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oldandslow
02-27-2009, 01:24 PM
details to follow

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:24 PM
God fuck.

Pretty much confirms the 3-4 rumors. Nothing like signing a broke dick has been.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:24 PM
What? as in WTF?

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:24 PM
God fuck.

Seconded

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 01:25 PM
Holy Christ.

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:25 PM
Pending physical!

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:25 PM
No way. I hope we paid peanuts.

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:25 PM
I never knew he was a FA

Rigodan
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
According to NFL network the Chiefs just traded for...




Mike Vrabel.

Haven't said what the Chiefs gave up yet.

DJ's left nut
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
IN PIOLI WE TRUST!!!

/Pioli-smokers

Gonzo
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
I never knew he was a FA

Stats & bio please?

88TG88
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
srsly ?

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
It is a trade with Pats no details yet.

Archie F. Swin
02-27-2009, 01:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Vrabel
must be true

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Congratulations, Chiefs players, you just got your new leader to show you how it's going to be done.

Rigodan
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
repost

ya seriously

Sam Hall
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Stats & bio please?

he's ancient

Frazod
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Haven't said what the Chiefs gave up yet.

Brian Waters and a box of kotex?

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Stats & bio please?

http://i508.photobucket.com/albums/s329/zetga_dheet/funny-shit.gif

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 01:27 PM
Stats & bio please?

He'll be 34 at the beginning of the season, and we just (presumably) gave up a draft pick for him.

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990

morphius
02-27-2009, 01:28 PM
I really didn't want to start trading with the Pats.

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:28 PM
Trade interesting news

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:28 PM
It is a trade with Pats no details yet.

Im sure matt cassel was a part of it right?

Gonzo
02-27-2009, 01:28 PM
He'll be 34 at the beginning of the season, and we just (presumably) gave up a draft pick for him.

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990

Yeah..That's who I thought it was.

WTF? He's better than Edwards?

I'd think Donnie would have a little more in the tank.

Rigodan
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Congratulations, Chiefs players, you just got your new leader to show you how it's going to be done.

just stop Pioli zombie

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
That's strike two.

Reaper16
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Vrabel's been around Pioli and the Pats for a long time. I'm sure he'll make a fine Defensive Coordinator for us.

Reerun_KC
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
Brian Waters and a box of kotex?

ROFL

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
I f****ing wish!

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
We swapped our 1st and 3rd picks

keg in kc
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
So much for drafting Curry!

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
http://i40.tinypic.com/2l883td.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/fnxzf6.jpg

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 01:29 PM
just stop Pioli zombie

Again, I'm not Pioli Zombie. Feel free to have your mods verify that.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:30 PM
PREDRAFT IMPLOSION!!

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:30 PM
Did he play bad last season or why would the Pats trade him?

RustShack
02-27-2009, 01:30 PM
We swapped our 1st and 3rd picks

:doh!:

doomy3
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
ROFL

rad
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Yeah right....

Pablo
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Did he play bad last season or why would the Pats trade him?Yeah..they sorta frown on LB's using a walker on the field.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
My respect for the abilities of Bill Belichick continues to grow.

I'm starting to think we got the Alvin Harper of the Patriots front office.

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Did he play bad last season or why would the Pats trade him?Because they get something in return for him and he's 34 years old. We got bent on this deal, unless it's a 6 rounder or lower.

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Strictly as a leadership, mentor kind of guy, I'm alright with this. I hope this doesn't count as addressing our need at LB.

Pablo
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
We swapped our 1st and 3rd picksLOL..you're kidding right?

NM...

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Lighten up, girls. We need a ton of linebackers

ct
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
As long as we didn't give up much, i'm good with this. Listen guys, we need somebody who knows the 3-4 in a really bad way!!

Chocolate Hog
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Where you seeing this at?

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Strictly as a leadership, mentor kind of guy, I'm alright with this. I hope this doesn't count as addressing our need at LB.

Lets hope.

Detoxing
02-27-2009, 01:32 PM
We swapped our 1st and 3rd picks

Fuck you

RustShack
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Hopefully Bill gave his friend Scott a major discount to help get him going.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
If true, sounds like he'll just be a transition player and someone to bring leadership to a D lacking some, and definitely points to the move to a 3-4:

The Patriots, in their second offseason under Belichick and Pioli in 2001, signed a little-known linebacker named Mike Vrabel. A four-year reserve with the Steelers, Vrabel turned out to be a perfect fit for New Englandís 3-4 defense.

Vrabel has been an eight-year starter for the Patriots and a pillar of their defense, helping them to three Super Bowl championships.

blueballs
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Crennel will sign on now

rad
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140282&id=1115

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Next up - Keenan McCardell

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Where you seeing this at?

NFL Network

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Lighten up, girls. We need a ton of linebackers

You don't trade draft picks for a 34 year old, when you had one on the roster with comparable skills and let him walk.

Molitoth
02-27-2009, 01:33 PM
We swapped our 1st and 3rd picks

no f'ing WAY! thats 20 spots!

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
(http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/page/2/)

Adam Schefter (http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/)
Chiefs, Patriots nearing trade for Vrabel (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/27/chiefs-patriots-nearing-trade-for-vrabel/)

Posted: February 27th, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Kansas City Chiefs (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/kansas-city-chiefs/), Mike Vrabel (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/mike-vrabel/), New England Patriots (http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/new-england-patriots/)
New Englandís Pro Bowl linebacker Mike Vrabel is in Kansas City undergoing a physical so that he can then be traded to the Chiefs. General Manager Scott Pioli is reaching out to bring in a player familiar with his system, and New England is a willing trade partner.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
details to follow

LOL, if this is a deal with the Pats, details may follow in about a week... :p

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Sounds like Glenn Cadrez all over again.

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Yay we added more suckage to our epic suck!!

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
Why would you give up a draft pick for a guy who was going to get cut?

That's stupid.

Why would you give up a draft pick for a guy who is 34 years old?

That's dumber.

ChiefRon
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
My respect for the abilities of Bill Belichick continues to grow.

I'm starting to think we got the Alvin Harper of the Patriots front office.

ROFL

RustShack
02-27-2009, 01:35 PM
Mike Vrabel-LB-ChiefsFeb. 27 - 2:24 pm etChiefs acquired Mike Vrabel from the Patriots for an undisclosed draft pick, pending a physical.
As friendly a trade as you'll see. Bill Belichick and buddy Chiefs GM Scott Pioli both know Vrabel's strengths and weaknesses, and his leadership is worth more to the young Chiefs. He'll help be a coach on the field as Kansas City installs their 3-4 defense. We suspect Vrabel will not be an every-down player, and will focus on rushing the passer. He was due for a lesser role in New England, who will go young at a thin OLB spot.
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Simply Red
02-27-2009, 01:35 PM
.

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
We are going to the 3-4 and Vrabel provides an instant culture change to that defense

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Next up - Keenan McCardell

ROFL

Molitoth
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
It's just the start of trading the entire chiefs squad for the entire Pats squad, which I'm fine with...



/dream off

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Depending on what we gave up I am good with this. It appears they are bringing him to be a leader in the locker room and the field.

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Damn, I'm still trying figure this lame ass move.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:36 PM
Mike Vrabel-LB-ChiefsFeb. 27 - 2:24 pm etChiefs acquired Mike Vrabel from the Patriots for an undisclosed draft pick, pending a physical.
As friendly a trade as you'll see. Bill Belichick and buddy Chiefs GM Scott Pioli both know Vrabel's strengths and weaknesses, and his leadership is worth more to the young Chiefs. He'll help be a coach on the field as Kansas City installs their 3-4 defense. We suspect Vrabel will not be an every-down player, and will focus on rushing the passer. He was due for a lesser role in New England, who will go young at a thin OLB spot.
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We took it right up the ass if we gave up anything higher than a sixth.

Chocolate Hog
02-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Ah we could used that late round pick to draft James Kilan!

Big Chief Homer
02-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Herm would never have done this :harumph:






:D

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Depending on what we gave up I am good with this. It appears they are bringing him to be a leader in the locker room and the field.

Thats great but doesnít temper the feeling that we just got fleeced.

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
ROFL

Brilliant fucking move here. A draft pick? Are you fist fucking me?

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
You all just miss Herm.

ChiefsCountry
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
I expected this type of player but not for a draft pick.

John_Wayne
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
It had better be for no more than a conditional 7th in the 2010 draft!!!!

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
We took it right up the ass if we gave up anything higher than a sixth.

If it is anything higher than a sixth then it is a bad deal

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Why would you give up a draft pick for a guy who was going to get cut?

That's stupid.

Why would you give up a draft pick for a guy who is 34 years old?

That's dumber.


The 1st and 3rd was a joke right? I don't think there are any details released yet.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:38 PM
The sonofabitch was going to get cut. Why the FUCK would you make this goddamned trade? We need every fucking draft pick we can get our hands on.

CoMoChief
02-27-2009, 01:39 PM
you gotta be shittin me. FUCK

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 01:39 PM
We took it right up the ass if we gave up anything higher than a sixth.

A 6th or 7th round pick has more of a chance of being a contributor when this team is actually competing for a championship in 3 years as a 34 year old has-been LB does.

Anything we gave up is too much.

ChiefRon
02-27-2009, 01:39 PM
If he had been cut and signed by us, that would be 1 thing, but cutting Edwards then giving up a draft pick for Vrabel?

Now I'm getting concerned.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
My guess is a conditional sixth or seventh this year or next year, or even a swap of picks (as always, I could be way off). Pioli probably feels it's more important to get some experience and leadership in here for the culture change that the Chiefs are about to go through rather than having the opportunity to draft the next Mike Merritt...

Warrior5
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
We took it right up the ass if we gave up anything higher than a sixth.

Exactly.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
A 6th or 7th round pick has more of a chance of being a contributor when this team is actually competing for a championship in 3 years as a 34 year old has-been LB does.

Anything we gave up is too much.

Good point. I stand corrected.

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
The sonofabitch was going to get cut. Why the **** would you make this goddamned trade? We need every ****ing draft pick we can get our hands on.

IC... you meant ANY draft pick. I'd probably be alright with a 7th or later. Not much more though.

Chocolate Hog
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
Edwards was done for the past 2 seasons atleast this guy could get on the field.

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:40 PM
If the price is not too high, I like this pick up. He is a high character guy that can come in and show this defense what it takes to win.

ChiefRon
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
Look for us to sign Mike Wright next.

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
Pioli would have know if he was going to be cut or not I would assume. With that being said I am sure the trade once it is announced will be fair.

Toadkiller
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
Take that Waters you fucker! Changing the culture of the locker room already.

Err wait..

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
The sonofabitch was going to get cut. Why the FUCK would you make this goddamned trade? We need every fucking draft pick we can get our hands on.

Was he? I went over to Patriots Planet and they are pissed because they are trading him and no mention of him going to be cut.

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:41 PM
I thought Vrabel recently got his contract extended through next season with the Pats. He was seriously going to get cut?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Not only this, but now we're definitely moving to a 3-4, which is basically a complete waste of Dorsey's talents.

Why is it so hard for a front office to evaluate talent rather than trying to put square pegs into a round hole.

I just don't understand this myopia.

Hydrae
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
General Manager Scott Pioli is reaching out to bring in a player familiar with his system, and New England is a willing trade partner.

Who's the coach???

Stanley Nickels
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

ChiefRon
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
How dare you guys question anything Pioli does...haven't you heard he's the best GM in football?

rad
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
They're not too happy on PP either

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:42 PM
The sonofabitch was going to get cut. Why the **** would you make this goddamned trade? We need every ****ing draft pick we can get our hands on.
Those haven't exactly gotten us a lot of wins the last two years.

It's not really about quantity, it's about quality. This is how the Pats operated in the past. If they saw a need, they were not shy to use picks to try to get it. My guess is that if we are starting to trade picks now, there is a high probability that we are trying to unload that No 3 picks to get more picks...

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
Last year of his contract it appears

Ari Chi3fs
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
WHISKEY. TANGO. FOXTROT.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
I thought Vrabel recently got his contract extended through next season with the Pats. He was seriously going to get cut?

Two years ago.

Demonpenz
02-27-2009, 01:43 PM
pioli has agreed to terms with korey stringer

Bill Lundberg
02-27-2009, 01:44 PM
The PATSIFICATION of the Chiefs begins!!!

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:45 PM
Those haven't exactly gotten us a lot of wins the last two years.

It's not really about quantity, it's about quality. This is how the Pats operated in the past. If they saw a need, they were not shy to use picks to try to get it. My guess is that if we are starting to trade picks now, there is a high probability that we are trying to unload that No 3 picks to get more picks...

Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:45 PM
They're not too happy on PP either

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

Wow. They're talking him up like he's a major force on defense, not an aging vet.

Basileus777
02-27-2009, 01:45 PM
There's no reason to complain about this unless we gave up a decent draft pick. Herm's way of only playing rookies isn't the way to build an NFL team.

doomy3
02-27-2009, 01:46 PM
http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

They're definitely not happy to lose him.

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:46 PM
Two years ago.

My bad... but it was through the 09 season. I just haven't found anything saying he was getting cut.

HemiEd
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
I really didn't want to start trading with the Pats.

This reminds of the KC Athletics, and the NY Yankees a little.

Maybe it was LJ that got traded.

Basileus777
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
Wow. They're talking him up like he's a major force on defense, not an aging vet.

They're competing for a Superbowl now, and it's not like they have a great pass rusher waiting in the wings to take over for him.

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

Shit he got almost as many sacks as the whole Chiefs team last year. You should be happy :)

Seriously though it appears this is a move to bring some veteran leadership to a team that doesn't have much especially on the D side of the ball.

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
A 6th or 7th round pick has more of a chance of being a contributor when this team is actually competing for a championship in 3 years as a 34 year old has-been LB does.

Anything we gave up is too much.Considering we are transitioning to a 3-4 and we have zilch for LBers, I can't entirely say it's a bad move. Surely, Pioli recognizes Vrabel is at the end of his career and is bringing someone in to help us install the system to help there be less of a learning curve. I'm warming up to the idea, depending on the compensation.

BigRock
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
They're not too happy on PP either

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

You know it's a good trade when nobody likes it.

Blindside58
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
I-M-P-L-O-S-I-O-N! Everyone calm the Hell down and have a drink..This is not that big of a friggin deal!!!!! We have $57,000,000.00 to spend!!!!! and he brings more to the table over the next few seasons than any rookie from the 3rd round on could.

RustShack
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
Up next, Romeo Crennel.

RINGLEADER
02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
They're not too happy on PP either

http://www.patriotsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=43585

They're pissed that he's gone. We're pissed he's here. Something's gotta give.

BigChief68
02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Chiefs | Close to acquiring Vrabel
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:42:09 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports New England Patriots LB Mike Vrabel is in Kansas City undergoing a physical so he can then be traded to the Kansas City Chiefs.

keg in kc
02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
One thread with people bitching about losing Waters because it's a loss of 'veteran leadership' and another thread bitching about making a trade for Vrabel.

I love the smell of chiefsplanet in spring.

BigChiefFan
02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
pioli has agreed to terms with korey stringer
Ouch.

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Its cute how some of you all get your periods at the same time

RustShack
02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
Did you miss all the other threads?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
My bad... but it was through the 09 season. I just haven't found anything saying he was getting cut.

A 34 year old linebacker on the decline with a hurt back and shoulder...no way he makes that team next year.

I'm just so fucking irate right now that I can't even fathom this shit.

I'd rather eat the dried shit out of Chewbacca's ass fur than trade a fucking draft pick for Mike Vrabel.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
WHEN THE FUCK DID THIS BREAK OMGOMGOMG

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
IC... you meant ANY draft pick. I'd probably be alright with a 7th or later. Not much more though.

I'm also cool if we gave up an 8th. :D

MIAdragon
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
Its cute how some of you all get your periods at the same time

Shit after 17 years were all well into menopause

rad
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

Alright alright relax....we don't even know the particulars yet so calm down dawg.........will Dorsey play end? Or be traded? Too many questions to flip out like this....

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:49 PM
Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

Perhaps, I mean perhaps these guys are idiots and we're in for another 20 years of Carl Peterson.

Right now I'm going to have to assume there is some greater purpose behind this move and the upcoming moves. I really doubt they're looking to bring in Vrabel to solve the team's defensive issues, but rather to be a role player and a guy who can flash some rings at a bunch of first to third year players on defense and hold them accountable if they're missing assignments.

The sad part is, 4 sacks is almost 50% of our team total last year...

chiefzilla1501
02-27-2009, 01:50 PM
Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

If there was ever a time to transition defenses, it's now. Even if that means some players might be miscast.

Dorsey won't be worth the #5 pick. But there's still a very good chance he becomes an effective DE in a 3-4.

kysirsoze
02-27-2009, 01:51 PM
One thread with people bitching about losing Waters because it's a loss of 'veteran leadership' and another thread bitching about making a trade for Vrabel.

I love the smell of chiefsplanet in spring.

ROFL This

Mizzou_8541
02-27-2009, 01:51 PM
Yeah, because a 34 year old broke dick who gave a team 64 tackles and 4 sacks as an edge rusher is worth a rat shit for a 2-14 team that needs to rebuild everything from the ground up.

Again, it's not only this, but we're wasting Dorsey.

So since it appears we are going to the 3-4, does that mean the Glenn Dorsey experiment has begun?

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 01:51 PM
Shit he got almost as many sacks as the whole Chiefs team last year. So did I.

alpha_omega
02-27-2009, 01:51 PM
On the surface, i don't like it. However, i suppose i will just trust in Pioli at this point.

rolstrol
02-27-2009, 01:52 PM
You don't trade draft picks for a 34 year old, when you had one on the roster with comparable skills and let him walk.

True.

But to be fair, Donnie Edwards never had a season where he posted 9.5 sacks let alone 12.5 just a season ago.

Something that was a big need for us last year.

But who knows maybe Pioli was sent here to destroy us because what we did to Brady.

BigChief68
02-27-2009, 01:52 PM
WHEN THE **** DID THIS BREAK OMGOMGOMG

Wow you guys are so cool!!!!

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:52 PM
One thread with people bitching about losing Waters because it's a loss of 'veteran leadership' and another thread bitching about making a trade for Vrabel.

I love the smell of chiefsplanet in spring.

It's a treat when gifts like these pop up unexpectedly, eh?


FTR, I think it's great we have a vet guy like Vrabel to mentor the kids and help ease us into the 3-4, but I think it's a joke we traded to get him. And as far as Waters goes, he just needs to shut his trap and get ready to play for a coach that isn't going to kiss his ass.

Chiefnj2
02-27-2009, 01:52 PM
If its a 7th rounder does anyone really care?

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
He'll be 34 at the beginning of the season, and we just (presumably) gave up a draft pick for him.

http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990
ROFL

THE DRAFTURBATORS!!!

IF HE AIN'T 25, HE AIN'T WORTH IT!

You guys are seriously uninformed.

You need veterans like Vrabel and Gonzalez and Waters etc... to be a good football team.

Sully
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
Not only this, but now we're definitely moving to a 3-4, which is basically a complete waste of Dorsey's talents.

Why is it so hard for a front office to evaluate talent rather than trying to put square pegs into a round hole.

I just don't understand this myopia.

If you believe in the system, then when do you make the change?
There is never a time going from one system to the other, that your roster isn't full of players that fit into the old system. But if you believe in the newer one (changing from a 4-man to a 3-man front) then you make the change. When is the most natural point of departure? I'd say when a new complete ovverhaul is tking place.

crazycoffey
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
But who knows maybe Pioli was sent here to destroy us because what we did to Brady.


I have to admit, this thought was just entering my mind....

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
Wow you guys are so cool!!!!

LMAO

It's all good. You've been merged with the cool kids.

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
The Chiefs need to uprade almost every spot on the team and you people are bitching about getting a player who's one injured year removed from being a first team All-Pro, and is a strong leader in the locker room.

Y'all have really been scarred by the previous administration.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
LMAO

Here are some replies to the story on the Boston globe:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/pats_close_to_t.html
1.

WHY IN GOD"S NAME WOULD THEY DO SUCH A THING!!!!! THIS IS TERRIBLE, TOTALLY UNEXPECTED AND DEPRESSING!!!! MIKE WHAT IS THE REASONING FOR THIS????
Posted by Joe February 27, 09 02:39 PM

2.

What? For what, draft picks I presume?
Posted by Mike K February 27, 09 02:40 PM

3.

I don't understand this one!
Posted by Shawn February 27, 09 02:40 PM

4.

WOW! Making room for Peppers?
Posted by UMA February 27, 09 02:42 PM

5.

WHAT???WHY???
Posted by CJ February 27, 09 02:42 PM

6.

What? Man I hope they are getting something great in return...one of my favorite Patriot players!
Posted by pp1033 February 27, 09 02:43 PM

7.

Great news. Let's get younger at LB.
Posted by gick February 27, 09 02:44 PM

8.

Love it, Vrable getting older, assuming that we get picks I love it.
Posted by Matt February 27, 09 02:44 PM

9.

what will this move save the patriots on the salary cap (assuming it is for draft pick(s) )?
Posted by Kevin Gray February 27, 09 02:45 PM

10.

huh???
Posted by JD February 27, 09 02:45 PM

11.

That's shocking. They must have been looking at a hold out.
Posted by Sonny_Corlione February 27, 09 02:47 PM

12.

WTF????? Why?????
Posted by MissingVrabelAlready February 27, 09 02:47 PM

13.

SAY W-H-A-T?????
Posted by Bruce February 27, 09 02:47 PM

14.

Type your comment here...
Posted by Ryan February 27, 09 02:48 PM

15.

WTF??
Posted by maze4muz February 27, 09 02:48 PM

16.

WTF?
Posted by Tiko Taco February 27, 09 02:49 PM

17.

What the heck??????????????????????
Posted by Devan February 27, 09 02:49 PM

18.

WTF?!?!?!?!?!

Wow, this is crazy. I'm interested to see what the terms of the deal are. Holy crap, I don't know what to think.

Wow.
Posted by Billy February 27, 09 02:49 PM

19.

?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Granite February 27, 09 02:49 PM

20.

?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Granite February 27, 09 02:49 PM

21.

I hate this idea.

HC_Chief
02-27-2009, 01:53 PM
One thread with people bitching about losing Waters because it's a loss of 'veteran leadership' and another thread bitching about making a trade for Vrabel.

I love the smell of chiefsplanet in spring.

No doubt.

We traded for an on-field coach, for leadership, for someone to set the example. Lord knows our D needs it.

We need the same on O.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:54 PM
That's strike two.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

He had 13 sacks two friggin' years ago!

You need veterans to be a good team...not everyone can be 25...

You guys are way too extreme.

Friggin' drafturbators...

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:54 PM
So did I.

I thought you lost sacks not gained them :D

Sorry UP I couldn't resist

keg in kc
02-27-2009, 01:54 PM
FTR, I think it's great we have a vet guy like Vrabel to mentor the kids and help ease us into the 3-4, but I think it's a joke we traded to get him.Depends on what we traded.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
ROFL

THE DRAFTURBATORS!!!

IF HE AIN'T 25, HE AIN'T WORTH IT!

You guys are seriously uninformed.

You need veterans like Vrabel and Gonzalez and Waters etc... to be a good football team.

Apparently you need veterans for guys like Gonzalez to be interested on being on your football team as well. :)

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
My respect for the abilities of Bill Belichick continues to grow.

I'm starting to think we got the Alvin Harper of the Patriots front office.

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

The hate for Carl is going to be NOTHING compared to Pioli if we don't win 15 games a year and a Super Bowl REALLY soon.

doomy3
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
This is an anti-Herm move

Chocolate Hog
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
Patriot Fans are probably much more smarter then the majority of Chiefsplanet fans. So this is a good trade.

blueballs
02-27-2009, 01:55 PM
I liked the one
afraid it was for Thigpen
ROFL

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 01:56 PM
No doubt.

We traded for an on-field coach, for leadership, for someone to set the example. Lord knows our D needs it.

We need the same on O.

Yep with the stipulation that we didn't give up very much to get him.

KC kid
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
We will see what we traded, but I like it right now. He is an instant upgrade and is a gives us great leadership going forward. Hamas just want to say broke dick 4 times in one thread.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
You don't trade draft picks for a 34 year old, when you had one on the roster with comparable skills and let him walk.
Yeah, instead you draft Kevin Robinson and Mike Merritt...and every once in a while trip into a Brandon Carr.

I assume we gave up nothing more than a 5th round pick.

I'll take the leadership and two years of service for a young team with promise rather than another Kevin Robinson.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
Depends on what we traded.

Like OTW said - anything we traded to get a 34 year old declining vet is too much. Maybe Vrabel's play this year will make Pioli look like an actual genious (cps).

Sully
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
We also get that goalline TE to replace what we lost with Jared Allen!!!

ROFL

Rooster
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
I just love watching armchair GM's implode anytime a move is made.

Reaper16
02-27-2009, 01:57 PM
ROFLROFLROFLROFL

The hate for Carl is going to be NOTHING compared to Pioli if we don't win 15 games a year and a Super Bowl REALLY soon.
You are so dumb still.

Chiefnj2
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
Somewhere Mike Vrabel is kicking the everlasting crap out of his dog right now while yelling at his agent: "I got one more year left in this body and they are sending me to the g-damn Chiefs???"

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
If its a 7th rounder does anyone really care?

Of course.

Where else will we get a QB?

ChiefsCountry
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
We also get that goalline TE to replace what we lost with Jared Allen!!!

ROFL

I just about to mention that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
If you believe in the system, then when do you make the change?
There is never a time going from one system to the other, that your roster isn't full of players that fit into the old system. But if you believe in the newer one (changing from a 4-man to a 3-man front) then you make the change. When is the most natural point of departure? I'd say when a new complete ovverhaul is tking place.

Believing in the system is exactly the problem.

Systems don't win games. Players do.

If I go to a team with man cover corners, 260 lb. rush backers, 290 lb. ends, and a 330 lb. DT, sure as shit is brown, I'm not going to switch to a cover 2.

Mike Tomlin is a Cover 2 guy, do you see him switching? Hell no. He took the talent he had in place and won with it.

Herm is a Cover 2 guy, and what did he do? He gutted a really good 3-4 to install his system, and the defense got worse because of it. Then he gutted an average attacking 4-3, and the defense is now the worst in the league.

People who are hopelessly dependent upon systems aren't visionaries at all. They're tools.

I'm not putting Joe Montana in the 1970's Raiders offense, and I'm not having Randy Moss run 8 yard digs from the slot.

Fuck...just...fuck.

The Bad Guy
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

thumper118
02-27-2009, 01:58 PM
There is no way this move will hurt the Chiefs. Vrabel is a high motor football player that knows how to win. None of our current LB's can say that!

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:59 PM
Ah we could used that late round pick to draft James Kilan!

Exactly.

The drafturbators are way too extreme.

Yes, the draft is important.

No, you can't win with all 25 year olds.

First day picks are off limits...

Second day picks are what, way more miss than hit.

We need veterans to teach the young guys how to play in the NFL. The drafturbators like OTWP, Mecca and Hamas (for as smart as they are) don't seem to get that I guess.

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 01:59 PM
If it's a 7th or a 2010 6th or something like that, whatever. If it's anything else, it's almost as dumb as the Joe Germaine trade.

Flushing Dorsey down the toilet is what really bothers me.

I thought you lost sacks not gained them :D

Sorry UP I couldn't resistWell played. I guess it takes a sense of humor rather than unbridled rage in order to make something even resembling a funny about me. Take note, angerbots.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 01:59 PM
You are so dumb still.

Hamas already has TWO strikes on Pioli...

These guys are going to hate Pioli more than Carl if we don't win a Super Bowl in 5 years.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 02:00 PM
This is an anti-Herm move
It's really funny, I think that Herm actually Hermified a lot of the fans, and we've come to the conclusion that if a guy is over 30, he's worthless.

I found this comment in the Vrabel thread on Pats Planet to be striking in the difference of mentality between the fan bases right now:

Originally Posted by Ray Crittenden View Post
Vrabel is on the decline. The defense needs to get younger. If they are clearing a roster spot/cap room for another move, which is the only reason they would do this, then its a great trade.

Well shit, why don't we just get Jr. High players, they are young?

We need football players, not youth.

The Bad Guy
02-27-2009, 02:00 PM
One thread with people bitching about losing Waters because it's a loss of 'veteran leadership' and another thread bitching about making a trade for Vrabel.

I love the smell of chiefsplanet in spring.

It's borderline retarded anymore.

It's the same people leading both charges too, ironically.

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 02:00 PM
So did I.

ROFL

speak24
02-27-2009, 02:00 PM
:nosmilie:

ChiefButthurt
02-27-2009, 02:01 PM
I hate to tell you guys, Pioli spends more on lunch money in a week than we make in two months, not collectively of course. There's a reason for that, he's the MAN and you're not. Vrabel has talent and he'll help this team.

dirk digler
02-27-2009, 02:01 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

Exactly.

the Talking Can
02-27-2009, 02:01 PM
i abstain

Fish
02-27-2009, 02:02 PM
And there's another big question mark from the new guys in charge....

BradyFTW!
02-27-2009, 02:02 PM
Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:02 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

Ding ding ding.

|Zach|
02-27-2009, 02:03 PM
ROFL

THE DRAFTURBATORS!!!



ROFLROFL

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:03 PM
It's really funny, I think that Herm actually Hermified a lot of the fans, and we've come to the conclusion that if a guy is over 30, he's worthless.

I found this comment in the Vrabel thread on Pats Planet to be striking in the difference of mentality between the fan bases right now:

Yep, it is kind of funny. Most of the time, people just scream for something new on here, doesn't matter if it's right or not. Vermiel did it more this way, bringing in football players like Priest, Green, etc, and the screams were for youth. Youth is great if they can actually play. But a low round pick for a guy who can make a difference for a couple years and be a mentor could be worth that pick for sure.

keg in kc
02-27-2009, 02:03 PM
Like OTW said - anything we traded to get a 34 year old declining vet is too much. Maybe Vrabel's play this year will make Pioli look like an actual genious (cps).Conditional 7th round picks are made for shit like this. I mean, sure, we might miss out on Mike Merritt or Jeremy Parquet or Kevin Sampson or Montique Sharpe or Willie Pile or Maurice Rodriguez or Shaunard Harts or Desmond Kitchings or Eric King or Ernest Blackwell or Nathan Parks, guys who form the foundation of a franchise.

big nasty kcnut
02-27-2009, 02:03 PM
It's not bad. We do need leadership.
Posted via Mobile Device

Christofire
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
(must ... not ... pour ... gas ... on ... the ... fire ...

Oh, what the hell.)

Somewhere, Gunther Cunningham is smiling to himself. "See, I TOLD them you needed veteran leadership to have a strong D."

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounderhttp://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpg

soundmind
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Depends on what we traded.

"Undisclosed draft pick" per ESPN.

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.


Thanks for the feedback

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 02:05 PM
Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll admit I have no idea what his trade value is, but it may wind up being one of those conditional deals where if he plays certain snaps or whatnot, it will rise to a certain level. Interested in seeing how this shakes down. And I think this is just the first of many moves we're going to start seeing in the next few days...

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:05 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpg

ROFLROFLROFL

WTF?

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 02:05 PM
ROFL

THE DRAFTURBATORS!!!

IF HE AIN'T 25, HE AIN'T WORTH IT!

You guys are seriously uninformed.

You need veterans like Vrabel and Gonzalez and Waters etc... to be a good football team.

I'd have no problem had they signed him as a FA.

Trading a draft pick, ANY draft pick for him is foolish.

Bowser
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpg

LMAO

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
This place is really going to go nuts when we trade for Cassel.

kcfanXIII
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
if we traded a 6th, where will we find our qb?

Sully
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
Believing in the system is exactly the problem.

Systems don't win games. Players do.

In the grand scheme, this is right. But not entirely. Otherwise, you actually would still see teams running the single-wing (or the pistol...uggghhh).

You hire coaches based on whether they win. They win based on a system they are comfortable coaching, or at the very least, comfortable backing. Otherwise, you'd see tons of coaches overhauling their entire playcalling every year. But we know what each coach is going to do. Martz is going to throw every down. Coughlin is going to run Marty's offense. Parcells would run a 3-4. Schwarts doesn't blitz ever, Johnson does nothing but blitz. Those are coach-specific traits. They do what they do, and find the players to fit what they want. Tomlin stayed with the old D in Pittsburgh, but that was a team coming off the Super Bowl. This is a team coming off a 2-win season.

Switching to the 3-4 may completely waste the Dorsey pick. That sucks...I love the guy.
However, I'm (as a complete armchair GM) in no way ready to say this team should be built around him. The rest of the guys? I don't give a damn if they are part of the team in 3 years.


BTW...

This is not an argument for or against the Vrabel move. Just for the switch to 3-4 now.

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
Conditional 7th round picks are made for shit like this. I mean, sure, we might miss out on Mike Merritt or Jeremy Parquet or Kevin Sampson or Montique Sharpe or Willie Pile or Maurice Rodriguez or Shaunard Harts or Desmond Kitchings or Eric King or Ernest Blackwell or Nathan Parks, guys who form the foundation of a franchise.

True.

Just a way of not competing with other teams when a player is cut. I'd rather give an 8th, though.

RUSH
02-27-2009, 02:06 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpg

LOL! Hilarious

|Zach|
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
I'd have no problem had they signed him as a FA.

Trading a draft pick, ANY draft pick for him is foolish.

Well if you keep plugging away every min on Chiefs Planet maybe Pioli will start listening to you and your band of merry men.

The smartest guys in the history of message board armchair draft gods.

SNR
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpgLMAO Was just going to post that. I may have stolen it from you earlier

Chiefnj2
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.

If it is a 3rd or 4th rounder it will become apparent really quickly as to who was the male and who was the female in the Belichick/Pioli relationship.

RippedmyFlesh
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
You don't trade draft picks for a 34 year old, when you had one on the roster with comparable skills and let him walk.
Comparable skills?
Donnie didnt do shit except collect checks.
Vrabel had 2 sacks against kc last year.
Edwards was one of the worst signings we did. He was washed up which is why SD let him walk.

Barret
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
Well could this be a precursor to who we are drafting. All of you are saying he provides leadership value. Also wasn't either Pioli or Haley quoted as saying they need to work on defense.

I don't advocate this but does this mean we go with Aaron Curry the OLB from Wake?

sedated
02-27-2009, 02:07 PM
the Patriots have never had success picking up a thought-to-be-washed-up veteran

blueballs
02-27-2009, 02:08 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/6hn98o.jpg

HA

rolstrol
02-27-2009, 02:08 PM
I'd have no problem had they signed him as a FA.

Trading a draft pick, ANY draft pick for him is foolish.

whats the pick??

if its a 5th, 6th or 7th is it that big of a deal?

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 02:08 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

This. I'll also throw in another reason I don't mind this move: accountability. You bring in a guy who has had that much success and install him on the defense, you young uns better be prepared to not **** up, because 99% of the time, he won't be missing his assignment...

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:08 PM
I'd have no problem had they signed him as a FA.

Trading a draft pick, ANY draft pick for him is foolish.
Well get used to it. The Patriots use their draft picks to make their team better...whether it be drafting a player, trading the pick for a player, or trading the pick for more picks (or better picks) down the road...

I'll take Vrabel and his leadership and ability to teach the young guys how to be professionals for two years over a coin flip between Kevin Robinson/Mike Merritt/Barry Richardson OR IF WE GET LUCKY Brandon Carr.

There is what, a 0.005% chance of landing a Tom Brady late in the draft?

StcChief
02-27-2009, 02:09 PM
Pioli is running the team now. Cautiously optimistic... if the pick isn't too high.

If he can run the LBers I'll be happy with a turn around.

DeezNutz
02-27-2009, 02:09 PM
If it is a 3rd or 4th rounder it will become apparent really quickly as to who was the male and who was the female in the Belichick/Pioli relationship.

And it would be advisable for this board to be temporarily shut down.

blueballs
02-27-2009, 02:10 PM
the comedy on this thread alone
is worth a high 7th

ceebz
02-27-2009, 02:10 PM
I'm guessing it will be a conditional pick. This sucks for Dorsey, though. I don't really see him working out as a 3-4 end. Maybe he'll get traded before the draft?

Fish
02-27-2009, 02:10 PM
Maybe he'll fail his physical...... :shrug:

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 02:10 PM
This. I'll also throw in another reason I don't mind this move: accountability. You bring in a guy who has had that much success and install him on the defense, you young uns better be prepared to not **** up, because 99% of the time, he won't be missing his assignment...

The Patriots grade their players at the end of the season. There was one season that Vrabel didn't miss a single assignment. He was also one of the 2-3 main leaders in the locker room.

DaWolf
02-27-2009, 02:11 PM
Done deal, still no details...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3940213
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Archive

The Kansas City Chiefs were the youngest teams in football last year but new general manager Scott Pioli wanted to install some veteran leadership.

Pioli accomplished that task by trading an undisclosed draft choice to the Patriots for 33-year-old linebacker Mike Vrabel.

Vrabel is one of the leaders of the Patriots defense, and it will be his job to teach a good work ethic to the Chiefs.

In trading Vrabel, the Patriots cleared $3.35 million in cap room.

John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 02:11 PM
whats the pick??

if its a 5th, 6th or 7th is it that big of a deal?

We're not talking about Carl Peterson anymore.

We're talking about a guy who has shown he can hit on late round picks, so yeah, it is that big of a deal.

A 6th/7th round pick at least has a CHANCE of being a contributor when this team is competing for a Championship in 3-4 years.

There is NO CHANCE that Vrabel is still on this team when that day comes.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:11 PM
Well if you keep plugging away every min on Chiefs Planet maybe Pioli will start listening to you and your band of merry men.

The smartest guys in the history of message board armchair draft gods.

I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

BradyFTW!
02-27-2009, 02:11 PM
If it is a 3rd or 4th rounder it will become apparent really quickly as to who was the male and who was the female in the Belichick/Pioli relationship.

Yeah, true, this is admittedly wishful thinking on my part. Vrabel's still got enough left in the tank, though, that I wouldn't be psyched if it was a fifth or later.

Fish
02-27-2009, 02:11 PM
The Patriots grade their players at the end of the season. There was one season that Vrabel didn't miss a single assignment. He was also one of the 2-3 main leaders in the locker room.

That was awesome when he did that... 6 years ago...

beach tribe
02-27-2009, 02:12 PM
Why don't you people freak out or something. BFD. We probably lost a 7th rounder. Too bad we're gonna miss out on this year's Micheal Merrit for an on-field coach who can show these idiots what the fuck to do, because they OBVIOUSLY have no idea.

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 02:12 PM
That was awesome when he did that... 6 years ago...

When he did it isn't important unless you're going to claim that he's got Alzheimers.

CaliforniaChief
02-27-2009, 02:13 PM
I don't have a problem with the move. We need leadership on defense in a bad way, and Pioli probably wants a few cops in the locker room. Further, I think we'll be acquiring one or two draft picks for existing players on our roster.

Heck, if Vrabel is worth a draft pick and Ryan Sims was worth a 6th round pick, LJ has to be worth something. Waters would probably fetch a 2nd or 3rd, although I'm not convinced that won't be worked out.

|Zach|
02-27-2009, 02:13 PM
I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

ChiefsCountry kind of became a part of the life and death group as well. Pretty funny.

Watching these guys post day after day is great.

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 02:13 PM
We need to hire Paul DePodesta or something.

beach tribe
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

You may be right. These guys are well known for bringing in these kinds of guys......and winning with them.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
Well get used to it. The Patriots use their draft picks to make their team better...whether it be drafting a player, trading the pick for a player, or trading the pick for more picks (or better picks) down the road...

I'll take Vrabel and his leadership and ability to teach the young guys how to be professionals for two years over a coin flip between Kevin Robinson/Mike Merritt/Barry Richardson OR IF WE GET LUCKY Brandon Carr.

There is what, a 0.005% chance of landing a Tom Brady late in the draft?

And we could have just as easily signed his broke down ass after he was jettisoned.

I don't care if there is only a 5% chance of landing a good player in round 7. 5% is > 0.

You think it's a coincidence that teams like the Colts and Chargers are able to consistently find talent at the ass end of the draft? Players are there, but if you don't have picks, you can't find them, no matter how good your scouting is.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
We're not talking about Carl Peterson anymore.

We're talking about a guy who has shown he can hit on late round picks, so yeah, it is that big of a deal.

A 6th/7th round pick at least has a CHANCE of being a contributor when this team is competing for a Championship in 3-4 years.

There is NO CHANCE that Vrabel is still on this team when that day comes.

Yeah, but he can teach all those fucking young guys on the defense how to be PROFESSIONALS...do you not realize the importance of this?

So they can learn from a leader like Vrabel and his work ethic so in 3-4 years when he's GONE they can pass down what they learned to the younger guys that are brought in at that time.

Do you really not understand this concept?

YOU NEED VETERANS...EVEN A TEAM THAT IS REBUILDING...YOU NEED GUYS THAT HELP THE YOUNG KIDS KEEP FOCUS.

JFC

/DaneMcCloud

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

That's not at all what's been said, you fucking idiot. I guess you missed your Ritalin dose. Pay attention.

Read the above post. Carl Peterson isn't drafting here anymore, and the guy that is has a record that would lead you to believe that he can and does hit on late round picks - so yeah, giving up a pick for a 34 year old LB that won't be around in 2 years is foolish, IMO.

ChiefsCountry
02-27-2009, 02:14 PM
I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

You are a fucking moron

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:15 PM
When he did it isn't important unless you're going to claim that he's got Alzheimers.

ROFL

blueballs
02-27-2009, 02:15 PM
Waters proved a ex-Pat for leadership was needed
good job/timing Whitlock

Fish
02-27-2009, 02:15 PM
When he did it isn't important unless you're going to claim that he's got Alzheimers.

Uhhh... Yeah.... I mean every linebacker in the NFL plays at the same level for 11 years straight right? :rolleyes:

Did you watch him play at all last year?

He will be missed, but frankly we're surprised the Patriots got a pick for Vrabel after a very rough season.

KCtotheSB
02-27-2009, 02:15 PM
I understand the preservation of draft picks, but if we give up a 7th for a player who can help our young guys grow, provide leadership AND most importantly, stay on the damn field, then I say it's not a bad move.

Some of you are overreacting to this. If we gave up higher than a 6th, then yeah, be pissed. If we gave up a 7th, then give it a rest.

Sully
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
I consider Hamas/Mecca/and OTWP the chairmen of the DRAFTURBATORS...and they have a whole army of followers.

They'd rather have Kevin Robinson over Mike Vrabel...or Brian Johnston.

They want a roster full of 25 year old's with off-the-chart measurables...

These guys are going to HATE Pioli...the Patriots do things their way...these DRAFTURBATORS aren't going to like it...the ones that wanted Carl gone the most are going to be the ones that end up missing him more than anyone.

I like the guys. They put in more work and are more passionate about the stuff than anyone.
Their personalitiesa re also such that if you disagree, they are going to go off. I could do without that, but I know they are all real fans, in that they care that much to get pissed about giving up a late-round pick for a proven (though older) guy.

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
That's not at all what's been said, you fucking idiot. I guess you missed your Ritalin dose. Pay attention.

Read the above post. Carl Peterson isn't drafting here anymore, and the guy that is has a record that would lead you to believe that he can and does hit on late round picks - so yeah, giving up a pick for a 34 year old LB that won't be around in 2 years is foolish, IMO.

Of course, that same guy has a record of bringing in solid veterans to provide leadership and help improve the team.

|Zach|
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
You are a ****ing moron

Go agree with a post Mecca makes until you and your friends turn into a pumpkin or whatever the hell happens to you guys when you don't fluff each other and remind everyone else how stupid they are.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
And we could have just as easily signed his broke down ass after he was jettisoned.

I don't care if there is only a 5% chance of landing a good player in round 7. 5% is > 0.

You think it's a coincidence that teams like the Colts and Chargers are able to consistently find talent at the ass end of the draft? Players are there, but if you don't have picks, you can't find them, no matter how good your scouting is.

The Chargers are more famous for finding guys that go undrafted...

RippedmyFlesh
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Why don't you people freak out or something. BFD. We probably lost a 7th rounder. Too bad we're gonna miss out on this year's Micheal Merrit for an on-field coach who can show these idiots what the **** to do, because they OBVIOUSLY have no idea.
Exactly!!!
No more fucking Logan's run attitude at arrowhead.
Vrabel can help DJ become a better player. Already we have a better "linebacker coach" and we will get plays from him on the field.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
Yeah, but he can teach all those fucking young guys on the defense how to be PROFESSIONALS...do you not realize the importance of this?

So they can learn from a leader like Vrabel and his work ethic so in 3-4 years when he's GONE they can pass down what they learned to the younger guys that are brought in at that time.

Do you really not understand this concept?

YOU NEED VETERANS...EVEN A TEAM THAT IS REBUILDING...YOU NEED GUYS THAT HELP THE YOUNG KIDS KEEP FOCUS.

JFC

/DaneMcCloud

Yeah, look at how much Donnie Edwards taught our young guys.

Why trade something of value for something you can get for free?

DaFace
02-27-2009, 02:16 PM
I'm OK with it as long as we didn't give up anything TOO crazy.

beach tribe
02-27-2009, 02:17 PM
It's either one extreme or the other on the planet. A bunch of Bi-polar over-reactors.

doomy3
02-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Uhhh... Yeah.... I mean every linebacker in the NFL plays at the same level for 11 years straight right? :rolleyes:

Did you watch him play at all last year?

Him not screwing up assignments has to do with the mental part, not the physical part.

speak24
02-27-2009, 02:17 PM
It is only the 1st day of FA, too soon to judge

Chocolate Hog
02-27-2009, 02:18 PM
Go agree with a post Mecca makes until you and your friends turn into a pumpkin or whatever the hell happens to you guys when you don't fluff each other and remind everyone else how stupid they are.

Those guys are teflon idiots it's funny watching the Dratubators circle jerk. One of them even said USC has no talent.

Short Leash Hootie
02-27-2009, 02:18 PM
That's not at all what's been said, you ****ing idiot. I guess you missed your Ritalin dose. Pay attention.

Read the above post. Carl Peterson isn't drafting here anymore, and the guy that is has a record that would lead you to believe that he can and does hit on late round picks - so yeah, giving up a pick for a 34 year old LB that won't be around in 2 years is foolish, IMO.
The Patriots USE the draft to improve their team...and a lot of it occurs by not using the draft picks to draft players...

You guys are such hypocrites. Shit, Hamas already has two fucking strikes on Pioli...how the hell does he have two strikes on a guy that has been in control for a little over a month?

JFC JFC JFC

Just Passin' By
02-27-2009, 02:18 PM
Uhhh... Yeah.... I mean every linebacker in the NFL plays at the same level for 11 years straight right? :rolleyes:

Did you watch him play at all last year?

Do you understand the difference between not making a tackle and reading the play wrong so you were never in the proper position in the first place?

And, yes, I watched him play quite a bit last season. I believe it was 16 games of watching, as a matter of fact.

|Zach|
02-27-2009, 02:18 PM
It's either one extreme or the other on the planet. A bunch of Bi-polar over-reactors.

(Insert one word phrase of agreement)

Ultra Peanut
02-27-2009, 02:18 PM
And we could have just as easily signed his broke down ass after he was jettisoned.

I don't care if there is only a 5% chance of landing a good player in round 7. 5% is > 0.

You think it's a coincidence that teams like the Colts and Chargers are able to consistently find talent at the ass end of the draft? Players are there, but if you don't have picks, you can't find them, no matter how good your scouting is.choom down dawgg

CupidStunt
02-27-2009, 02:19 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

Yep. It's amazing how obvious it is that these tools have never stuck their hand in the dirt and played football, at any level.

OnTheWarpath58
02-27-2009, 02:19 PM
Of course, that same guy has a record of bringing in solid veterans to provide leadership and help improve the team.

That's a great strategy for a team that has had as few holes as the Patriots have had.

Rebuilding teams should be hanging on to every pick they can get, not giving them up for guys in the twilight of their career.

Fruit Ninja
02-27-2009, 02:19 PM
I am fine with it. He's more or less going to be a teacher that plays some.

htismaqe
02-27-2009, 02:19 PM
This move is great for one thing alone:

Leadership.

Some of you want to field a team with 25 year olds everywhere who never won shit.

Vrabel is going to be a good mentor to this defense to teach them how to WIN.

No doubt.

We traded for an on-field coach, for leadership, for someone to set the example. Lord knows our D needs it.

We need the same on O.

These.