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Stinger
03-01-2009, 11:06 AM
Coast Guard searching for missing boat with NFL players

Reported by: Chad Cookler
Email: ccookler@abcactionnews.com
Last Update: 11:18 am

CLEARWATER, FL -- The Coast Guard is searching for a missing fishing boat about 50 miles off-shore in the Gulf of Mexico.

According to Coast Guard officials, the 21-foot fishing boat left from a boat ramp in Clearwater Pass Saturday about 6:30 am with 4 people on board.

A dispatcher told ABC Action News 3 of them are NFL players. One of the plays for the Detroit Lions, and one plays for the Oakland Raiders, the dispatcher said.

The boaters were supposed to return sometime after dark but never did, officials said. A friend called the Coast Guard at about 1:30 am and reported them missing.

Officials say the waters in the gulf are extremely choppy and they believe the boat is in distress.

Air and marine crews from the Sand Key and Clearwater Coast Guard stations are searching a 750 square mile area west of Clearwater Pass.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Coast-Guard-searching-for-missing-boat-with-NFL/LLFh0Ac2cECnkSanyO4BZA.cspx

booger
03-01-2009, 11:07 AM
REPORT: THREE NFL PLAYERS ON MISSING BOAT
Posted by Mike Florio on March 1, 2009, 11:50 a.m.
From ABC comes a scary story out of Florida. Three NFL players are on a fishing boat that is missing off the Gulf Coast in Clearwater.

One reportedly plays for the Lions, and another plays for the Raiders.

A 21-foot boat with four passengers left from Clearwater Pass at 6:30 a.m. EST on Saturday. It was due to return after dark but never arrived.

A friend called the Coast Guard at 1:30 a.m. EST on Sunday and reported the boat missing.

Per the report, officials say that the Gulf waters are extremely choppy and that it’s believed the boat is in distress.

More to come.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Coast-Guard-searching-for-missing-boat-with-NFL/LLFh0Ac2cECnkSanyO4BZA.cspx

eazyb81
03-01-2009, 11:10 AM
Why don't they list the names of the players?

doomy3
03-01-2009, 11:11 AM
Oh damn.

HC_Chief
03-01-2009, 11:11 AM
That sucks. Positive thoughts/prayers to the Coast Guard search teams in finding them soon and in good health!

mlyonsd
03-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Why don't they list the names of the players?

Has anyone heard from Cassel today?

Hog Farmer
03-01-2009, 11:13 AM
Gee, I hope LJ wasn't on the boat!

Mile High Mania
03-01-2009, 11:13 AM
Maybe they're not releasing names until they contact or hear from families... I dunno. Or, maybe they're not 100% sure.

booger
03-01-2009, 11:13 AM
Why don't they list the names of the players?

if they are dead or don't have a body/missing, i'm sure they will keep it quite until the families know what did or didn't happen before they paste it over the news.

KChiefs1
03-01-2009, 11:15 AM
Has anyone seen Larry Johnson lately?
Didn't Pioli tell him to take a slow boat to China?

Go Mizzou & Chiefs
03-01-2009, 11:15 AM
umm what team is the other 1 from?

Hog Farmer
03-01-2009, 11:19 AM
Just In,, Jay Cutler was the Captain of the boat . His suicide note was just found at disneyworld!

wild1
03-01-2009, 11:42 AM
this isn't funny. i dont think you guys should be making jokes about hoping LJ or others were on the boat.

Blindside58
03-01-2009, 11:44 AM
Reminds me of the Cleveland Indians Tragedy.

Hog Farmer
03-01-2009, 11:45 AM
this isn't funny. i dont think you guys should be making jokes about hoping LJ or others were on the boat.

Why ?

If LJ spends a few hours thinking he's gonna die, maybe he'll take his diaper off, quit abusing women and appreciate his teammates!

SNR
03-01-2009, 11:45 AM
It's bullshit unless another source besides PFT releases this. Or they put out the names.

Hog Farmer
03-01-2009, 11:45 AM
Reminds me of the KC Royals Tragedy.


FYP!

Basileus777
03-01-2009, 11:46 AM
It's bullshit unless another source besides PFT releases this. Or they put out the names.

It's being reported from several sources.

Blindside58
03-01-2009, 11:48 AM
FYP!

Howsitwhatsithuh?

brorth
03-01-2009, 11:50 AM
Friends Victor "Marquis" Cooper, Nick Skyler, Corey Smith and a fourth person haven't been seen since.

At least 2 of the men are professional football players with ties to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Cooper, whose truck and trailer is till parked at the boat ramp where the men left from, is a linebacker with the Oakland Raiders. Smith is a defensive end for the Detroit Lions. Both began their careers with the Bucs.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Former-Bucs-among-missing-boaters/LLFh0Ac2cECnkSanyO4BZA.cspx

booger
03-01-2009, 11:51 AM
REPORT: MARQUIS COOPER, CORY SMITH ON BOAT
Posted by Mike Florio on March 1, 2009, 12:48 p.m.
The Tampa Tribune has the names of two of the NFL players who have been reported missing on a boat off the coast of Clearwater, Florida.

They are linebacker Marquis Cooper of the Raiders and defensive end Corey Smith of the Lions.

A third person, identified as Nick Skyler, also is on the boat. We can find no evidence on the Internet (including NFL.com’s current and former player search tool) that he is or has been on an NFL roster.

A fourth person, possibly another NFL player, is believed to be on the boat.

The Coast Guard is searching a 750-square mile area for the 21-foot fishing boat.

luv
03-01-2009, 11:52 AM
In a minute before the oher one, and left behind.

Hog Farmer
03-01-2009, 11:53 AM
I wonder how this will affect the Draft ?

HonestChieffan
03-01-2009, 11:55 AM
Obama can save them. Obama can do anything. If they die its Obamas fault.

DaKCMan AP
03-01-2009, 12:04 PM
It's true the water was very choppy this morning. I drove home from the bars around 7am and when I went over the bridge it was very windy and the water had a ton of choppy white caps.

MadMax
03-01-2009, 12:09 PM
Obama can save them. Obama can do anything. If they die its Obamas fault.



But he will blame G.W. ;)

blueballs
03-01-2009, 12:12 PM
When they are found alive
passed out with hookers
the jokes will be good

Baconeater
03-01-2009, 12:18 PM
Obama can save them. Obama can do anything. If they die its Obamas fault.
What in the holy fuck does that have to do with anything here? Go back to DC, dumbass.

bobbymitch
03-01-2009, 12:24 PM
I hope they find everyone okay, maybe a bit wet and scared.

Taking a 21 foot boat into the gulf with 4 big guys is not the smartest thing in the world to do. No EPIRB, no radio?

Dave Lane
03-01-2009, 12:41 PM
Was it for a three hour tour?? If so I maybe able to find them!

Dave Lane
03-01-2009, 12:43 PM
What in the holy **** does that have to do with anything here? Go back to DC, dumbass.

He may not have the requisite brain cells to find his way back there.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-01-2009, 12:45 PM
Obama can save them. Obama can do anything. If they die its Obamas fault.

You know what to do:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u159/robrabies/robertoalomartree.jpg

Baby Lee
03-01-2009, 12:57 PM
Obama can save them. Obama can do anything. If they die its Obamas fault.

Won't you look stupid when it turns out they were victims of an unmonitored earthquake? ;)

warrior
03-01-2009, 01:01 PM
He may not have the requisite brain cells to find his way back there.

Probably true and funny. :D

Demonpenz
03-01-2009, 01:39 PM
they are dead mother nature is a bitch

BradyFTW!
03-01-2009, 01:40 PM
2 raiders and a lion? Man, these guys are cursed. Hope they turn up okay.

Buck
03-01-2009, 01:47 PM
Saw this on Yahoo, sorry if repost

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-missingboaters-nfl&prov=ap&type=lgns

Buck
03-01-2009, 01:47 PM
Agent: 2 NFL players among Fla. missing boaters


CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP)—Two NFL players are among a group of boaters reported missing off Florida’s Gulf Coast.

Sports agent Ron Del Duca said his client, Detroit Lions defensive end Corey Smith, and Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper were two of the four boaters who were reported missing Sunday morning by the Coast Guard.

The Coast Guard issued a statement saying the boaters were on a 21-foot vessel that left Clearwater Pass on Saturday morning for a fishing trip and did not return as expected. Crews used a helicopter and a 47-foot motor-life boat to search a 750-square mile area west of Clearwater Pass on Sunday.

B_Ambuehl
03-01-2009, 01:51 PM
I used to go offshore a lot in that area and there are so many oil rigs you'd have to pretty much have a bomb blow up and decapitate you and your boat to avoid reaching or drifting to one. I bet they find them tied up to an oil rig.

stlchiefs
03-01-2009, 01:51 PM
oops

stlchiefs
03-01-2009, 01:52 PM
Repost: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=203410&page=2

RINGLEADER
03-01-2009, 02:16 PM
CLEARWATER, FL -- The Coast Guard is continuing to search for a missing fishing boat about 50 miles off-shore in the Gulf of Mexico.

According to Coast Guard officials, a 21-foot Everglades fishing boat left from the Seminole boat ramp in Clearwater Pass Saturday about 6:30 am with 4 people on board.

Friends Victor "Marquis" Cooper, Nick Schulyer, Corey Smith and William Bleakley haven't been seen since.

2 of the men are professional football players with ties to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Cooper, whose truck and trailer is till parked at the boat ramp where the men left from, is a linebacker with the Oakland Raiders.

Smith is a defensive end for the Detroit Lions. Both began their careers with the Bucs.

Officials say the waters in the gulf are extremely choppy with waves believed to be between 6-10 feet, and they believe the boat is in distress.

Air and marine crews from the Sand Key and Clearwater Coast Guard stations are searching a 750 square mile area west of Clearwater Pass.


http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Former-Bucs-among-missing-boaters-off-Gulf-of/LLFh0Ac2cECnkSanyO4BZA.cspx

Fritz88
03-01-2009, 02:48 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Am4LZ9tsFyPsISWzs49z1385nYcB?slug=ap-missingboaters-nfl&prov=ap&type=lgns

MahiMike
03-01-2009, 02:48 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-missingboaters-nfl&prov=ap&type=lgns

CLEARWATER, Fla. (AP)—Two NFL players are among a group of boaters reported missing off Florida’s Gulf Coast.

Sports agent Ron Del Duca said his client, Detroit Lions defensive end Corey Smith, and Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper were two of the four boaters who were reported missing Sunday morning by the Coast Guard.

The Coast Guard issued a statement saying the boaters were on a 21-foot vessel that left Clearwater Pass on Saturday morning for a fishing trip and did not return as expected. Crews used a helicopter and a 47-foot motor-life boat to search a 750-square mile area west of Clearwater Pass on Sunday.

Fritz88
03-01-2009, 02:49 PM
someone delete this, lol we submitted at the same time :)

bdeg
03-01-2009, 02:52 PM
one boat? really?

DaKCMan AP
03-01-2009, 02:56 PM
you mean you both re-re-posted at the same time

bdeg
03-01-2009, 03:02 PM
The players' names is new info.

stlchiefs
03-01-2009, 03:02 PM
jesus, 4th time today huh

Brock
03-01-2009, 03:03 PM
There are 4 or 5 of these on the front page. Jesus.

Baconeater
03-01-2009, 03:05 PM
This has to be the most reposted story in the history of the Planet.

stlchiefs
03-01-2009, 03:05 PM
There are 4 or 5 of these on the front page. Jesus.

REPOST: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5543746&postcount=3

:D

DaFace
03-01-2009, 03:09 PM
Is there something that's unclear about the title? I keep merging them, and they keep getting reposted.

BucEyedPea
03-01-2009, 03:28 PM
That's not far from me. I am north of there several towns. It's storming here and the water is very choppy too. I haven't turned on any news or tv all day. This was the first I've heard of it. Hope they are okay. But from what I hear, even in weather not stormy, the waves can be incredibly high with lots of sea sickness being created when you go on those deep-sea fishing trips.

Dave Lane
03-01-2009, 03:36 PM
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el borracho
03-01-2009, 04:27 PM
umm what team is the other 1 from?

The other one isn't a player; it's Emmy-winning actor, John Goodman.

Count Alex's Losses
03-01-2009, 04:30 PM
Pioli strikes again!

thebrad84
03-01-2009, 05:12 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/01/florida.missing.boaters/index.html

2 NFL players among boaters missing in Florida

CLEARWATER, Florida (CNN) -- Two NFL players were among four boaters missing Sunday off Florida's Gulf Coast, an agent for one of the players said.
Corey Smith, left, and Marquis Cooper are two of the men missing in Florida, according to Smith's agent.

Corey Smith, left, and Marquis Cooper are two of the men missing in Florida, according to Smith's agent.

Ron Del Duca, agent for Corey Smith, told CNN that Smith and Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper were among four men who had not returned from a boating trip Saturday in waters off Clearwater, Florida.

Smith, currently a free agent with the NFL, played defensive end for the Detroit Lions for the past three seasons.

The Coast Guard said it was directing a search Sunday for the boaters. Rough weather has hampered the effort, but "it's still a very active search," Coast Guard Capt. Tim Close told reporters Sunday afternoon.

Poor visibility from heavy waves forced the search-and-rescue effort to be conducted primarily by air, though authorities deployed patrol boats as well, Close said.

Searchers were focusing on an area about 50 miles west of Clearwater Pass, where the four embarked from the Seminole Boat Ramp about 6:30 a.m. Saturday, the Coast Guard said.

"Yesterday the weather conditions were relatively good, but the weather picked up overnight," Close said. "It's a small vessel for the conditions that are out there right now."

The search began around 2 a.m. Sunday after Coast Guard personnel got a tip from a caller that four men -- Cooper, Smith, Nick Schuyler and William Bleakley -- had not returned from their fishing trip Saturday evening as expected.

Close said authorities had not received a distress signal from the boaters. Cooper owns the boat, but Bleakley was the only experienced boater on board, Close said.

The boat, a center-console vessel manufactured by Everglades Boats, is billed as "unsinkable," Close said.

The Coast Guard focused its search on 750 square miles of open water west of Clearwater Pass.

Smith and Cooper were teammates with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for part of the 2004 season, when Cooper was a rookie, according to their biography pages on NFL.com.

Smith, who entered the league with Tampa Bay in 2002, went on to play for the Washington Redskins before moving to the Lions for the 2006 season.

Cooper has played for six teams in his five-season career, according to NFL.com.

The Detroit Lions released a statement acknowledging that Smith was among the missing men, adding, "Our thoughts and prayers are with all the passengers, their families and all those involved in the search efforts."

The Coast Guard asked anyone with information on the boaters to contact its St. Petersburg, Florida, office at 727-824-7506.

unothadeal
03-01-2009, 05:13 PM
We know.

JASONSAUTO
03-01-2009, 05:13 PM
what is this the 5th thread? merge on aisle 3 daface AGAIN

Bwana
03-01-2009, 05:48 PM
Thanks Stevie Wonder.

memyselfI
03-01-2009, 06:06 PM
Scary. I hope all four are found alive and well. Hopefully they are camped out and safe on one of the many small islands just off of Clearwater, FL.

memyselfI
03-01-2009, 06:08 PM
Didn't see this thread. Again, hope all are on one of the many small islands camped out safe and sound. This is quite scary. Hope all are found soon.

Baconeater
03-01-2009, 06:13 PM
Man, they are coming up missing like crazy out there today.

Gracie Dean
03-01-2009, 08:30 PM
CLEARWATER, Florida (CNN) -- Two NFL players were among four boaters missing Sunday off Florida's Gulf Coast, an agent for one of the players said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/01/florida.missing.boaters/index.html




MORE>>> at link

Baconeater
03-01-2009, 08:31 PM
ROFL Make it stop!

kstater
03-01-2009, 08:32 PM
LMAO


At least it got off the front page this time.

unothadeal
03-01-2009, 08:33 PM
Ya don't say.

Gracie Dean
03-01-2009, 08:35 PM
CLEARWATER, Florida (CNN) -- Two NFL players were among four boaters missing Sunday off Florida's Gulf Coast, an agent for one of the players said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/01/florida.missing.boaters/index.html




MORE>>> at link



sorry, I didn't see it and I actually looked

thanks mods for merging

DaFace
03-01-2009, 08:35 PM
I just counted. This topic has now been reposted 8 times today. I officially give up. Further reposts will not be merged.

unothadeal
03-01-2009, 08:35 PM
I count 9 reposts.

CrazyPhuD
03-01-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm begining to think topics need a repost merge count. How many times was a repost merged into said topic. Either that or posters do...like rep but for reposts!

DaFace
03-01-2009, 08:36 PM
I count 9 reposts.

Including the original? If so, I agree. If not, I only counted 8.

Stinger
03-01-2009, 08:37 PM
My lord this maybe the only thread in CP history that a thread reaches a hundred posts with 75%-85% of the responses in reposts. ..... LMAO LMAO

Gracie Dean
03-01-2009, 08:38 PM
SORRY

I didn't look back far enough

I had not seen the news until just a minute ago

DaFace
03-01-2009, 08:39 PM
SORRY

I didn't look back far enough

I had not seen the news until just a minute ago

Don't worry. Our conversation is mainly due to the quantity of the reposts rather than the fact that you yourself joined in the fun.

unothadeal
03-01-2009, 08:40 PM
Including the original? If so, I agree. If not, I only counted 8.

:doh!:

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 11:18 AM
My sister lives in the Clearwater area. She would always worry because her idiot husband used to take their boat WAY out into the gulf when it was not equipped for the types of excursions he took it on. I'm surprised this didn't happen to him at some point.

Demonpenz
03-02-2009, 11:33 AM
My sister lives in the Clearwater area. She would always worry because her idiot husband used to take their boat WAY out into the gulf when it was not equipped for the types of excursions he took it on. I'm surprised this didn't happen to him at some point.

That is sad, with the love and positive attitude within the family, I can't image a person wanting to be eaten by sharks than coming back to shore

Orlandochiefsgrl
03-02-2009, 11:39 AM
They found the boat overturned with a person hanging on...more to come

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 11:40 AM
That is sad, with the love and positive attitude within the family, I can't image a person wanting to be eaten by sharks than coming back to shore

I can't imagine why any jackass would choose to lose his wife and beautiful daughter, a six figure job, and two homes to foreclosure and bankrupt his upper middle class family all for some bimbo.

He's so rotten even sharks would pass.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 11:41 AM
They found the boat overturned with a person hanging on...more to come

Where are you hearing this? ESPN has it on now. 30 miles off of St. Pete.

Sounds like they've actually rescued one person and are notifying the families of all involved as to the status.

Orlandochiefsgrl
03-02-2009, 11:46 AM
Fox news reporting they found a survivor clinging on the boat. He wasn't one of the NFL players, but they believe they have Life vests on and may be floating in the area.

Buck
03-02-2009, 11:50 AM
I cant find any news story of this online.

I hope they all make it.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 11:51 AM
Apparently it's Nick Schuyler who was found according to his family.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/boaters_rescue_030209

On live: http://www.wtsp.com/news/custom/story.aspx?storyid=98476&catid=20

rockymtnchief
03-02-2009, 11:53 AM
One is better than nothing. I hope they still find the rest.

Orlandochiefsgrl
03-02-2009, 11:57 AM
they believe the other three will be found floating with life vests on

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 11:58 AM
they believe the other three will be found floating with life vests on

Hope so. God what a story that will be.

Buck
03-02-2009, 12:01 PM
I keep thinking of how awesome its gonna be to hear their story, but I just really hope we get to hear from all of them.

Johnny Vegas
03-02-2009, 12:16 PM
they found the boat! 1 survivor and it was a father of one of the players

Johnny Vegas
03-02-2009, 12:17 PM
there's still a window of opportunity to find the others

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 12:22 PM
They have been showing video of Nick getting off of the CG helicopter. Wow. Very exciting for the family. He's stood up briefly but looked rather weak.

Johnny Vegas
03-02-2009, 12:26 PM
They have been showing video of Nick getting off of the CG helicopter. Wow. Very exciting for the family. He's stood up briefly but looked rather weak.

so its not his dad? NFLN was saying it was the father. Its still only 2 days and if they have their life vests they should be alive still, but the clock is ticking.

Buck
03-02-2009, 12:26 PM
I wonder how he managed to hang on to the boat but the others didn't.

It makes me think that the others may have gotten to weak to continue holding on and may have died.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 12:40 PM
I wonder how he managed to hang on to the boat but the others didn't.

It makes me think that the others may have gotten to weak to continue holding on and may have died.

Nick apparently told them they were all together as late as 2:00 am this morning. I don't know if that is good news or not. Per Fox News. If they all had lifejackets then perhaps there is hope.

Orlandochiefsgrl
03-02-2009, 12:41 PM
he also still had his flip flops on so he must have been on top of the boat?

Johnny Vegas
03-02-2009, 12:45 PM
still ****ing crazy they couldn't find them at a 750 square mile search and went to a 3,000 square mile search and found them.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 01:02 PM
he also still had his flip flops on so he must have been on top of the boat?

Maybe the boat just capsized this morning?

BigRichard
03-02-2009, 01:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/02/florida.missing.boaters/index.html

Dr. Facebook Fever
03-02-2009, 01:07 PM
Wow. That's some bad shit. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 01:52 PM
Found Marcus Cooper alive.

Ok, so Coast Guard is not confirming.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=101513&provider=top

|Zach|
03-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Via Breaking News on Twitter...

Detoxing
03-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Good for him.

Buck
03-02-2009, 01:56 PM
Is that 2 of 4 so far?

HC_Chief
03-02-2009, 02:00 PM
Good news

GoHuge
03-02-2009, 02:03 PM
That's awesome. I was beginning to lose hope.

CanadianChief
03-02-2009, 02:05 PM
Where did they find him? There's an article on nfl.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f069a1&template=without-video&confirm=true that says they found one guy clinging to Coopers boat but not Cooper himself.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 02:07 PM
Has not been confirmed per the Coast Guard. It's on the other thread.

They did just interview his cousin on Fox News and he sounded VERY confident so I bet the family knows something but the CG has not confirmed to the media.

Stinger
03-02-2009, 02:08 PM
still ****ing crazy they couldn't find them at a 750 square mile search and went to a 3,000 square mile search and found them.

The area of ocean covered so far -- 16,000 square miles -- is equivalent to about 1/3 of the land area in Florida. :eek:

http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=101513&provider=top

Wow talk about trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Hope it is true about Marcus Cooper. :grovel:

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 02:09 PM
They've updated their site to say they have heard from a family member that Cooper MAY be alive. The cousin interviewed on Fox sounded very confident about them finding him so I bet he knows something.

Molitoth
03-02-2009, 02:20 PM
Cooper washed up on an island and Ben Linus transported him back home.

googlegoogle
03-02-2009, 02:22 PM
mandatory radio emitting locators.

Captain of boats should be mandated to wear vest and some sort of 'waterproof' portable radio. No good for radio to be underwater.

talastan
03-02-2009, 02:25 PM
Glad to hear, hope the other two are found alive and safe.

PhillyChiefFan
03-02-2009, 02:36 PM
thats good news

doomy3
03-02-2009, 02:40 PM
wow, hopefully this is true

Bwana
03-02-2009, 02:41 PM
Umm

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9280632/NFL-player's-boat-found;-1-survivor,-3-still-missing?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002

mikeyis4dcats.
03-02-2009, 04:12 PM
still no updates on this, think this was a false report.

chiefforlife
03-02-2009, 04:18 PM
The title of this thread should be changed...

Pants
03-02-2009, 04:21 PM
twitter = fail

Hope they do find those guys after all. NFL players are tough and in peak physical conditions, I wouldn't lose hope quite yet.

B_Ambuehl
03-02-2009, 08:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if those 3 other guys left the boat and tried to swim to shore thinking nobody was looking for them or gonna find them.

wild1
03-02-2009, 08:53 PM
hope they find them. if the boat capsized at sea, it's lucky that even one survived for so long

HMc
03-02-2009, 08:58 PM
40 miles offshore in a 21 foot single engine powerboat?

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 08:58 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if those 3 other guys left the boat and tried to swim to shore thinking nobody was looking for them or gonna find them.

I think they probably one by one started to lose consciousness and could not hold on any longer and began to drift away. The one who was rescued was said to be somewhat incoherent when rescued. Perhaps the other three were not wearing the layers that the one who was rescued was wearing.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:00 PM
The title of this thread should be changed...

agreed. It will be very sad if he's not found alive.

KChiefsQT
03-02-2009, 09:04 PM
So sad... hope a miracle happens!!! I'm praying for the three missing guys!!

CaliforniaChief
03-02-2009, 09:07 PM
So sad... hope a miracle happens!!! I'm praying for the three missing guys!!

This...but it's getting tougher and tougher to believe they're ok..

CrazyPhuD
03-02-2009, 09:18 PM
I think they probably one by one started to lose consciousness and could not hold on any longer and began to drift away. The one who was rescued was said to be somewhat incoherent when rescued. Perhaps the other three were not wearing the layers that the one who was rescued was wearing.

if they're in the water then unless the layers are waterproof they won't really help. They'll just get drenched. That said what is important is what is the average water temp in the area. If it's high enough there is still hope.

Buck
03-02-2009, 09:19 PM
Are there sharks in the Gulf of Mexico?

stlchiefs
03-02-2009, 09:20 PM
The title of this thread should be changed...

yes please. the title alone is spreading possible false info.

Stinger
03-02-2009, 09:22 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if those 3 other guys left the boat and tried to swim to shore thinking nobody was looking for them or gonna find them.

Swim over 30 miles???


I think they probably one by one started to lose consciousness and could not hold on any longer and began to drift away. The one who was rescued was said to be somewhat incoherent when rescued. Perhaps the other three were not wearing the layers that the one who was rescued was wearing.

I think this is a more plausible explanation.

Stinger
03-02-2009, 09:24 PM
Are there sharks in the Gulf of Mexico?

Apparently at least 49 species

http://www.shark.ch/Database/Distribution/map_res.html?mdist_id=9513

Buck
03-02-2009, 09:25 PM
If they are floating unconscious, theyd need to be on their backs so they dont drown, and also hope that those sharks dont eat them.

DaFace
03-02-2009, 09:28 PM
If they are floating unconscious, theyd need to be on their backs so they dont drown, and also hope that those sharks dont eat them.

Has there been any word about whether the other guys were wearing life jackets? If so, they're designed to keep you on your back. If not, I'm afraid their hopes are pretty slim.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:29 PM
Are there sharks in the Gulf of Mexico?

Yup, Bull Sharks being the most likely to cause them a problem.

Gravedigger
03-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Getting your news from Twitter is like getting your news from Facebook Status'.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:31 PM
if they're in the water then unless the layers are waterproof they won't really help. They'll just get drenched. That said what is important is what is the average water temp in the area. If it's high enough there is still hope.

The temp at this time of year is approx. 60-65 degrees. The one who was rescued appeared to have a long sleeve sort of windbreaker. I agree that any clothing would be wet but any extra could not hurt. Especially if they were sitting on top of the boat and it was windy.

Stinger
03-02-2009, 09:31 PM
Has there been any word about whether the other guys were wearing life jackets? If so, they're designed to keep you on your back. If not, I'm afraid their hopes are pretty slim.

I believe there was an earlier report after the first surviver was found that this was asked and confirmed, but you are talking to a person who probably didn't know up from down at that point and I don't think anything has been confirmed since so who knows?

KcMizzou
03-02-2009, 09:33 PM
Has there been any word about whether the other guys were wearing life jackets? If so, they're designed to keep you on your back. If not, I'm afraid their hopes are pretty slim.From what I read, yes... both were.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:34 PM
Apparently they were all still alive and together at 2:00 this morning according to Nick. But if the rescued had lost track of time or was in and out of consciousness then he may have thought today was a different day. Thus, when he said the others were alive this morning he may have believed they were.

DaFace
03-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Given that this ended up being false, I'm gonna merge this in with the original thread to eliminate any confusion.

B_Ambuehl
03-02-2009, 09:37 PM
Swim over 30 miles???

Well I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and theorize why they weren't by the boat. They'd evidently been out there for over a day and a half holding on to that damn boat. At some point you gotta think, "Are they even looking for us?" "Do I sit here and just let myself die or do I make a go of it?" With a lifejacket on and even at a snails pace 1 mile per hour it could be enticing to take off and swim if not to shore then maybe to a landmark. I imagine like most parts of the gulf that part is full of various structures, oil rigs, etc. a person might try to get to. But, then again, they may have just passed out like the guy said above. If that's the case it is interesting the non-athlete of the bunch would be the only one conscious and still holding up.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:39 PM
Well I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and theorize why they weren't by the boat. They'd evidently been out there for over a day and a half holding on to that damn boat. At some point you gotta think, "Are they even looking for us?" "Do I sit here and just let myself die or do I make a go of it?" With a lifejacket on and even at a snails pace 1 mile per hour it could be enticing to take off and swim if not to shore then maybe to a landmark. I imagine like most parts of the gulf that part is full of various structures, oil rigs, etc. a person might try to get to. But, then again, they may have just passed out like the guy said above. If that's the case it is interesting the non-athlete of the bunch would be the only one conscious and still holding up.

Your best option is to stay with the boat. It's easier to spot from the air and the water AND it, assuming it's not been structurally compromised, will float long after you are able to do so.

The guy they rescued looked to be in amazing shape as a 'non-athlete.' That couldn't have hurt him.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 09:44 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/03/sports/03boat_600.JPG

You can see the guy has some sort of jacket on. His legs appear to be underwater.

HMc
03-02-2009, 09:52 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/03/sports/03boat_600.JPG

You can see the guy has some sort of jacket on. His legs appear to be underwater.

looks more like a spray jacket than a lifevest.

looks like he's got a leg either side of the motor leg.

doomy3
03-02-2009, 09:56 PM
The temp at this time of year is approx. 60-65 degrees. The one who was rescued appeared to have a long sleeve sort of windbreaker. I agree that any clothing would be wet but any extra could not hurt. Especially if they were sitting on top of the boat and it was windy.

Just a hunch, but I don't think they are on top of the boat, so their clothes are most definitely wet.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 10:03 PM
Just a hunch, but I don't think they are on top of the boat, so their clothes are most definitely wet.

I don't believe a jacket would save their life given the conditions but would you want extra layers if you are facing hypothermia? I would think so. And at least one of them was able to stay atop the boat.

doomy3
03-02-2009, 10:04 PM
I don't believe a jacket would save their life given the conditions but would you want extra layers if you are facing hypothermia? I would think so. And at least one of them was able to stay atop the boat.

Especially if they were sitting on top of the boat and it was windy.

HMc
03-02-2009, 10:06 PM
I don't believe a jacket would save their life given the conditions but would you want extra layers if you are facing hypothermia? I would think so. And at least one of them was able to stay atop the boat.

If you're in the damn water you're probably best off in your underwear only.

Atop the boat, sure you want gear on, but it will just make it harder to stay affloat if you're in the drink.

memyselfI
03-02-2009, 10:09 PM
If you're in the damn water you're probably best off in your underwear only.

Atop the boat, sure you want gear on, but it will just make it harder to stay affloat if you're in the drink.

Assuming your underwear is brightly colored and not white. Seems to me the orange jacket has the added plus of increasing your visibility from afar.

CrazyPhuD
03-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Well I'm just trying to put myself in their shoes and theorize why they weren't by the boat. They'd evidently been out there for over a day and a half holding on to that damn boat. At some point you gotta think, "Are they even looking for us?" "Do I sit here and just let myself die or do I make a go of it?" With a lifejacket on and even at a snails pace 1 mile per hour it could be enticing to take off and swim if not to shore then maybe to a landmark. I imagine like most parts of the gulf that part is full of various structures, oil rigs, etc. a person might try to get to. But, then again, they may have just passed out like the guy said above. If that's the case it is interesting the non-athlete of the bunch would be the only one conscious and still holding up.

Actually 1mile per hour isn't a snails pace. It's still a decent clip but could probably be maintained with a breast stroke kick, the problem is after 8hrs you are likely to get confused which can lead you in circles etc. Even if you think you are heading to land you might just be hallucinating. I once swam freestyle for two hours straight and I stopped at the end when I did my flip at the end of the pool and wasn't sure which way was up underwater. At that point I realized I was too tired and it was stupid to keep going.

In this case you should always stay with the boat. The odds of finding 17ft boat is worlds better than trying to find someone with at most 4 square feet of exposure to the air. Plus you can stay on the boat. The reason the guy was probably still on the boat was because he was holding onto the motor. Given the winds and waves it is likely everyone else was washed over. If they don't have lifevests on then unfortunately at this point it is likely they are gone. :(

CrazyPhuD
03-02-2009, 10:16 PM
If you're in the damn water you're probably best off in your underwear only.

Atop the boat, sure you want gear on, but it will just make it harder to stay affloat if you're in the drink.

Well sort of, you should dump the shoes and take off the jeans. If you know what you are doing you can rig a makeshift floatation device from your jeans, but while I've done it in controlled settings I've never been 100% convinced it would work well long term.

HMc
03-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Well sort of, you should dump the shoes and take off the jeans. If you know what you are doing you can rig a makeshift floatation device from your jeans, but while I've done it in controlled settings I've never been 100% convinced it would work well long term.

Yeah i was kinda visuallising the shorts and lifevest look, which is the only way to offshore boating IMO

and not in a single engnied 20 foot dinghy, i might add

CrazyPhuD
03-02-2009, 10:25 PM
James Allen, a marine safety consultant who once worked search and rescue operations with the Coast Guard, said the chances of finding survivors diminish after people have been in the water three days.

Survivors have been found who were floating for days, but he added "you just can't swim forever."

After 18 hours in 64-degree water, hypothermia will set in, Coast Guard Petty Officer 2nd Class James Harless said.


.

boogblaster
03-02-2009, 10:26 PM
Its sad to say but they are gone ...

JASONSAUTO
03-02-2009, 10:29 PM
are they using the air force? if so is it an a10? my buddy is stationed at the airbase that plane flies out of, actually he might be on the plane. hope they are found

Stinger
03-02-2009, 10:31 PM
Its sad to say but they are gone ...

Looking more and more that way unfortunately. :(

DenverChief
03-02-2009, 10:32 PM
Given that this ended up being false, I'm gonna merge this in with the original thread to eliminate any confusion.


huh? what is false?

doomy3
03-02-2009, 10:33 PM
huh? what is false?

There was another thread that said they found one of the players, but that was false

DaFace
03-02-2009, 11:10 PM
huh? what is false?

Yeah, sorry for the confusion. There was a thread that said #2 of 4 had been rescued, which turned out to be false. Only one has been found so far.

googlegoogle
03-03-2009, 02:22 AM
They were all clinging to the boat! What the hell happened?

Some fishing boat. So no handholds? Man that sucks.

Anyone know the type of fishing boat? Any good photos?

MIAdragon
03-03-2009, 06:09 AM
They were all clinging to the boat! What the hell happened?

Some fishing boat. So no handholds? Man that sucks.

Anyone know the type of fishing boat? Any good photos?

JFC google n00b

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 07:47 AM
JFC google n00b

It is rather difficult clicking on the previous pages of this thread, isn't it? ROFL

MahiMike
03-03-2009, 07:54 AM
The guy that survived stayed with the boat. The others were washed away immediately. They've been dead from the start. Very sad. I still can't believe they took a 21' boat that far out. It's not the Atlantic but it can still kick up out there.

Bwana
03-03-2009, 08:17 AM
Another read, not much new information yet.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9283574?MSNHPHMA

baitism
03-03-2009, 08:24 AM
Not to sound like an ass, but alot of black people are not great swimmers (used to be a lifeguard in Hawaii). Stuck in 10-15ft. seas for days, only the strongest of swimmers would survive; NFL athletes or not...

That is not even taking into account the fairly cool waters.

Buck
03-03-2009, 08:39 AM
Not to sound like an ass, but alot of black people are not great swimmers (used to be a lifeguard in Hawaii). Stuck in 10-15ft. seas for days, only the strongest of swimmers would survive; NFL athletes or not...

That is not even taking into account the fairly cool waters.

Its a stereotype. I'm sure that none of them would have gone on a deep sea fishing trip in a 21' boat if they didn't know how to swim.

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 08:45 AM
Its a stereotype. I'm sure that none of them would have gone on a deep sea fishing trip in a 21' boat if they didn't know how to swim.

But even if they did know how to swim that does not mean they were not taking chances. From what I learned from my idiot BIL who goes on these trips, the fishing trips are often times filled with alcohol consumption which will then lower the risk aversion threshold. There may be provisions (food and water) for a day of fishing but chances are good those would have been lost when the boat capsized. Often times the minimum is taken to avoid additional weight on the boat and that boat carried FOUR large men.

He told stories where he felt like he tempted fate and beat it thus he felt he was more experienced and able to do the same and have a positive outcome the next time.

The rest of us would hear his stories and think he was a headline waiting to happen.

Crashride
03-03-2009, 08:47 AM
God I hope they find these guys. I was just at clearwater this weekend.

baitism
03-03-2009, 08:48 AM
Its a stereotype. I'm sure that none of them would have gone on a deep sea fishing trip in a 21' boat if they didn't know how to swim.

It's not a stereotype; maybe a generalization. More inner city kids do not go through swimming lessons. Statistics will back that up. Moreover, I saw it in my line of work.

It's not true in every situation, but many times it is.

Being able to swim does not equal being a good swimmer.

MOhillbilly
03-03-2009, 08:48 AM
Its a stereotype. I'm sure that none of them would have gone on a deep sea fishing trip in a 21' boat if they didn't know how to swim.

you ever seen a negro win a swim challenge on a reality game show?

me either.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 08:54 AM
They shouldn't have been anchored. Head slowly into the waves and call for Coast Guard help. It's amazing that the one guy was able to stay with the boat in 10-15 foot seas. Supposedly they all had life jackets on which is the one saving grace at this point in time.

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 09:00 AM
They shouldn't have been anchored. Head slowly into the waves and call for Coast Guard help. It's amazing that the one guy was able to stay with the boat in 10-15 foot seas. Supposedly they all had life jackets on which is the one saving grace at this point in time.

Isn't it common to anchor if the boat is experiencing engine/power issues? Wouldn't they do that to avoid floating out further? I imagine we will hear that they experienced some sort of engine or power failure making it difficult to call for help. What I want to know is if they had cell phones available to them before they started to encounter difficulty. By the time they figured they needed help then those phones may have been water logged.

Also, was there any reason why they would NOT want to call for help immediately when they realized they were in trouble? Like drugs, perhaps? Just speculating here. Not making any accusations. My idiot BIL's experience has me wondering how common his lunacy is.

Otter
03-03-2009, 09:26 AM
Isn't it common to anchor if the boat is experiencing engine/power issues? Wouldn't they do that to avoid floating out further? I imagine we will hear that they experienced some sort of engine or power failure making it difficult to call for help. What I want to know is if they had cell phones available to them before they started to encounter difficulty. By the time they figured they needed help then those phones may have been water logged.

Also, was there any reason why they would NOT want to call for help immediately when they realized they were in trouble? Like drugs, perhaps? Just speculating here. Not making any accusations. My idiot BIL's experience has me wondering how common his lunacy is.

Even the most modern cell phone towers only have a reception radius of about 10 to 12 miles. From what I've read they were at least double that distance from land. No cell phone reception.

As far as calling for help did the boat have a radio? Even if it did when shit goes down like that it doesn't follow a neat flowchart. One minute you're saying "let's bring in our lines and head in, looks like rain" the next minute all hells already broken loose.

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 09:28 AM
Even the most modern cell phone towers only have a reception radius of about 10 to 12 miles. From what I've read they were at least double that distance from land. No cell phone reception.

As far as calling for help did the boat have a radio? Even if it did when shit goes down like that it doesn't follow a neat flowchart. One minute you're saying "let's bring in our lines and head in, looks like rain" the next minute all hells already broken loose.

We know that the CG did not receive a distress call so I imagine that if the boat did have a radio it was not functioning and they were out of cell phone range.

rockymtnchief
03-03-2009, 09:32 AM
Also, was there any reason why they would NOT want to call for help immediately when they realized they were in trouble? Like drugs, perhaps? Just speculating here. Not making any accusations. My idiot BIL's experience has me wondering how common his lunacy is.

I doubt that. It would be nothing to ditch drugs out in the middle of nowhere. These were men who had a little bit of money. Not guys that were desperate for their next fix. Just like you, I'm speculating.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 12:47 PM
Looks like they stayed out too late in nasty weather and got caught by surprise:

"Schuyler told rescuers the boat flipped as they were pulling up the anchor Saturday evening, Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said. None were wearing life vests at the time, but they managed to swim under the boat, grab the vests and put them on, he said.

Close said the men were able to stay together for awhile, but somehow got separated. Schuyler had propped himself on top of the boat and was hanging on to the hull when he was found about 35 miles off Clearwater"

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 12:57 PM
Looks like they stayed out too late in nasty weather and got caught by surprise:

"Schuyler told rescuers the boat flipped as they were pulling up the anchor Saturday evening, Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said. None were wearing life vests at the time, but they managed to swim under the boat, grab the vests and put them on, he said.

Close said the men were able to stay together for awhile, but somehow got separated. Schuyler had propped himself on top of the boat and was hanging on to the hull when he was found about 35 miles off Clearwater"

What an awful and lonely way to die if that is what happened to these guys. Still holding out hope for a miracle but it's looking less likely by the hour.

Valiant
03-03-2009, 01:27 PM
Isn't it common to anchor if the boat is experiencing engine/power issues? Wouldn't they do that to avoid floating out further? I imagine we will hear that they experienced some sort of engine or power failure making it difficult to call for help. What I want to know is if they had cell phones available to them before they started to encounter difficulty. By the time they figured they needed help then those phones may have been water logged.

Also, was there any reason why they would NOT want to call for help immediately when they realized they were in trouble? Like drugs, perhaps? Just speculating here. Not making any accusations. My idiot BIL's experience has me wondering how common his lunacy is.

They probably did not realize they were in trouble until they flipped the boat..

Valiant
03-03-2009, 01:30 PM
Also wondering if some bad stuff happened while they were clinging to the boat..

googlegoogle
03-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Looks like they stayed out too late in nasty weather and got caught by surprise:

"Schuyler told rescuers the boat flipped as they were pulling up the anchor Saturday evening, Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said. None were wearing life vests at the time, but they managed to swim under the boat, grab the vests and put them on, he said.

Close said the men were able to stay together for awhile, but somehow got separated. Schuyler had propped himself on top of the boat and was hanging on to the hull when he was found about 35 miles off Clearwater"


and they still sank? WTF? How heavy were these guys? doesn't sound right.

googlegoogle
03-03-2009, 02:06 PM
heard a rumor that's backed with some science that black people can't float.

if you google it you will get some hits.

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Also wondering if some bad stuff happened while they were clinging to the boat..

Yep , Sharks.

This is bad news. now the Raiders are going to need a linebacker in the draft and they may make a trade to move up.

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 02:16 PM
They probably did not realize they were in trouble until they flipped the boat..

I would think when the waves started coming near the top of the boat is when most people would think it's time to turn back. I don't know what happened but I think it is a sad story no matter who the people are. It would just be an awful way to go.

B_Ambuehl
03-03-2009, 02:16 PM
heard a rumor that's backed with some science that black people can't float.

if you google it you will get some hits

I was gonna say something abou that yesterday but didn't think it was appropriate. It is true though. Blacks have greater bone density and that makes them less buoyant. More muscle only adds to the lack of buoyancy. A lean 250 pound black man without a lifejacket sinks like an anchor.

Baconeater
03-03-2009, 02:27 PM
I was gonna say something abou that yesterday but didn't think it was appropriate. It is true though. Blacks have greater bone density and that makes them less buoyant. More muscle only adds to the lack of buoyancy. A lean 250 pound black man without a lifejacket sinks like an anchor.
I would've thought their fast-twitch muscles would make up for that.

Buck
03-03-2009, 02:49 PM
I was having a tough time sleeping last night because I just kept thinking about this and then it made me think of Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams.

Its sad how it seems like every year we lose an NFL player. They are people too, but it just seems like they are almost untouchable...

MOhillbilly
03-03-2009, 02:54 PM
I was having a tough time sleeping last night because I just kept thinking about this and then it made me think of Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams.

Its sad how it seems like every year we lose an NFL player. They are people too, but it just seems like they are almost untouchable...

better them than me.

DaFace
03-03-2009, 02:54 PM
I was having a tough time sleeping last night because I just kept thinking about this and then it made me think of Sean Taylor and Darrent Williams.

Its sad how it seems like every year we lose an NFL player. They are people too, but it just seems like they are almost untouchable...

I agree with you to a point. On the one hand, it's extremely sad whenever you hear of things like this. On the other hand, I highly doubt that this situation is unique. There are probably a number of boats lost at sea every year. We just never hear about them unless someone famous is on board.

I certainly don't mean to be unsympathetic, and I hope that by some crazy stroke of fate that they are still alive, but I don't tend to get any more emotionally involved in cases like this than if it were some random guy I had never heard of.

googlegoogle
03-03-2009, 03:02 PM
I was gonna say something abou that yesterday but didn't think it was appropriate. It is true though. Blacks have greater bone density and that makes them less buoyant. More muscle only adds to the lack of buoyancy. A lean 250 pound black man without a lifejacket sinks like an anchor.


I doubt the scared media will ever bring it up.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 03:05 PM
and they still sank? WTF? How heavy were these guys? doesn't sound right.

Who says they sank?

Buck
03-03-2009, 03:07 PM
One of the 3 is Caucasian.

Johnny Vegas
03-03-2009, 03:07 PM
they're all wearing life jackets.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 03:32 PM
2 hours for a miracle. Coast Guard says it will end search at sunset.

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 03:44 PM
Coast Guard ending search for NFL players

The Coast Guard announced that it will end its search for NFL players Corey Smith and Marquis Cooper and former college player Will Bleakley at 6:30 ET Tuesday.
A life vest and cooler were found near where Nick Schuyler was rescued, but Schuyler is currently the lone survivor. The Coast Guard officially calls the hunt "suspended," but it won't resume barring an unexpected break. "Any search and rescue case where we have to stop is disappointing," Capt. Timothy Close said. "I think the families understood we put in a tremendous effort." Asked why the search was halted, Close said "It has to do with our confidence level that we would found anybody on the surface level at this point." Mar. 3 - 4:33 pm et
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

MIAdragon
03-03-2009, 03:47 PM
So very sad.

baitism
03-03-2009, 03:47 PM
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Too soon? lol

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 03:49 PM
They're on an island out there somewhere. They're waiting to be released by their teams, and then they're gonna come back and play for better teams.

MIAdragon
03-03-2009, 03:51 PM
They're on an island out there somewhere. They're waiting to be released by their teams, and then they're gonna come back and play for better teams.



Not many islands on that side of Florida.

Nightwish
03-03-2009, 04:14 PM
I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 04:16 PM
If I'm a family member I'm chartering a plane and some boats tomorrow morning in hopes of a miracle.

Buck
03-03-2009, 04:18 PM
Wow. This is a really depressing story.

Prayers to the family.

Valiant
03-03-2009, 04:37 PM
Yep , Sharks.

This is bad news. now the Raiders are going to need a linebacker in the draft and they may make a trade to move up.

I was thinking survival and fighting to stay on the capsized boat over the others... IE every man for themselves..

It does not make sense for the 3 to wander off from the boat that far away from shore unless they were incoherent..

memyselfI
03-03-2009, 04:38 PM
If I'm a family member I'm chartering a plane and some boats tomorrow morning in hopes of a miracle.

It would be almost impossible to have survived those conditions once they were separated from the boat. No drinking water and the temperature of the water and air. Not a good combination.

I believe in miracles but in this situation unless the are floating atop something then I can't see how they are alive. They apparently found a life jacket and a cooler floating about with no sign of the men.

I can't even imagine the guilt that the one who was rescued is going to feel.

Chiefnj2
03-03-2009, 05:14 PM
I was thinking survival and fighting to stay on the capsized boat over the others... IE every man for themselves..

It does not make sense for the 3 to wander off from the boat that far away from shore unless they were incoherent..

What are you going to hold onto in 15 foot seas? Even if there was something to grab hypothermia sets in and you would lose function of your hand muscles.

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 05:45 PM
Man im glad they found 1 of them, but it looks grim for the others...

scary shit

Denver Dave
03-03-2009, 05:48 PM
From the St. Petersburg Times :(

5:14 p.m.: The only man rescued so far from an overturned boat in the Gulf of Mexico told Coast Guard investigators a bizarre story about the fate of the other three.

Nick Schuyler, 24, told investigators that about two to four hours after their boat capsized Saturday in rough seas, one of the two professional football players gave up hope and let himself be swept away, according to family members of two of the missing men.

A few hours later, the second one did the same.

"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will, 25, is also still missing.

With former Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith gone, only Schuyler and Bleakley remained clinging to the boat.

Then, sometime Monday morning, Will Bleakley thought he saw a light in the distance and decided to take off his life jacket and swim to it, hoping to get help.

"I think he was delusional to think he could swim someplace," Bleakley said.

Ray Sanchez, Cooper's cousin, said the Coast Guard told him the same thing, but cautioned against taking Schuyler's story as gospel at this point.

"We're not 100 percent sure where his head was at," Sanchez said. "He'd been through a lot."

---Craig Pittman and Brant James, Times staff writers

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 05:49 PM
Man this is really sad...

it sounds as if they are gone :(

Buck
03-03-2009, 05:49 PM
From the St. Petersburg Times :(

5:14 p.m.: The only man rescued so far from an overturned boat in the Gulf of Mexico told Coast Guard investigators a bizarre story about the fate of the other three.

Nick Schuyler, 24, told investigators that about two to four hours after their boat capsized Saturday in rough seas, one of the two professional football players gave up hope and let himself be swept away, according to family members of two of the missing men.

A few hours later, the second one did the same.

"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will, 25, is also still missing.

With former Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith gone, only Schuyler and Bleakley remained clinging to the boat.

Then, sometime Monday morning, Will Bleakley thought he saw a light in the distance and decided to take off his life jacket and swim to it, hoping to get help.

"I think he was delusional to think he could swim someplace," Bleakley said.

Ray Sanchez, Cooper's cousin, said the Coast Guard told him the same thing, but cautioned against taking Schuyler's story as gospel at this point.

"We're not 100 percent sure where his head was at," Sanchez said. "He'd been through a lot."

---Craig Pittman and Brant James, Times staff writers

Why would they take their life jackets off to swim away or float away? I don't get it...

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 05:50 PM
Why would they take their life jackets off to swim away or float away? I don't get it...

They lost hope is what it sounds like

Buck
03-03-2009, 05:52 PM
After 2 - 4 Hours he let himself get swept away....

That guy must be a little delusional. I think anyone would hang on for more than 2-4 Hours.

Valiant
03-03-2009, 05:59 PM
What are you going to hold onto in 15 foot seas? Even if there was something to grab hypothermia sets in and you would lose function of your hand muscles.

I meant more that they fought each other for the spot on top of the capsized boat..

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 06:00 PM
After 2 - 4 Hours he let himself get swept away....

That guy must be a little delusional. I think anyone would hang on for more than 2-4 Hours.

Wonder if they had any clue how long they had been out there...

No one really knows till their in that situation, the mind def. fucks with you and you think no one will come

Stinger
03-03-2009, 06:04 PM
From the St. Petersburg Times :(

5:14 p.m.: The only man rescued so far from an overturned boat in the Gulf of Mexico told Coast Guard investigators a bizarre story about the fate of the other three.

Nick Schuyler, 24, told investigators that about two to four hours after their boat capsized Saturday in rough seas, one of the two professional football players gave up hope and let himself be swept away, according to family members of two of the missing men.

A few hours later, the second one did the same.

"We were told that Nick said the two NFL players took their life jackets off and drifted out to sea," said Bob Bleakley, whose son Will, 25, is also still missing.

With former Tampa Bay Buccaneers Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith gone, only Schuyler and Bleakley remained clinging to the boat.

Then, sometime Monday morning, Will Bleakley thought he saw a light in the distance and decided to take off his life jacket and swim to it, hoping to get help.

"I think he was delusional to think he could swim someplace," Bleakley said.

Ray Sanchez, Cooper's cousin, said the Coast Guard told him the same thing, but cautioned against taking Schuyler's story as gospel at this point.

"We're not 100 percent sure where his head was at," Sanchez said. "He'd been through a lot."

---Craig Pittman and Brant James, Times staff writers

If that was the way it went down. WOW....... :eek: :eek:

CrazyPhuD
03-03-2009, 06:08 PM
After 2 - 4 Hours he let himself get swept away....

That guy must be a little delusional. I think anyone would hang on for more than 2-4 Hours.

Not if you're suffering from initial effects of hypothermia. While the water may not have been cold enough, one has to consider what the impacts would have been drenched in wet clothes and high winds. The wind chill could have been enough to start the hypothermia process. Once you are in there, your judgment falters significantly.

Denver Dave
03-03-2009, 06:09 PM
Wonder if they had any clue how long they had been out there...

No one really knows till their in that situation, the mind def. ****s with you and you think no one will come

Exactly. Who knows what their intentions were, but if you're a fisherman at heart, going out doing something you love is not the worst way to die.

Maybe they were at peace with their demise and decided to go out on their terms, just floating on top of the water at the place they enjoyed fishing.

Fish
03-03-2009, 06:10 PM
After 2 - 4 Hours he let himself get swept away....

That guy must be a little delusional. I think anyone would hang on for more than 2-4 Hours.

You'd be surprised. People often make bad/unexplained decisions when in a life and death situation. Add in the fact that it's very disorienting out on the water in the dark in rough waters. Stories of delusion are common.

Rain Man
03-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Wow, that's an odd story. I'd think you wouldn't give up hope that fast. The guys on the Indianapolis were in the water for several days if I remember right.

I watched a show on the Indianapolis, and it mentioned that if you drink salt water you start hallucinating and going delirious. I wonder if that could've played a role.

Denver Dave
03-03-2009, 06:18 PM
Gulf can turn vicious quickly

By Terry Tomalin, St. Petersburg Times Outdoors Editor
Published Monday, March 2, 2009

People joke about the Gulf of Mexico. They call it a pond, say it has no waves. But they have never been at sea and felt the full force of a late-season winter cold front.

I've seen the gulf get nasty — 10-foot seas and 40 mph winds. I've knelt on the deck and prayed, cursing my ignorance and damning the decisions of others. And I've learned from my mistakes.

People die in the cold water of the Gulf of Mexico — quickly, without warning, sometimes within sight of land.

Four friends decide to go fishing in 21-foot boat. Hoping to catch amberjack, they travel 50 miles from shore to get a good spot. Smart fishermen hit the farthest spot first, then work their way back.

The weather report called for calm seas in the morning. But in the afternoon, a cold front would sweep down from the north.

So they take off across 2-foot seas and head toward their fishing spot.

Perhaps they were anchored up fishing, or maybe running home when they realized that the front had arrived earlier than predicted. The 2-foot seas built quickly to 4 feet, then 6 feet. All it takes is one 8-foot wave to swamp a boat.

Hopefully, they would be wearing personal flotation devices, but the sad truth is most boaters don't when under way. Their 21-foot boat was built to float, even full of water.

So they cling to the hull, knowing that as long as they hang on, they will be safe. But the real enemy isn't drowning. It's the cold.

Offshore, 20 or more miles from land, the water temperature is hovering in the mid to low 60s, the air temperature only slightly warmer. Even in a wetsuit, you will become chilled within an hour.

Hypothermia creeps up slowly. By the time you realize you are in trouble, it is usually too late.

Judgment is the first thing to go. Then the motor skills. A strong person may survive for four or five hours, but unless they get out of the cold water, they are on the losing end of a mathematical equation.

The only help is rescue. But finding an overturned boat in the Gulf of Mexico is literally like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. If the boaters were smart, they left a "float plan" with a friend or relative detailing where they went and when they planned to be back.

If not, the Coast Guard would wait for a missing persons report. By then, it could already be too late.

A well-prepared boater carries an Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon that will send a distress signal to a satellite orbiting overhead. The price of these lifesavers has come down in recent years. You can buy one for $500 to $750.

Once in the Dry Tortugas, aboard a sailboat catching the full force of a late-season winter cold front, I searched for an EPIRB that wasn't there.

I knelt on the deck and prayed, promising God that if I lived, I would never be so stupid again. Thankfully, I was allowed to learn from experience.

Others are not so lucky.

KChiefsQT
03-03-2009, 06:19 PM
So terribly sad. My heart goes out to all of their loved ones. Rest in Peace.

Buck
03-03-2009, 06:21 PM
Welp, RIP.

Baconeater
03-03-2009, 06:42 PM
:(

googlegoogle
03-04-2009, 12:48 AM
jesus.

what a disaster.

Do not trust those f***ing cell phones. Boaters should always have some kind of radio signaling device. And they shouldn't cost $500. Any radio discharging circuit can be seen with detectors.

MahiMike
03-04-2009, 07:31 AM
Anyone see Open Water 2?

rockymtnchief
03-04-2009, 08:09 AM
Anyone see Open Water 2?

I hope it was better than 'Open Water 1'?

mrub4
03-04-2009, 11:53 AM
So they cling to the hull, knowing that as long as they hang on, they will be safe. But the real enemy isn't drowning. It's the cold. ... Hypothermia creeps up slowly. By the time you realize you are in trouble, it is usually too late.

Judgment is the first thing to go. Then the motor skills. A strong person may survive for four or five hours, but unless they get out of the cold water, they are on the losing end of a mathematical equation.

I watched an interesting set of videos not too long ago, I'll see if I can dig 'em up again. They had people with various abilities (a swimmer, canadian special forces, etc) get in relatively calm, cold water and do what they had to do to make it to the other boat/survive. Two boats were spaced maybe 30' apart from each other, and a couple of the people started swimming away from either boats almost immediately. Others got really winded, gave up, went back to the first boat. I think only one guy out of 8 or so actually managed to reach the second boat on his own.

A well-prepared boater carries an Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon that will send a distress signal to a satellite orbiting overhead. The price of these lifesavers has come down in recent years. You can buy one for $500 to $750.

This is what amazes me the most. IMO you're crazy to go off-shore without an EPIRB or PLB, especially given the relatively cheap prices. A plain EPIRB can have a S&R team notified to within ~3miles or so of your location, in about 10 minutes. An EPIRB with GPS will bring them to within 100 yards.


edit: Found the video link: http://www.coldwaterbootcamp.com/pages/bootcampersv2.html . These people were in 42 degree water. The guy at the right of the first row, towards the end when he does his second attempt, tries to put on a life jacket after he's already in the water. The guy rescued by the CG had said one of the others had swam under the boat to retrieve the lifejackets. There's a very good chance they never actually got them on-- hence why the found one floating with the cooler.

memyselfI
03-04-2009, 02:20 PM
St. Petersburg Times is reporting that the survivor told authorities that the three missing men took off their life vests 3-5 hours after the boat capsized and 'drifted away.' :spock:

This story is getting weird.

MOhillbilly
03-04-2009, 02:34 PM
heard an account a few years back from a sailor who was aboard the uss indianapolis. he said some of the crewmen got the idea in there heads that if they dived down below the thermocline the water would be fresh and ok to drink.

munkey
03-04-2009, 03:06 PM
heard an account a few years back from a sailor who was aboard the uss indianapolis. he said some of the crewmen got the idea in there heads that if they dived down below the thermocline the water would be fresh and ok to drink.

Yep...you get the whole story of the Indianapolis on shark week's explorer.

A lot of them drank salt water...that's some nasty stuff...

B_Ambuehl
03-04-2009, 09:29 PM
edit: Found the video link: http://www.coldwaterbootcamp.com/pag...campersv2.html . These people were in 42 degree water. The guy at the right of the first row, towards the end when he does his second attempt, tries to put on a life jacket after he's already in the water. The guy rescued by the CG had said one of the others had swam under the boat to retrieve the lifejackets. There's a very good chance they never actually got them on-- hence why the found one floating with the cooler.

Interesting site. If you take a look at the chart at the bottom of this page they show how long it takes for hypothermia to set in under various temperatures and body types:

http://www.coldwaterbootcamp.com/pages/1_10_60v2.html

A tall lean male in water around 65 degrees (~16 celsius) might last less only ~4 hours, but a fatter individual might last 25 hours.