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03-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Pioli Has NFL Talking About The Chiefs (http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/pioli-has-nfl-talking-about-the-chiefs.html)

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When it came to free agency, it figured to be a quiet weekend for the Chiefs in the first days of the signing period.
When it came to free agents, it was quiet.
http://www.bobgretz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/030109-0303-piolihasnfl1.jpgWhen it came to adding talent to the Chiefs roster, it was very loud.
The whole NFL was talking about the trade the Chiefs consummated on Saturday morning with New England. The Chiefs gave up the 34th selection in this Aprilís NFL Draft. In return, they got quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel.
Scott Pioli gave up a second-round choice to establish his leaders on offense and defense with the Chiefs. That seems a very small price to pay to get two starters who can still play, but can also help bring changes in the locker room.
If we can believe NFL gossip, there was quite a bit of intrigue Saturday morning as other teams around the league tried to get in on the Cassel sweepstakes. Supposedly Denver, Detroit and Tampa Bay were all talking with the Patriots. Thereís even a rumor that Denver was offering up current Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler in a trade that would have included Tampa Bay and New England.
Whether true or not, Cutler now thinks his team was trying to deal him and heís not very happy about the whole situation.
ďIím upset,Ē Cutler told the Denver Post. ďI mean Iím really shocked at this point. I could see why they want Cassel. I donít know if they think I canít run the system or I donít have the skills for it. I just donít get it. Or if they donít think they can sign me with my next contract. I just donít know what it is. Iíve heard Iím still on the trading block.Ē
New Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels, last yearís Patriots offensive coordinator, says heís not trying to deal Cutler.
ďWe donít want to trade Jay,Ē McDaniels told the Post. ďWe never did. Heís our quarterback. Weíre excited about this season. And excited about what weíre doing here in free agency to improve our team.Ē
Quite obviously, Pioli assessed the situation he found with the Chiefs and felt an upgrade was needed at quarterback. He certainly didnít get a grizzled veteran in Cassel, but then successful grizzled quarterbacks of a decent age donít get traded for second round choices. Certainly, he knows more about Cassel and he need only look at the numbers from the Ď08 season to see that his former seventh round draft picks is a step up from another former seventh-round draft choice, Tyler Thigpen.
Here are their numbers from last season:
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Att.</td> <td style="border-style: solid none; border-color: rgb(64, 64, 64) -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;"> TD</td> <td style="border-style: solid none; border-color: rgb(64, 64, 64) -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;"> INT</td> <td style="border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64) -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt 1pt 1pt medium; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;"> Rating</td> </tr> <tr style="background: silver none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> <td style="border-style: none none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">Matt Cassel</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">516</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">327</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">63.4</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">3,693</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">7.16</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">21</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">11</td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64) -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">89.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">Tyler Thigpen</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">420</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">230</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">54.8</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">2,608</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">6.21</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">18</td> <td style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64); border-width: medium medium 1pt; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">12</td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color rgb(64, 64, 64) rgb(64, 64, 64) -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding-left: 7px; padding-right: 7px;">76.0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
A head-to-head comparison between Cassel and Thigpen is full of holes. Although neither one has started much in the NFL, Cassel has four seasons in the league, while Thigpen has just two seasons. And, thereís no doubt that in their team situations last year, Cassel was certainly surrounded by far more talent than Thigpen enjoyed.
But all personnel decisions come down to comparisons and thereís little argument in Cassel vs. Thigpen who gets the edge right now. Itís the same outcome if you compare Cassel to the top quarterbacks coming out in this yearís NFL Draft. Although Cassel has only 15 career starts, heís shown his skills on the pro level, as opposed to Matt Stafford/Mark Sanchez/Josh Freeman, who are all underclassmen coming early into the NFL with far from sterling college resumes.
Expect the Chiefs to draft a quarterback in April, but it wonít be in round one, and now they donít have a choice in round two, so it will be sometime into the later rounds, maybe even the seventh. Wouldnít that be an NFL first; a teamís QBs were three former seventh round picks: Cassel, Thigpen and the draft choice.
The acquisition of Cassel I think is also a harbinger that offensively the Chiefs will use as their base a more typical pro offense, rather than using the spread on 1st Ėand-10 as they did last year because it was the best avenue for Thigpen and his skills. Based on Haleyís background, the presence of Cassel and an unclear situation at running back, I would expect the Chiefs will throw the ball a lot, but out of the conventional setup.
Cassel gives head coach Todd Haley a more advanced quarterback to work with. There will certainly be transition issues for Cassel and the offensive system, no matter what is used as the base. Belichick and McDaniels are out of his life, and now itís Haley and Gailey. Randy Moss and Wes Welker are gone, but Tony Gonzalez and Dwayne Bowe are in.
For the Patriots, Cassel was an insurance policy that was too expensive to keep. Tom Brady has obviously shown the folks in New England enough for them not to be worried about his ability to return to action this summer from his knee injury. With Casselís $14.65 million one-year deal as the franchise player, that meant New England would have $29.2 million under their cap tied up in quarterbacks. That would have hamstrung efforts right now to sign free agents.
New England took a gamble when they put the franchise tag on Cassel. The idea was to protect their investment and ultimately get something out of him, rather than allowing him to become a free agent and walk away without any compensation.
I think itís safe to say the Patriots thought they could acquire a package bigger than the 34th pick in the draft. But that $14.65 million number was going to limit the number of potential suitors right off the bat. So was the demand for draft choice compensation in the trade.
For the Chiefs, Pioli certainly worked a good deal. Whether he got the brother-in-law discount from his good friend Belichick is debatable. When it comes to helping his team, I doubt seriously that Belichick sees things through family glasses. By getting pick No. 34, the Patriots now have four choices in the first two rounds, in fact four of the first 58 picks. That gives them the ability to wheel and deal into the top half of the first round if they have their sites on a particular player.
In fact, ponder yet another trade between the Chiefs and Patriots. This idea is probably too outlandish to even consider, but what if Pioli sent the third pick in the draft to New England. In return, the Patriots would give up picks No. 23, 34, 47, 58 and 89 Ė a first, three seconds and a third. Under most trade charts used by NFL teams for dealing draft choices, the third pick is worth 2,200 points. Those five Patriots draft choices together would be worth 2,215 points.
That would allow the Patriots to draft a player they seldom get a shot at, while giving the Chiefs six of the first 89 picks (including Kansas Cityís third round choice at No. 67.) If this draft is as deep in talent as everyone in the league believes, six of the first 89 would improve the Chiefs far more than whoever they could take at the No. 3 spot.
A deal like that may be farfetched, but somehow I donít think Pioli is done dealing.

rad
03-01-2009, 10:16 AM
I like that trade-down scenario...

milkman
03-01-2009, 10:19 AM
I like that trade-down scenario...

Can you say "Pipe dream"?

cabletech94
03-01-2009, 10:27 AM
That would be dream sceneario.
6 (or really 5) of the first 89 picks?
I'd take it. And I'm NOT a drafturbator.

ChiefMojo
03-01-2009, 10:30 AM
If we can trade down, we will do it more than likely. With that said, that does sound like a pipe dream. I still think we take Curry at #3.

DaFace
03-01-2009, 10:33 AM
Dammit Gretz - it's SIGHTS, not SITES.

WhitiE
03-01-2009, 10:40 AM
is a pipe dream where you put something in your pipe and smoke it and then you dream? if so i agree....

Psyko Tek
03-01-2009, 10:51 AM
well you know, maybe, every other teamin the nfl will trade us all thier draft picks
for Larry Johnson's spit guard
and the we can get all the players

trade down he says
does anybody want that pick that bad?

Gravedigger
03-01-2009, 11:38 AM
I think if we took that trade scenario as a sign of good faith Pioli would give them a discount and just trade three of those five for the #3 pick.

MahiMike
03-01-2009, 01:15 PM
Yea, it was a good article until that far-fetched trade thing.

Bob Dole
03-01-2009, 01:30 PM
Dammit Gretz - it's SIGHTS, not SITES.

He was distracted by a pron websight while he was writing the article.

crazycoffey
03-01-2009, 01:43 PM
Can you say "Pipe dream"?

I don't remember if you said it or not, or even if anyone did actually say it, but wasn't getting/stealing Cassell a pipe dream?

ChiefGator
03-01-2009, 01:50 PM
Yea, it was a good article until that far-fetched trade thing.

Yep. Why would the cap-strapped Patriots want to take on the #3 payday?

Deberg_1990
03-01-2009, 01:52 PM
BTW,

Has anyone gotten a statement from Thigpen yet? Im curious what he will say publically about the Cassel deal?

Mr. Flopnuts
03-01-2009, 01:57 PM
I like that trade-down scenario...

Can you say "Pipe dream"?

I would jizz in my fucking pants.

mlyonsd
03-01-2009, 02:28 PM
BTW,

Has anyone gotten a statement from Thigpen yet? Im curious what he will say publically about the Cassel deal?

After a 2 win season and watching a new GM and HC walk through the door he'd be smart to keep his mouth shut.

soundmind
03-01-2009, 02:32 PM
is a pipe dream where you put something in your pipe and smoke it and then you dream? if so i agree....

...that reminds me....

FAX
03-01-2009, 02:35 PM
BTW,

Has anyone gotten a statement from Thigpen yet? Im curious what he will say publically about the Cassel deal?

Who is he going to give a statement to, Mr. Deberg_1990? His high school paper?

Besides, Pioli is probably trying to find Thigpen a job with another team. That would be my guess.

FAX

Deberg_1990
03-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Besides, Pioli is probably trying to find Thigpen a job with another team. That would be my guess.

FAX


heh, perhaps. Hes does hold a little value. I think Haley and Gailey both share a propensity for a trick play or two. Thigpen is a good athlete and they could somehow figure out a role for him. 2 or 3 plays a game.

Kerberos
03-01-2009, 06:42 PM
After a 2 win season and watching a new GM and HC walk through the door he'd be smart to keep his mouth shut.


Yup

After seeing how his teammate BW screwed the pooch on his reaction to the new regime it would be a safe bet to STFD and STFU if you are Tyler Thigpen and want to keep a position on this team no matter how insignificant it may be.

DaFace
03-01-2009, 06:44 PM
BTW,

Has anyone gotten a statement from Thigpen yet? Im curious what he will say publically about the Cassel deal?

I kind of feel sorry for the dude. He certainly makes a good story, but he has a long way to go before being a true NFL quarterback. I kind of hope we can trade him (for some value) to some team where he will get a chance to prove us wrong.

Danman
03-01-2009, 06:58 PM
Pioli Has NFL Talking About The Chiefs (http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-football/pioli-has-nfl-talking-about-the-chiefs.html)

Expect the Chiefs to draft a quarterback in April, but it wonít be in round one, and now they donít have a choice in round two, so it will be sometime into the later rounds, maybe even the seventh. Wouldnít that be an NFL first; a teamís QBs were three former seventh round picks: Cassel, Thigpen and the draft choice.


OK time to start speculatin'. Maybe Tom Brandstater or Curtis Painter. Both are 6'4", and Pioli seems to like his QBs at 6'4", both have decents arms. Painter had a good combine too, although he did stink up the 2009 season. A couple years ago he was thought to be an up and coming talent.