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Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 04:06 AM
WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT!

Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco

The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler.

If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself.

Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do.

The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver.

"I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded.

The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently front and center in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel.

The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then.

This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel.

McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end.

All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler."

Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach.

Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder.

If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen.

And where is the new general manager reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations.

And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon.

This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it.

Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded.

Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted.

A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls.

Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up.

And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy."

Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback."

McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a be still, our hearts a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler.

What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 04:10 AM
Carl Peterson was never this inept.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 04:12 AM
I FIRED MIKE SHANAHAN

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2006/12/bowlen.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-01-2009, 04:18 AM
The guy is from the Parcells/Belichick tree. You can't question his credentials or moves. Like Crennel, Weis, Mangini, and Al Groh.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 04:20 AM
The guy is from the Parcells/Belichick tree. You can't question his credentials or moves. Like Crennel, Weis, Mangini, and Al Groh.

When people do something REALLY DUMB, it's obvious to everyone. Everyone.

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 04:45 AM
Denver's coach wants Kansas City's QB.


awesome

Guru
03-01-2009, 05:23 AM
ROFL ROFL

And it keeps getting better.

How's the Mange?

Von Dumbass
03-01-2009, 05:24 AM
Denver's coach wants Kansas City's QB.


awesome

The Chiefs were the only team who wanted Cassel. Detroit and Tampa Bay were trying to get Cassel so they could trade for Cutler and Denver turned it down.

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 05:29 AM
The Chiefs were the only team who wanted Cassel. Detroit and Tampa Bay were trying to get Cassel so they could trade for Cutler and Denver turned it down.

how's it make you feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

old_geezer
03-01-2009, 05:45 AM
Carl Peterson was never this inept.


I disagree.

wazu
03-01-2009, 06:43 AM
And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Very clever.

Fritz88
03-01-2009, 06:50 AM
Donks fail, lovely.

The only good news is that even Josh was interested in Cassel which means that hopefully our new QB has something really good to offer, otherwise why would they even consider trading a pro bowl QB.

warrior
03-01-2009, 07:37 AM
Discontent in donk land love it. :D

DeezNutz
03-01-2009, 07:42 AM
Denver's coach wants Kansas City's QB.


awesome

That's the best part of this whole Cassel acquisition thus far.

Denver, tell us how our asses taste.

rad
03-01-2009, 07:46 AM
The Chiefs were the only team who wanted Cassel. Detroit and Tampa Bay were trying to get Cassel so they could trade for Cutler and Denver turned it down.

Oh yeah?

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk.com that Jay Cutler was at one point as good as "gone" during three-team trade talks that ultimately fell through Saturday
It appears Josh McDaniels wanted Matt Cassel bad and either the Lions or Bucs were ready to fork over a first-round pick plus for Cutler. Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, says the Broncos "just told me that only inquiries were being made." "Jay Cutler is pissed, no doubt about it," Cook added. "I wouldn't blame him. Cutler is the best young quarterback in the entire league."
Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140424&id=3608

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 07:47 AM
That's the best part of this whole Cassel acquisition thus far.

Denver, tell us how our asses taste.

I bet McDaniels has Friended Cassel, but not Cutler....

rad
03-01-2009, 07:48 AM
Oh yeah?

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk.com that Jay Cutler was at one point as good as "gone" during three-team trade talks that ultimately fell through Saturday
It appears Josh McDaniels wanted Matt Cassel bad and either the Lions or Bucs were ready to fork over a first-round pick plus for Cutler. Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, says the Broncos "just told me that only inquiries were being made." "Jay Cutler is pissed, no doubt about it," Cook added. "I wouldn't blame him. Cutler is the best young quarterback in the entire league."
Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140424&id=3608


Suck a fat one, Bronco scum 43214321

Mecca
03-01-2009, 07:48 AM
Of course he wanted Cassell it's about familiarity, he's going to be teaching Cutler stuff that he already taught Cassell plus coaches feel more comfortable with "their guys".

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 07:50 AM
Of course he wanted Cassell it's about familiarity, he's going to be teaching Cutler stuff that he already taught Cassell plus coaches feel more comfortable with "their guys".

geez could you guys be any less fun?

Mecca
03-01-2009, 07:52 AM
geez could you guys be any less fun?

LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 07:55 AM
LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.

so your answer is "yes"....yes you can be even less fun

Mecca
03-01-2009, 07:57 AM
Would you rather me talk about Jay Cutlers child molester haircut?

DeezNutz
03-01-2009, 08:00 AM
so your answer is "yes"....yes you can be even less fun

ROFL

I agree. Time to sit back and enjoy the minor clusterfuck that's happening in Denver.

Everything will work out, probably. But it's a little fucked up now, and I like it.

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:03 AM
ROFL

I agree. Time to sit back and enjoy the minor clusterfuck that's happening in Denver.

Everything will work out, probably. But it's a little fucked up now, and I like it.

Maybe he was upset that McDaniels turned down his molester advances.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 08:07 AM
Would you rather me talk about Jay Cutlers child molester haircut?

You're talking haircuts...

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:08 AM
You're talking haircuts...

Atleast mine doesn't make me look like a cross between a stoner and a child molester.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 08:09 AM
Atleast mine doesn't make me look like a cross between a stoner and a child molester.

True, not much of a stoner look...

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:09 AM
True, not much of a stoner look...

Hey hey stoner is better than stoned child molester.

KC Jones
03-01-2009, 08:18 AM
Atleast mine doesn't make me look like a cross between a stoner and a child molester.

** cough cough **

rad
03-01-2009, 08:19 AM
Hey hey stoner is better than stoned child molester.

I didn't know child molesters had exclusive haircuts.........but I know all about the "pornstar moustache".


Plummer had one of those.

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:20 AM
** cough cough **

I hope you know I'm not posting in a serious fashion.

Al Bundy
03-01-2009, 08:21 AM
The Donks are in the top 5 of teams I hate.. so whenever something is a miss over there it brings me great pleasure.

mylittlepony
03-01-2009, 08:25 AM
Would you rather me talk about Jay Cutlers child molester haircut?

ROFLROFLROFL
Made me think of this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:27 AM
ROFLROFLROFL
Made me think of this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU

Yes that guy is great.

Pablo
03-01-2009, 08:29 AM
The Chiefs were the only team who wanted Cassel. Detroit and Tampa Bay were trying to get Cassel so they could trade for Cutler and Denver turned it down.Our new QB can eat cake icing straight out of the jar.

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:30 AM
Our new QB can eat cake icing straight out of the jar.

But can he eat that jelly and peanut butter mix shit?

Pablo
03-01-2009, 08:32 AM
But can he eat that jelly and peanut butter mix shit?Probably not...only a stoner (like Cutler) could stomach that garbage.

Deberg_1990
03-01-2009, 08:36 AM
Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

Mecca
03-01-2009, 08:37 AM
Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

Well teaching him his system is probably one...

DeezNutz
03-01-2009, 08:39 AM
Well teaching him his system is probably one...

As much as I love Cutler's talent and upside, he does have a propensity to shit himself at least once per game.

It's strange. Dude can be nails, and then make one of the dumbest decisions in the world. His INT that ended the Pro-Bowl--I know, I know, worthless fucking game, but it serves a purpose here--is an example of what I mean.

Pablo
03-01-2009, 08:39 AM
Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? HmmmmYeah, his Spicoli impersonation wasn't quite spot-on...McDaniels doesn't have time for QB's that can't act like guys they look like.

Al Bundy
03-01-2009, 08:40 AM
By the way does the Administrator for the Orange Mane post over here?

stevieray
03-01-2009, 08:45 AM
Whitty and Woody sitting in a tree

P I S S I N G

first comes a shove
then disparage
then comes
whining in a bitchfest marriage

KcMizzou
03-01-2009, 08:47 AM
By the way does the Administrator for the Orange Mane post over here?Now and then... Taco John

Al Bundy
03-01-2009, 08:51 AM
Now and then... Taco John

Ohh ok... I have had an account sitting over there that they never activated.

Pablo
03-01-2009, 08:53 AM
Ohh ok... I have had an account sitting over there that they never activated.You can usually find him over in DC, but you have to put on a pair of waders and a bird-flu mask to come outta there disease-free.

Ultra Peanut
03-01-2009, 09:02 AM
Our new QB can eat cake icing straight out of the jar.Holy shit.

DTLB58
03-01-2009, 09:03 AM
Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

Yup, And I'm loving it :D

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 09:10 AM
Lets start this with Cutler is better then Cassel. But is that a big deal? Cassel has had less time to prove what he can do. You can't really make the argument that Cassel was only good because of his wideouts when arguing the two because Cutler has also got some really good ones. Cutler doesn't, at least where I'm sitting, have very good leadership qualitys. But he can throw the ball a long long way I'll give him that. So saying Cassel is better right now is just not accurate but saying Cutler is the best yong QB is STUPID. Neither has made it to the playoffs but Cutler has fell apart when the shits on the line, not to say Cassel won't but Cutler has. This debate will be played out on the field no doubt about it. But for any one to say There is no way you trade Cutler and end up with Cassel is ignorant so far neither has done any thing the only reason Cutler is considered better is he has more playing time.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 09:38 AM
Cassell had a great season in 2008... statistically, so did Cutler.

The difference between the two, for the most part... NE had a better running game and a MUCH better defense across the board. It's never the fault of one guy.

So, Cutler needs to man up and just move on and hope that the new regime can fix the defense. So far so good, nothing flashy... but I like it.

Cassell is moving from a very well run franchise with a solid OL... top WR threats and a top 10 defense, to a team that doesn't have all of that. So, KC has a lot of things to improve on before Cassell 2009 is Cassell 2008.

The 2009 season will be very interesting for both KC and Denver.

wild1
03-01-2009, 10:08 AM
It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.

Stinger
03-01-2009, 10:12 AM
How's the Mange?

It has been non-stop comedy for a day and a half now. Epic and I mean Epic melt downs........ LMAO LMAO LMAO

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:16 AM
It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.

Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

rad
03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Has cutler played in the playoffs?

wild1
03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

well, the thrust of this whole situation is this. Cutler does not yet have the maturity to be a professional in this league. Here is a guy who probably coasted in high school, and at Vandy, just on talent. He gets to the NFL and has a coach who is gaga over him and he's the golden boy his entire life up until yesterday. Yesterday, he gets a dose of the real world and that football is a business, and now he's throwing a temper tantrum.

We see them on the field from him, now we see it here too. Whomever coaches him next needs to work not only on coaching him as a QB but also as a man.

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 10:21 AM
It's hard for me to understand why the fan base is so married to Cutler. If the head coach prefers another team's backup, or is willing to flip him for picks and just start over, maybe there is something there? In any case Bowlen is not going anywhere, the GM is not going anywhere, McDaniels is not going anywhere. Get used to the idea.

If Cutler wants to continue being a baby - which I know is par for the course for him - then he's going to mouth his way out of Denver. If he were untouchable, he wouldn't be having this conversation. He needs to come to terms with the fact that he's not untouchable - he's an average NFL QB and is not untradeable and does not have the franchise hanging from his jock.

Time for a dose of reality for the (former) golden boy I suppose.
I agree with this to a point. Where you lose me is the idea that Cutler is the only QB to have deal with a bad defense. Th donks this year were the 2003 chiefs and even Green was able to lead them to the playoffs. And also this year Drew Brees dealt with the same issue and put up HUGE numbers compared to Cutler. So yea the donks were one sided but again I don't understand why any body thinks Cutler has been any thing other then above average at best. The guys got a long long way to go to prove any different.

wild1
03-01-2009, 10:23 AM
I agree with this to a point. Where you lose me is the idea that Cutler is the only QB to have deal with a bad defense. Th donks this year were the 2003 chiefs and even Green was able to lead them to the playoffs. And also this year Drew Brees dealt with the same issue and put up HUGE numbers compared to Cutler. So yea the donks were one sided but again I don't understand why any body thinks Cutler has been any thing other then above average at best. The guys got a long long way to go to prove any different.

I didn't contrast him and the others in his class. He's a nice QB... I think he'll be an above average NFL QB for as long as is in the league.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:28 AM
I don't disagree with most of what has been said, but by the comments from most last season.. The Chargers as a team were better than Denver, same with Dallas and they were expected to do much better.

Rivers is a hell of a QB and had a strong year... all that is wrong in Denver cannot and should not lie at the feet of Cutler. Yes, he needs to grow up a bit... the same had to happen for Rivers and it has to happen with Romo too.

I've never said or implied that Cutler is at that 'great' stage... he's better than half the QBs in the league, but he's got a lot to work on.

Dayze
03-01-2009, 10:31 AM
Yes that guy is great.

I think this guy and Demonpenz are related.


:D

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 10:32 AM
Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

Rivers is better, you know the whole playing in and winning play off games is what matters. And even Romo has made it to the play offs so you have to put him slightly above Cutler. Of course they all fail to compare to Eli, you can throw out all the stats you want. Eli showed up when it mattered and until any of the others get a ring they aren't in the conversation.

DaWolf
03-01-2009, 10:32 AM
Cutler is in a group of young QBs that have played well, have nice stats and have done nothing in the playoffs... see Rivers and Romo for two other selections to that group. Some will say that Cutler doesn't belong in the same conversation as Rivers and Romo, but all I ask is what's the real difference in the 3 of them? Neither of them has done anything of note in the playoffs.

Well, Rivers has actually won a few games. Cutler, right now, is a guy who to me turns the ball over way too much, and at the worst times. McDaniels probably saw this too and was thinking he prefers a guy without a loud mouth who will take care of the ball...

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:35 AM
Rivers is better, you know the whole playing in and winning play off games is what matters. And even Romo has made it to the play offs so you have to put him slightly above Cutler. Of course they all fail to compare to Eli, you can throw out all the stats you want. Eli showed up when it mattered and until any of the others get a ring they aren't in the conversation.

So, riddle me this... Plummer played in and won playoff games in AZ and in Denver, so is he better than Rivers or Romo?

I get what you're saying, but in my opinion they're all huddled up in the same grouping of NFL QBs until one of them proves they are consistently great and their teams win in the playoffs.

wild1
03-01-2009, 10:37 AM
you can't judge a QB on wins in the playoffs alone. he's just a part of that equation. by that logic dan marino would be significantly inferior to jim kelly.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:43 AM
Well, Rivers has actually won a few games. Cutler, right now, is a guy who to me turns the ball over way too much, and at the worst times. McDaniels probably saw this too and was thinking he prefers a guy without a loud mouth who will take care of the ball...

Hey, Rivers is 2-1 in the playoffs and you can't take that from him... it didn't hurt that he had a nice defense and a guy named LT rushing for more than 3200 yards and 43 TDs during those seasons either. That goes back to my "it's a team" statement.

What happened in 2008? LT fell off the map, their team struggled and they won a weak AFCW at 8-8.

In 2008, Cutler had nice stats... the team as a whole sucked. Cutler threw for more than 4500 yds, 25 TDs and 18 INTs... too high on the INTs.

Cassell threw for nearly 3700 yds, 21 TDs and 11 INTs. Very nice stats with a much better team in a tougher division and they didn't advance with 11 wins.

Rivers had just over 4,000 yards... 34 TDs and only 11 INTs - very very good season and he was the reason they won for the most part. It was Rivers' 5th season and he broke out with the best year statistically that he has had in SD.

Cutler was in his 3rd season in 2008... so, he's in the same developmental learning curve that Rivers has progressed through at this point in their careers. So, I'm not concerned at all about his upside. The Broncos have a lot of talent on offense and I like the future with Cutler.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:44 AM
you can't judge a QB on wins in the playoffs alone. he's just a part of that equation. by that logic dan marino would be significantly inferior to jim kelly.

Ok, but people are wanting to do that with regular season success... my whole point is that it is a team deal, but as we all know the blame and success falls to the HC and the QB.

DaneMcCloud
03-01-2009, 10:45 AM
LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.

Cutler never had a winning season in college and he hasn't had a winning season in the NFL.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 10:46 AM
Cutler never had a winning season in college and he hasn't had a winning season in the NFL.

Heh... guess they should bench him. I like how folks mix in when to use the 'team' aspect of this scenario. Cutler was the SEC offensive player of the year once, very tough to achieve on a sucky team. And, he's played well in the NFL so far.

2009 is his 3rd full year as 'the starting QB'... I like the future.

KcMizzou
03-01-2009, 10:48 AM
Heh... guess they should bench him.
Or trade him.

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 11:56 AM
So, riddle me this... Plummer played in and won playoff games in AZ and in Denver, so is he better than Rivers or Romo?

I get what you're saying, but in my opinion they're all huddled up in the same grouping of NFL QBs until one of them proves they are consistently great and their teams win in the playoffs.

So far I would say Plummer proved he was better then what Romo has done thus far. Rivers on the other hand has proven time and time again to be much better then Plummer. Yes they are all huddled together I agree but giving what he did last year you have to put Cassel in that group. taking plummer out of the argument I think it would have to be.....
1. Manning
then a drop off....
2.Rivers
3.Romo
4.a. Cutler, b. Cassel

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 11:58 AM
So far I would say Plummer proved he was better then what Romo has done thus far. Rivers on the other hand has proven time and time again to be much better then Plummer. Yes they are all huddled together I agree but giving what he did last year you have to put Cassel in that group. taking plummer out of the argument I think it would have to be.....
1. Manning
then a drop off....
2.Rivers
3.Romo
4.a. Cutler, b. Cassel

There's a half dozen or so QBs in that mix... we'll see how Cassel does outside of NE in his new environment, it's a bit of a change. KC will make a number of moves to improve... Bowe and Gonzo are great targets, so we'll see what happens.

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 12:07 PM
There's a half dozen or so QBs in that mix... we'll see how Cassel does outside of NE in his new environment, it's a bit of a change. KC will make a number of moves to improve... Bowe and Gonzo are great targets, so we'll see what happens.

Once again agreed. Cassel won't have the WR's he had in NE, no one can argue that. But even if you only believe Cassel is a "system QB"(and I'm not saying this is your argument-but it is mine)he is going to be playing in that same system. Time will tell. The season will be a lot more exciting. All of this being said right now Cutler is in the better spot, even if Cassel picks up right where he left off he won't have half the line or any where near the weapons he had in NE. Unless of course you guys are willing to do Pioli a favor and give us a certain WR for a second rounder, ha ha.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 12:16 PM
Ha! I would like to keep the DEN offense as it is... only adding to it, not subtracting.

I think KC has a hell of a QB in the making, once they get the system set and the players upgraded at a few spots... look out. KC and Denver are on the road to improvement, SD will be good again and Oakland... well, who knows.

I like the directions that our two teams seem to be going, I would like to see the AFCW once again be dominant.

MGRS13
03-01-2009, 12:19 PM
Ha! I would like to keep the DEN offense as it is... only adding to it, not subtracting.

I think KC has a hell of a QB in the making, once they get the system set and the players upgraded at a few spots... look out. KC and Denver are on the road to improvement, SD will be good again and Oakland... well, who knows.

I like the directions that our two teams seem to be going, I would like to see the AFCW once again be dominant.Its gonna be fun. Their is getting to be a lot of young talent in the AFCW across the board. Could be just as many wow moments as what the hell was he doing moments.

orange
03-01-2009, 12:37 PM
At least mine doesn't make me look like a cross between a stoner and a child molester.

Excuse me, but I don't buy that at all. I've had long hair about 60% of the time since 1970 and whenever it's long, I'm constantly approached by drug peddlars.

You DO look like the stoner half of that whether you want to admit it or not. ;)

orange
03-01-2009, 12:40 PM
how's it make you feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

How does it feel knowing your two-year scheming and dreaming for a hot new DRAFTED quarterback of KC's very own has come up ashes?

Should the Drafturbators now be known as the Castrubators?

orange
03-01-2009, 12:46 PM
You can usually find him over in DC, but you have to put on a pair of waders and a bird-flu mask to come outta there disease-free.

I keep mine right next to the desk here for easy access.

alanm
03-01-2009, 12:50 PM
LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.Every time I see the guy he looks like he's perpetually stoned.

googlegoogle
03-01-2009, 12:56 PM
This all stems from the new head coach there.

A new system causes the domino's to fall. I bet he loves Cassel. And doesn't care for huge arm strength in their new offensive system.

BradyFTW!
03-01-2009, 12:56 PM
Any team that's willing to bend over backwards to accommodate the whims of an immature, mistake-prone QB needs to get its head out of its ass. IMO McDaniels should have just said "yeah, I considered trading you. If you want to be mad about it, prove that I was wrong by not throwing 18 interceptions next year." If the players were really ready to stage a revolt, then **** em. You don't establish a winning culture by letting the players undermine the coach, and nobody on the Broncos' roster is good enough that that's worth putting up with anyways. They finished 8-8 last year and got absolutely crushed by McDaniels' old team, so it's not like they know something that he doesn't.

JuicesFlowing
03-01-2009, 01:18 PM
All newspaper reporters are brilliant. They are qualified to be GMs, that's why they write for newspapers.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 01:28 PM
I have tired head reading all this stuff... all I can do is hope for it blows over, they play nice and kick ass in 2009 and beyond.

Cutler is a nice QB and makes some great plays.

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The KC LB was paying respects to Easy Ed McCaffery...

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Chiefshrink
03-01-2009, 01:47 PM
well, the thrust of this whole situation is this. Cutler does not yet have the maturity to be a professional in this league. Here is a guy who probably coasted in high school, and at Vandy, just on talent. He gets to the NFL and has a coach who is gaga over him and he's the golden boy his entire life up until yesterday. Yesterday, he gets a dose of the real world and that football is a business, and now he's throwing a temper tantrum.

We see them on the field from him, now we see it here too. Whomever coaches him next needs to work not only on coaching him as a QB but also as a man.

You nailed it !!!! Here is my reply to Sandy Clough a sports talk show guy here in Denver on in the afternoons at 104.3 The Fan from 3-7.


A former shrink's perspective:

Cutler's physical ability is the best in the NFL IMO. The kid just needs to 'grow up' and get mentally tough and realize he is not the center of the universe himself and that his team comes first by him being a true leader of sacrifice therefore becoming that centerpiece he covets. He just hasn't figured this out yet.

I don't think Bowlen will let that happen - trading Cutler that is. I get your point about the trust part and why you think he MUST be traded now out of a weaker position.

But here me out on this one; if Cutler's emotional maturity level was well beyond his years then I agree he must be traded because a mature person sees through the BS if that is what is really going on here.

But because I was a "shrink" for 15yrs prior to what I am doing now, I really feel that Josh could repair this relationship soley based on Jay's extreme narcissism(emotional immaturity) not being able to see through all the BS because Jay's eyes have always been on himself(and moreso now) and because of his emotional immaturity(extreme narcissism) Jay can't come to grips that HIS new coach doesn't want him and thus makes it easier for Josh to recieve a pass and all is well(whether it was due to rookie GM issues or truly really wanting to trade him or trying to send a "grow up" message).

This might well be a true blessing in disquise that forces Cutler and McDaniel to grow up NOW!!! and will motivate Cutler to play 'lights out'.

You watch this will be patched up in no time at all due to Jay's extreme narcissism that Josh will take advantage of IMO.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 01:53 PM
I mentioned yesterday that while this is a bag of hell now... this could be better for them in the long run, if Jay and McDaniels do it right. Jay has never really feared his role on the team... it's obvious that isn't the case now. So, even if they never were going to trade him... he and everyone else knows that everyone has a chance of being replaced.

They have a partially fractured relationship to start off, so there's nowhere to go but up really... and I think they can easily make that happen. Jay mentioned as much yesterday.

bowener
03-01-2009, 02:17 PM
Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!11!

http://kylelibra.com/gateblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/diabeetus.jpg

McDaniels is scared it will rub off on him.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Carl Peterson was never this inept.

I FIRED MIKE SHANAHAN

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2006/12/bowlen.jpg

This has got to be the best day for a Bronco hater in recent memory. I mean Shanahan's firing was beautiful, but this is just icing on the cake. They are quickly descending to Raiders status.

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 02:26 PM
This has got to be the best day for a Bronco hater in recent memory. I mean Shanahan's firing was beautiful, but this is just icing on the cake. They are quickly descending to Raiders status.

Enh, by the time training camp rolls around, everything will be good... Jay will still be the QB in Denver and they'll be moving in the right direction.

FAX
03-01-2009, 02:32 PM
Well, all I have to say is that I don't necessarily wish the goats ill. I wish them ill plus several additional incurable diseases of the crotch. To think that the national media are calling for a firing of their head coach couldn't be more hilarious. Poor goats.

As for Cutler, it's good to see him handling this incorrectly although I wouldn't have expected anything different. With any luck, this animosity will spread throughout the entire organization and persist for years. You go, girl.

FAX

BigChiefFan
03-01-2009, 02:34 PM
Wow, the implosion has already begun.

the Talking Can
03-01-2009, 02:36 PM
Denver's coach wants KC's QB.


ha ha

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 02:36 PM
Well, all I have to say is that I don't necessarily wish the goats ill. I wish them ill plus several additional incurable diseases of the crotch. To think that the national media are calling for a firing of their head coach couldn't be more hilarious. Poor goats.

As for Cutler, it's good to see him handling this incorrectly although I wouldn't have expected anything different. With any luck, this animosity will spread throughout the entire organization and persist for years. You go, girl.

FAX

It's Woody Paige... he likes to stir the pot.

FAX
03-01-2009, 02:38 PM
It's Woody Paige... he likes to stir the pot.

Oh, I know, Mr. Mile High Mania. This makes a good headline and it will probably all blow over. But a guy can dream.

FAX

munkey
03-01-2009, 02:50 PM
It's Woody Paige... he likes to stir the pot.

Yep - Woody Paige = Jason Whitlock

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Enh, by the time training camp rolls around, everything will be good... Jay will still be the QB in Denver and they'll be moving in the right direction.

There's no place like home...there's no place like home...

http://toddyenglish.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/ruby_slippers11.jpg

SoCalBronco
03-01-2009, 03:32 PM
Actually, Xanders saved us from this nightmare.

McDaniels does need to resign, though. If he won't, the players need a full scale insurrection against him. They need to openly defy him and make it unbearable for him to continue.

Bowser
03-01-2009, 03:33 PM
Actually, Xanders saved us from this nightmare.

McDaniels does need to resign, though. If he won't, the players need a full scale insurrection against him. They need to openly defy him and make it unbearable for him to continue.

LMAO

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Actually, Xanders saved us from this nightmare.

McDaniels does need to resign, though. If he won't, the players need a full scale insurrection against him. They need to openly defy him and make it unbearable for him to continue.

This is AWESOME!

PIOLI IS LIKE PALPATINE!

Sure-Oz
03-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Actually, Xanders saved us from this nightmare.

McDaniels does need to resign, though. If he won't, the players need a full scale insurrection against him. They need to openly defy him and make it unbearable for him to continue.

Smart move by bowlen for canning Shanny.

ClevelandBronco
03-01-2009, 03:35 PM
Here's the thing you need to understand:

You don't know shit about football just because you pretend to be a writer.

Woody Paige drank his brain out. It's gone.

Woody was at one time a better writer than you'll ever meet, you amateur.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 03:37 PM
Here's the thing you need to understand:

You don't know shit about football just because you pretend to be a writer.

Woody Paige drank his brain out. It's gone.

Woody was at one time a better writer than you'll ever meet, you amateur.

Did...I....

TOUCH A NERVE?

ClevelandBronco
03-01-2009, 03:40 PM
Did...I....TOUCH A NERVE?

Ahhh, nope.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-01-2009, 03:44 PM
ROFLROFLROFL
Made me think of this video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU

LMAO That was awesome.

Von Dumbass
03-01-2009, 08:53 PM
Oh yeah?

A source with knowledge of the situation tells Profootballtalk.com that Jay Cutler was at one point as good as "gone" during three-team trade talks that ultimately fell through Saturday
It appears Josh McDaniels wanted Matt Cassel bad and either the Lions or Bucs were ready to fork over a first-round pick plus for Cutler. Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, says the Broncos "just told me that only inquiries were being made." "Jay Cutler is pissed, no doubt about it," Cook added. "I wouldn't blame him. Cutler is the best young quarterback in the entire league."
Source: Profootballtalk.com

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=140424&id=3608
You can listen to what PFT says all you want. I like to listen to credible sources like Adam Schefter, you know.... The guy who said Shanahan wasn't going to come to KC even though everybody else said that "THE DEAL IS DONE".

BigRock
03-01-2009, 09:06 PM
You can listen to what PFT says all you want. I like to listen to credible sources like Adam Schefter

How about Jay Cutler? Is he a credible enough source for you?

The Denver Broncos want Jay Cutler to return for a little sit down to mend fences after the team's reported failed attempt to trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel. Cutler won't have any of it after the two sides spoke by telephone Sunday.

"They want me to come in and talk to 'em but I'm not doing it right now; I'm going to lay low," said Cutler. "The deny everything. That's a problem. [B]We know for a fact they tried to trade me."

Von Dumbass
03-01-2009, 09:08 PM
How about Jay Cutler? Is he a credible enough source for you?

Teams inquired about Cutler. Denver listened, decided the deal wasn't good enough and then the deal was off. What is so hard to understand about that?

BigRock
03-01-2009, 09:12 PM
Teams inquired about Cutler. Denver listened, decided the deal wasn't good enough and then the deal was off. What is so hard to understand about that?

Are you hard of reading?

Jay Cutler:

WE
KNOW
FOR
A
FACT
THEY
TRIED
TO
TRADE
ME

Your head-buried-in-the-sand "Denver only took a call and passed on it" scenario has exploded. JAY CUTLER is calling it bullshit.

orange
03-01-2009, 09:12 PM
How about Jay Cutler? Is he a credible enough source for you?The Denver Broncos want Jay Cutler to return for a little sit down to mend fences after the team's reported failed attempt to trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel. Cutler won't have any of it after the two sides spoke by telephone Sunday.

"They want me to come in and talk to 'em but I'm not doing it right now; I'm going to lay low," said Cutler. "The [Broncos] deny everything. That's a problem. We know for a fact they tried to trade me."

I read that interview but I can't remember where. I do remember a lot of quotes by his agent, "Bus" Cook. He sounded like he's angling for renegotiation.

Can you post the rest of that (or link)?

StcChief
03-01-2009, 09:14 PM
problems in Donxs land, the offseason just keeps getting better. :)

orange
03-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Here's a good discussion on Schefter's blog.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f041dd

Von Dumbass
03-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Are you hard of reading?

Jay Cutler:

WE
KNOW
FOR
A
FACT
THEY
TRIED
TO
TRADE
ME

Your head-buried-in-the-sand "Denver only took a call and passed on it" scenario has exploded. JAY CUTLER is calling it bullshit.

They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Brock
03-01-2009, 09:23 PM
They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Homer.

BigRock
03-01-2009, 09:24 PM
I read that interview but I can't remember where. I do remember a lot of quotes by his agent, "Bus" Cook. He sounded like he's angling for renegotiation.

Can you post the rest of that (or link)?

Why, certainly. ESPN has two new stories on it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3944555
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-6-22/Denver-s-Cutler-sticking-to-his-guns.html

BigRock
03-01-2009, 09:25 PM
They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Jay Cutler disagrees.

orange
03-01-2009, 09:27 PM
Team officials were in contact with his agent, Bus Cook, on Saturday and Sunday to deny their involvement and reinforce their commitment to Cutler. Cook said Cutler has every right to be upset.

"Because that's a vote of no confidence in the guy," Cook told The Associated Press on Sunday. "I don't care if you're talking about trading him for Matt Cassel, Matt Ryan or Tom Brady. That's a vote of no confidence in him, and that's how Jay sees it and I would, too.

"I don't know if they were actively seeking to trade Jay, but on the other hand, I don't know that they were turning a deaf ear to potential offers, either."


"I don't know if the relationship is irreconcilably broken," Cook said. "But I know that as much as he's meant to the organization and that ballclub, if there were attempts to trade him, then I think Jay Cutler is 100 percent right to be more than just a little bit miffed."

"There's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a fire," Cook said. "If they were in fact trying to trade Jay Cutler, then I think that's a situation that's going to cause a very serious problem for the organization.

"If they weren't, maybe he forgives and forgets. But if they were, that's going to be a very difficult situation to repair."

BigRock
03-01-2009, 09:28 PM
Here's what I thought was the best part.

Cutler is 17-20 with no playoff appearances since supplanting Jake Plummer late in the 2006 season, and he's known for his petulant, moody personality in his dealings with teammates and the media alike.

YA BURNT

SoCalBronco
03-01-2009, 09:35 PM
I'm glad he told them to go **** themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the **** do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage. Why don't you go get some treatment you fucking drunk.

Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in Mc****Face's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 09:37 PM
Well, I just want the Chiefs to trade Cassel for Cutler.

That would be the ultimate Pioli smackdown.

Bowser
03-01-2009, 09:37 PM
I'm glad he told them to go fuck themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the fuck do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage.

Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in McFuckFace's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.


Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

SoCalBronco
03-01-2009, 09:39 PM
Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

McDaniels needs to be fired. Dennison should be the interim HC for 2009 with Turner staying as well. I have no problem with the defensive staff staying and I have no problem with Xanders staying since Xanders saved us from this colossal fuckup.

orange
03-01-2009, 09:44 PM
Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

He was never on board. Still clinging to Shanahan.

Bowser
03-01-2009, 09:47 PM
He was never on board. Still clinging to Shanahan.

Him and TJ both, although I think TJ was more anti-Bowlen than anti-McDaniels.

BradyFTW!
03-01-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm glad he told them to go **** themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the **** do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage. Why don't you go get some treatment you ****ing drunk.

Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in Mc****Face's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.

Hahaha, if this is the direction that things are headed, then it's official: The Broncos will always suck. Hey SoCal, do you ever get sick and tired of the fact that you have one of the softest, sloppiest, most-incapable-of-finishing-the-game teams in the league? Because crap like this is exactly what makes a team lazy, arrogant, and incapable of competing at a high level. A player's job is to buy into the coach's system and execute it to the best of his ability. Any good team jettisons players who are unwilling to do that.

Garcia Bronco
03-01-2009, 11:09 PM
And yet they own the Pats. LOL

joesomebody
03-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Not sure how Cutler is called the best young QB in the league when the Steelers currently have a young quarterback with 2 superbowl rings.

Count Zarth
03-01-2009, 11:27 PM
And yet they own the Pats. LOL

No, that's what you don't get.

Mike Shanahan owned the Pats.

Mike Shanahan is GONE.

The Broncos are adrift in the NFL ocean...rudderless...and a mutiny has started aboard the SS Donkey...

McDaniels or Cutler will have to walk the plank soon.

Pablo
03-01-2009, 11:27 PM
Not sure how Cutler is called the best young QB in the league when the Steelers currently have a young quarterback with 2 superbowl rings.And Phillip Rivers has actually won playoff games...

Bowser
03-01-2009, 11:29 PM
But he throws the ball good and stuff.

The Bad Guy
03-01-2009, 11:46 PM
I think it's hilarious that Bronco fans are trying to spin this when Cutler himself said he knew for a fact they were trying to trade him.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 12:51 AM
The Broncos are turning into the Raiders...but hey fire the coach I'll take him on our staff.