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notorious
02-28-2009, 01:57 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

MIAdragon
02-28-2009, 01:57 PM
Do we need another one of these threads?

Basileus777
02-28-2009, 01:59 PM
Everyone is Carl Peterson, Carl Peterson is everyone.

notorious
02-28-2009, 02:00 PM
I have not seen a Peterson/Pioli comparsion yet, but if so I apologize.

milkman
02-28-2009, 02:00 PM
Do we need another one of these threads?

Of course we do.

It's how we roll.

notorious
02-28-2009, 02:01 PM
We will see how he drafts, which is the key to winning the big one. If history is any indication, it will be rough.

Stewie
02-28-2009, 02:02 PM
It's 27 year old QB and a high quality veteran for ONE pick.

milkman
02-28-2009, 02:05 PM
Everyone is Carl Peterson, Carl Peterson is everyone.

Oh no!!!!!

We hired Scott Peterson!!!!!!

notorious
02-28-2009, 02:06 PM
I agree that on paper it is a hell of a value. I got pissed when I heard we traded for Cassel expecting that we gave up a lot. I felt better when they released it was a two players for one pick deal. Eased the pain, but I am still not sold on Cassel.

We have to get a coach that will continue his development. That is key. NE's coaches are light-years ahead of us in terms of handling QB's.

Mr. Arrowhead
02-28-2009, 02:08 PM
Carl Traded for Trent Green at early 30s for a first rounder. Pioli got a 26 year old qb and a starting LB for a 2nd round. Nuff said

doomy3
02-28-2009, 02:11 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

I think you're an idiot.

notorious
02-28-2009, 02:13 PM
I think you're an idiot.

LOL

You are not the first or the last. Congratulations.

Bob Dole
02-28-2009, 02:17 PM
your and idiot

JuicesFlowing
02-28-2009, 02:19 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

Because 2-14 is wonderful. Pioli is brilliant and I'm not doubting any move he makes.

notorious
02-28-2009, 02:29 PM
I have all the hope in the world and a hell of a lot more faith in Pioli than Carl.

But, you can see how both are similar in this aspect.

It's all about drafting, and Pioli has a lot of bullets in that gun. Let's hope for the best!

FAX
02-28-2009, 03:01 PM
your and idiot

Is he the notorious idiot I've heard so much about?

FAX

jAZ
02-28-2009, 03:02 PM
Just shut up.

Brock
02-28-2009, 03:06 PM
Carl would have waited until Cassel was 32 to trade for him.

nychief
02-28-2009, 03:08 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?


Why aren't you a Cassel fan? Do tell...

Just Passin' By
02-28-2009, 03:11 PM
I have all the hope in the world and a hell of a lot more faith in Pioli than Carl.

But, you can see how both are similar in this aspect.

It's all about drafting, and Pioli has a lot of bullets in that gun. Let's hope for the best!

It's not all about drafting. It's about putting together a great team by using all available avenues.

Thig Lyfe
02-28-2009, 03:12 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

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Molitoth
02-28-2009, 03:12 PM
this thread fails.

Thig Lyfe
02-28-2009, 03:12 PM
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SenselessChiefsFan
02-28-2009, 03:14 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

When it was reported that the Chiefs gave up a third for Vrabel, then I was in agreement with you about it being the same ol' same ol'.

But, it isn't that at all. The Chiefs got a starting QB for a second round pick. A guy who won 11 games last year. A hard worker.


If Cassel were 30 years old, coming off a knee surgery, had never started a full season in his career, and the Chiefs gave a first round pick for him... then YES, it would be the CP deux.

el borracho
02-28-2009, 03:34 PM
Oh no!!!!!

We hired Scott Peterson!!!!!!

Hide your preggos, lol.

the Talking Can
02-28-2009, 03:36 PM
um, Pioli drafted Cassel....you fucking moron

Red Beans
02-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Carl Traded for Trent Green at early 30s for a first rounder. Pioli got a 26 year old qb and a starting LB for a 2nd round. Nuff said


There's a nail being hit on the head here.

Pioli Zombie
02-28-2009, 03:43 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

That you are wrong
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PastorMikH
02-28-2009, 03:46 PM
Carl tended to trade picks for OLD players. He also tended to have to overpay for what we got.

I don't think Pioli overpaid, and though Vrabel is older, he and Cassel both for a 2nd is a great trade. Carl would have had to give up our 1st, 2nd, and 5th or 5th for these two.


Also, keep in mind, Pioli didn't make this trade based on film and interviews, he KNOWS these players personally.

aturnis
02-28-2009, 03:47 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

Did your mother drop you on your head as a child?

RippedmyFlesh
02-28-2009, 03:51 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.






What does everyone else think?

So when kc trades thigpen to the bucs you can be a tampa bay fan and leave chiefs fans alone.

blueballs
02-28-2009, 03:53 PM
Are you the stupid old fuck
who called into sports radio
and said this trade was purely a move to sell season tickets

beavis
02-28-2009, 03:55 PM
JFC. The guys has already cleaned house and gotten us what could be a franchise QB. Will you fuckers never be happy?

tomahawk kid
02-28-2009, 03:57 PM
I would be happy if this place went for 4 days without mentioning Peterson.

He's gone - let's quit bringing the SOB up....

KCtotheSB
02-28-2009, 03:58 PM
A 26 year old quarterback and ONE veteran to lead our young, inexperienced defense.
Christ, Pioli is nowhere near Peterson. This topic sucks.

notorious
02-28-2009, 03:58 PM
So when kc trades thigpen to the bucs you can be a tampa bay fan and leave chiefs fans alone.

Where in the holy F*&^ did you get that idea?!

Rausch
02-28-2009, 03:59 PM
A 26 year old quarterback and ONE veteran to lead our young, inexperienced defense.
Christ, Pioli is nowhere near Peterson. This topic sucks.

Because CP compares everyone to everyone after every move...

Coach
02-28-2009, 04:02 PM
I'll tell you what is a Carl Peterson move.

Trading a 2nd rounder for Kurt Warner.

notorious
02-28-2009, 04:07 PM
I didn't hear a whole lot of enthusiasm about Cassel before this trade. In fact, a lot of people here and elsewhere were against getting him at any price.

Good God guys, settle down. It was just a simple comparsion between Pioli and Carl and how they are using trade/trades to get fans excited about the team next year.

I am one of those fans!

How is that stupid?!

The_Doctor10
02-28-2009, 04:07 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

Cassel's 26 with one year starting and 4 years under the instruction of the best QB in the past 20 years and a 3-time Super-Bowl winning coach who is widely regarded as the smartest man in football.

Carl Peterson's veterans... were not.

the Talking Can
02-28-2009, 04:11 PM
I didn't hear a whole lot of enthusiasm about Cassel before this trade. In fact, a lot of people here and elsewhere were against getting him at any price.

Good God guys, settle down. It was just a simple comparsion between Pioli and Carl and how they are using trade/trades to get fans excited about the team next year.

I am one of those fans!

How is that stupid?!

because they aren't the same, as everyone has tried to explain to you

notorious
02-28-2009, 04:18 PM
because they aren't the same, as everyone has tried to explain to you

Where did I same they were the same? Similar, but not the same. Pioli still has a boat load of draft picks in his pocket.

BTW, there are some excellent points on this thread about Cassel's age, and how Carl would have given up more for an older QB. Thanks for answering the question with good reasoning.

We are forgetting one HUGE point. Who thinks that Cassel is going to be the same QB here as he was in NE? NE has a HOF coach, a HOF WR, with an outstanding QB coaching staff.

Cassel is going to need the same caliber coaching here as he got in NE to keep progressing. If not we have a Grbac/Bono. Servicable, but not elite.

picasso
02-28-2009, 04:32 PM
your and idiot

I second that!!!

picasso
02-28-2009, 04:37 PM
Where did I same they were the same? Similar, but not the same. Pioli still has a boat load of draft picks in his pocket.

BTW, there are some excellent points on this thread about Cassel's age, and how Carl would have given up more for an older QB. Thanks for answering the question with good reasoning.

We are forgetting one HUGE point. Who thinks that Cassel is going to be the same QB here as he was in NE? NE has a HOF coach, a HOF WR, with an outstanding QB coaching staff.

Cassel is going to need the same caliber coaching here as he got in NE to keep progressing. If not we have a Grbac/Bono. Servicable, but not elite.

He will be the same QB as he was for the Patriots.
DUH!
How can you compare this coaching staff to what we had then is moronic.
Let alone a Matt Cassel to an Elvis Grbac or a Bono.
Stupid ass.

FAX
02-28-2009, 05:43 PM
... I am one of those fans!

How is that stupid?!

It is amazing, Mr. notorious, I must admit.

It's kind of like that phenomenon described in quantum mechanics where the same particle can co-exist in two, distinct, space-time locations simultaneously.

FAX

PhillyChiefFan
02-28-2009, 05:44 PM
Oh no!!!!!

We hired Scott Peterson!!!!!!

ROFL, rep

notorious
02-28-2009, 05:47 PM
It is amazing, Mr. notorious, I must admit.

It's kind of like that phenomenon described in quantum mechanics where the same particle can co-exist in two, distinct, space-time locations simultaneously.

FAX

Pauli Exclusion Principle? Wait, that is what they used to believe.......

jAZ
03-08-2009, 03:26 PM
Mojo? Is that you?

EyePod
03-08-2009, 05:25 PM
I didn't realize that Cassel is considered a veteran... I don't think it's possible to be 26 and be considered a veteran.

soundmind
03-08-2009, 05:28 PM
I didn't realize that Cassel is considered a veteran... I don't think it's possible to be 26 and be considered a veteran.

Dude, after 16 games, you're not only an overpaid veteran, you're on your way out - everyone knows that.

Spicy McHaggis
03-08-2009, 05:51 PM
It's 27 year old QB and a high quality veteran for ONE pick.

Also, the QB did not recently have his knee destroyed.

Mojo Jojo
03-08-2009, 06:11 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

kstater
03-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Where did I same they were the same? Similar, but not the same. Pioli still has a boat load of draft picks in his pocket.



Starting a dumbass thread titled Carl Peterson Part Deux would be my first guess.

Pioli Zombie
03-08-2009, 06:37 PM
Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

What did steve pueller ever do with the cowboys that was remotely close to cassel leading the patriots to an 11-5 record?
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Halfcan
03-08-2009, 06:42 PM
I agree that on paper it is a hell of a value. I got pissed when I heard we traded for Cassel expecting that we gave up a lot. I felt better when they released it was a two players for one pick deal. Eased the pain, but I am still not sold on Cassel.

We have to get a coach that will continue his development. That is key. NE's coaches are light-years ahead of us in terms of handling QB's.

Well we are glad you are feeling better about the trade. STFU

KC Jones
03-08-2009, 08:26 PM
Everyone is Carl Peterson, Carl Peterson is everyone.

Not me, I am the Walrus... Cu Cu Catchu

Lex Luthor
03-08-2009, 08:41 PM
I think the point of this thread is that Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli are both general managers who make trades. Therefore they are the same.

Lex Luthor
03-08-2009, 08:43 PM
What did steve pueller ever do with the cowboys that was remotely close to cassel leading the patriots to an 11-5 record?
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Pelluer is a lot more like Thigpen than Cassel.

ChiTown
03-08-2009, 08:45 PM
Starting a dumbass thread titled Carl Peterson Part Deux would be my first guess.

LMAO

Nice and agreed.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-09-2009, 08:17 AM
Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

Wow, talk about revisionist history. Apparently, you are not one of those that remember.

Steve Pelluer started for 12 games in 1986, he went 4-8, had a 67.9 passer rating and threw 17 ints versus 8 TD's.

He was going to be the starting QB in 1987, but was injured. He was able to play four games in 1987, going 2-2. He managed to throw three TD's and only Two INT's, giving him a whopping QB rating of 75.9. (his best seasonal QB rating as a Cowboy when starting at least one game) In 1988 he was the full time starter. He managed to throw 17 Td's, but also threw 19 interceptions, had a whopping 73.9 passer rating and led the team to a 3-13 record.

Now, lets further delve into this 'trade', that is so similar. The Cowboys were 9-7 and 10-6 in 1984/1985. In 1986, I believe they were 3-1 when Pelluer took over. They went on to post a 7-9 record. (4-8 under Pelluer). The next two years were some of the worst of the Dallas Cowboys organization. Both, Pelluer was a large part of.

Now, lets look even further. Pelluer was HOLDING out from the Cowboys because the Cowboys had drafted two QB's in Aikman and Walsh. The trade wasn't completed until the day of the trading deadline in 1989.

Now, lets look at compensation. Yes, the Chiefs just gave up a high second round pick for Cassel. But, they also got a veteran linebacker. What is Vrabel worth?

It is really hard to say. There were many on this board that thought Vrabel for a fifth or lower was good value. I didn't agree. But, let's just say a seventh round pick. So, subtract out that value, that puts the Chiefs' compensation down around a mid second round pick for Cassel.

In 1989, the Chiefs gave up two picks for Pelluer. An eigth and a fourth. Two things that you need to consider here. In 1990 and 1991, the two drafts that the traded picks came out of, there were fewer teams, (28), AND more teams used the supplemental draft. Colleges were not quite as good at keeping their players eligible back then AND there was no free agency.

So, in 1990, the eighth round pick would actually be a seventh by today's standards. Maybe even as high as a low sixth round pick when we factor in the supplemental picks.

In 1991, (After Pelluer was already a bust here) the Chiefs gave up the 23rd selection in the fourth round. That translates to about the 10th selection in the fourth round today.

Those two picks together probably have a combined value of a mid third round pick.

So, the Chiefs gave up more value to get Cassel by about a full round. But, they also got a guy with a winning record, who was part of a winning organization, who trained behind a HOF QB, who had a good QB rating, who isn't holding out because he is scared of two rookie QB's, and who actually threw more TD's than INT's.

But other than that, the trades are 'very similar'.

Now, Whitlock, get back to writing your ridiculous BS for the star. The readers in here are far too intelligent to be subjected to your slanted whiny BS.

Dr. Facebook Fever
03-09-2009, 08:19 AM
Peterson lied people died. Pioli lied and people were only horribly disfigured.

BigMeatballDave
03-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.Wow. You're fucking retarded. :rolleyes:

SenselessChiefsFan
03-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Pelluer is a lot more like Thigpen than Cassel.

Actually, Thigpen RIGHT NOW, would be considered by most teams to be a better option than Pelluer was back then. I broke it down further for Whitlock, I mean 'mojo', but please don't disrespect Thigpen by comparing him to Pelluer.

Brock
03-09-2009, 08:25 AM
Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.

That's pretty stupid. Nobody cared about Pelluer in KC.

BigMeatballDave
03-09-2009, 08:30 AM
NE's coaches are light-years ahead of us in terms of handling QB's.You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.

burt
03-09-2009, 08:36 AM
Come on guys, it's NOT like Pioli watched the guy in practice for over a year or watched him play a full season leading NE, or anything....... It's just an uncertain gamble by the new GM. :rolleyes::rolleyes:ROFL

SenselessChiefsFan
03-09-2009, 08:54 AM
Come on guys, it's NOT like Pioli watched the guy in practice for over a year or watched him play a full season leading NE, or anything....... It's just an uncertain gamble by the new GM. :rolleyes::rolleyes:ROFL

I have no problem with those that think that this is a gamble.... or even those that think that this will fail. But, to compare him to Steve freaking Pelluer?

Give me a break.

burt
03-09-2009, 09:16 AM
I have no problem with those that think that this is a gamble.... or even those that think that this will fail. But, to compare him to Steve freaking Pelluer?

Give me a break.

My point is, Pioli is VERY familiar with Cassel. If he were trading for a perceived "great Quaterback" that he wasn't SO familier with, it's be agamble. Very little gamble here, and I don't expect failure. Oh, and I still like Thigpen.

notorious
03-09-2009, 11:20 AM
You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.

I do not know this. I will trust history and percentages rather than some-what blind faith, though.

bowener
03-09-2009, 01:12 PM
I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting fucked in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

notorious
03-09-2009, 01:21 PM
I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ****ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

That was very well put. Thanks for your well thought-out reasoning.

bowener
03-09-2009, 01:27 PM
That was very well put. Thanks for your well thought-out reasoning.

Quiet, you! Lest you get me in trouble with the rest of the planet.

burt
03-09-2009, 01:48 PM
Quiet, you! Lest you get me in trouble with the rest of the planet.

Ban him.....I really wish it didn't have to be this way.LMAOLMAO

BigMeatballDave
03-09-2009, 02:26 PM
I do not know this. I will trust history and percentages rather than some-what blind faith, though.You know Carl is gone, right?

R&GHomer
03-09-2009, 05:21 PM
I think the Pioli/Peterson argument is one of bad analogy, at least where these 2 veterans acquired via trade are concerned. In the case of Pioli, he traded for 2 guys that he is extremely familiar with. These players spent their entire (or almost entire) careers under him. He knows all their physical and personal secrets, as well as any chinks in their armor. He has evaluated them for years, not months, not weeks, not on a hunch or word of mouth. Pioli's desire for them does not stem from glitz of monday night cameras, or spotlights (gone dark in the case of the majority of Petersons trades).

Peterson seemed to have a penchant for getting ****ed in trades. He thought he was the one with the 14" strap on when he walked to the trading table, but in reality he was beeing dooped almost every time. He was a schmuck for the most part. A used car salesman on the NFL, passing off aged lemons to the fans as sure-fire winners that would get us over the hump; when in reality, all he was really trying to do was fill his quota of seats for the season. He would trade for 'fan' favorites, or worse, personal favorites of his own, or his coaches. The players aquired rarely came from any first hand experience or coaching from him or his staff, most fit the mold of the "up and comer" a few years after they up and came.

All of this does not mean that Pioli is any better than Peterson, but Pioli at least realized the staff needed to be shit canned with very little hesitation. Peterson never had the balls to do what he should for the team, and that seems to stem from his desire to appease his owner/handler, and not the fans or the franchise itself. He wanted his used car lot to look and feel nice, but he wanted that at bargain basement prices, even if that meant passing off piles of shit as servicable (and then deflecting the blame).

Spot on! Rep

notorious
12-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Hmmmmm..........

Are all the Cassel and Pioli supporters from this thread back in March still sucking their cocks?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-13-2009, 03:00 PM
Crow buffet.

the Talking Can
12-13-2009, 03:04 PM
Crow buffet.

how so?

they aren't the same anymore today than they were yesterday, Cassel playing like shit doesn't change that....

FAX
12-13-2009, 03:09 PM
Bite your mouse, Mr. notorious.

Pioli has a long, long way to go before he can give Carl Peterson serious competition for the Golden Crown of Suck. Don't forget that the King set a record for bad drafts that may stand forever.

FAX

KCChiefsMan
12-13-2009, 03:10 PM
this is their first season. Stop with the idiotic threads.

notorious
12-13-2009, 03:12 PM
Just bumping my shitty thread to re-define the battle line.

Nothing wrong with people admitting they are wrong or have changed their mind.

I just find it funny about the level of bashing that went on. ROFL

Just remember when you make a bold statement or insult that nothing gets deleted, and more then likely it will resurface.

DeezNutz
12-13-2009, 03:13 PM
Peterson was more successful in his early tenure as GM.

KCChiefsMan
12-13-2009, 03:14 PM
Peterson was more successful in his early tenure as GM.

yes, but he still sucks

FAX
12-13-2009, 03:15 PM
Peterson was more successful in his early tenure as GM.

True. He drafted DT and brought in Marty.

Sadly (and by my count, at least), those were and remain the best decisions of his entire tenure.

FAX

DeezNutz
12-13-2009, 03:15 PM
yes, but he still sucks

I would be willing to say there's very little chance that Pioli will be as successful in his first 8 years as GM as Carl was in his.

On his own, Pioli has demonstrated little beyond impressive fail.

Mecca
12-13-2009, 03:16 PM
It's truly pathetic.

notorious
12-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Bite your mouse, Mr. notorious.

Pioli has a long, long way to go before he can give Carl Peterson serious competition for the Golden Crown of Suck. Don't forget that the King set a record for bad drafts that may stand forever.

FAX

He will get his time, I just hope things change a little bit.

BTW I hope to God that things change and this thread gets bumped in a year or two to make me look like an idiot.

I would rather be thought of as a dumb-ass while the Chiefs win then be correct and watch this pile of shit we have on the field.

notorious
12-13-2009, 03:18 PM
yes, but he still sucks

This.

Raised On Riots
12-13-2009, 04:55 PM
I didn't realize that Cassel is considered a veteran... I don't think it's possible to be 26 and be considered a veteran.

I didn't realize that poke salad tasted like shit until I tried it.

Raised On Riots
12-19-2009, 08:43 PM
LeBump.

notorious
12-19-2009, 08:47 PM
Damnit ROR, I was in a nice, pleasant mood until I read some of the posts in this thread.


****.

Now I'm in an even better mood

Raised On Riots
12-19-2009, 08:50 PM
Damnit ROR, I was in a nice, pleasant mood until I read some of the posts in this thread.


Fuck.

I'm sorry. As recompense, I have swung my Mighty Asian Businessman Rep-Stick your way to help try and make amends.:D

notorious
12-19-2009, 08:52 PM
I'm sorry. As recompense, I have swung my Mighty Asian Businessman Rep-Stick your way to help try and make amends.:D

Cool Brotha

BigMeatballDave
12-19-2009, 08:55 PM
You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.:doh!:

BigMeatballDave
12-19-2009, 08:57 PM
You know Carl is gone, right?Heh, doesn't really feel like it at this point...

Raised On Riots
12-19-2009, 08:57 PM
:doh!:

ROFL I was tempted, but I figured it best for you to discover that one on your own.:D

FAX
12-19-2009, 09:01 PM
You don't know this. We'll have a new QB coach this season.

Hooray!!!

Merry Christmas to us!!!

FAX

chiefzilla1501
12-19-2009, 09:05 PM
We will see how he drafts, which is the key to winning the big one. If history is any indication, it will be rough.

We'll see. As I've said many times before, I really like the guy they brought in to do the college scouting. He comes from the Falcons' franchise. While the Pats' recent draft history has been so-so, I really like what the Falcons have done in their recent drafts.

More than people realize, the ability to draft is a product of the scouts. The GM may make final decisions, but it's based on information provided to them. And usually later draft picks and undrafted rookies are very heavily influenced by the scouts--GMs and Personnel Directors don't have the time to do a deep dive into these sleeper picks. Phil Emery's first official draft for the Chiefs will be conducted this April. I don't know if it will be good or bad. But I think this draft will be a lot more representative of what to expect for the next 5 years than the one we saw in 2009.

chiefzilla1501
12-19-2009, 09:08 PM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.


What does everyone else think?

Also, keep in mind that the Pats historically stockpiled picks. They've traded lots of guys from Lawyer Milloy to Deion Branch, as well as done lots of trade downs to add picks. They're usually not the ones trading picks for players.

Maybe Pioli is going toward a different philosophy. I just doubt that this picks for veterans thing is going to be the norm.

notorious
12-19-2009, 09:16 PM
Also, keep in mind that the Pats historically stockpiled picks. They've traded lots of guys from Lawyer Milloy to Deion Branch, as well as done lots of trade downs to add picks. They're usually not the ones trading picks for players.

Maybe Pioli is going toward a different philosophy. I just doubt that this picks for veterans thing is going to be the norm.

Like I have said many times, I hope I am wrong and this thread comes back to make me look like a dumbass.

I hope every day it does. I will take every insult that is dished out with enjoyment because that will mean the Chiefs are winning.

Raised On Riots
12-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Like I have said many times, I hope I am wrong and this thread comes back to make me look like a dumbass.

I hope every day it does. I will take every insult that is dished out with enjoyment because that will mean the Chiefs are winning.

Is it any wonder everybody is so fuckin' cranky? We're all hardcore football fans who can now barely grasp or remember what it was like to great, and we're so fucking starved for a fix, that we look at a game like Pittsburgh with all it's flaws like football crack.

chiefzilla1501
12-19-2009, 09:22 PM
Like I have said many times, I hope I am wrong and this thread comes back to make me look like a dumbass.

I hope every day it does. I will take every insult that is dished out with enjoyment because that will mean the Chiefs are winning.

It would be dumb to insult you. Right now, you're right and I am only hoping that he does some of the things he did in New England and that Emery can bring some of the good things he did in Atlanta (as well as hopefully learning a thing or two from Dimitroff).

But these are only things I'm hoping for. We can only believe it when we actually see it.

notorious
12-19-2009, 09:25 PM
It would be dumb to insult you. Right now, you're right and I am only hoping that he does some of the things he did in New England and that Emery can bring some of the good things he did in Atlanta (as well as hopefully learning a thing or two from Dimitroff).

But these are only things I'm hoping for. We can only believe it when we actually see it.

Atlanta has been getting some decent talent. Any help in that department would be great for the Chiefs.

notorious
04-20-2010, 06:11 PM
It's 27 year old QB and a high quality veteran for ONE pick.

Because 2-14 is wonderful. Pioli is brilliant and I'm not doubting any move he makes.

That you are wrong
Posted via Mobile Device

Did your mother drop you on your head as a child?

JFC. The guys has already cleaned house and gotten us what could be a franchise QB. Will you ****ers never be happy?

He will be the same QB as he was for the Patriots.
DUH!
How can you compare this coaching staff to what we had then is moronic.
Let alone a Matt Cassel to an Elvis Grbac or a Bono.
Stupid ass.

Isn't it funny that one of Carl's first moves was to trade for the top NFL back-up QB. For those of you too you to remember his name was Steve Pelluer, and he played for the Cowboys. The media and the fans were so excited that the Chiefs had a franchise QB to build around. The song remains the same.


Come on guys, it's NOT like Pioli watched the guy in practice for over a year or watched him play a full season leading NE, or anything....... It's just an uncertain gamble by the new GM. :rolleyes::rolleyes:ROFL




LMAO


Alright Pioli, here is your chance to fix this.


Bring in Clausen, and if you can't bring yourself to take a shot at a championship someday, pick Berry. At least he won't be a total ****ing joke.

Count Zarth
04-20-2010, 06:16 PM
Mike Vrabel is a high quality veteran.

Did he fight in Iraq?

BigMeatballDave
04-20-2010, 06:16 PM
LMAO


Alright Pioli, here is your chance to fix this.


Bring in Clausen, and if you can't bring yourself to take a shot at a championship someday, pick Berry. At least he won't be a total fucking joke.Did you notice I already discovered my mistake back in december?

Tribal Warfare
04-20-2010, 06:21 PM
If this is another "safe" draft, I expect more below average outings from KC because of the simple fact that they are afraid to fail or bust on a pick on a player with elite talent.

OnTheWarpath58
04-20-2010, 06:22 PM
Crow buffet.

LMAO

notorious
04-20-2010, 06:29 PM
Did you notice I already discovered my mistake back in december?

My apologies.

I removed you from the walk of shame.

notorious
11-23-2011, 07:42 AM
It's time again..........

Deberg_1990
11-23-2011, 07:46 AM
This all seems very familiar. Carl liked to trade picks for veterans that got everyone excited. The only difference is that it looks like Pioli spent a little less in terms of draft picks to get them.


With that said I am not a fan of Cassel.




What does everyone else think?

Wow, nice bump......Notorious was a prophet!

kysirsoze
11-23-2011, 07:50 AM
Carl Traded for Trent Green at early 30s for a first rounder. Pioli got a 26 year old qb and a starting LB for a 2nd round. Nuff said

If only we got the value Carl got in that trade. :huh:

notorious
11-23-2011, 07:51 AM
Wow, nice bump......Notorious was a prophet!

Probably the only thing I have been right about......


....and I wish I was wrong.


Keep reading, I posted a horrifically dumbass statement myself. Nobody is safe. LMAO

GloryDayz
11-23-2011, 07:55 AM
I think you're an idiot.

You shut your pie hole numbnuts!!! God, I can tolerate ignorance, but you're the suck-up ingnorant type. Go lick Clark bucket boy!

SenselessChiefsFan
11-23-2011, 08:01 AM
I notice this didn't get bumped last year, when Cassel was offensive player of the month, or after last season when the Chiefs won the division and Cassel went to the Pro Bowl.

I am still a fan of the trade. I am still in favor of NOT drafting Sanchez.

Now, do I want an upgrade over Cassel? Yes, please. Do I blame him for the Chiefs being 4-6? No.

Cassel is what I thought he was. A hard worker that will do what the coaches ask and that can be successful when surrounded with talent.

A second round pick for Cassel is still much better than what teams normally give up for a QB. Look at the Palmer trade. Look at the Kolb trade. Look at the AJ Feeley trade. I know there are others.

Heck, look at the Trent Green trade.

The Texans gave up far more for Schaub, who has not even won a division.

The price was on par with what the Chiefs got. A servicable starting QB.

Count Zarth
11-23-2011, 08:58 AM
My point is, Pioli is VERY familiar with Cassel. If he were trading for a perceived "great Quaterback" that he wasn't SO familier with, it's be agamble. Very little gamble here, and I don't expect failure. Oh, and I still like Thigpen.

Great post. Sharp football mind at work.

doomy3
11-23-2011, 09:48 AM
You shut your pie hole numbnuts!!! God, I can tolerate ignorance, but you're the suck-up ingnorant type. Go lick Clark bucket boy!

What the fuck is wrong with you? Yes, I am sucking up to Clark on a fucking message board. Yes, that's it.

You have to be the dumbest motherfucker to post on any message board.

doomy3
11-23-2011, 09:51 AM
The problem with 2009, IMO, is STILL not the Cassel trade. It is that we blew the pick we had on Tyson Jackson. If we choose Raji or someone else with value there instead, then the Cassel trade was still a good trade. If people are crucifying Pioli over something, it should be that, not that he didn't pick Mark Sanchez at #3 overall. That would have been a disaster as well. Let's see what happens when we have a chance at a true franchise QB, not someone like Sanchez. If Pioli doesn't pick him, then the Carl comparisons could make some sense.

notorious
11-23-2011, 11:27 AM
I will say this, Pioli hasn't gone the free agent or trade route near as much as Carl. We have played our young guys which were already here when Pioli got here.

Rausch
11-23-2011, 11:30 AM
I will say this, Pioli hasn't gone the free agent or trade route near as much as Carl. We have played our young guys which were already here when Pioli got here.

So you completely disagree with the whole point of this thread?

Chiefnj2
11-23-2011, 11:31 AM
The problem with 2009, IMO, is STILL not the Cassel trade. It is that we blew the pick we had on Tyson Jackson. If we choose Raji or someone else with value there instead, then the Cassel trade was still a good trade. If people are crucifying Pioli over something, it should be that, not that he didn't pick Mark Sanchez at #3 overall. That would have been a disaster as well. Let's see what happens when we have a chance at a true franchise QB, not someone like Sanchez. If Pioli doesn't pick him, then the Carl comparisons could make some sense.

Freeman with the number would have been okay. He could have grabbed Cody the next year instead of Dex.

doomy3
11-23-2011, 11:33 AM
Freeman with the number would have been okay. He could have grabbed Cody the next year instead of Dex.

Yeah, he would have been OK. I don't really want an OK QB to be our franchise QB. Matt Cassel is OK too. Freeman is better than Cassel, but isn't a guy that is going to put this team over the top either.

Rausch
11-23-2011, 11:36 AM
Yeah, he would have been OK. I don't really want an OK QB to be our franchise QB. Matt Cassel is OK too. Freeman is better than Cassel, but isn't a guy that is going to put this team over the top either.

Last chance for an old Freeman reference!

notorious
11-23-2011, 11:59 AM
So you completely disagree with the whole point of this thread?

Nope, the original post was before the 09' draft. Pioli sure as hell started out like Peterson, but since the cupboard was fairly well stocked with talent on defense, he hasn't had to go free agent crazy on that side of the ball.

notorious
03-09-2012, 06:38 PM
Hmmmmmmm.


Scary how similar this situation is.

Psyko Tek
03-09-2012, 07:11 PM
wtf everybody loves Cassel
fuck manning
fuck orton
fuck draft picks

just go with what they tell you

pilololoiii has got this

notorious
09-30-2012, 08:25 PM
**** it, I want all of the Cassel and Pioli supporters to be burned at the ****ing stake.


BUMP