View Full Version : Chiefs So no 7th for Vrabel. What magical player comes from that pick now?

02-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Which player was worth Warpath going batshit crazy over not being able to get...

7th round. Who ya got?

02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
Which player was worth Warpath going batshit crazy over not being able to get...

7th round. Who ya got?


02-28-2009, 12:22 PM
we could have had the next michael allan

02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I'm quite excited in having the opportunity to be able to draft the next James Kilian.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I just think it's hilarious that the group of them argued this point for basically 1k posts yesterday.

02-28-2009, 12:24 PM

02-28-2009, 12:30 PM
No names? Nothing from the brain trust?

02-28-2009, 12:43 PM

02-28-2009, 12:45 PM
Could the pick turn out to be a James Kilian? Sure. Could the pick turn out to be a good backup/special teams guy (someone like the undrafted Maurice Leggett)? Sure. Could the pick turn out to be a serviceable NFL starter like Jarrad Page? Sure.

Draft picks have value because of potential. No pick is a "safe," guaranteed thing.

02-28-2009, 12:46 PM
I don't care who it is, as long as it's a TE.

02-28-2009, 12:46 PM
Or FB...seeing as how we missed out on Owen Schmitt last year.

02-28-2009, 12:48 PM
Jose Martinez K from UTEP. The dude only missed like 3 FG from inside 50, and nailed a 64yarder.

02-28-2009, 12:48 PM
Some people just don't know when to stop and just keep extending their arguments to extreme limits, even when it makes them look like fools.

It's true that draft picks are valuable and that one generally shouldn't give them up for older players, but 6th and 7th round picks aren't all that useful. They certainly aren't worth crying about. It's pretty ironic that the very people who were arguing against trading Vrabel for a 6th and 7th were using the same arguments as the people they despise who argued that you can find a QB in the late rounds.

02-28-2009, 12:52 PM
I just think it's hilarious that the group of them argued this point for basically 1k posts yesterday.

Hey I contributed probably 100. I was suffering from withdrawal.

02-28-2009, 12:58 PM
good stuff this thread

02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

02-28-2009, 01:24 PM

Ultra Peanut
02-28-2009, 01:32 PM

02-28-2009, 01:37 PM
Eric Warfield

dirk digler
02-28-2009, 01:47 PM
This is going to leave a mark

02-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Here is a place to start lifted from another site...get to work folks.

200. Phillip Hunt, DE Houston 6-1, 260
Position Rank: 19
Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
Positives: An elite pass rusher … Major-league disruptive force … Plays better than his size.
Negatives: Short. Doesn’t look the part … Held his own in the post-season circuit, but might have to be a linebacker to make a roster … Needs the right fit and won’t hold up against the run.

201. Tim Jamison, Michigan DE 6-2, 256
Position Rank: 20
Post-Combine Skinny: The workout didn't help him. He was smaller than just about everyone else and didn't show the athleticism of some of the bigger guys. The 21 reps weren't good and the 5.03 40 was even worse. He doesn't have a position.
Positives: Frame to get stronger. Has the body … Big hitter who packs a punch … Could be a strong NFL run stopper in any defensive scheme.
Negatives: Not a pure pass rusher by NFL standards … Not consistent. Can get erased for stretches by better OTs … Doesn’t have a lot of moves, even though he’s quick.

202. Chase Daniel, QB Missouri 6-0, 218
Position Rank: 13
Post-Combine Skinny: Measured up to the magical 6-0 mark, but he wasn't fast in the 40. Shortest arms of the QBs by far.
Positives: Ultimate leader. Very fiery competitor … Great accuracy and production when he gets on a roll … Mobile.
Negatives: Too short … Will be compared to Drew Brees because of size and production, but he isn’t Drew Brees … Gets in trouble when he tries to do too much.

203. Ramon Foster, OG Tennessee 6-5, 328
Position Rank: 12
Post-Combine Skinny: The 20 reps were a big problem for a player looking to shine on the inside. He's big with long arms, and he didn't move all that well.
Positives: Big body … Good worker. Good motor … Could be moved to tackle if needed.
Negatives: Not an elite pass blocker … Has issues against speed rushers and quick linemen.

204. Stryker Sulak, DE Missouri 6-5, 251
Position Rank: 20
Post-Combine Skinny: He beefed up a bit getting to over 250, and now he doesn't appear to be as rangy. The 4.77 was excellent and he was tremendously quick in the cone and shuttle drills. However, if he wants to be a regular end, he has to get stronger.
Positives: Great pass rusher …. Quick off the ball. Can drop into pass coverage well … Always working. Always moving.
Negatives: Way too lanky. Not built like an end … Not quite athletic enough to be a regular linebacker … Will likely have to be a specialist.

205. Troy Kropog, OT Tulane 6-6, 292
Position Rank: 14
Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine.
Positives: Very smart … Very quick and athletic … Will work to be better.
Negatives: Undersized … Won’t overpower anyone and will have to go to the right team

206. Alex Fletcher, C 6-3, 297
Position Rank: 9
Post-Combine Skinny: He moved extremely well and was great on the bench with 30 reps. However, he wasn't quite as big as expected.
Positives: Nice size and knows how to use it … Fiery and punishing. Finishes his blocks. … Smart.
Negatives: Fine against quick defenders, but struggles against stronger ones … Durability concerns … Might be better as a guard.

207. Andrew Gardner, OT Georgia Tech 6-7, 304
Position Rank: 15
Post-Combine Skinny: Still recovering from a shoulder injury, he didn't work out.
Positives: Very big, very tough … A smart blocker … Can do it all. Strong at both run and pass blocking.
Negatives: Needs to get much stronger … Doesn’t always play up to his size … Doesn’t have great feet … Got knocked out for the season with a shoulder problem.

208. Willie Tuitama, QB Arizona 6-4, 230
Position Rank: 15
Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't Invited To The Combine
Positives: Good size and bulk. Looks the part … NFL arm with decent mobility in the pocket … Accurate.
Negatives: Durabilty a major problem … Was fine at Arizona, but not special. Didn’t blow up as expected.

209. Fenuki Tupou, OT Oregon 6-5, 314
Position Rank: 16
Post-Combine Skinny: Disappointing. Extremely small hands for a player of his size, lifts were mediocre, and he wasn't one of the more athletic-looking tackles considering his reputation.
Positives: Former tight end. Athletic … Strong enough … Dominated USF DE George Selvie.
Negatives: Will take a while to grasp an offense … Not left tackle material and might only be good enough to play on the right side.

210. Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina 6-8, 309
Position Rank: 17
Post-Combine Skinny: It's almost like everyone was expecting more. He didn't move all that well even though he's huge, and the 19 reps were a disaster, long arms or not.
Positives: Hard worker who’ll do whatever is needed … Good motor with good attitude … Brings it every play.
Negatives: Not necessarily the most gifted of blockers … Needs to get stronger. Not necessarily a finisher … Height more of a negative than a positive when it comes to leverage.

211. Nick Reed, DE Oregon 6-2, 250
Position Rank: 21
Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
Positives: Big-time pass rusher … Always working. Great motor … Ultra-productive against everyone in the Pac 10.
Negatives: Too small … Not quite fast enough to play linebacker, too small to play end … A specialist. Will need to find the right fit.

212. Ryan Mouton, CB Hawaii 5-9, 187
Position Rank: 22
Post-Combine Skinny: A tough guy for his size, he showed off the quickness and shiftiness expected. The 4.54 wasn't great, but he whipped around the short drills and leapt an incredible 10'9".
Positives: Extremely tough for his size. A playmaker … Can be used as a returner … Quick and very shifty.
Negatives: Too small. Got away with his size in the WAC … Needs technique work … A willing tackler, but he’s not all that physical. Doesn’t provide any pop.

213. Corvey Irvin, DT Georgia 6-3, 301
Position Rank: 18
Post-Combine Skinny: He needed to come in and give the scouts something to get excited about, and he didn't. He wasn't smooth and he only came up with 24 reps. However, the 5.0 in the 40 was a nice surprise considering he's not considered much of an athlete.
Positives: NFL body … Excellent upside with the potential to be a steady starter … Good mover. Decent at working his way into the backfield.
Negatives: Isn’t a closer. Not an elite athlete … Won’t get to the quarterback at the NFL level … Struggles at shedding blocks.

214. Ian Campbell, DE Kansas State 6-4, 265
Position Rank: 23
Post-Combine Skinny: He struggled at KSU when moved to linebacker, but he showed the athleticism to potentially move outside at the next level. He blew through the drills with as much athleticism and quickness as most linebackers, much less the ends. He'll have come up with one more big workout, especially in the weight room, to be assured of an early second day pick.
Positives: Tremendous pass rusher if in the right scheme … Always moving. Tries to make every play … Strong tackler.
Negatives: Never improved after breakout sophomore season …Didn’t produce in space when moved to linebacker … Not strong enough.

215. Stephen McGee, QB Texas A&M 6-3, 235
Position Rank: 16
Post-Combine Skinny: Created a stir with his speed. His 4.66 40 was second only to Pat White. Ran well, and was fine throwing.
Positives: Great runner … Quick learner. Can pick up any system right away.
Negatives: Lost his job as a senior partly due to a shoulder injury … Not an elite arm.

216. Jahi Word-Daniels, CB Georgia Tech 6-0, 197
Position Rank: 23
Post-Combine Skinny: While he didn't run the 40, he played to his strength ... his strength. With good size, he's still on the draft board and he lifted an impressive 24 times on the bench. the 35.5" vertical didn't hurt.
Positives: Nice size and good hitter … Was a top prospect before a mediocre senior season … Good against the run. Physical.
Negatives: A hamstring problem hurt him … Not quite athletic enough to stay with a No. 1 NFL receiver … Not afraid to hit, but he’s not always good at it.

217. Travis Bright, OG BYU 6-4, 316
Position Rank: 13
Post-Combine Skinny: The 34 reps on the bench were among the best of the guards, and he showed some explosiveness in the drills.
Positives: Insanely strong. Record-setting strong … Plays with a mean streak … Very tough. Punishing.
Negatives: Old. He’s already 26 … Not a good athlete … Durability a problem.

218. Robert Francois, LB Boston College 6-2, 245
Position Rank: 16
Post-Combine Skinny: Wasn't At The Combine
Positives: Excellent tackler … Great open field tackler and can get into the backfield … Strong. Great hitting ability with big-time upside.
Negatives: Didn’t start for that long … Mediocre in pass coverage against athletic receivers … Not an elite athlete.

219. Demonte Bolden, DT Tennessee 6-4, 282
Position Rank: 19
Post-Combine Skinny: Everyone knows he can move, and he showed it off with a good 5.01 in the 40 and he was smooth. However, he didn't lift and he appeared to look like he still needs to hit the weights.
Positives: Very quick, very athletic … Has room to get much bigger and much stronger … Big-time upside. If he can add bulk and keep his athleticism, look out.
Negatives: Not big enough yet …

02-28-2009, 03:20 PM

2008: Rice's first Football Writers All America selection since Buddy Dial in 1958...Also earned All America mention from CBSSports.com (1st team), Walter Camp (second team) and Rivals.com (third team)...Three-time, first-team consensus All C-USA selection, the first Owl to be a consensus pick for conference honors for three consecutive seasons... Leads the NCAA with 19 touchdown catches, tied for eighth with an average of 9.5 points per game, sixth in receiving yards (1,224), sixth in yards per game (102.0) and tied for18th with 6.58 catches per game... The first receiver in NCAA history to have two, 19-touchdown reception seasons (his career high is 21 in 2006)... Has caught at least two passes in each game of his career (48 games), the longest active streak in the country.... Needs 24 yards to break his school record for reception yardage and is two touchdowns away from breaking the C-USA career scoring mark (DeAngelo Williams has 60) and move into ninth on the NCAA career list... Became the 10th receiver in NCAA history to top 4,000 yards receiving with his 88-yard effort vs. Marshall. ... 13th receiver in NCAA history to record three seasons with at least 1,000 yards receiving with his 144-yard effort against Army, including a career-long 80-yard scoring combination with Chase Clement ... Tied James Casey for the team lead with six 100-yard reception games this year, matching his career-high set in 2006... Top receiving effort was a 158-yard effort against Texas... Total was the most yards gained by a receiver vs. the Longhorns this season, including all three finalists for the 2008 Biletnikoff Award (Michael Crabtree, Dez Bryant, Jeremy Maclin)... Has 15 career games of better than 100 yards... Added the C-USA career mark for receiving yards to his resume with his 93 yards vs. UTEP. Ranks second on the C-USA reception list with 284 in his four seasons at Rice... In the four years prior to his debut in 2005, the Owls completed a total of 278 passes as a team.... In the 10 seasons prior to his arrival in 2005, the Owls threw a total of 55 touchdown passes, while Dillard has caught an NCAA career record 59 over the last four... His career touchdown total is 19 more than any other active NCAA receiver.....Prior to his career, the combined total of Rice's top four career touchdown receivers (David Houser, 18; Eric Henley 16; Kenneth Roy 15, Buddy Dial 13) was 62 combined touchdowns... Became the NCAA's career touchdown reception record holder when he caught his 51st vs. Tulsa. Now holds a total of five NCAA receiving records: Most career touchdowns (59), most career touchdowns by a passing duo (w/Chase Clement, 50), most career games with a touchdown catch (37), most games with a touchdown catch in a season (13 in 2006), most consecutive games with a touchdown catch in a season(13 in 2006. Combined with Clement to earn Walter Camp Foundation National Offensive Players of the Week and C-USA offensive honors after setting the NCAA record for a duo with three scores vs. North Texas... Active NCAA career leader in receptions (284), receiving yards (4,052), and touchdowns (59) in addition to holding the record for TD \receptions..... Ranks ninth on the NCAA career list for reception yardage...198 to move into eighth...tied for 10th on the career touchdown list... Four touchdown catches vs. North Texas tied a C-USA record...Has eight career games with at least three TD catches. ... Has caught a TD pass in 14 of his last 16 games dating back to last season...Caught a TD pass in 10 of his final 12 conference games and in 24 of his last 27.

2007: Consensus C-USA pick and honorable mention All-America by Sports Illustrated after leading the Owls with 79 catches for 1,057 yards and 14 touchdowns .... His totals for yards and touchdowns are second only to his sophomore year totals, while his total for catches ranks third... Led C-USA receivers with his 14 TDs in addition to his average of 7.5 catches per conference game... Saw his consecutive games with a touchdown reception end in the opener against Nicholls... Held to a career-low 14 yards against Southern Miss, but made them productive, catching a pair of seven-yard touchdowns... Bounced back with seven catches for 133 yards and two touchdowns at Houston, starting a second half surge that saw him catch 58 passes for 789 yards and 11 touchdowns over the final seven games... Tied his own school record against Memphis, catching three touchdown passes, the fifth time in his career, and the seventh time in Rice history that a receiver caught three TDs in a game... Held out of the end zone at Marshall, but caught seven passes for 99 yards. matched his career-high with 11 catches against UTEP, good for 168 yards and two touchowns.... First catch against the Miners allowed him to become the Owls career leader in receiving yardage... Established a new career-high with 13 catches against SMU, which allowed him to break the Owls career reception mark... Finished the day with 124 yards receiving and a pair of touchdowns.... Pre-season All-American in several publications, and the pre-season Texas College Player of the Year in Dave Campbell's Texas Football. One of just four second-team Walter Camp All-Americans (Colt Brennan of Hawa'ii, Ray Rice of Rutgers and Michael Hart of Michigan were the others) who were invited to attent the Camp Foundation's All-American weekend in January.

2006: Re-wrote the Rice record book for wide receivers while sprinting past the field of more recognized candidates to become a finalist for the Biletnikoff Award... First-team All-America selection by ESPN.com and earned second-team status by The Walter Camp Foundation, AP, The Sporting News and SI.com... Owls' first All America since Charles Torrello in 1997 and the first Rice receiver to be honored since Buddy Dial in 1958... Consensus All C-USA pick after earning All-Freshman honors in 2005... Rice's first finalist for a major individual post-season award since Trevor Cobb won the Doak Walker Award in 1991... Broke the NCAA record for consecutive games in a season with the touchdown reception (13) when he caught a 1-yard scoring pass from Joel Armstrong in the 4th quarer of the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl... Had shared the mark with Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald... Ended 2006 with a 15-game streak, the second longest streak in NCAA history and three shy of Fitzgerald's record set in 2003... Caught 21 touchdowns in 2006 to shatter the old Rice season mark of nine, while also setting a C-USA record... 21 TD passes led the nation and were six more than any other receiver... Has combined with Chase Clement for a total of 21 touchdowns, making them the most productive duo in school history... Became the first Owl to top 1,000 yards in receiving (1,247) and also broke the school season mark for catches (91)... His 91 receptions were better than any Rice team total for a season since 1993... 21 TDs also set a Rice record, as did his 126 points scored... Ranked third in the nation with an average of 9.69 points a game, he tied for fifth with 7.0 receptions per game and ranked 8th with 95.9 yards per game... Tied the school mark by catching three TD passes in a game, doing so in four different games (Army, UAB, Tulsa and SMU).... Posted six games of more than 100 yards receiving, including a high of 171 against Army (third best in school history)... Three of Rice's six straight wins to close the season came on the final offensive play of the game and Dillard was responsible for all three... Caught the game-winner vs. UAB with three seconds left to start the winning streak... Caught the game-winner in the second overtime to beat Tulsa... Accounted for 51 of the 54 yards the Owls drove in the last minute to set up Clark Fangmeier's winning field goal with three seconds left against UAB... During the Owls six-game winning streak to earn their first bowl berth, Dillard caught 35 passes for 604 yards and 12 touchdowns.

2005: Played in all 11 games with eight starts at wide receiver... Had 35 catches for 524 yards and five touchdowns to earn all-Conference USA freshman honors... The 35 catches were the most by any Owl during Ken Hatfield's 12 seasons as the Rice coach... Had at least two catches in all 11 games... Had season highs of six catches and 96 yards in the season finale at Houston... Had five catches of at least 30 yards, topped by a 51-yard TD connection with Chase Clement at Houston... Had one rushing attempt for a seven-yard loss against Texas.

2004: Redshirt.

High School -- 2004 graduate of Sam Houston High in San Antonio... Three-year letterman and starter for coach Russell Tatum... Two-time all-District 28-4A selection at wide receiver, adding all-area honors as a senior... Academic all-state selection in '03... Also competed for the Hurricanes in basketball and track... Helped Sam Houston to the Class 4A state basketball tournament in '03, and competed in the regional track meet in '03 in both hurdles events... Ranked first in his class academically throughout his high school career... Member of the National Honor Society and served as a class officer.

Personal -- Full Name: Jarett Juma Porter Dillard... Born: Dec. 21, 1985, at San Antonio... Parents: Porter and Robin Dillard, San Antonio (one brother, one sister)... Sister Tai played basketball at Texas and for San Antonio in the WNBA... Earned his degree in political science this spring.

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Skip Towne
02-28-2009, 03:28 PM
Chase Daniels.

02-28-2009, 03:29 PM
The next Matt Cassel.

02-28-2009, 03:30 PM
Sanchez cause he sucks and he'll drop that far.

02-28-2009, 03:46 PM
Garry Williams, Kentucky
2 time "all sec 2nd team" played LT but filled in as guard as well. Limited physical potential for a LT but at 6 foot 3 he has good height to be a guard in the NFL.

He is always listed as either free agent or 7th round.

02-28-2009, 04:10 PM
Dalin Tollestrup, QB, U of C. CIS Freshman of the year, hasn't played football since 05-06, QBOTF

02-28-2009, 04:12 PM

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2009, 04:16 PM
Well, since your list is filled with inaccuracies (Like Kropog not being at the combine), I recommend you find a new list.

Thig Lyfe
02-28-2009, 04:33 PM
Chase McDanielson

03-01-2009, 02:08 AM
Well, since your list is filled with inaccuracies (Like Kropog not being at the combine), I recommend you find a new list.

Thats the thing...I am no armchair draft expert.

I was waiting for the people who study this stuff for message board greatness to chime in.

So who ya got?

Ultra Peanut
03-01-2009, 02:14 AM
Jarrett Fucking Dillard is not going to fall to the 7th round.

03-01-2009, 02:49 AM
I like where this thread is going.

03-01-2009, 02:58 AM
Chase Patton.

That way we'd have a 7th round pick who never started a college game backing up a 7th round pick who never started a college game.

03-01-2009, 07:40 AM
Chase Patton.

That way we'd have a 7th round pick who never started a college game backing up a 7th round pick who never started a college game.


beach tribe
03-01-2009, 07:43 AM
Maybe he next Matt Cassel.

03-01-2009, 07:43 AM
Does Zach have some sort of weird complex with this thread and his complete blow up the other day...I'm beginning to wonder.

03-01-2009, 11:16 AM
Does Zach have some sort of weird complex with this thread and his complete blow up the other day...I'm beginning to wonder.

So you don't have a player? Lame.

03-01-2009, 11:58 AM