft, but I'm not so biased by my overall opinion that I can't see.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 07:44 PM
Sanchez performed well under "hollywood" scrutiny that allows the maturation process to accelerate. Like I said most of this has to with timing with the WR and the QB. knowing the speed of the WR and how he breaks to the ball.

Possibly with the throws ( I don’t buy into the “hollwood” bs )

doomy3
02-22-2009, 07:46 PM
This is why TW is hard to take seriously.
He's got tunnel vision.

I still want Sanchez in the draft, but I'm not so biased by my overall opinion that I can't see.

That's why I actually like your takes. You allow for reality instead of just hammering home a point that is senseless.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 07:48 PM
That's why I actually like your takes. You allow for reality instead of just hammering home a point that is senseless.

Are you saying he's a SensibleChiefsfan?

Milk, you gonna stand for this shit?

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 07:49 PM
This is why TW is hard to take seriously.
He's got tunnel vision.

I still want Sanchez in the draft, but I'm not so biased by my overall opinion that I can't see.

I agree you are not biased and I always respect your opinions and takes.

It seems to me we have tunnel vision Sanchez lovers and tunnel vision Sanchez haters on this board and very few that keep it real.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 07:50 PM
Are you saying he's a SensibleChiefsfan?

Milk, you gonna stand for this shit?

ROFLROFL

milkman
02-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Are you saying he's a SensibleChiefsfan?

Milk, you gonna stand for this shit?

LMAO

Oh...It's on..

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 07:57 PM
Possibly with the throws ( I don’t buy into the “hollwood” bs )



snaps under center deals with experience under certain situations and the pressure that comes with it. Sanchez took snaps under a pressure fueled program at USC which if the QB has 3 or 4 bad games his ass is benched for an equally athletic or talented backup. If your talking about experience and pressure Sanchez has lived it while playing QB at USC.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 08:00 PM
snaps under center deals with experience under certain situations and the pressure that comes with it. Sanchez took snaps under a pressure fueled program at USC which if the QB has 3 or 4 bad games his ass is benched for an equally athletic or talented backup. If your talking about experience and pressure Sanchez has lived it while playing QB at USC.

Sure but again IMO I think he has quite a bit more to prove/show than Stafford simply do to Staffords more time under center.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 08:02 PM
I haven't seen it anywhere on here but does anyone know how Chase Daniels did today?

I know he doesn't have much of a shot to be drafted but I hope he did well.

DaKCMan AP
02-22-2009, 08:06 PM
I haven't seen it anywhere on here but does anyone know how Chase Daniels did today?

I know he doesn't have much of a shot to be drafted but I hope he did well.

No one named Chase Daniels participated in the NFL combine.

dirk digler
02-22-2009, 08:08 PM
No one named Chase Daniels participated in the NFL combine.

Oh shut up :)

philfree
02-22-2009, 08:09 PM
Gruden said that he thought Sanchez really helped himself so far at the combine. Go figure.


PhilFree:arrow:

milkman
02-22-2009, 08:12 PM
No one named Chase Daniels participated in the NFL combine.

But the midget named Chase Daniel didn't do anything to embarras himself.

ArrowheadMagic
02-22-2009, 08:16 PM
Gruden said that he thought Sanchez really helped himself so far at the combine. Go figure.


PhilFree:arrow:

The fact no one else, outside White stood out means he wont fall. The fact he did all the drills probably looks better in the eyes of a lot of the teams. The focus is more on mechanics and velocity not necessarily ball placement, due to not having worked with the WR's.

MIAdragon
02-22-2009, 08:16 PM
Gruden said that he thought Sanchez really helped himself so far at the combine. Go figure.


PhilFree:arrow:

Yea the same guy that was sucking off Tebow, not much to figure.

blueballs
02-22-2009, 09:31 PM
.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:33 PM
Anyone and I mean anyone who makes a real assessment of what a QB can do at the combine is really setting themselves up for failure...

Drew Henson looked like a superstar in shorts.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 09:35 PM
Anyone and I mean anyone who makes a real assessment of what a QB can do at the combine is really setting themselves up for failure...

Drew Henson looked like a superstar in shorts.

True, but it is just as absurd to say he looked solid today. If we are just judging Sanchez on his performance today, he failed. Luckily, that's not the case, but it doesn't excuse his pisspoor performance today.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:37 PM
This is why guys don't throw at the combine and get advised not to.

milkman
02-22-2009, 09:37 PM
True, but it is just as absurd to say he looked solid today. If we are just judging Sanchez on his performance today, he failed. Luckily, that's not the case, but it doesn't excuse his pisspoor performance today.

Exactly.

Well said.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:39 PM
Exactly.

Well said.

The only thing that will annoy me about this is the people that will rip him and say this costs him spots and yadda yadda are the same people that will say Jamarcus Russell sucks, you have to pick a side on whether you think the combine matters to QB's.

Personally I think the combine means very little to QB's.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 09:42 PM
The only thing that will annoy me about this is the people that will rip him and say this costs him spots and yadda yadda are the same people that will say Jamarcus Russell sucks, you have to pick a side on whether you think the combine matters to QB's.

Personally I think the combine means very little to QB's.

Jamarcus Russell does suck. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

milkman
02-22-2009, 09:44 PM
The only thing that will annoy me about this is the people that will rip him and say this costs him spots and yadda yadda are the same people that will say Jamarcus Russell sucks, you have to pick a side on whether you think the combine matters to QB's.

Personally I think the combine means very little to QB's.

As I said elsewhere, the thing that matters most is his performance in games.

How he does on the Wonderlic and in interviews are the real important tests for him at the combine, as Hamas points out.

The performance in the combines on the field might raise questions, but he can answer those in his pro day work out and with his tape in games.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:46 PM
Jamarcus Russell does suck. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

He looked like a god throwing at the combine...that's the point.

Von Dumbass
02-22-2009, 09:47 PM
most of that stuff is timing with the WR's and the QB, knowing the speed of the WR and how he breaks. Which is why the Stafford didn't throw.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/workouts Mayock says that scouts and coaches don't care about that. They are looking for the fundamentals like footwork, how they hold the ball, and how strong their arm is.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 09:49 PM
He looked like a god throwing at the combine...that's the point.

So, someone can't say that Russell sucks and that Sanchez potentially hurt himself today?

milkman
02-22-2009, 09:51 PM
So, someone can't say that Russell sucks and that Sanchez potentially hurt himself today?

I think the most you can say is that Sanchez didn't help himself to move ahead of Stafford.

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 09:51 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/workouts Mayock says that scouts and coaches don't care about that. They are looking for the fundamentals like footwork, how they hold the ball, and how strong their arm is.

correct, which is why individuals shouldn't go apeshit that a certain QB does a good or bad job at the event.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:52 PM
I didn't think Sanchez was awful or great I thought he was pretty much right in the middle...he showed good fundamentals and feet but missed on some throws and there was some bad timing going on.

It wasn't an awe inspiring performance but I didn't think it was anything that had a red flag in it.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 09:53 PM
I think the most you can say is that Sanchez didn't help himself to move ahead of Stafford.

This is most likely true, however if he doesn't look considerably better at his pro day, I think some serious red flags will be raised.

milkman
02-22-2009, 09:53 PM
correct, which is why individuals shouldn't go apeshit that a certain QB does a good or bad job at the event.

But, it has to be a concern that he didn't display the arm strength that most of us that like Sanchez knows he has.

He didn't hurt himself as much as some people think, but neither did he help himself.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:55 PM
I don't really think it's possible for him to surpass Stafford, Stafford is the one with the jawdropping natural ability, all of Sanchez big plusses over Stafford are things that aren't shown in workouts.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 09:57 PM
I don't really think it's possible for him to surpass Stafford, Stafford is the one with the jawdropping natural ability, all of Sanchez big plusses over Stafford are things that aren't shown in workouts.

Will you at least concede that he needs to throw the ball MUCH better at his pro day to realistically be a candidate at #3? I just can't see Pioli drafting this guy if he throws like that again.

milkman
02-22-2009, 09:59 PM
I don't really think it's possible for him to surpass Stafford, Stafford is the one with the jawdropping natural ability, all of Sanchez big plusses over Stafford are things that aren't shown in workouts.

That's probably true, but Sanchez is showing his competitive nature by competing to at least make that attempt.

I guess that's just another sign of immaturity.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 09:59 PM
What exactly were you looking for I was watching his mechanics and feet...his arm strength didn't show through and the bad timing I was fully expecting since he wasn't familiar with any of the receivers.

I think the only thing he really needs to do is consistently show his arm strength more.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:00 PM
That's probably true, but Sanchez is showing his competitive nature by competing to at least make that attempt.

I guess that's just another sign of immaturity.

Depends who's evaluating him, some people think his confidence is cockiness.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:02 PM
What exactly were you looking for I was watching his mechanics and feet...his arm strength didn't show through and the bad timing I was fully expecting since he wasn't familiar with any of the receivers.

I think the only thing he really needs to do is consistently show his arm strength more.

His arm strength was my biggest concern going into today as I have repeatedly said. He actually showed WORSE arm strength today than what I was expecting, and I didn't expect much in that category. If it isn't significantly better in his pro day, that is a huge concern.

TRR
02-22-2009, 10:02 PM
I watched all of Sanchez' throws today and thought he did a great job with his footwork, and keeping the ball high. Gruden seems to really like Sanchez, and what he brings to the table.

In the end, I think that with Crabtree measuring at 6'1, and surgery looming on his foot, he is almost undraftable at the #3 spot. If he waits until after his Pro Day to have the surgery, he may not be ready for Mini Camp. That being said, I think KC would be crazy to pass on a competitor like Sanchez. He has good intangibles, toughness, will only get better with more experience.

I came away liking Sanchez more today after his workout than before. I would be upset to see KC draft another LB like Curry or reach for another player when a QB like Sanchez is waiting and ready to impact a team.
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milkman
02-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Depends who's evaluating him, some people think his confidence is cockiness.

FTR, the immaturity shot was sarcasm aimed at SensibleChief.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:03 PM
That's probably true, but Sanchez is showing his competitive nature by competing to at least make that attempt.

I guess that's just another sign of immaturity.

I definitely like that he is competing and respect him for that. I just wish he would have competed better. When your arm strength looks inferior to guys like Pat White, then maybe you should have saved it.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:05 PM
Depends who's evaluating him, some people think his confidence is cockiness.

I want a cocky QB. But I want a cocky QB that can back it up.

Thigpen has also been overconfident this offseason. That doesn't equate to success though.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:07 PM
I still didn't think his arm strength came off as poorly as same are making it out to be, it wasn't like he was Chad Pennington out there, his arm looked league average to me in todays workout.

I'd say he has an above average arm and needs to show that, he's probably already been told that 100 times by people coaching him.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:09 PM
I still didn't think his arm strength came off as poorly as same are making it out to be, it wasn't like he was Chad Pennington out there, his arm looked league average to me in todays workout.

I'd say he has an above average arm and needs to show that, he's probably already been told that 100 times by people coaching him.

He underthrew deep balls worse than ANYONE else in the drills today. Also the post corner, other than the one he threw out of bounds. And he was competing with mostly guys who won't be playing QB in the NFL.

BleedRed
02-22-2009, 10:17 PM
When I watched Sanchez throw today I watched his feet and his release first. His five and seven step drops looks fluid to me. He had good spacing between his steps and didn't seem to stutter or take a few long or short steps. And he held the ball at a good height, right under his chin. Compared to some other guys that threw the ball, like that kid from 'Bama Gruden was jerking off, Sanchez looked poised in his drop back. As absurd as that sounds.

As for his arm strength, I thought he threw the ball well on the out routes and the post corner. The first deep throw he made had a lot of air under it, but I honestly think that had more to do with him floating it up there for the receiver to run under than anything else. And I say that because more than half of the receivers running routes rounded off on the second cone and its hard for a QB that has no timing with said WR to know where he is going to make his break and then place the ball accordingly.

BleedRed
02-22-2009, 10:21 PM
He underthrew deep balls worse than ANYONE else in the drills today. Also the post corner, other than the one he threw out of bounds. And he was competing with mostly guys who won't be playing QB in the NFL.

Personally, I think you are a bit stuck on the deep balls he threw. I wouldn't get so caught up in that. There are a lot of good NFL QB's that throw soft deep balls.

Arm strength really is more important on the 15+ yard deep out routes and digs. And I think he showed he is capable of making those throws.

Besides, if he was that horribly inaccurate and weak armed, would he really have been as good as he was at USC this year? The guys on NFL T.V. said it best, the tape doesn't lie. You simply cannot judge anyone by a few throws at a combine with players he's never worked with. I mean, why is it said year after year in preseason how important it is for a QB and WR to establish timing?

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 10:22 PM
I PRAY to CHRIST the Kansas City Chiefs DO NOT draft a QB with the #3 PICK in the draft.....THERE is NO QB in the Draft that warrants the #3 PICK period! I'm not at all sold on Stafford either......YES it is a HUGE need ..... but NO NO NO.....there is no QB worth that pick in the 09' DRAFT! Please don't let this happen.....Please.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 10:24 PM
He underthrew deep balls worse than ANYONE else in the drills today. Also the post corner, other than the one he threw out of bounds. And he was competing with mostly guys who won't be playing QB in the NFL.

Oh bull fucking shit.

The two fly routes he threw were perfectly accurate, the WR had to take the slightest of hesitations to get there. Not one QB hit their guy in stride on the 9, and Pat White was the only one without a semblance of an underthrow.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Oh bull ****ing shit.

The two fly routes he threw were perfectly accurate, the WR had to take the slightest of hesitations to get there. Not one QB hit their guy in stride on the 9, and Pat White was the only one without a semblance of an underthrow.

No, they weren't. Not even close. They were most definitely behind the receivers.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 10:27 PM
I PRAY to CHRIST the Kansas City Chiefs DO NOT draft a QB with the #3 PICK in the draft.....THERE is NO QB in the Draft that warrants the #3 PICK period! I'm not at all sold on Stafford either......YES it is a HUGE need ..... but NO NO NO.....there is no QB worth that pick in the 09' DRAFT! Please don't let this happen.....Please.

So what do you suggest?

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:27 PM
Pat Whites deep ball looked better while at the same time he had slow sloppy dropbacks and his outs were very poor they didn't have much drive or velocity coming out, there was a point when I was like man some of these passes look like White is trying to hard to show his arm is strong enough that he's losing control of the ball.

Personally what I thought of White was he showed he was a good athlete which everyone already knew, and that he could throw a nice deep ball which doesn't have much to do with arm strength and on the real arm strength throws he was overcompensating so much to try to show his arm is strong he was losing everything else.

Which is why I kind of sat in amazement at the statement that White looked better than Sanchez that someone made.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:28 PM
So what do you suggest?

Take the safe player we gotta be worried about right now win 6 games!

the Talking Can
02-22-2009, 10:28 PM
I PRAY to CHRIST the Kansas City Chiefs DO NOT draft a QB with the #3 PICK in the draft.....THERE is NO QB in the Draft that warrants the #3 PICK period! I'm not at all sold on Stafford either......YES it is a HUGE need ..... but NO NO NO.....there is no QB worth that pick in the 09' DRAFT! Please don't let this happen.....Please.

take that nonsense back to WPI where it belongs....

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:31 PM
Oh bull ****ing shit.

The two fly routes he threw were perfectly accurate, the WR had to take the slightest of hesitations to get there. Not one QB hit their guy in stride on the 9, and Pat White was the only one without a semblance of an underthrow.

It's funny that now you say they were perfectly accurate, because during the actual combine, here's what you had to say:

Neither one of those 9 routes were in stride from Sanchez, but they were good misses.


Good misses. I'm not sure how UNDERTHROWING a 9 route makes it a "good miss." Those are often times picked.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 10:34 PM
No, they weren't. Not even close. They were most definitely behind the receivers.

They absolutely were not. If you wanted to see bad throws from the QBs on the deep balls, look at what Painter and Reilly did.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 10:34 PM
take that nonsense back to WPI where it belongs....

Really???.....So Take a QB regardless in your opinion? Sorry.....But I disagree.......While I do think the QB position is the most important position....I DO NOT think think it is a automatic selection based on this years draft class. Your willing to draft on position, rather that talent? And U believe the QB class has the talent to be drafted @ #3?

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:35 PM
Really???.....So Take a QB regardless in your opinion? Sorry.....But I disagree.......While I do think the QB position is the most important position....I DO NOT think think it is a automatic selection based on this years draft class. Your willing to draft on position, rather that talent? And U believe the QB class has the talent to be drafted @ #3?

I'm sure you think Sam Bradford is a better prospect than these guys too right?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 10:35 PM
It's funny that now you say they were perfectly accurate, because during the actual combine, here's what you had to say:




Good misses. I'm not sure how UNDERTHROWING a 9 route makes it a "good miss." Those are often times picked.

Idiot.

#1 I never said they were perfect throws. A perfect throw is to the outside shoulder in stride. I said no one hid them in stride.

If you underthrow a 9 by a half step, the receiver sees it and either gets run into (for a PI) or makes the catch, because it's nigh impossible for a CB running stride for stride to make that adjustment after the receiver has done it.

Hence the prevalence of the fade stop.

Shaid
02-22-2009, 10:35 PM
I'm not saying don't draft the guy but you have to admit his throws today were not what you'd expect from the 3rd overall pick in the draft. If he had more starting experience I don't think the combine hurts him at all. The problem is he doesn't have a lot of starting experience and he is a Junior coming out. That makes the combine more important for him. I think he was too worried about proper footwork and proper mechanics and not on making an accurant pass. Hopefully his pro day looks better.

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 10:36 PM
I've seen conflicting reports about Sanchez today (didn't get to watch it myself).

Gruden & Mooch seemed to think he did "ok" and "solid", Mooch even mentioned him as "the next great QB from USC", other reports said he looked decent and showed the arm strength to make all the throws.

Then I come to CP and wham, he totally sucked, missed all the throws, etc.

This place will go nuts no matter who we draft.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:36 PM
I've seen conflicting reports about Sanchez today (didn't get to watch it myself).

Gruden & Mooch seemed to think he did "ok" and "solid", Mooch even mentioned him as "the next great QB from USC", other reports said he looked decent and showed the arm strength to make all the throws.

Then I come to CP and wham, he totally sucked, missed all the throws, etc.

This place will go nuts no matter who we draft.

Some people thought they were gonna see him display some sort of JaMarcus Russell cannon or something, those are the guys who awe people in workouts but then we look to the field...

Tribal Warfare
02-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Then I come to CP and wham, he totally sucked, missed all the throws, etc.

This place will go nuts no matter who we draft.

People don't know what to look for.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Idiot.

#1 I never said they were perfect throws. A perfect throw is to the outside shoulder in stride. I said no one hid them in stride.

If you underthrow a 9 by a half step, the receiver sees it and either gets run into (for a PI) or makes the catch, because it's nigh impossible for a CB running stride for stride to make that adjustment after the receiver has done it.

Hence the prevalence of the fade stop.

I just QUOTED you in this thread saying they were perfectly accurate.

And those weren't thown a half-step behind the receivers.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:40 PM
By the way is Don Banks really quoted in the thread?

He's like the net version of Todd McShay.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 10:40 PM
Take the safe player we gotta be worried about right now win 6 games!

Please Be honest.....U believe Sanchez is worth the 3rd pick in the draft? Because he is a QB? Or because his talent? Really? Not being a dick....but what U R seeing.....watched Sanchez get his cock stomped in Eugene and then watched his UNBELIEVABLE performance in the ROSE Bowl.....but REALLY 16 starts and ready to call him READY??????? Just scared I guess......

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 10:40 PM
I just QUOTED you in this thread saying they were perfectly accurate.

And those weren't thown a half-step behind the receivers.

Perfectly accurate isn't a perfect throw.

Why is this so hard to understand?

If Pennington hoists up a lollipop that is going to hit his man in stride, but it stays up so long that the CB picks it off, it's an accurate throw, but it's not a perfect throw.

The receivers didn't have to break for the ball, move towards the middle of the field, or slow down much at all. Less than any other QB who threw the deep ball, save for the one Pat White aired out that his receiver had to lay out for to get to because it was overthrown.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Uh the only time Sanchez played in Eugene was last year and they didn't get stomped by a top 5 Oregon team mind you...

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Please Be honest.....U believe Sanchez is worth the 3rd pick in the draft? Because he is a QB? Or because his talent? Really? Not being a dick....but what U R seeing.....watched Sanchez get his cock stomped in Eugene and then watched his UNBELIEVABLE performance in the ROSE Bowl.....but REALLY 16 starts and ready to call him READY??????? Just scared I guess......

Please be honest, who ya got at QB next year?

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:42 PM
Please be honest, who ya got at QB next year?

If he says Colt McCoy we get to kick his ass...

But I'm going to bet it's going to be some spread monkey.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 10:43 PM
Please Be honest.....U believe Sanchez is worth the 3rd pick in the draft? Because he is a QB? Or because his talent? Really? Not being a dick....but what U R seeing.....watched Sanchez get his cock stomped in Eugene and then watched his UNBELIEVABLE performance in the ROSE Bowl.....but REALLY 16 starts and ready to call him READY??????? Just scared I guess......

20 years of Carl Peterson will do that to you...

Just relax, we never won shit drafting scared and regardless of what people say, you can win a championship by drafting and developing QB's in the 1st round...

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 10:43 PM
If he says Colt McCoy we get to kick his ass...

But I'm going to bet it's going to be some spread monkey.

Right on, next year will be defense at the top of the draft

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:44 PM
Right on, next year will be defense at the top of the draft

If anyone tells me Sam Bradford is better prospect than Eric Berry or Carlos Dunlap I get to beat them in the head with a pipe Ken Hamlin style.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 10:46 PM
Perfectly accurate isn't a perfect throw.

Why is this so hard to understand?

If Pennington hoists up a lollipop that is going to hit his man in stride, but it stays up so long that the CB picks it off, it's an accurate throw, but it's not a perfect throw.

The receivers didn't have to break for the ball, move towards the middle of the field, or slow down much at all. Less than any other QB who threw the deep ball, save for the one Pat White aired out that his receiver had to lay out for to get to because it was overthrown.

Well, like I said in the combine thread when you were calling me an idiot saying Sanchez threw a perfect post corner route when he threw one out of bounds, and one way behind the receiver, we must have been watching different combines.

chiefs1111
02-22-2009, 10:47 PM
If anyone tells me Sam Bradford is better prospect than Eric Berry or Carlos Dunlap I get to beat them in the head with a pipe Ken Hamlin style.

Well just wait a little while,someone here will say it at some point.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Well, like I said in the combine thread when you were calling me an idiot saying Sanchez threw a perfect post corner route when he threw one out of bounds, and one way behind the receiver, we must have been watching different combines.

Well some people were, hearing some say Pat White looked awesome is mind numbing.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 10:52 PM
If he says Colt McCoy we get to kick his ass...

But I'm going to bet it's going to be some spread monkey.

Tebow.

It's coming. Because he's a "winner."

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 10:56 PM
Please be honest, who ya got at QB next year?

Ya Know Ron.....I don't know. But I don't think there is an OUTSTANDING QB worth the #3 in this years draft and I don't think U reach for one. While I agree it is a HUGE Need .... IMO there is not a QB that warrants that high of a selection ..... regardless of importance. We have a ton of needs....including QB...but I do not believe drafting a underclassman @ #3 is worth the pick.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 10:57 PM
Ya Know Ron.....I don't know. But I don't think there is an OUTSTANDING QB worth the #3 in this years draft and I don't think U reach for one. While I agree it is a HUGE Need .... IMO there is not a QB that warrants that high of a selection ..... regardless of importance. We have a ton of needs....including QB...but I do not believe drafting a underclassman @ #3 is worth the pick.

And what QB's are worth it, Sam Bradford right...blah...

I also think it's funny that anyone would just assume an underclassman will fail just cause.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 10:58 PM
Ya Know Ron.....I don't know. But I don't think there is an OUTSTANDING QB worth the #3 in this years draft and I don't think U reach for one. While I agree it is a HUGE Need .... IMO there is not a QB that warrants that high of a selection ..... regardless of importance. We have a ton of needs....including QB...but I do not believe drafting a underclassman @ #3 is worth the pick.

So what QB do you have leading this team into the future?

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:00 PM
And what QB's are worth it, Sam Bradford right...blah...

I also think it's funny that anyone would just assume an underclassman will fail just cause.

You keep using the word "safe" like it's a negative.......8-8 blah blah blah.....we have alot more needs than just the QB position....I'm with U, the QB is the building block ..... but don't force it if the player is not on the board.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:01 PM
And where did I say safe in that post?

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:02 PM
You keep using the word "safe" like it's a negative.......8-8 blah blah blah.....we have alot more needs than just the QB position....I'm with U, the QB is the building block ..... but don't force it if the player is not on the board.

Let's forget the more controversial Sanchez.

If you don't think Stafford is worthy of the #3 overall selection, there will never, and I mean NEVER, be a prospect that you like enough to make the selection.

We're talking about a player with unbelievable tools and enormous upside, and these really aren't even arguable points.

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 11:03 PM
Ya Know Ron.....I don't know. But I don't think there is an OUTSTANDING QB worth the #3 in this years draft and I don't think U reach for one. While I agree it is a HUGE Need .... IMO there is not a QB that warrants that high of a selection ..... regardless of importance. We have a ton of needs....including QB...but I do not believe drafting a underclassman @ #3 is worth the pick.

See that's the thing. QB. The most important position on the field. Define reach.

Do you really want to see Thigpen next year? I sure as hell don't want to drive 8 hours to watch Thigpen again...unless he's playing but our franchise QB is carrying a clipboard and learning the speed of the game.

We HAVE to get a franchise QB.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:03 PM
Let's forget the more controversial Sanchez.

If you don't think Stafford is worthy of the #3 overall selection, there will never, and I mean NEVER, be a prospect that you like enough to make the selection.

We're talking about a player with unbelievable tools and enormous upside, and these really aren't even arguable points.

Only if he played in the Big 12!

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 11:04 PM
Let's forget the more controversial Sanchez.

If you don't think Stafford is worthy of the #3 overall selection, there will never, and I mean NEVER, be a prospect that you like enough to make the selection.

We're talking about a player with unbelievable tools and enormous upside, and these really aren't even arguable points.

I thought we were only arguing about Sanchez being a reach at #3?

Surely we're not suggesting Stafford is a reach at #3??

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:04 PM
And where did I say safe in that post?

not in this post...but condeming any other pick other than QB in many of your posts.....I'm on board with your QB being the most important component of the team.....just not on board with this draft being the time to find one.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:05 PM
I thought we were only arguing about Sanchez being a reach at #3?

Surely we're not suggesting Stafford is a reach at #3??

He's said no quarterback is worthy of the selection, including Stafford.

ChiefRon
02-22-2009, 11:07 PM
He's said no quarterback is worthy of the selection, including Stafford.

And which kicker would he like us to take?

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:08 PM
not in this post...but condeming any other pick other than QB in many of your posts.....I'm on board with your QB being the most important component of the team.....just not on board with this draft being the time to find one.

Let me guess you'd like to take Aaron Curry as 1 cover LB has been taken top 3 in the last 20 years....that's an awesome idea.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:09 PM
And which kicker would he like us to take?

He wants us to take an OL I'm sure, this fan base has an OLine obsession 5 1st rounders!

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:09 PM
So..... IF we do not draft a QB in the first round, most would be dissappointed????

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:10 PM
And which kicker would he like us to take?

Exactly.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:10 PM
Given this AWESOME class of QB's we have to choose from?

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:11 PM
Given this AWESOME class of QB's we have to choose from?

What do you want to do.....you need to have a better informed take than just "Oh I don't want a QB" which is a fear post..

Tell me who's better.

SNR
02-22-2009, 11:12 PM
not in this post...but condeming any other pick other than QB in many of your posts.....I'm on board with your QB being the most important component of the team.....just not on board with this draft being the time to find one.Next year sure as hell isn't. Mark Sanchez has way more talent than ANY QB next year.

Either we get a pretty good prospect this year or we don't do it at all. We sign Jeff Garcia, draft Curry and an offensive line, and win 2 games again next year, rinse and repeat.

We DON'T have a franchise QB. Sanchez is good enough to be called a franchise QB by most draft experts. NOW would be a good time for this team to get one, especially if we're going to dole out truckloads of money with the 3rd overall pick.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:13 PM
What do you want to do.....you need to have a better informed take than just "Oh I don't want a QB" which is a fear post..

Tell me who's better.

Dude....I'm on your side.......I just don't want to draft a QB with the 3rd pick regardless of talent.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:14 PM
Dude....I'm on your side.......I just don't want to draft a QB with the 3rd pick regardless of talent.

What the hell point are you making you said you don't want a QB now you're saying you're on my side?

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:15 PM
What the hell point are you making you said you don't want a QB now you're saying you're on my side?

He's saying he wants to draft a QB, but not if there isn't one worthy of the selection.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:15 PM
What the hell point are you making you said you don't want a QB now you're saying you're on my side?

I'm saying you don't draft a franchise QB if there is NO franchise QB to draft.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:16 PM
He's saying he wants to draft a QB, but not if there isn't one worthy of the selection.

BINGO

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:18 PM
And then you are saying that you don't thin they are worth it so who do you want then?

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:18 PM
Dude....I'm on your side.......I just don't want to draft a QB with the 3rd pick regardless of talent.

So when do you draft a QB?

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:19 PM
He's saying he wants to draft a QB, but not if there isn't one worthy of the selection.

Again, if anyone doesn't think Stafford is worthy of #3, that poster will never think there's a talented enough prospect.

Arguing Stafford's raw talent and upside is just, well, painful.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:21 PM
Again, if anyone doesn't think Stafford is worthy of #3, that poster will never think there's a talented enough prospect.

Arguing Stafford's raw talent and upside is just, well, painful.

I'm not arguing this point at all, as I have repeated over and over that I feel like Stafford is the only franchise QB in this class.

I was just clarifying to Mecca what I thought his post was saying.

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:22 PM
I'm not arguing this point at all, as I have repeated over and over that I feel like Stafford is the only franchise QB in this class.

I was just clarifying to Mecca what I thought his post was saying.

No, I know.

This wasn't directed at you. I was merely picking up on the line of thought.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:23 PM
So when do you draft a QB?

If I'm Pioli.....not with the #3 pick. It's easy to say go for Cassell, go for Anderson....but both are fairly unrealistic. But IMO there is not a QB in this Draft worth the #3 pick in the draft....#3.....there is soooo many needs on a 2-14 team.....the QB is the most important .... but when there is NO QB worthy of that selection...U don't draft him just because. Mecca will LOVE this .... but I really do have faith that Pioli has a better grasp of our needs than I do.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:24 PM
I'm not arguing this point at all, as I have repeated over and over that I feel like Stafford is the only franchise QB in this class.

I was just clarifying to Mecca what I thought his post was saying.

Actually Doomy, I am ready for preseaon, CP is almost getting impossible to read....

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:25 PM
Actually Doomy, I am ready for preseaon, CP is almost getting impossible to read....

This I will agree with. But it's that way coming from both sides of this argument.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:26 PM
If I'm Pioli.....not with the #3 pick. It's easy to say go for Cassell, go for Anderson....but both are fairly unrealistic. But IMO there is not a QB in this Draft worth the #3 pick in the draft....#3.....there is soooo many needs on a 2-14 team.....the QB is the most important .... but when there is NO QB worthy of that selection...U don't draft him just because. Mecca will LOVE this .... but I really do have faith that Pioli has a better grasp of our needs than I do.

Way to not take any position at all.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:27 PM
Way to not take any position at all.

My position.....as stated.....DO NOT draft a QB @ #3.

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:28 PM
My position.....as stated.....DO NOT draft a QB @ #3.

Who would you draft there? That is his question.

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:29 PM
My position.....as stated.....DO NOT draft a QB @ #3.

And once again that means you want to draft who then?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-22-2009, 11:29 PM
Dude....I'm on your side.......I just don't want to draft a QB with the 3rd pick regardless of talent.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/robrabies/motivator9493920.jpg

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:30 PM
This I will agree with. But it's that way coming from both sides of this argument.

Its just getting old, all the draft talk, all the opinions, all the experts, all the people calling out the experts for they are the experts, the anti-qb crowd, the pro-qb crowd, the true fans, the realists....

I cant wait to get the board back to actual Chiefs talk instead of constant bashing...

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:31 PM
Its just getting old, all the draft talk, all the opinions, all the experts, all the people calling out the experts for they are the experts, the anti-qb crowd, the pro-qb crowd, the true fans, the realists....

I cant wait to get the board back to actual Chiefs talk instead of constant bashing...

yep. Me too.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:32 PM
Who would you draft there? That is his question.

Which has been dodged in each reply... But we do know he doesnt ever think a QB should be drafted at #3 position...

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:34 PM
And once again that means you want to draft who then?

That's a fine question......Doubtful that anyone would give fair value for the #3 pick....D Line would be the first place I would look although it as thin as QB...as much as u hate it... I would look hard @ Curry....

ChiefsCountry
02-22-2009, 11:34 PM
Its just getting old, all the draft talk, all the opinions, all the experts, all the people calling out the experts for they are the experts, the anti-qb crowd, the pro-qb crowd, the true fans, the realists....

I cant wait to get the board back to actual Chiefs talk instead of constant bashing...

It always gets pretty nasty around draft time but this year is worse mainly bc a) we are going to draft a QB and b) the influx of retarded noobs.

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:36 PM
It always gets pretty nasty around draft time but this year is worse mainly bc a) we are going to draft a QB and b) the influx of retarded noobs.

Being a 4 year vet, this is the real head scratcher... I dont ever recall n00b season being this popular...

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:37 PM
That's a fine question......Doubtful that anyone would give fair value for the #3 pick....D Line would be the first place I would look although it as thin as QB...as much as u hate it... I would look hard @ Curry....

I never saw that coming.... :rolleyes:

DeezNutz
02-22-2009, 11:38 PM
That is the real head scratcher... I dont ever recall n00b season being this popular...

I think a lot have tagged along with the new regime.

They just can't quit them some Pioli.

Similar situation when Herm was hired, except a bunch of n00bs were briefly coming over to tell us how shitty he was. They were right, by the way.

ChiefsCountry
02-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Being a 4 year vet, this is the real head scratcher... I dont ever recall n00b season being this popular...

New regime
WPI bashing
Draft time

All recipies for idiot noobs.

KCwolf
02-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I never saw that coming.... :rolleyes:

Sorry Rererun......just my opinion. and u want to draft with the #3??

Mecca
02-22-2009, 11:40 PM
We should obviously reach on a DE...

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:40 PM
Sorry Rererun......just my opinion. and u want to draft with the #3??

QB

doomy3
02-22-2009, 11:41 PM
I am leaning towards Raji if Stafford is off the board personally

Reerun_KC
02-22-2009, 11:41 PM
Sorry Rererun......just my opinion. and u want to draft with the #3??

I want a RG or another LT....

orange
02-23-2009, 03:46 AM
More reviews trickling in:

Quarterback:

Winners:
Pat White, West Virginia - The lack of credit White is getting at quarterback is bordering on ridiculous. Even without the great 40 (4.55) and other measureables, White was the best thrower in the 2nd group of quarterbacks today. He displayed accuracy and arm strength building upon an excellent Senior Bowl week and Meineke Car Care Bowl. It is time for people to stop talking about his decision to not workout at wide receiver and start evaluating him as a quarterback. He is the 4th best quarterback in the draft and would be higher if he was taller (Michael Vick was also only 6'). Call him the a wildcat novelty if you want but he looks more and more like a quarterback every time I see him play.

Josh Freeman, Kansas State - NFLN did viewers a huge disfavor by not showing his workout but early word is he showed a tremendous arm and has ideal height. He could be working his way into the end of round 1.

Stephen McGee, Texas A&M - If you are looking for a sleeper QB, McGee might be your guy. He did not play much this year due to a shoulder injury but he is a great athlete (4.66 40) and had a nice day throwing the football today.

Curtis Painter, Purdue - Did a nice job throwing the ball during his workout and may have shown enough to get drafted after a sub-par senior season.

Losers:
Mark Sanchez, USC - Early word is Sanchez did a good job in the interviews but his decision to throw did not improve his stock. It was as if Sanchez was pressing during the throwing drills as he had too much mustard on his short throws and overthrew several passes including an out and post corner. The arm strength, footwork and motion were there but the accuracy was not. It was not a terrible performance but it was not the type of workout you expect from a guy who is trying to be the the overall #1 pick. Despite the struggles, Draft101 Chief Scout Dan Wernery still thinks Sanchez will get taken in the top 10 on draft day.

Nate Davis, Ball State - Like Freeman NFLN did viewers a disfavor by not showing his workout but the lack buzz afterward is not a good sign. On the plus side, the early word is he showed good arm strength during his workout.

http://nfldraft101.com/articles/177/2009_NFL_Scouting_Combine_Buzz_Day_Two.jsp

Hopefully someone will post some video.

orange
02-23-2009, 03:57 AM
Another:


LOSERS

• USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.
He didn’t lose much ground this week. But he couldn’t seize the opportunity to change a lot of minds about who the best quarterback in the draft may be. Stafford still wears that crown coming out of the combine, and unless he crashes next week at Georgia’s pro day (not likely), or simply has terrible ink board sessions with coaches (also not likely), he’ll still be the first quarterback off the board. If anything, Sanchez’s solid performance in passing drills Sunday underscores what most people suspected about this quarterback class anyway: it’s just plain weak.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-combinewinners022209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

CoMoChief
02-23-2009, 05:11 AM
Sanchez didn't impress me at all. Certainly didn't look like a #3 overall pick.

He wasn't terrible......just dont think hes worth #3 pick.

keg in kc
02-23-2009, 05:13 AM
I'd say it's like a presidential debate. People who didn't like Sanchez to start with will find negatives, people who did will find positives, and it won't make any difference in the end.

DaKCMan AP
02-23-2009, 06:09 AM
If anyone tells me Sam Bradford is better prospect than Eric Berry or Carlos Dunlap I get to beat them in the head with a pipe Ken Hamlin style.

Carlos Dunlap or Eric Berry next year. :drool:

Mecca
02-23-2009, 06:32 AM
Maybe it's just me but I was not impressed by Pat White all of the "arm strength" throws he made looked like he was throwing with every single thing he had in his body, I discussed it earlier.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 07:11 AM
Maybe it's just me but I was not impressed by Pat White all of the "arm strength" throws he made looked like he was throwing with every single thing he had in his body, I discussed it earlier.

It's just you.

Reerun_KC
02-23-2009, 08:55 AM
It's just you.

My question is, Do KC Chiefs fans know anything about QB's and drafting one?

20 years of embarrasement and we all act like we know how to build a franchise?


BTW, Sanchez is getting alot of LOVE from Todd McShay this AM, He just said on ESPN...

Tribal Warfare
02-23-2009, 08:56 AM
My question is, Do KC Chiefs fans know anything about QB's and drafting one?

20 years of embarrasement and we all act like we know how to build a franchise?


BTW, Sanchez is getting alot of LOVE from Todd McShay this AM, He just said on ESPN...

Pioli also said that he loves cerebral players, and that's a feather in the cap with Sanchez.

Reerun_KC
02-23-2009, 09:01 AM
Pioli also said that he loves cerebral players, and that's a feather in the cap with Sanchez.

TM was hinting on ESPN that after the pro days things could get very interesting between Stafford and Sanchez... Said alot of coaches are raving over Sanchez on his combine preformance...

Shag
02-23-2009, 09:19 AM
When is USC's pro day?

MIAdragon
02-23-2009, 09:39 AM
My question is, Do KC Chiefs fans know anything about QB's and drafting one?

20 years of embarrasement and we all act like we know how to build a franchise?


BTW, Sanchez is getting alot of LOVE from Todd McShay this AM, He just said on ESPN...

Careful that’s a double edged sword you’re wielding there

Reerun_KC
02-23-2009, 09:45 AM
Careful that’s a double edged sword you’re wielding there

Your right, it is... I just read up on these two... Then make an assesment on whom I would like to see in Chiefs Red and Gold...

But just like 99.9% of this board, I have zero clue what the NFL Coaches and GM's are saying or thinking about either...

But as a fan of this team since 1988, I have zero clue on what it takes to build a championship team or develop a QB. I can tell you exactly how to build a 9-7 team and how to give the fans Hope... But a Championship? Not a clue...

This place is going to meltdown, server shutdown, suicide options, when the draft actually takes place regardless of whom is drafted...

TRR
02-23-2009, 10:23 AM
It's pretty hard to judge a QB when he only throws the ball 15 times or so. And as we all know, anyone can look good when there isn't defenders in their face, and they are standing there weilding the football in tshirts and shorts.

Ebolapox
02-23-2009, 10:32 AM
Pat White seriously?

heh, his username is literally CFL. as in, canadian football league :p

Brock
02-23-2009, 04:26 PM
Sanchez sharp in NFL Combine passing drills
Posted: February 22, 2009
Russ Lande
Sporting News


INDIANAPOLIS -- Wide receivers gave teams an opportunity to evaluate their talents in Feb. 22's workouts at the NFL Scouting Combine. They weren't alone. Here's a look at how other players helped or hurt their value:

Quarterbacks


Southern Cal's Mark Sanchez helped himself in passing drills and tests. He showed a quick, compact delivery and release. He drove into his passes and the ball exploded out of his hand. His throws had good velocity and a tight, clean spiral. With Georgia's Matthew Stafford choosing not to throw, Sanchez proved their competition to be the draft's top quarterback is far from over. Teams were impressed that Sanchez decided to throw and did not look nervous or anxious.

West Virginia's Pat White was impressive as an athlete and showed that he has the quickness, burst and ability to contribute at running back or wide receiver. White was much better throwing the ball than people expected after an inconsistent week at the Senior Bowl.

Running backs

Virginia's Cedric Peerman showed quickness, acceleration and speed, which teams had questioned before the Combine. He ran the fastest 40 among the running backs, which is more impressive because he is well built and muscular with good all-around skills.

Wide receivers

Maryland's Darrius Heyward-Bey could benefit from Nicks' injury. He had a strong day and likely jumps into the late first-round slot Nicks filled. Heyward-Bey is tall and well built, but his eye-opener was his 40-yard dash time -- the fastest among wide receivers. Scouts times ranged from 4.28 to 4.33. He also excelled with a 38.5-inch vertical jump and a good broad jump. Heyward-Bey showed the quick burst of acceleration and elite playing speed he flashed in college. Teams now are more confident he will develop into a big-play receiver.

Mecca
02-23-2009, 04:46 PM
Bey was always getting drafted before Nicks so I don't really understand that.

Chiefnj2
02-23-2009, 05:24 PM
Russ Lande must have spent the morning sniffing glue.