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SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 06:47 AM
I personally believe that Tamba Hali will be an absolute stud in the 3-4 defense. I think he is similar to Mike Vrabel in that he never gives up on a play. He is very active and gives himself fully to the cause.

I have read that Hali is 'too slow'. Does anyone know what Vrabel's 40 yard dash time was? Or any of his drills? I am just wondering how they stack up to Hali's.

Braincase
03-02-2009, 06:54 AM
Depends on whether he uses his Rascal, Segway, or Pride personal mobility device.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 06:54 AM
Tamba Hali gets beat by QB's around the end...if you think he can play OLB in a 3-4 I feel bad for you the guy is a marginal starter in a 4-3 defense let alone a 3-4 defense.

I'm ready to be rid of the guy. 40 time or not Tamba Hali plays slow.

Amnorix
03-02-2009, 06:58 AM
Wow. The 40 time of a 12 year vet.

Welker's 40 time is pretty slow too. Pats should probably cut him...

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:01 AM
Wow. The 40 time of a 12 year vet.

Welker's 40 time is pretty slow too. Pats should probably cut him...

He's trying to argue Hali is fast enough yadda yadda, I don't know how anyone that has ever watched him play could logically argue that.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:11 AM
He's trying to argue Hali is fast enough yadda yadda, I don't know how anyone that has ever watched him play could logically argue that.

We will get a chance to see this year as Hali will be an OLB in the 3-4.

By the way, I guess the Chiefs saw Sanchez more like I did than like you did.

It is nice to see the Chiefs making smart moves.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:12 AM
Wow. The 40 time of a 12 year vet.

Welker's 40 time is pretty slow too. Pats should probably cut him...

I actually meant coming out of college.

Vrabel was never the fastest guy. He was just a football player.

Amnorix
03-02-2009, 07:15 AM
He's trying to argue Hali is fast enough yadda yadda, I don't know how anyone that has ever watched him play could logically argue that.

That's nice. There's 40 times in shorts and T-shirts, and then there is playing fast on the field with full pads and guys running around in every direction.

40 times are nice, but they're not useful for evaluating current NFL players, really.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 07:16 AM
3.5 minutes

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:16 AM
You know what Tamba Hali is really good at?

Getting injured.

I can't believe anyone still gives a shit about him to be honest you'd think after 3 years people would realize the guy just isn't very good.

Amnorix
03-02-2009, 07:17 AM
I actually meant coming out of college.

Vrabel was never the fastest guy. He was just a football player.

Turned out to be an EXTREMELY good football player. 40 times are just a measuring device to try to help assess a player that you're projecting into the NFL from college. They're not very useful for evaluating existing NFL players.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:17 AM
I think he missed the point of what he was trying to say anyway because Hali had a shitty 40 and doesn't play fast either he's slow, pretty blah and injury prone.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:18 AM
There is no way I believe this is a legit screen name. This has to be a spoof or something. No way can one human being be this fucking stupid.

Tamba Hali a stud in a 3-4?

I can't stop laughing.

Brock
03-02-2009, 07:18 AM
Vrabel is far better than Hali even at his advanced age.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 07:20 AM
This guy's going to be disappointed when they either cut Hali or have him put on 25 pounds and play him at end.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:21 AM
Lets put Glenn Dorsey at MLB while we're at it.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:24 AM
Turned out to be an EXTREMELY good football player. 40 times are just a measuring device to try to help assess a player that you're projecting into the NFL from college. They're not very useful for evaluating existing NFL players.

The point was to compare it to Hali.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:25 AM
Why can't we just admit Tamba Hali is a shitty player that was part of the worst pass rush in NFL history and move on?

Why do we always have to have some affair with keeping some underachieving first round pick for 10 years?

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:27 AM
There is no way I believe this is a legit screen name. This has to be a spoof or something. No way can one human being be this ****ing stupid.

Tamba Hali a stud in a 3-4?

I can't stop laughing.

Just remember this during the upcoming season. Hey, I may be dead wrong. But, I think it will be far closer to me than you.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:28 AM
Just remember this during the upcoming season. Hey, I may be dead wrong. But, I think it will be far closer to me than you.

Yea just like the guy who wanted to bet Hali would get 10 sacks this year too...if you put Hali out there at OLB you are going to get absolutely killed. He's slow and stiff he couldn't hang with a FB in coverage.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:28 AM
This guy's going to be disappointed when they either cut Hali or have him put on 25 pounds and play him at end.

First, there is no way that Hali gets cut. He is exactly the kind of player that the new Chiefs regime will covet.

Second, there is no way the Chiefs will tell him to add weight and play end.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:29 AM
Just remember this during the upcoming season. Hey, I may be dead wrong. But, I think it will be far closer to me than you.

Based on what exactly?

A DE, who is often injured, who is too slow to play in coverage as an OLB, and has never had high sack totals?

You think he's going to be a stud in a scheme he's never played in before?

When we cut his ass, will you leave this board for good?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:30 AM
First, there is no way that Hali gets cut. He is exactly the kind of player that the new Chiefs regime will covet.

Second, there is no way the Chiefs will tell him to add weight and play end.

They covet guys who don't fit their scheme properly?

So you are calling them dumb?

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:31 AM
Why can't we just admit Tamba Hali is a shitty player that was part of the worst pass rush in NFL history and move on?

Why do we always have to have some affair with keeping some underachieving first round pick for 10 years?

Because, he isn't. It really is that simple.

There is no way he is a 'shitty' player. At the very least, he is a solid starter, if not a difference maker.

But, in the 3-4, I think he will be a stud.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:32 AM
Based on what exactly?

A DE, who is often injured, who is too slow to play in coverage as an OLB, and has never had high sack totals?

You think he's going to be a stud in a scheme he's never played in before?

When we cut his ass, will you leave this board for good?

If we don't cut his ass, will YOU leave?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:32 AM
He is not a 3-4 player I swear...

Even Chiefzilla agreed with me about this, you are literally the only person on earth who thinks he can play OLB.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:33 AM
They covet guys who don't fit their scheme properly?

So you are calling them dumb?

No, they knew better than to draft Sanchez... so, definitely not dumb.

I think you are dumb for not thinking that Hali will fit the scheme. But, then again, you thought Sanchez was worth the #3 pick... so, I guess I should take your opinions with a grain of salt.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 07:33 AM
Second, there is no way the Chiefs will tell him to add weight and play end.Yeah, I'm sure they'd never do that. I mean, it's not like he played DT at Penn State, or like he struggled with both pass rushing and against the run at DE in the pros. I mean, it's like he's a carbon copy of Shawne "roidman" Merriman.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:34 AM
I'm sorry you can spout any view you want but acting like Tamba Hali will excel in the 3-4 is like thinking Chad Pennington would be great in a downfield passing attack.

Seriously anyone that has watched Hali for more than 10 minutes should be able to quickly look at you and tell you there's no way he can play OLB.

Guess actually watching someone is to much to ask.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:34 AM
If we don't cut his ass, will YOU leave?

You are the douchebag with the completely laughable screen name and posts.

Hali is exactly the type of player the Patriots covet?

Based on what?

Tamba Hali wouldn't even be a 3rd DE or 3rd OLB on the Patriots rosters.

He was a reach in 2006 when everyone thought he was at best a 2nd round pick, and he has proven that EVERYONE was right.

He sucks, and you suck.

Brock
03-02-2009, 07:35 AM
He's just a guy. He could be gotten rid of and nobody would care or miss his production, if you want to call it that.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:36 AM
He's just a guy. He could be gotten rid of and nobody would care or miss his production, if you want to call it that.

Well other than this guy and possibly KCJohnny.

Ultra Peanut
03-02-2009, 07:36 AM
I personally believe that Tamba Hali will be an absolute stud in the 3-4 defense.http://i39.tinypic.com/24nfmsi.jpg

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:36 AM
He is not a 3-4 player I swear...

Even Chiefzilla agreed with me about this, you are literally the only person on earth who thinks he can play OLB.

I know that Soren Petro agrees with me on this. So, that is at least two people here on earth that think that way.

Oh, and from what I have seen, the people who would be considered smart on planet earth, often aren't on Chiefs Planet.

I am sure Scott Pioli would have a negative rep from most of the douchebags in here.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:37 AM
Soren Petro also loved Carl Peterson...oh shit you did too.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:38 AM
I know that Soren Petro agrees with me on this. So, that is at least two people here on earth that think that way.

Oh, and from what I have seen, the people who would be considered smart on planet earth, often aren't on Chiefs Planet.

I am sure Scott Pioli would have a negative rep from most of the douchebags in here.

Soren Petro - good point of reference.

I'm sure the people you have direct interactions with are some rocket scientists.

Scott Pioli has 3 championship rings to fall back on.

What do you have?

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:39 AM
He's just a guy. He could be gotten rid of and nobody would care or miss his production, if you want to call it that.

If the Chiefs could trade the guy, I would be fine with it. I am not saying he is going to be a hall of famer. I just think he will be a stud in this defense.

I think he will be a guy that will open people's eyes next year.

And, it will be fun to refresh this thread.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:39 AM
Soren Petro also loved Carl Peterson...oh shit you did too.

It's like this fuckstick takes every counter-argument and tries to make it gospel.

Herm is leaving /everyone with a brain

It wouldn't surprise me if Herm stays/douchebag named SensibleChiefsfan.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:39 AM
I'd trade Tamba Hali for a sack of hammers, I view him like I view Larry Johnson a player that needs to go right now.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:40 AM
If the Chiefs could trade the guy, I would be fine with it. I am not saying he is going to be a hall of famer. I just think he will be a stud in this defense.

I think he will be a guy that will open people's eyes next year.

And, it will be fun to refresh this thread.

Oh don't worry.

Come December, I will refresh all of your threads to laugh.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:40 AM
It's like this fuckstick takes every counter-argument and tries to make it gospel.

Herm is leaving /everyone with a brain

It wouldn't surprise me if Herm stays/douchebag named SensibleChiefsfan.

I think he just thinks up some take no one will agree with and then runs with that...

Hell I can agree with posters I generally don't if they say something logical but this guy is the worst at this kind of thing.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:41 AM
Oh don't worry.

Come December, I will refresh all of your threads to laugh.

This literally reminds me of the guy who wanted to bet that Hali would get 10 sacks this past year..

What is with the couple of people who love this guy? What does he do to make anyone excited? Does a guy injuring himself somehow excite people?

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:42 AM
Soren Petro also loved Carl Peterson...oh shit you did too.

Soren Petro doesn't mndlessly bash things..... so I see why you aren't a fan.

I was all in favore of CP going, for the record. With that said, I am not ignorant enough to think that there was no talent in the front office, or on the coaching staff or on the field.

Luckily, Scott Pioli is smart enough to see that.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:43 AM
I want to know wtf Tamba Hali has ever done or displayed to make you think he could remotely play a LB position.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:44 AM
Oh don't worry.

Come December, I will refresh all of your threads to laugh.

I am sure there will be some that will be laughable. There are guys much more brilliant than I am who have failed at NFL predictions.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 07:44 AM
I want to know wtf Tamba Hali has ever done or displayed to make you think he could remotely play a LB position.His blazing speed around the corner, his great play against the run and his unparalleled skill when he drops into coverage.

ChiTown
03-02-2009, 07:44 AM
There is no way I believe this is a legit screen name. This has to be a spoof or something. No way can one human being be this ****ing stupid.

Tamba Hali a stud in a 3-4?

I can't stop laughing.

I agree

ROFL

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:45 AM
Sensible,

Is KCJohnny your dad?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:45 AM
His blazing speed around the corner, his great play against the run and his unparalleled skill when he drops into coverage.

This cracked me up because it's true the guy isn't good at anything.

SNR
03-02-2009, 07:46 AM
Anybody got a link to that video of Tamba Hali learning ju-jitsu?

People like Sensible are still probably watching that and going, "oooohhh, Tamba is going to be a jedi! Crazy mind powers and lightning quick reflexes! He should be able to dominate in the NFL now!"

They get disappointed when it turns out that didn't help his game one bit, so they cling to the idea still.

"He's a great NFL story! Troubled life growing up in a war-torn area of Africa! Wants to make enough money to send his family over to the states! AWESOME LB IN A 3-4!!!111"

I hope he made enough money off of his 1st round contract to get his family over to the states. I really do. Now I wish he would just go play somewhere else. Like in Canada.

SNR
03-02-2009, 07:47 AM
Oh, and WTF in the OP? Are we actually using a draft pick to "draft" Vrabel as a rookie? Does he need to participate in the combine now? :spock:

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:49 AM
I want to know wtf Tamba Hali has ever done or displayed to make you think he could remotely play a LB position.

Well, #1, he makes plays all over the field. How many times did you see him come from behind to make a play 10 or 20 yards downfield because someone else blew an assignment? Tons of times.

#2) He is a very fluid athlete. He has good hips for coverage, and the Chiefs used him quite a bit in coverage especially his first year.

#3) He has a good vertical.

The key though, is that he is relentless and never quits.

Time will tell. It is easy to claim you are 'right' in February. Lets see what happens come December.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:50 AM
Anyone that has ever watched Tamba Hali and thought playmaker or thought fluid must have been on serious LSD at the time.

SNR
03-02-2009, 07:51 AM
I'll bet Hali is the first NFL player to ever attempt to incorporate martial arts into his football technique! He's going to be so dominant!!!!11

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SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:52 AM
His blazing speed around the corner, his great play against the run and his unparalleled skill when he drops into coverage.

That is the point of the Vrabel comparison.

Vrabel wasn't a great physical numbers guy either.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 07:53 AM
Anyone that has ever watched Tamba Hali and thought playmaker or thought fluid must have been on serious LSD at the time.

Who loaned it to you so you could watch Sanchez?

bowener
03-02-2009, 07:54 AM
I think Hali's 40 time is less of the matter. I think what is a major problem for him may be his mental clocking speed. Not sure if he can register what is happening on the field fast enough in his mind to make the play.

Brock
03-02-2009, 07:54 AM
That is the point of the Vrabel comparison.

Vrabel wasn't a great physical numbers guy either.

The result of the Vrabel comparison is that you made Tamba Hali look pretty bad.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:54 AM
Well, #1, he makes plays all over the field. How many times did you see him come from behind to make a play 10 or 20 yards downfield because someone else blew an assignment? Tons of times.

#2) He is a very fluid athlete. He has good hips for coverage, and the Chiefs used him quite a bit in coverage especially his first year.

#3) He has a good vertical.

The key though, is that he is relentless and never quits.

Time will tell. It is easy to claim you are 'right' in February. Lets see what happens come December.

So the key to an OLB is tackling guys 20 yards down field, and having a high vertical?

He's stiff as a fucking board. Have you watched him try to cover a FB in the flat? It's fucking laughable.

I know a lot of athletes that never quit. Problem is that they aren't talented or athletic enough to make a difference.

If Tamba Hali didn't have a high motor, he'd be selling insurance in State College.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:54 AM
Who loaned it to you so you could watch Sanchez?

I'd like to know what those 2 guys have to do with each other and hey when Mark Sanchez is good this will be a funny debate, but forget all of that now the draft is a semantic debate about what players you believe in.

This is a debate about a player that's been in the NFL for 3 years and frankly sucks.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:55 AM
So the key to an OLB is tackling guys 20 yards down field, and having a high vertical?

He's stiff as a fucking board. Have you watched him try to cover a FB in the flat? It's fucking laughable.

I know a lot of athletes that never quit. Problem is that they aren't talented or athletic enough to make a difference.

If Tamba Hali didn't have a high motor, he'd be selling insurance in State College.

This guy in another thread told me Cromartie was no better than Hali so lets get an idea of his starting point.

The Bad Guy
03-02-2009, 07:56 AM
I'd like to know what those 2 guys have to do with each other and hey when Mark Sanchez is good this will be a funny debate, but forget all of that now the draft is a semantic debate about what players you believe in.

This is a debate about a player that's been in the NFL for 3 years and frankly sucks.

C'mon now. His fluid hips and vertical will lead him to do great things in a scheme he's never played in before.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 07:56 AM
I can't believe we're having this discussion about Eric Hicks, err Tamba Hali.

SNR
03-02-2009, 07:56 AM
Who loaned it to you so you could watch Sanchez?Sanchez hasn't even been drafted yet, and has far more upside and talent than you give him credit for.

Tamba Hali has already played in the NFL. For 3 seasons. Last season he demonstrated how pitiful he is when he doesn't have a 15-sack 4-3 DE on the other side of the line helping him out. He's PROVEN that the NFL is too big for him to find success in. Sanchez hasn't proven anything yet... might be an all-pro, he might be a bust. Whatever he is, he has far more upside in his future NFL career than Hali.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 07:57 AM
C'mon now. His fluid hips and vertical will lead him to do great things in a scheme he's never played in before.

If Tamba Hali is fluid the guys who can really move must not even have a word...

SNR
03-02-2009, 07:58 AM
I like Boomer Grigbsy a lot. He has a good motor and works hard. He'll be a good safety when we switch defensive schemes.

ChiTown
03-02-2009, 07:59 AM
I want to apologize to my brain for participating in this stupid thread.......

ChiefsOne
03-02-2009, 08:03 AM
That's nice. There's 40 times in shorts and T-shirts, and then there is playing fast on the field with full pads and guys running around in every direction.

40 times are nice, but they're not useful for evaluating current NFL players, really.

Well then what was his 225 rep?

Crush
03-02-2009, 08:14 AM
I want to apologize to my brain for participating in this stupid thread.......


LMAO

Crush
03-02-2009, 08:16 AM
Tamba Hali in the 3-4? That is not very sensible.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 08:17 AM
Tamba Hali in the 3-4? That is not very sensible.

The only way he'd be a stud in the 3-4 is if they told him he was back in Africa and handed him a gun and told him he could shoot the opposing players.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-02-2009, 08:31 AM
Sanchez hasn't even been drafted yet, and has far more upside and talent than you give him credit for.

Tamba Hali has already played in the NFL. For 3 seasons. Last season he demonstrated how pitiful he is when he doesn't have a 15-sack 4-3 DE on the other side of the line helping him out. He's PROVEN that the NFL is too big for him to find success in. Sanchez hasn't proven anything yet... might be an all-pro, he might be a bust. Whatever he is, he has far more upside in his future NFL career than Hali.

As a rookie, he didn't have a 15 sack guy helping him out. You know, the year he led the Chiefs in sacks.

I am not saying he is Jared Allen. In fact, it is clear that he is not a premier DE in a 4-3.

But, I think he will be a good fit for the 3-4.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 09:15 AM
Hali could play outside in a 3-4, no doubt about it. Will he be great? Who knows. He's played standing up before...

crazycoffey
03-02-2009, 09:26 AM
Hali could play outside in a 3-4, no doubt about it. Will he be great? Who knows. He's played standing up before...


But, but mecca says....

as usual someone said an opinion and mecca and TBG are first on scene to bash the idea. I have no idea if hali would be good or not, I know he's done good standing up before, and I know he's got the build to be an OLB in a 3-4. So of course that stands to reason that he may be able to do it. I don't care if he does or not, but it will be interesting to watch if the coaches try it.

why is that so hard to accept?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:28 AM
But, but mecca says....

as usual someone said an opinion and mecca and TBG are first on scene to bash the idea. I have no idea if hali would be good or not, I know he's done good standing up before, and I know he's got the build to be an OLB in a 3-4. So of course that stands to reason that he may be able to do it. I don't care if he does or not, but it will be interesting to watch if the coaches try it.

why is that so hard to accept?

Because he runs like a slug.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 09:29 AM
Hali can't take on OT's 1-on-1. But he's played serviceably in the past at DE.

I have no reason to believe he can't be a backup/situational OLB in the 3-4. Every guy on this team can't be a Tier 1 starter. You need roleplayers. Sure, it would have been nice if we hadn't spent a 1st-round pick on a roleplayer, but them's the breaks. It happens.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 09:30 AM
Because he runs like a slug.

And he can't cover TE's.

So what? He can still run downhill and get to the QB, especially if he doesn't have to take on blockers every down. And he does have a knack for stripping the ball.

There's a place on this team for Hali.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:31 AM
I don't know how you could ever put him on the field as a 3-4 OLB, he can't beat an OT 1-1 on him in coverage is painful to watch because he's not athletic or fast.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 09:38 AM
I don't know how you could ever put him on the field as a 3-4 OLB, he can't beat an OT 1-1 on him in coverage is painful to watch because he's not athletic or fast.

As a situational rusher in blitz packages.

It's not like the guy has no sacks for his career. He outperformed Jared Allen his rookie year. You can't act like he's done NOTHING - that's not true.

Ralphy Boy
03-02-2009, 09:38 AM
Here is some draft info on Hali if anyone wants to look at it. They reference him being capable of playing LB in a 3-4.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/4660.html

He was a disappointment last year on defense, but who wasn't? You go from 7.5 sacks in 2007 to 3 in 08 and its natural for people to think you've slipped. Not having Allen on the other side certainly allows offenses to load up the line against your only real pass rusher.

For those who say its time for him to go, get real. That is foolish talk, you don't just get rid of a guy just because of one year, especially not a first round draft pick when you already got rid of the defensive coordinator. Everyone on defense underachieved, you can't make excuses for Dorsey and not for Hali, who has proven more at this point than Dorsey.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:40 AM
Hali has been on the team for 3 years not 1....and he's ALWAYS injured, that's the 1 thing he's good at.

Mr. Krab
03-02-2009, 09:41 AM
I don't even know if there is a position that Hali can play in a 3-4. He might just end up getting cut. He was tried at a RDE pass rusher and failed completely and he's not particularly strong at the run at LDE in a 4-3.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:42 AM
I don't even know if there is a position that Hali can play in a 3-4. He might just end up getting cut. He was tried at a RDE pass rusher and failed completely and he's not particularly strong at the run at LDE in a 4-3.

His biggest problem is he's not really good at anything, there's nothing he excels at, he tries hard and tends to get injured.

crazycoffey
03-02-2009, 09:49 AM
cracking me up, every other post is "injuried" - I got your opinion Mecca, that's great - now go scurry along and cry about not being able to draft Sanchez. Many players play with bumps and bruises, how many games has Hali missed over the last three years?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:50 AM
Why do people like shitty players?

crazycoffey
03-02-2009, 09:51 AM
Why do people like shitty players?


I don't know, why do you like sanchez?

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 09:53 AM
Hali has been on the team for 3 years not 1....and he's ALWAYS injured, that's the 1 thing he's good at.

He's not hurt any more often than Antonio Cromartie. :evil:

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:53 AM
What the fuck does Mark Sanchez have to do with Tamba Hali and his inability to do a god damn thing, being an end on the a team that just set the record for the worst pass rush ever is qualification enough to be told to go away and not come back.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 09:53 AM
He's not hurt any more often than Antonio Cromartie. :evil:

When he produces like Cromartie we can overlook that :)

Groves
03-02-2009, 09:59 AM
my kingdom for a properly fitting shoe

buddha
03-02-2009, 10:06 AM
Tamba's done at this point.

He has never played LB or any other position where he doesn't have his hand on the ground. It's a rare player who can make that transition, and many have tried.

Tamba has done little to distinguish himself at any position, in any formation. He is no better than average amoung DEs in the NFL and he's probably not even that.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 10:06 AM
When he produces like Cromartie we can overlook that :)

You have to admit that Hali had a decent rookie campaign, even with HORRIBLE coaching.

htismaqe
03-02-2009, 10:08 AM
Tamba's done at this point.

He has never played LB or any other position where he doesn't have his hand on the ground. It's a rare player who can make that transition, and many have tried.

Tamba has done little to distinguish himself at any position, in any formation. He is no better than average amoung DEs in the NFL and he's probably not even that.

Actually, Hali played snaps standing up at PSU.

In fact, he's taken MANY snaps standing up in KC. They moved him all over the place his rookie season.

Can we at least be intellectually honest while we're tearing the guy down?

Kyle DeLexus
03-02-2009, 10:24 AM
Who loaned it to you so you could watch Sanchez?

Come on, you just said that it's easy to say a guy will suck in Feb. and you will laugh come Dec. Now your being unreasonable, at least with Hali we've seen him play as a pro and got a feel for his skill set. The ONLY thing he has going for him is his motor.

Sanchez has yet to take a pro snap, how can you compare someone liking one player to the other?

Also, just because Pioli and the KC Staff went with Cassel does not mean they didn't feel Sanchez was worth the #3 pick, they might have felt Cassel would have been worth the #3 pick and they could get him and Vrabel for a second. You don't know what went on in there office, so please stop acting like you know what they were thinking.

Dave Lane
03-02-2009, 10:37 AM
Well other than this guy and possibly KCJohnny.

Wait a minute.... Has anyone seen KCJ on here since this dimwit rolled in???

Dupe??

jidar
03-02-2009, 10:50 AM
Um...

Hali has the potential to be a decent player in the 3-4 imo. Smaller DEs are the protoypical OL players in the 3-4, and that describes Tamba Hali. I don't really think he's as slow as people on here are saying either. He had the speed to get the sacks, just not size or the burst so he was pushed back.

Besides, he stood up all through college and he's stood up for the Chiefs, and he did well when he did. I recall he actually had a pass defense in fact. I'd be going out on a limb if I said he can definitely be a stud in the 3-4, but I think it's as much of a stretch to say that he definitely can't be good in the 3-4.

The potential is there, we just need to try it and see.

SNR
03-02-2009, 11:33 AM
Hali has taken snaps standing up.

But has he taken pisses standing up?

HC_Chief
03-02-2009, 11:35 AM
Actually, Hali played snaps standing up at PSU.

In fact, he's taken MANY snaps standing up in KC. They moved him all over the place his rookie season.

Can we at least be intellectually honest while we're tearing the guy down?

No. That is not allowed here. Move along.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 12:06 PM
Wait a minute.... Has anyone seen KCJ on here since this dimwit rolled in??? Yes, I'm sorry to say.

chiefzilla1501
03-02-2009, 06:48 PM
Um...

Hali has the potential to be a decent player in the 3-4 imo. Smaller DEs are the protoypical OL players in the 3-4, and that describes Tamba Hali. I don't really think he's as slow as people on here are saying either. He had the speed to get the sacks, just not size or the burst so he was pushed back.

Besides, he stood up all through college and he's stood up for the Chiefs, and he did well when he did. I recall he actually had a pass defense in fact. I'd be going out on a limb if I said he can definitely be a stud in the 3-4, but I think it's as much of a stretch to say that he definitely can't be good in the 3-4.

The potential is there, we just need to try it and see.

Hali fared well at the LDE position opposite Jared Allen. What made that work is that the threat of Allen coming often flushed QBs toward Hali--naturally, given that most right-handed QBs roll right. Hali didn't really have to track down QBs that much because QBs were usually moving toward his direction or at least "trapped" in the pocket.

It says a lot that he struggled big time when he was moved over to RDE, a position where speed is held at a much higher premium.

Hali's strength is his burst off the line and he's decently strong for his size. But having a quick first step is not the same as being fast. He is not a guy who can catch a guy in pursuit. This is the wrong position for him. He belongs as a rotational lineman at best. The Chiefs tried him out as a falcon before and it didn't work out.

chiefzilla1501
03-02-2009, 06:54 PM
Hali can't take on OT's 1-on-1. But he's played serviceably in the past at DE.

I have no reason to believe he can't be a backup/situational OLB in the 3-4. Every guy on this team can't be a Tier 1 starter. You need roleplayers. Sure, it would have been nice if we hadn't spent a 1st-round pick on a roleplayer, but them's the breaks. It happens.

Hali's only role would be to serve as a rotational DE if the Chiefs choose to mix 3-4 and 4-3 looks. I don't think they will.

There's no reason to go with Hali. He's a 4-3 DE. He'll do fine on some other team as a rotational DE. But you shouldn't try to mold a square peg into a round hole with Hali. He put up an atrocious 40 time at the combine, and while speed isn't everything, you can't play in a LB role with a 4.8 40 time. You just can't. Not when Demarcus Ware and Merriman are running it in 4.6 or below.

EyePod
03-02-2009, 08:20 PM
Tamba Hali gets beat by QB's around the end...if you think he can play OLB in a 3-4 I feel bad for you the guy is a marginal starter in a 4-3 defense let alone a 3-4 defense.

I'm ready to be rid of the guy. 40 time or not Tamba Hali plays slow.

I think he's a great backup. But that's it. Definitely not living up to his potential (or at least where he was drafted...)

LiL stumppy
03-02-2009, 08:21 PM
Tamba Hali gets beat by QB's around the end...if you think he can play OLB in a 3-4 I feel bad for you the guy is a marginal starter in a 4-3 defense let alone a 3-4 defense.

I'm ready to be rid of the guy. 40 time or not Tamba Hali plays slow.

Whether you like him or not, he plays till the whistle unlike many NFL players.

Mecca
03-02-2009, 08:22 PM
That's nice he tries hard...

I could careless about that I care about his talent level.

LiL stumppy
03-02-2009, 08:41 PM
His talent level is far superior to anyone else on the team at that position. Hali had a bad year, so he is no officially a bust? How about we give him a try with a DC that can actually whipe his own ass.

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 08:42 PM
His talent level is far superior to anyone else on the team at that position.What position?

LiL stumppy
03-02-2009, 08:44 PM
What position?

DE

Mecca
03-02-2009, 08:45 PM
In a 3-4 he isn't a DE.

LiL stumppy
03-02-2009, 08:46 PM
In a 3-4 he isn't a DE.

Oh, didn't realize you were a coach for the KC Chiefs?

Mecca
03-02-2009, 08:48 PM
Oh, didn't realize you were a coach for the KC Chiefs?

Do you have any idea what the difference in a 4-3 and a 3-4 are really?

keg in kc
03-02-2009, 08:56 PM
Oh, didn't realize you were a coach for the KC Chiefs?You don't have to be a coach for the chiefs to understand what prototypical 3-4 ends are, or that Hali isn't one. That's why the thread has been about whether or not people think he can play OLB. He's anywhere from 15 to 30 pounds too small to play defensive end now. 3-4 ends (at least in the Patriots system - Steelers are a little more active) aren't pass rushers, their main job is to occupy space, eat up blocks so the LBs can do their job. Role is closer to 4-3 tackles than 4-3 ends.

Personally I think he's a better fit for DE than OLB, but it's less about being talented at end than not being talented enough for OLB. He's played inside at a higher weight before, in college, and that's exactly what I'd try to do with him now.

SenselessChiefsFan
03-03-2009, 08:06 AM
You don't have to be a coach for the chiefs to understand what prototypical 3-4 ends are, or that Hali isn't one. That's why the thread has been about whether or not people think he can play OLB. He's anywhere from 15 to 30 pounds too small to play defensive end now. 3-4 ends (at least in the Patriots system - Steelers are a little more active) aren't pass rushers, their main job is to occupy space, eat up blocks so the LBs can do their job. Role is closer to 4-3 tackles than 4-3 ends.

Personally I think he's a better fit for DE than OLB, but it's less about being talented at end than not being talented enough for OLB. He's played inside at a higher weight before, in college, and that's exactly what I'd try to do with him now.

I don't think he can play DE in the 3-4. Even if he adds weight, I think he will get manhandled.

Plus, that takes away from his athleticsm. For all the bashing, the guy ran a similar 40 to Terrell Suggs. He also had a 4.31 20 yard shuttle, which shows good explosion and change of direction.

I can't wait to see him in this defense.

I may be completely wrong. But, I call it like I see it, and I think that Hali will be a good fit in the new defense.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 08:55 AM
I don't think he can play DE in the 3-4. Even if he adds weight, I think he will get manhandled.

Plus, that takes away from his athleticsm. For all the bashing, the guy ran a similar 40 to Terrell Suggs. He also had a 4.31 20 yard shuttle, which shows good explosion and change of direction.

I can't wait to see him in this defense.

I may be completely wrong. But, I call it like I see it, and I think that Hali will be a good fit in the new defense.

Agreed almost 100%.

He can't play DE in the 3-4, he's not good at taking on blockers head on. He's not just too light, he's short too.

Forget the 40 and look at the shuttle time. He can close on the ball and that's enough to make him a servicable OLB for situational duty.

I'm not gonna go as far as to say he will be "good" but I don't think he's a lock to get cut like so many think he is.

Douche Baggins
03-04-2009, 02:10 AM
I'm glad Parker is back because this is the kind of stuff he brings...to sit here and say Hali is worthless is completely wrong.

It's also "intellectually dishonest" to say Hali can't beat an OT 1-on-1, as Mecca posted. We have seen Hali toast right tackles dozens of times in his career. Dozens. Do you think every sack he got was because of Allen?

At some point he had to make a play himself.

I agree with Parker that he can be a backup OLB/situational pass rusher. And as Parker pointed out, he was doing a ton of standup pass rushing his first year and continued to do it the last two years. He was basically a poor man's "Falcon."

Mecca
03-04-2009, 02:21 AM
I'm glad Parker is back because this is the kind of stuff he brings...to sit here and say Hali is worthless is completely wrong.

It's also "intellectually dishonest" to say Hali can't beat an OT 1-on-1, as Mecca posted. We have seen Hali toast right tackles dozens of times in his career. Dozens. Do you think every sack he got was because of Allen?

At some point he had to make a play himself.

I agree with Parker that he can be a backup OLB/situational pass rusher. And as Parker pointed out, he was doing a ton of standup pass rushing his first year and continued to do it the last two years. He was basically a poor man's "Falcon."

A 3-4 OLB has a ton more responsibility than just being a standup rusher...

Look I'll give the Cassell thing a chance but if this team is serious about going 3-4 which it appears they are alot of these guys just frankly can't play here anymore.

Pioli Zombie
03-04-2009, 04:41 AM
And he can't cover TE's.

So what? He can still run downhill and get to the QB, especially if he doesn't have to take on blockers every down. And he does have a knack for stripping the ball.

There's a place on this team for Hali.

They should try him out at cornerback.
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htismaqe
03-04-2009, 07:23 AM
He was basically a poor man's "Falcon."

And he'll be a poor man's OLB in a 3-4, too.

But let's not act like he's got NO shot, because he absolutely does.

MOhillbilly
03-04-2009, 07:36 AM
know why hali didnt get hardly any sacks last year?


the QB could hear his feet clompin' from 20 paces away.
http://www.bayside-orthotic-clinic.com.au/images/flat_feet.jpg

chiefzilla1501
03-04-2009, 08:12 AM
I'm glad Parker is back because this is the kind of stuff he brings...to sit here and say Hali is worthless is completely wrong.

It's also "intellectually dishonest" to say Hali can't beat an OT 1-on-1, as Mecca posted. We have seen Hali toast right tackles dozens of times in his career. Dozens. Do you think every sack he got was because of Allen?

At some point he had to make a play himself.

I agree with Parker that he can be a backup OLB/situational pass rusher. And as Parker pointed out, he was doing a ton of standup pass rushing his first year and continued to do it the last two years. He was basically a poor man's "Falcon."

While that's true and Hali, I still say that means he can be effective as a rotational 4-3 DE. Realize the skill set for a 4-3 DE--you have to muscle your way through a lot more, since you usually have a TE that helps the RT in chipping at the pass rusher. You can't win on explosion. So Hali would usually get sacks by outworking the blocking and using his high motor to get to the QB. Keep in mind that because Allen was the greater threat, the QB was always flushing right, which moves right toward Hali. Also keep in mind that because Allen was a threat, the QB was never a threat to roll left (which is unnatural for a QB anyway).

Hali is a hard worker who plays to the whistle. But in a 3-4, it's about having the explosion to accelerate into the backfield with his hands off the ground, and Hali isn't that guy. There are linemen a lot faster than he is. While he could do "okay" as a rotational backup, I think if he stays on the roster he's basically just a stopgap until they have the resources to find someone better.

htismaqe
03-04-2009, 09:11 AM
I think if he stays on the roster he's basically just a stopgap until they have the resources to find someone better.

I absolutely agree with this.

keg in kc
03-04-2009, 09:20 AM
Agreed almost 100%.

He can't play DE in the 3-4, he's not good at taking on blockers head on. He's not just too light, he's short too.

Forget the 40 and look at the shuttle time. He can close on the ball and that's enough to make him a servicable OLB for situational duty.

I'm not gonna go as far as to say he will be "good" but I don't think he's a lock to get cut like so many think he is.I don't think he's going to be cut, I just don't think he's going to fit at OLB at all. I see him basically exactly the opposite of you. I see a tweener that on one hand doesn't have the explosion to rush the passer or the ability to take on ball carriers in space, which makes him a bad fit at OLB. And on the other hand he doesn't have the prototypical bulk or strength for DE. I think in his case it would be more productive to work with the strength and conditioning staff and push him up into the 290 range, because the shortcomings he has at OLB aren't things that can be fixed.

I'm talking purely theoretically, in terms of what I think it would take to get him playing every down.

My guess is he'll end up being a nickel pass rusher. Which is a monumental waste of a 1st round pick. But what can you do...

General Malaise
03-04-2009, 09:48 AM
In a 3-4 he isn't a DE.

I think Mecca is correct he is a little light for a 3/4 DE. It depends what kind of 3/4 system you will run. If you run a system similer to the Patriots where you expect your DE and NT to two gap then yes he is too small. If you run something like the Steelers D than he might work. Brett Keisal from the Steelers is 6'5 285 and seems to do OK in that system.

htismaqe
03-04-2009, 09:50 AM
My guess is he'll end up being a nickel pass rusher. Which is a monumental waste of a 1st round pick. But what can you do...

I hope people don't confuse what I'm saying about Hali as a "defense" of him.

Because the sentence I quoted above is 100% how I feel about it.

keg in kc
03-04-2009, 09:53 AM
I hope people don't confuse what I'm saying about Hali as a "defense" of him.You're a halipologist who wants herm back on the sideline and wishes carl was still running the team. Everybody knows it.

milkman
03-04-2009, 10:36 AM
You're a halipologist who wants herm back on the sideline and wishes carl was still running the team. Everybody knows it.

It is only a matter of time before he wil be Piosimilated.

keg in kc
03-04-2009, 10:40 AM
It is only a matter of time before he wil be Piosimilated.and gaily backs hailey.