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chiefforlife
02-28-2009, 11:52 AM
Chiefs just got Cassel, ON NFLN!

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/02/28/chiefs_acquire_qb_matt_cassel_lb_mike_vrabel_in_trade_with_patriots/

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Saturday that the club has acquired QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel from New England in exchange for the Chiefs second-round pick (34th overall) in the 2009 NFL Draft. The agreement is contingent on both players reporting and passing their physicals.

“I have a long history with both players,” said Kansas City Chiefs General Manager Scott Pioli. “Mike and Matt are men that I respect both personally and professionally. I look forward to having them as new members of the Chiefs family.”

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 11:52 AM
According to the ticker on NFL network

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 11:52 AM
you're shitting me

88TG88
02-28-2009, 11:52 AM
jfc

DaFace
02-28-2009, 11:52 AM
:eek:

Baconeater
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Planet implosion in 3..2..1..

KCSupersized
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.nfl.com/

DaFace
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Details would be much appreciated.

chiefforlife
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Scrolling across the bottom right now. I would never make this up.

KcKing
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
Where's the popcorn??

bdeg
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
shit

blueballs
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
mass kill yourselves

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 11:53 AM
where is hamas for strike fucking 3?! Hahahaha...this is not going to make the Drafturbators very happy! I can't believe Pioli is ALREADY dealing with the Patriots...that dude has balls I guess.

Baconeater
02-28-2009, 11:54 AM
http://mountcope.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/nuclear_blast.jpg

88TG88
02-28-2009, 11:54 AM
NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6401634,00.jpg

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 11:54 AM
ROFL



Oh, man........

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 11:54 AM
how does Adam Schefter know every fucking thing lately? JFC!

Reaper16
02-28-2009, 11:54 AM
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Kanesville
02-28-2009, 11:55 AM
Ugh

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 11:55 AM
THE DEAL IS DONE
wow

RUSH
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
fuck this team

Frazod
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Holy shit, this is real. :eek:

KcFanNindy
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Chiefs just got Cassel, ON NFLN!


Cassel traded to Chiefs
The New England Patriots have traded QB Matt Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs, reports Adam Schefter.


its true! this sucks....was hoping to watch thigpen do good this year!

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
2nd rounder

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Just listening to Schfter...doesn't think its for the 3rd...thinks its for 2nd, and maybe a pick next year depending on performance

HC_Chief
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
Schefter is the man. Cassell = Chief.

I like it :D

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
All this says to me is that Pioli didn't want anything to do with Sanchez/Stafford...

And I say who gives a shit...he knows more about Cassel than anyone.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Scheftler speculates
2nd rounder + lower pick

PRIEST
02-28-2009, 11:57 AM
good they are saying we gave a high 2 not the 1:clap:st

milkman
02-28-2009, 11:57 AM
This was a part of the reason I wasn't thrilled with hiring Scott Pioli like most here.

Fuck you Scott Pioli.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 11:57 AM
I feel like someone just ripped my guts out.

milkman
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
good they are saying we gave a high 2 not the 1:clap:st

They are only guessing.

Frazod
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
I just heard a distant scream from the southwest.... must have been Mecca. LMAO

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
Cassel and keeping the 3rd overall is a fucking steal

blueballs
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
Pioli should now his skillset
well

rolstrol
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
Fuck

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 11:58 AM
Second round this year, conditional next year is being reported thus far.

Reaper16
02-28-2009, 11:59 AM
Scott should think about getting a Wes Welker type for Cassel to dump it off underneath to.

milkman
02-28-2009, 11:59 AM
Breaking News!


Mattvis GrCassel is a Chief!

88TG88
02-28-2009, 11:59 AM
Cassel and keeping the 3rd overall is a ****ing steal

hmmmmm

blueballs
02-28-2009, 11:59 AM
USC QB to KC
Mecca should be thrilled

KCSupersized
02-28-2009, 12:00 PM
I love this move!

bdeg
02-28-2009, 12:00 PM
could also be a swap of firsts which would suck.

HMc
02-28-2009, 12:00 PM
this could be a good deal if they keep the 3rd pick and spend it wisely

bishop_74
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
I just feel better about this than gambling on a draft pick...

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
The Chiefs get Cassel and Vrabel and still get to keep the # 3?

The Patriots get to clear out all the cap space abd get to pick #23 and #35?

An excellant deal for both clubs!!!!
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JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
not giving our 1st (if true) is just fucking great

Frazod
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
NFLN guys speculating that we may be sending one of our disgruntled veterans to NE.

Perhaps that could ease the pain a bit.

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
The Chiefs get Cassel and Vrabel and still get to keep the # 3?

The Patriots get to clear out all the cap space abd get to pick #23 and #35?

An excellant deal for both clubs!!!!
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maybe your best post yet

RedThat
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
Heck if we gave up only a 2nd rounder for a team that could use a QB, while keeping our 1st rounder that's not too shabby.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
Has Nick "Assclown" Athan verified this yet/methuselah

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
NFLN guys speculating that we may be sending one of our disgruntled veterans to NE.

Perhaps that could ease the pain a bit.

lj or waters and a 2 hell yeah

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
we are going to have plenty of picks... after trading the old guard (literally).

Spott
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
NFLN guys speculating that we may be sending one of our disgruntled veterans to NE.

Perhaps that could ease the pain a bit.


Well it's probably not LJ, dammit. :cuss:

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
I feel like someone just ripped my guts out.

Why. Chiefs still have the #3 and they got a solid qb.
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Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
NFLN guys speculating that we may be sending one of our disgruntled veterans to NE.

Perhaps that could ease the pain a bit.

Well, the Patriots just got Taylor, so it probably wouldn't be Johnson if it were the case.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:02 PM
Drafturbators are wishing the firing of Carl Peterson never occurred!

Shag
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
Not much of a Cassel fan, but if we kept the #3, that makes it a little less painful. Hopefully, he will prove to be better than many around here (myself included) feel he is...

I wonder if this means we'll be shopping the #3 around to try and get some picks back. Not sure if we'll get a buyer, but I can imagine the Pioli trying...

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
offensive tackle 3rd overall...

dannybcaitlyn
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
If its for a second . I like it. He's proven he can play in the NFL.

Reaper16
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
It just got a whole lot more difficult to envision this team winning a championship. I'd love, love, love for this to work out, for Pioli to prove me an idiot. But I have my sincere doubts about the prospect of me being an idiot.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
Cassel and Sanchez
FTW

KC kid
02-28-2009, 12:03 PM
I like it. Screw you all

Smed1065
02-28-2009, 12:04 PM
:popcorn:

Be careful of what you wish for!

Pioli is great except he does not agree with the experts here! ROFL

\Fire him

:evil:

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:04 PM
If it is a 2nd rounder, I can live with it.

dsgreene285
02-28-2009, 12:04 PM
I like this move. I keep thinking back to the pass Cassel threw to Randy Moss backed up against his goal line after the Brady injury. I was cursing him then...different feeling today.

bdeg
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
NFLN guys speculating that we may be sending one of our disgruntled veterans to NE.

Perhaps that could ease the pain a bit.

Could be LJ and TG! I hope so.

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
This is a great trade for both teams.
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CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
i'm curious why some people are so against Cassel...especially if its for the 2nd rounder?

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
so that changes things in the draft for us now doesnt it

warrior
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Grbac part II

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
It just got a whole lot more difficult to envision this team winning a championship. I'd love, love, love for this to work out, for Pioli to prove me an idiot. But I have my sincere doubts about the prospect of me being an idiot.

you're an idiot.

Cosmos
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
But I have my sincere doubts about the prospect of me being an idiot.

Have faith.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Why. Chiefs still have the #3 and they got a solid qb.
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Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
The compensation is still just speculation.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:05 PM
If he's a fraud
how would Pioli not know it
unless it's a three way trade

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Why. Chiefs still have the #3 and they got a solid qb.
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Don't even bother, dude.

This move is strike 3 for Hamas and he'll forever resent Matt Cassel regardless of what he does in KC...

I'm 50/50 on the move and Matt Cassel...I've been on record on this site saying Tom Brady is overrated and that the Patriots would have been a 13 win team with Matt friggin' Cassel running that team when they were 18-1...it turned out they were an 11-5 team...but I truly thought their system was the main reason for their success...

Well guess what...we have that system now and now we're getting two players who know the system pretty well...

I'm willing to have faith in Pioli and his decisions...I'm not a drafturbator and I'm not an armchair GM...these guys were on cloud friggin' 9 when Pioli was hired and now some of them have already given the guy 3 strikes...it's absurd.

thebrad84
02-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Guess we will find out soon enough if Cassel is a 'product of the system.' He still has lots to prove in my opinion. Now, lets go out and get Monroe to have two studs blocking on the ends or get Crabtree so he has another weapon to throw the ball to. I wouldn't mind seeing us go after Houshmandzadeh and then getting Monroe with our 3rd.

milkman
02-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Drafturbators are wishing the firing of Carl Peterson never occurred!

No they are not.

They are wishing that we'd have hired someone like Eric DeCosta instead of Pioli.

Of course, I was wishing that before Pioli was hired.

Smed1065
02-28-2009, 12:06 PM
I just feel better about this than gambling on a draft pick...

/true Fan

:evil:

Frazod
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

I have no problem with trading down - hopefully we could get back the second round pick we traded to NE.

KChiefs1
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Mecca will be very happy.

Hydrae
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

My concern as well. I would have almost preferred to swap 1st round picks then to give up the 2nd.

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
I like this. He's 26 years old, many productive years left.

Best of all, he got a lot better as the year went on last year. By the end of the season he was playing great football.

I hope we didn't give up too much, but I think this is a great move.

bdeg
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

Everette Brown, what does this D need more than a pass rusher? He is elite.

HC_Chief
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

All whining aside, any of those three would be a good addition.

IMO Monroe is the best pick of the three; moving Albert to RT.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
i'm curious why some people are so against Cassel...especially if its for the 2nd rounder?

He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

bishop_74
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
/true Fan

:evil:

si

:D

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
No they are not.

They are wishing that we'd have hired someone like Eric DeCosta instead of Pioli.

Of course, I was wishing that before Pioli was hired.

sorry milkmna but i hope they prove you wrong, i watched a lot of film on cassell and i dont think he has as abd of an arm as people say

Pablo
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm gonna go tear my balls off..then eat them..shit them out of my ass..scoop them into a blender with the shit-water from the toilet and mail a ballsack/shit smoothie to Arrowhead 1.

KC kid
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
You had to know that this was coming in the opening press conference for Scott Piolo when he said and I paraphrase: There is only one Tom Brady and there is only one Matt Cassel

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
our qb situation is a joke... we had to add a vet, we just added a starter and I'm sure we are still going to draft a late round qb too...

We are adding building blocks..

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
I hope we gave up a second. We could move back to 10-15 and get value at a position we need and recoup the second.

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
This board hates Cassel and I've been one of his few defenders here, so naturally most people are going to hate this move. I don't really think Cassel is a franchise QB and I would probably have preffered to draft a QB at 3, but I think Cassel can be a good starting QB in this league and can live with it if it's only for a 2nd rounder.

HC_Chief
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

You need a "franchise quarterback" available in the draft. This year doesn't offer one.

Frosty
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
Grbac part II

More like Scott Mitchell, part II.

To be honest, there was a ton of value at need at that 2nd round pick - Barwin, Unger, English, Sintim.

Reaper16
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
Cassel and Sanchez
FTW
Hmmm. Actually, that would kind of be awesome in some ways.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
I have no problem with trading down - hopefully we could get back the second round pick we traded to NE.

Teams almost never trade up into the top 3. Especially in a draft that lacks elite level talent at the top.

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

he was in his first year starting. and honestly i could never find where clark ever said draft. but thats another story

doomy3
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
Awesome. If this is for the second, I like this a lot.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

This is why I almost preferred we swapped 3 for 23 and picked up an extra late round pick as well...

I mean, lets say we take Curry at #3 now...what's the god damn point? That throws the draft point value out the window...you can get a guy at #23 that can have as much of an impact as Curry at #3, and you won't have to pay a cover backer $25M+ guarnteed.

chiefzilla1501
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

If Raji is rated a top 5 calibre pick, that's a really easy choice. He's the only chance you have at a nose tackle--the most important position in a 3-4.

And again, let me reiterate that DT is the position that historically scores the lowest on the Wonderlic and that Raji struggled with academic ineligibility because he went to a tier 1, challenging school and because he had an academic advisor who didn't do his job.

Smed1065
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
It just got a whole lot more difficult to envision this team winning a championship. I'd love, love, love for this to work out, for Pioli to prove me an idiot. But I have my sincere doubts about the prospect of me being an idiot.

CP, is that you?

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
My concern as well. I would have almost preferred to swap 1st round picks then to give up the 2nd.


I think we draft Crabtree.

RedThat
02-28-2009, 12:09 PM
I like this move. You know why?

We've just improved the QB position #1.

Secondly, it creates competition in camp for our QB's.

There is now good depth at the QB position. Cassell comes from a winning team has started a full season and played well. AND, if we didn't give up our #3 overall pick, even better!!

BigMeatballDave
02-28-2009, 12:10 PM
Shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:10 PM
You need a "franchise quarterback" available in the draft. This year doesn't offer one.

Please tell me why Matt Stafford doesn't have more potential than <del>Scott Mitchell</del> Matt Cassel

Cosmos
02-28-2009, 12:10 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

Trade down is always a possibility.

I think you need to sit back and see what this team looks like after FA and the draft.

Pioli is just getting warmed up.

I don't get how anyone is so convinced that the QB that Detroit doesn't pick would be that much better that Cassel...

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:10 PM
You had to know that this was coming in the opening press conference for Scott Piolo when he said and I paraphrase: There is only one Tom Brady and there is only one Matt Cassel

what was telling IMO was when he smiled and said he had a qb in mind

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Please tell me why Matt Stafford doesn't have more potential than <del>Scott Mitchell</del> Matt Cassel

Stafford isn't going to be an option. As fucked up as Detroit is, I doubt they will pass on him.

ChiefGator
02-28-2009, 12:11 PM
If the compensation was a 2nd and possible late round pick next year, I think it is fair value. I would have jumped at giving them a third for him, but the #3 overall was too much. Probably just about right.

Unfortunately, he may get roasted on the fire here, since he is rather unexperienced, but he must have showed more promise to Pioli/Haley than any of Sanchez, Stafford, or Thigpen.

Could work out well for us, I'm willing to wait and see.

John_Wayne
02-28-2009, 12:11 PM
The Patzification of the Chiefs continues!

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:11 PM
If Raji is rated a top 5 calibre pick, that's a really easy choice. He's the only chance you have at a nose tackle--the most important position in a 3-4.

And again, let me reiterate that DT is the position that historically scores the lowest on the Wonderlic and that Raji struggled with academic ineligibility because he went to a tier 1, challenging school and because he had an academic advisor who didn't do his job.

Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling fucking retard.

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
WAIT EVERYBODY!



Has anybody asked Brian Waters to sign off on this deal? What if he doesn't like this move?

Tiger's Fan
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
If this is for the 2nd, I like it. Thigpen is a joke, I don't want dirty Sanchez, and Stafford will be gone by #3.

milkman
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
All whining aside, any of those three would be a good addition.

IMO Monroe is the best pick of the three; moving Albert to RT.

Yeak, let's draft a LT first this year, and another with our first next year, and another with our first the year after, and again the the following year.

We'll have the bestest O-Line Ever.


JFC
:grr:

HughC
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
I just feel better about this than gambling on a draft pick...

My exact thoughts. I'd rather take a guy who has proven he has adjusted to the speed of the NFL game than take a chance on a rookie QB, which history has shown to be about a 50-50 chance of being a bust. Best part is the team still has the #3 pick.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
what was telling IMO was when he smiled and said he had a qb in mind

But Hamas knows so much better. That's why he's been an NFL GM since he popped out of the womb.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
Well, we just got back to 8-8 next year, so everyone should be happy.

ntexaschiefsfan
02-28-2009, 12:12 PM
Maybe Orakpo at 3? He has the ahtleticism to play in the 3-4 and could be a Shawn Merrian type.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:13 PM
He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

He's a smart guy who got better as the year progressed.

Hey, I'm not saying he is going to pan out. Who fucking knows? I saw him make some sensational throws down the stretch and I saw him make some amazingly awful throws...especially some deep balls to Randy Moss.

That said, the kid seemed pretty resilient last year...filling in for Tom Brady is no easy feat...even when the Boston media was calling for Garcia or any veteran...he stood in there and improved ESPECIALLY when it counted.

Pioli isn't stupid. No friggin' way...the only way he makes this move is because he thinks he has a gem in Cassel...and I think he has a much more qualified opinion on the guy than ANYONE on this board...even the drafturbators.

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:13 PM
it always seems like belichek trys to help out HIS guys that go on in their first year. and he obviously LOVES pioli so maybe that got us a good deal

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:13 PM
Maybe Orakpo at 3? He has the ahtleticism to play in the 3-4 and could be a Shawn Merrian type.

We should use the full MLE on Marion.

HC_Chief
02-28-2009, 12:14 PM
Please tell me why Matt Stafford doesn't have more potential than <del>Scott Mitchell</del> Matt Cassel

1) Cassell has a year of NFL experience under his belt; he played well in that season (you cannot deny it, nor can you deny that he had a but load of WR talent to help in that capacity)

2) Pioli knows Cassell's stregths/weaknesses; he also knows what system we will be using and how Cassell fits into that system

3) Stafford never impressed me as a college QB. He was good, but not spectacular. I have friends who went to Georgia/are huge Bulldog fans and they agree: Stafford is the #1QB in this year's draft by default; he is the only one besides Nate Davis who started several seasons and put up decent numbers. Stafford gets the nod over Davis because of the conference.

chiefzilla1501
02-28-2009, 12:15 PM
He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

I trust that Pioli is a good judge of talent and would not have traded for Cassel if he didn't feel very confident about his ability.

The truth is, as he became much more comfortable, he took a lot less sack--most of those sacks happened in the first few games starting. As for the crappy deep ball, I don't understand this obsession with the deep ball. Brady didn't throw a good deep ball when he first started. Arguably, Brady, Pennington, and Brees all throw good but not great deep balls. What they do best is know the game, and I think Cassel has the upside to be a very intelligent QB.

warrior
02-28-2009, 12:15 PM
More like Scott Mitchell, part II.

To be honest, there was a ton of value at need at that 2nd round pick - Barwin, Unger, English, Sintim.

I agree 2nd was to much, lot of value in 2nd hopeful we can find a trade partner for 3rd overall and get more picks.

dannybcaitlyn
02-28-2009, 12:15 PM
I like this move. You know why?

We've just improved the QB position #1.

Secondly, it creates competition in camp for our QB's.

There is now good depth at the QB position. Cassell comes from a winning team has started a full season and played well. AND, if we didn't give up our #3 overall pick, even better!!

THIS!!

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:15 PM
If we drafted Monroe...wouldn't the smarter move be moving Albert to LG, and Waters to C or RG? Is Albert even built to be a RT? Just curious...

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:16 PM
Please tell me why Matt Stafford doesn't have more potential than <del>Scott Mitchell</del> Matt Cassel

Because of the fact that Cassel has in the NFL for 4 years. Learning an NFL offense, practicing, through training camps, been with a team through the NFL playoffs, worked directly under the greatest QB of all time.

For all we know, Stafford could be Joey Harrington. He might be Tom Brady, but we don't know how he will handle himself in the NFL

With Cassel you get a guy who as already played a year, been primed for the NFL, has plenty of experience in the league and in an NFL offense, who got better as the year went on last year, won 6 out of his last 8 games.

Sure the knocks are going to be there that he played on a great team, but he's got at least as much upside as a guy who's never played a down and is coming out of college early.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:16 PM
it always seems like belichek trys to help out HIS guys that go on in their first year. and he obviously LOVES pioli so maybe that got us a good deal

Well, if it is for a 3rd then I'd be pretty pissed as a Pats fan...it's like the Patriots didn't even try to shop Cassel or leverage him off of anyone...they just sort of gift wrapped him for Pioli

doomy3
02-28-2009, 12:16 PM
This is hilarious! All the threads about fucking Sanchez over the past few months for nothing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:16 PM
If we drafted Monroe...wouldn't the smarter move be moving Albert to LG, and Waters to C or RG? Is Albert even built to be a RT? Just curious...

Goddammit. How many times does this have to be explained? You don't move guys who can play LT at a pro bowl level to left fucking guard.

Jesus Christ.

bdeg
02-28-2009, 12:16 PM
If we drafted Monroe...wouldn't the smarter move be moving Albert to LG, and Waters to C or RG? Is Albert even built to be a RT? Just curious...
Is that a joke? what's the point

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
WAIT EVERYBODY!



Has anybody asked Brian Waters to sign off on this deal? What if he doesn't like this move?

lulz

KC kid
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Does anyone have a link to nfl network online? I am stuck in the hospital

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
First in with
Matt Casserole

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Sure the knocks are going to be there that he played on a great team, but he's got at least as much upside as a guy who's never played a down and is coming out of college early.

Have you watched a single second of any Georgia game, ever?

PastorMikH
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
What did he cost us?

88TG88
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
Goddammit. How many times does this have to be explained? You don't move guys who can play LT at a pro bowl level to left ****ing guard.

Jesus Christ.

Eh, we'll probably do that.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
I would welcome a trade down now. They could drop back 5 spots and get that 2nd rounder back. I know, I know..they have to find a partner to trade with.

You all can thank Bernard Pollard for this.

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
for all those who want to point out the great system Cassell plays in or all the WRs he had...don't forget the non-existant running game he had to play with

Woodrow Call
02-28-2009, 12:17 PM
**** it, I'm going to rally behind the kid. He has chance to be our franchise QB for the next 10 yrs and and at the end of the day that was all I was looking for.

If this is who Pioli and Haley really believe in, I'm glad they went out and got him and if it's 2nd I really can't bitch about the cost.

Chocolate Hog
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
hahah Fuck you Draftubators! We got a good QB.

Baconeater
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
What did he cost us?
As usual, we don't know for sure.

Frosty
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
I agree 2nd was to much, lot of value in 2nd hopeful we can find a trade partner for 3rd overall and get more picks.

Yeah, it's unlikely but I'm really hoping something happens there. I would have rather swapped firsts, then give up the second. :(

stevieray
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
Awesome..on two levels...gives us a QB, and expose the board "braintrust" for what it is..outsiders who think they know more than those in charge.

while I appreciate the passion and emotional investment, it just goes to show
that while we think we know what's best, it's just a wish list based on personal opinion...

it's going to be funny watching everyone waste time and energy on something they have no control over...all the negative people now have their syllabus for the entire offseason.

TN_Chief
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
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Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
For as much as I despise Tom Brady...I have no problems with having a smart kid QB our team that learned how to be a QB/professional from Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a fucking horrible idea.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Awesome..on two levels...gives us a QB, and expose the board "braintrust" for what it is..outsiders who think they know more than those in charge.

while I appreciate the passion and emotional investment, it just goes to show
that while we think we know what's best, it's just a wish list based on personal opinion...

it's going to be funny watching everyone waste time and energy on something they have no control over...all the negative people now have their syllabus for the entire offseason.

I agree. I like the move as long as it was for a 2nd round pick.

Brock
02-28-2009, 12:19 PM
ROFL holy fucking shit

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
**** it, I'm going to rally behind the kid. He has chance to be our franchise QB for the next 10 yrs and and at the end of the day that was all I was looking for.

If this is who Pioli and Haley really believe in, I'm glad they went out and got him and if it's 2nd I really can't bitch about the cost.

Agreed.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Goddammit. How many times does this have to be explained? You don't move guys who can play LT at a pro bowl level to left ****ing guard.

Jesus Christ.

I was asking. Relax...if we drafted Monroe...we can't play 2 LT's...that was a simple fucking question...obviously if we're taking Monroe at #3 we're taking him to play LT...so that means Albert would need a new position...what position would that be?

Fucking relax...go start a Pioli bashing thread...calm down. You and OTWP are two very unreasonable people...it's ridiculous.

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Who the hell are we going to draft at 3?

BJ Raji, Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe?

Yay. We give up the #3 overall for a cover backer, a DT who is too goddamned stupid to stay academically eligible, or a left tackle when we already have one.

Yeah they all suck hamas. And stafford is john elway.
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Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
for all those who want to point out the great system Cassell plays in or all the WRs he had...don't forget the non-existant running game he had to play with

The Pats had a pretty good run game. They were top 10 in the league in rushing. They just used a committee so it wasn't as apparent.

milkman
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Goddammit. How many times does this have to be explained? You don't move guys who can play LT at a pro bowl level to left ****ing guard.

Jesus Christ.

It's like beating your head against a wall.

The only thing you get from trying to tell these people the same thing over and over....and over agin is a fucking headache.

Chocolate Hog
02-28-2009, 12:20 PM
Any trade that Mecca or Hamas thinks is bad is actually good. Those 2 cockblowers don't know what their talking about if they did they wouldn't be on Chiefsplanet. Its hilarious watching these fuckwits try to act like they know more then a guy thats won everywhere he's been. Morons.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
I trust that Pioli is a good judge of talent and would not have traded for Cassel if he didn't feel very confident about his ability.

The truth is, as he became much more comfortable, he took a lot less sack--most of those sacks happened in the first few games starting. As for the crappy deep ball, I don't understand this obsession with the deep ball. Brady didn't throw a good deep ball when he first started. Arguably, Brady, Pennington, and Brees all throw good but not great deep balls. What they do best is know the game, and I think Cassel has the upside to be a very intelligent QB.

He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.

Frosty
02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
for all those who want to point out the great system Cassell plays in or all the WRs he had...don't forget the non-existant running game he had to play with

You mean the team that finished 6th in the NFL in rushing?

Brock
02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Carl would have waited another 5 years before he traded for Cassel, so at least there's that.

warrior
02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Does anyone have a link to nfl network online? I am stuck in the hospital

Sorry dude don't have a link but its true just being discussed on NFL channel.

PastorMikH
02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
I agree. I like the move as long as it was for a 2nd round pick.


Me too.

If it was for our first, I'd still feel better with the move than taking a chance on Stafford or Sanchez. Hope we didn't give up the first rounder though.

milkman
02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a ****ing horrible idea.

Any scenario that has us taking another fucking LT when we already have a kid with pro bowl caliber talent there is a fucking horrible idea.

BryanBusby
02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
Hm, I guess it shows what Pioli and Haley think about Thigpen and the QB class in the draft this year.

AustinChief
02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a fucking horrible idea.

I would agree with you EXCEPT for one possibility.

If we trade Waters AND then draft Monroe. Monroe and Albert definitely have chemistry playing next to each other... so I have no problem with that... IF we lose Waters for whatever reason.

Not promoting the idea... just saying that it is the one acceptable situation where moving Albert inside is fine by me.

TrebMaxx
02-28-2009, 12:23 PM
I will believe Cassel is the man once he knocks up a super model. Until then, meh.

Detoxing
02-28-2009, 12:23 PM
**** it, I'm going to rally behind the kid. He has chance to be our franchise QB for the next 10 yrs and and at the end of the day that was all I was looking for.

If this is who Pioli and Haley really believe in, I'm glad they went out and got him and if it's 2nd I really can't bitch about the cost.

exactly. In my book, he's on the same page as Sanchez & Stafford. An Unknown. We dont know what he'll do away from NE, but he has the ability. Pioloi knows more about him than any of us do. I trust him.

Count me in as a Cassel supporter. He's our QB now. Live with it.

HC_Chief
02-28-2009, 12:23 PM
Yeak, let's draft a LT first this year, and another with our first next year, and another with our first the year after, and again the the following year.

We'll have the bestest O-Line Ever.


JFC
:grr:

We need to address our OL. We have needed to address our OL since the Vermeil era.

We drafted an OT last season; we still need an OT. The OT we drafted last season was very good; we have the option to draft the guy this year who started at LT ahead of the guy we drafted last season.

Drafting Monroe would be a smart pick which resulted in our OT position being shored-up for a decade (or more).

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:23 PM
its funny. i watch NFL network and such, i see former players, people with connections in the league, and they say that people inside the Pats organization say Cassel will be a top 10 QB in the league this coming year. but then i come to the internet and computer programmers or high school students tell me he sucks, and we could have anointed our infants with matt stafford's sweat. i am so confused.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.

And once again, you are wrong.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
It's like beating your head against a wall.

The only thing you get from trying to tell these people the same thing over and over....and over agin is a ****ing headache.

Hamas was just bitching about the Chiefs potentially drafting Monroe...

If they drafted him, they are obviously drafting him to play LT...

Therefore, I was wondering what the Chiefs would do with Albert in this scenario.

I love the sense of entitlement you drafturbators think you deserve on this website.

Brock
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Drafting Monroe would be a smart pick which resulted in our OT position being shored-up for a decade (or more).

Seems to me it already is shored up for a decade.

soundmind
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling ****ing retard.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I'm am completely happy, I was kind of pissed about the snow, and then this lands on my plate - so long as we didn't give up too much, I LOVE IT! In fact, as a tribute to this move, I'm buying the jersey off my next paycheck.

However, with Raji I must agree. This guy is a wobbling weetodd, he's big and somewhat athletic and that's it - he's out of shape big, his stock will plummet....

Taking Cassel means, with almost certainty, that I expect the Lions to take Stafford (which I thought anyway really). I now wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if our decision is to try and land Aaron Curry - or trade down.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

KC kid
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Anyone that wants to move Albert to guard is a moron supremo

RedThat
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Any scenario that has us taking another ****ing LT when we already have a kid with pro bowl caliber talent there is a ****ing horrible idea.

My gut feeling tells me the chiefs are going to draft a linebacker. I feel it. I think it's gonna happen. I think you're going to see a lots of moves at linebacker this off-season. Vrabel is the start. I think thats why he was brought in here to teach the young LB's.

Johnny Vegas
02-28-2009, 12:25 PM
is it time to buy a game ticket?

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:25 PM
At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

i agree. if you have a solution at LT then you don't 'fix' it.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Hamas was just bitching about the Chiefs potentially drafting Monroe...

If they drafted him, they are obviously drafting him to play LT...

Therefore, I was wondering what the Chiefs would do with Albert in this scenario.

I love the sense of entitlement you drafturbators think you deserve on this website.

Are you fucking retarded?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the fucking left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

dj56dt58
02-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Hmmm. Actually, that would kind of be awesome in some ways.

thats what I was thinking..but we have thigpen so cassel and thigpen are gonna battle for the starting job..thigpen wont give up

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:25 PM
its funny. i watch NFL network and such, i see former players, people with connections in the league, and they say that people inside the Pats organization say Cassel will be a top 10 QB in the league this coming year. but then i come to the internet and computer programmers or high school students tell me he sucks, and we could have anointed our infants with matt stafford's sweat. i am so confused.

You know what fuckhead, you don't need to get paid from the NFL to actually be able to break down tape, understand schemes and figure out who can be good and bad.

I hate mother fuckers who post this shit.

If this is the case, there would never be any need for political discussion or sports discussion.

If the analysts on NFL Network are always so spot on, why in god's name aren't all of them able to predict the playoff teams before the season starts?

ChiefsCountry
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
We drafted an OT last season; we still need an OT. The OT we drafted last season was very good; we have the option to draft the guy this year who started at LT ahead of the guy we drafted last season.


You know why Virginia had Monroe play left tackle and not Albert? Its bc he couldnt play any other position.

cabletech94
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
Needless to say, our Saturday just became exciting.

BigMeatballDave
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
You all can thank Bernard Pollard for this.LMAO

tomahawk kid
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
At 3 now, I'm drafting Aaron Curry period or trading down.

I do not want Brendan Albert moved from LT.

This.

You draft Curry now, especially with bringing Vrabel in via trade.

Until the draft, you try like hell to address the OL via Free Agency.....

dj56dt58
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

thats just stupid..we still need our fg kicker of the future, we gotta get him at 3

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
Any trade that Mecca or Hamas thinks is bad is actually good. Those 2 cockblowers don't know what their talking about if they did they wouldn't be on Chiefsplanet. Its hilarious watching these ****wits try to act like they know more then a guy thats won everywhere he's been. Morons.

They are both knowledgeable football fans...to say the least. They have great football opinions...but belittling everyone with an opinion and jamming theirs down everyone's throat without the ability of being objective in any way is irritating.

Those two honestly think they could run a football team better than anyone...and I think they really believe that, too.

Sfeihc
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
All you doom and gloomers need to get a freakin' grip. Just sayin'. This is way better than waiting to see if the Chiefs sign the next Kendrell Bell, McInsack or Johnnie Morton.

TrebMaxx
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
My gut feeling tells me the chiefs are going to draft a linebacker. I feel it. I think it's gonna happen. I think you're going to see a lots of moves at linebacker this off-season. Vrabel is the start. I think thats why he was brought in here to teach the young LB's.

I am feeling that too. I don't have a problem with it either.

sparkky
02-28-2009, 12:26 PM
initially I have no problem with the deal but I'll reserve final judgment until we know the whole deal.
I don't have a problem with Cassel.

jAZ
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
First in with
Matt Casserole

I think you mean
Matt Casshole

Chocolate Hog
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
Are you ****ing retarded?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the ****ing left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

Dude shutup. Just cause you're a Mcdonalds manager and you have time to watch NFL Network doesn't mean you know what the fuck you're talking about. And if you think Sanchez is a better QB then Cassell you're a booger eating tard.

AustinChief
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
Anyone that wants to move Albert to guard is a moron supremo

Like his head coach in college? Damn that guy must be a frackin retard.

Pretty sure that all of us know way more about football than anyone who actually does it for a living.

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
schefter says now that another team has been calling new england, KC has a deal in place and it probably still will go through but mystery team is still trying to get him

Bob Dole
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
Reporting maybe a 3 team deal now.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
Shit. Another team may be involved.

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:27 PM
according to NFL network...another team is trying to get Cassel...they are speculating about maybe 3rd team?

seems like not official yet

sparkky
02-28-2009, 12:28 PM
now they say there could be a third team involved wanting Cassel!

chiefzilla1501
02-28-2009, 12:28 PM
Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling ****ing retard.

Um, actually Raji has 4 years of experience. The issue wasn't whether Sanchez had the production, but enough starts. And not drafting a defensive tackle because of his intelligence is really fucking stupid. It's one of the positions where physical ability is far ahead of intelligence--tackles and QBs and safeties and LBs are positions where you need to focus more on intelligence.

You seem to be using this issue as a fatal flaw. It raises a flag, but I think you're raising way too big of a stink about this. Again, BC is a much, much tougher school than most schools represented in the first round (US News and World Report confirms this). I promise you that most of the players who pass at Miami would flunk out at BC. Sedrick Ellis scored a 15 and Vince Wilfork scored a 10 on the Wonderlic for crying out loud.

JASONSAUTO
02-28-2009, 12:28 PM
holy fuck this is crazy

Chiefs Pantalones
02-28-2009, 12:28 PM
We will see how it goes, I'm excited about it!!! I'm willing to give him a shot, I'm just glad it's not for a 1st rounder!

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:29 PM
You know what ****head, you don't need to get paid from the NFL to actually be able to break down tape, understand schemes and figure out who can be good and bad.

I hate mother ****ers who post this shit.

If this is the case, there would never be any need for political discussion or sports discussion.

If the analysts on NFL Network are always so spot on, why in god's name aren't all of them able to predict the playoff teams before the season starts?

i am very sorry you didn't like my post.

the point stands, that when people in football believe in him and random people on the internet ballyhoo about how he's horrible i will defer to the professionals for now

warrior
02-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Just came over BFl network deal is not done yet. Some other team in mix.

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Schefter is backing off its now "he's gettinig traded...looks like KC"

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:29 PM
the bucs want cassel too....

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Are you ****ing retarded?

Why would you spend 50 million on a goddamned left tackle and 20 million on a left guard, when the ****ing left guard can play left tackle at a pro bowl level?

Jesus, why not just draft Alex Mack at 3 so we can have our COTF?

I want you to find a post where I said I wanted the Chiefs to draft Eugene Monroe...

You won't.

You just speculated that very thing happening in this fucking thread...and then someone said something about Albert to RT and I said I figured he would be a better fit at LG...

Calm the fuck down. I'd rather have Curry, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, as opposed to Monroe.

So STFU.

Brock
02-28-2009, 12:30 PM
So THE DEAL IS NOT DONE

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:30 PM
You know why Virginia had Monroe play left tackle and not Albert? Its bc he couldnt play any other position.

are you insulting him for only being able to play the 2nd toughest position in football?

Woodrow Call
02-28-2009, 12:30 PM
This could end up being Schefter's DEAL IS DONE moment.

Taco John
02-28-2009, 12:30 PM
Interesting move.

Now we get to see the real (without Moss) Cassel. But even if he goes bust, a second round pick is acceptable risk.

jAZ
02-28-2009, 12:31 PM
Cassell for our 2nd is the perferct (realistic) solution to our QB issues. I suspect he's as good as Trent Green and we get him for less and keep him for many more years. And we aren't forced to use our #3 pick on a risky QB pool.

chiefzilla1501
02-28-2009, 12:31 PM
Dude shutup. Just cause you're a Mcdonalds manager and you have time to watch NFL Network doesn't mean you know what the **** you're talking about. And if you think Sanchez is a better QB then Cassell you're a booger eating tard.

There's a reason teams don't draft guards and right tackles and centers and rarely LBs in the top 5--it's because teams don't believe it's overly important.

That has nothing to do with us proving we know better than GMs. That's about analyzing what most GMs in the NFL do on a yearly basis.

Coogs
02-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I like the move. I would have liked Stafford or Sanchez juat as much if not more, but Cassel was definately one of the three options I was hoping we could get for our QBOTF.

I wouldn't mind it a bit now if we brought in TJ Houshmanzada for the other wideout to pair with Bowe.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I'm not giving one more thing to the Patriots in this deal. If it was agreed to, it was agreed to. Let him go to Tampa if they want to offer their first rounder.

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:32 PM
haha! Another team thought New England was giving too much of a discount to KC and stepped in and offered more...this could nix both Vrabel and Cassel and Pioli would be back down to strike #1 in the book of Hamas!

ChiefsCountry
02-28-2009, 12:32 PM
are you insulting him for only being able to play the 2nd toughest position in football?

No but Al Groth said that was why Albert wasnt the left tackle and that he was a better athlete than Monroe.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:32 PM
i am very sorry you didn't like my post.

the point stands, that when people in football believe in him and random people on the internet ballyhoo about how he's horrible i will defer to the professionals for now

There's a lot of us "random" people who study the NFL just as much as these "analysts".

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:32 PM
I'm not giving one more thing to the Patriots in this deal. If it was agreed to, it was agreed to. Let him go to Tampa if they want to offer their first rounder.

i agree with that. if we had a deal and they pull it back, then we pull it back

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:33 PM
And once again, you are wrong.

Seattle: 3
St. Louis: 3
SF: 5
SD: 4
Pitt: 5
Oak: 3
Denver: 6
Miami week 3: 4
Jets week 2: 3
Jets week 11: 4

10 games with 3 or more sacks.

Kill yourself.

wild1
02-28-2009, 12:33 PM
There's a lot of us "random" people who study the NFL just as much as these "analysts".

if you read what i posted, it was one of these talking heads - saying that he had talked with people in the Pats organization. it was not his word, he was passing along what they say, that they feel Cassel is a top 10 QB in the league.

CaptainMorgan
02-28-2009, 12:34 PM
apparently, 3rd team is a "surprise team" whatever the hell that means

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:34 PM
Seattle: 3
St. Louis: 3
SF: 5
SD: 4
Pitt: 5
Oak: 3
Denver: 6
Miami week 3: 4
Jets week 2: 3
Jets week 11: 4

10 games with 3 or more sacks.

Kill yourself.

You posted "more" than 3, dipshit.

He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.

KCFalcon59
02-28-2009, 12:35 PM
This is insane. I want more info.

morphius
02-28-2009, 12:35 PM
I just can't get excited by this. I guess I'll wait till I see what this one cost us. Just for me, it isn't till after the first year playing that people have some real tape on a guy and while I love TG and like Bowe, neither of them is Moss and Welker.

As usual, he is our QB, so I'll root for the guy to succeed.

kysirsoze
02-28-2009, 12:35 PM
Guess we will find out soon enough if Cassel is a 'product of the system.' He still has lots to prove in my opinion. Now, lets go out and get Monroe to have two studs blocking on the ends or get Crabtree so he has another weapon to throw the ball to. I wouldn't mind seeing us go after Houshmandzadeh and then getting Monroe with our 3rd.

If Cassel's a product of the system then so is Brady. AAAND if we're getting a good systemn QB but are putting him into a similar system (and Pioli seems intent on turning us into the Pats) then he should succeed nicely. CRABTREE AT 3!!!:D

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Um, actually Raji has 4 years of experience. The issue wasn't whether Sanchez had the production, but enough starts. And not drafting a defensive tackle because of his intelligence is really fucking stupid. It's one of the positions where physical ability is far ahead of intelligence--tackles and QBs and safeties and LBs are positions where you need to focus more on intelligence.

You seem to be using this issue as a fatal flaw. It raises a flag, but I think you're raising way too big of a stink about this. Again, BC is a much, much tougher school than most schools represented in the first round (US News and World Report confirms this). I promise you that most of the players who pass at Miami would flunk out at BC. Sedrick Ellis scored a 15 and Vince Wilfork scored a 10 on the Wonderlic for crying out loud.

Read. Please. I like you, even if we never agree.

One year of production.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Mike Reiss of the Boston Herald says that the paperwork has been filed with the league.

Chocolate Hog
02-28-2009, 12:37 PM
Read. Please. I like you, even if we never agree.

One year of production.

One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

Short Leash Hootie
02-28-2009, 12:37 PM
You posted "more" than 3, dipshit.

what the fuck are you talking about?

Everyone knows Cassel took a shit ton of sacks last year...he took like 40+...opposed to Brady who took like 12-15 the year before...

However, I think teams may have studied the Giants gameplan against the Pats and that offense and how to attack the QB which may have worked against Cassel...I mean, Brady was taking hits from the Chiefs in the 1st quarter and the Chiefs ended up amassing 10 sacks and not many more pressures on the season...in 2007, Tom Brady had more time than Trent Green during the Chiefs offensive heyday during the Vermeil era...

So we'll see...

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:38 PM
3-way

kcfanXIII
02-28-2009, 12:38 PM
I was asking. Relax...if we drafted Monroe...we can't play 2 LT's...that was a simple ****ing question...obviously if we're taking Monroe at #3 we're taking him to play LT...so that means Albert would need a new position...what position would that be?

****ing relax...go start a Pioli bashing thread...calm down. You and OTWP are two very unreasonable people...it's ridiculous.


my god i agree with hootie. all the draftubators need to take a moment, maybe cry into their box of tampons or something, and realize that pioli doesn't care what any of us think. bottom line, we got a possible franchise qb, and still have our first round pick.

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Peter King says it's done. Cassel and Vrabel for our 2nd rounder.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/02/28/chiefs.trade.for.cassel/?eref=sircrc

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:38 PM
One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

We're talking about BJ Raji, dumbass.

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 12:38 PM
So its not even a done deal and everybodys acting like it is. Great. We've been all masturbating the last hour.

Tell me when there is actual news.
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Reaper16
02-28-2009, 12:39 PM
3-way
Thigpen to the Bucs!

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:39 PM
Peter King says it's a 2nd round pick for both players.

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 12:39 PM
what the fuck are you talking about?

Everyone knows Cassel took a shit ton of sacks last year...he took like 40+...opposed to Brady who took like 12-15 the year before...

However, I think teams may have studied the Giants gameplan against the Pats and that offense and how to attack the QB which may have worked against Cassel...I mean, Brady was taking hits from the Chiefs in the 1st quarter and the Chiefs ended up amassing 10 sacks and not many more pressures on the season...in 2007, Tom Brady had more time than Trent Green during the Chiefs offensive heyday during the Vermeil era...

So we'll see...

I'm talking about Hamas being wrong, yet again. He made a false claim, as he does so often, and I called him on it.

ChiefsCountry
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
One year of production opposed to Sanchez who's never played in the NFL. Hmm

Talking about Rajji not Sanchez.

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
girls girls girls... can we stop the slap fight?


you guys are going to upset Brian Waters.

KC kid
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
if it is a second round pick for both players, Pioli made a great trade

Jerm
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
I'm probably going to get blasted for this but I think getting Cassel for a 2nd round pick is an absolute STEAL.

It'll be interesting to see what we do with the #3 pick...Curry OR will Haley want Crabtree?

DaFace
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Peter King says it's a 2nd round pick for both players.

That's actually pretty good value IMO.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Thigpen to the Bucs!

The Bucs just became
a bag of dicks

Chocolate Hog
02-28-2009, 12:41 PM
We're talking about BJ Raji, dumbass.

We aren't drafting that peice of shit Sanchez! I know your love for hispanic men maybe you'll cheer for another team so we won't have to read your uniformed post?

Detoxing
02-28-2009, 12:41 PM
Peter King says it's a 2nd round pick for both players.

If this is true, i can live with that. Some would even say that WE fucked the pats

bdeg
02-28-2009, 12:41 PM
I didn't watch that much of that Pats last year. If it's true that he improved a lot through the season and showed he has the tools, then this could be a steal.

I'm just nervous after seeing that offense's potency cut in half.

nychief
02-28-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm probably going to get blasted for this but I think getting Cassel for a 2nd round pick is an absolute STEAL.

It'll be interesting to see what we do with the #3 pick...Curry OR will Haley want Crabtree?



I have visions of Crabtree dancing in my head...

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm talking about Hamas being wrong, yet again. He made a false claim, as he does so often, and I called him on it.

3 or more sacks in 10 games. It was a typo. 47 overall. Led the league in sacks taken last year.

It's a legitimate problem.

Detoxing
02-28-2009, 12:42 PM
I'm probably going to get blasted for this but I think getting Cassel for a 2nd round pick is an absolute STEAL.

It'll be interesting to see what we do with the #3 pick...Curry OR will Haley want Crabtree?

OMFG. If we get either Curry or Crabtree.....Best Offseason ever

blueballs
02-28-2009, 12:42 PM
THigpen to the Soldier