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bdeg
03-09-2009, 04:56 PM
Urbik

Sfeihc
03-09-2009, 06:20 PM
The Vikings need an answer at RT, the pick here is Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-09-2009, 06:23 PM
The Vikings need an answer at RT, the pick here is Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma.

I almost snatched him up until I realized Kenny Britt was still on the board. I knew he wouldn't be around in the 3rd.

Sfeihc
03-09-2009, 06:33 PM
I almost snatched him up until I realized Kenny Britt was still on the board. I knew he wouldn't be around in the 3rd.

After getting Mack in the first round, RT was the biggest hole left unaddressed so far for the Vikings. I wasn't sure he'd slip all the way to the Vikings, since he did I had to pull the trigger.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-09-2009, 06:40 PM
After getting Mack in the first round, RT was the biggest hole left unaddressed so far for the Vikings. I wasn't sure he'd slip all the way to the Vikings, since he did I had to pull the trigger.

The guy is a brick shit house. 337lbs and he's not fat. He's going to have some adjustments to make, and his sheer size alone gives him some bust potential if he can't keep up with the speed of the next level.

But he does get a great push off the line, and he's shown more discipline this last year. He has a lot of potential. I think he'll be a stud, but there are some red flags. He's certainly not going to protect your QB.

Sfeihc
03-09-2009, 06:57 PM
He's a freak for sure and just too good to pass on considering the Vikes hole at RT.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-09-2009, 07:02 PM
He's a freak for sure and just too good to pass on considering the Vikes hole at RT.

Adrian Peterson would jizz in his pants. It was a great pick for the Vikes. He's a better fit there than he would've been with the Bears.

milkman
03-09-2009, 08:40 PM
Falcons would like to upgrade a couple of positions here.

Strong Safety was a consideration, but they also could use another weapon at TE for Matt Ryan.

The Falcons select Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss

chiefs1111
03-09-2009, 08:48 PM
Falcons would like to upgrade a couple of positions here.

Strong Safety was a consideration, but they also could use another weapon at TE for Matt Ryan.

The Falcons select Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss


Great pick

bdeg
03-09-2009, 10:29 PM
After getting Mack in the first round, RT was the biggest hole left unaddressed so far for the Vikings. I wasn't sure he'd slip all the way to the Vikings, since he did I had to pull the trigger.

OOPS. I forgot about your first round pick, that would kind of eliminate your need for Urbik...

doomy3
03-09-2009, 10:58 PM
It's kind of ironic to see the two main people on the board who say the TE position is overvalued in KC take a TE in the top 2 rounds

Direckshun
03-10-2009, 03:07 PM
I WIN THE DRAFT.

Oh no you di'int.

OnTheWarpath58
03-10-2009, 03:12 PM
Oh no you di'int.

LMAO

Direckshun
03-10-2009, 03:23 PM
Where is Direckshun with his "Top 5 Available"? I need to know who to draft next.

Douchebags, all of you.

...

1. WR Louis Murphy, Florida
2. FS Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
3. C Eric Wood, Louisville
4. DT Sen'Derrick Marks, Auburn
5. CB Victor Harris, Virginia Tech

Pestilence
03-10-2009, 03:35 PM
Douchebags, all of you.

...

1. WR Louis Murphy, Florida
2. FS Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
3. C Eric Wood, Louisville
4. DT Sen'Derrick Marks, Auburn
5. CB Victor Harris, Virginia Tech

:clap:ROFL

Spicy McHaggis
03-10-2009, 04:22 PM
I want to strengthen the Dolphins secondary up a bit. I don't like the corners as much but I feel pretty good taking this guy here. The more I watch his film, the more he grows on me.

Miami Dolphins select: Louis Delmas, S, Western Michigan

Direckshun
03-10-2009, 06:29 PM
According to this website, the Chiefs have the Bucs' 2nd pick in the 7th round.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/2009.htm

OnTheWarpath58
03-10-2009, 07:04 PM
According to this website, the Chiefs have the Bucs' 2nd pick in the 7th round.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/2009.htm

I'm pretty sure that we had to give that pick back for some reason.

I'll did a little deeper when I have some time.

EDIT: Well, that was easy. We do not own that pick. The Steelers do.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80eef17e&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2009, 07:13 PM
The Ravens are giddy about this pick. They addressed the secondary in the 1st round and continue to retool an aging defense in the 2nd. Bart Scott is gone and Ray Lewis is possibly/probably gone..

The Baltimore Ravens select ILB Darry Beckwith, LSU.

milkman
03-10-2009, 08:09 PM
Adrian Peterson would jizz in his pants. It was a great pick for the Vikes. He's a better fit there than he would've been with the Bears.

Loadholt is going to be great for Peterson, but the Vikes might need a shitload of QBs.

I suspect in pass protect he's going to make McIntosh look like Willie Roaf by comparison.

bdeg
03-10-2009, 08:14 PM
Loadholt is going to be great for Peterson, but the Vikes might need a shitload of QBs.

I suspect in pass protect he's going to make McIntosh look like Willie Roaf by comparison.

Agreed. Maybe he can improve, but at this point I think Tamba would have a field day.

Pestilence
03-10-2009, 09:04 PM
The Ravens are giddy about this pick. They addressed the secondary in the 1st round and continue to retool an aging defense in the 2nd. Bart Scott is gone and Ray Lewis is possibly/probably gone..

The Baltimore Ravens select ILB Darry Beckwith, LSU.

Ray Lewis already resigned.

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Ray Lewis already resigned.

Missed that, but they still need a replacement for Scott and someone to groom behind Lewis.

ChiefsCountry
03-10-2009, 09:10 PM
Is Beckwith a 3-4 backer though?

DaKCMan AP
03-10-2009, 09:13 PM
Is Beckwith a 3-4 backer though?

Is he a rush backer? No. Can he play ILB in a 3-4? I think so.

It also looks like 3-4 teams are paying attention:

02/21/09 - Which teams have you interviewed with?): San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, New England, Dallas so far and I have seven teams scheduled tonight.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57239&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB

INDIANAPOLIS -- Darry Beckwith believes versatility will be his calling card in the NFL.
The LSU linebacker said he plans to perform every on-field drill at the NFL Scouring Combine this weekend and wants to show teams that he can play outside linebacker as well as inside linebacker, the position he played during his final two seasons with the Tigers. Beckwith said several teams think he could fit at inside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme or at either spot in a 4-3 scheme.


http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/02/lsu_linebacker_darry_beckwith.html

ChiefsCountry
03-10-2009, 09:18 PM
Is he a rush backer? No. Can he play ILB in a 3-4? I think so.

It also looks like 3-4 teams are paying attention:

02/21/09 - Which teams have you interviewed with?): San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, New England, Dallas so far and I have seven teams scheduled tonight.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57239&draftyear=2009&genpos=ILB

INDIANAPOLIS -- Darry Beckwith believes versatility will be his calling card in the NFL.
The LSU linebacker said he plans to perform every on-field drill at the NFL Scouring Combine this weekend and wants to show teams that he can play outside linebacker as well as inside linebacker, the position he played during his final two seasons with the Tigers. Beckwith said several teams think he could fit at inside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme or at either spot in a 4-3 scheme.


http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/02/lsu_linebacker_darry_beckwith.html

Good to know rep.

Direckshun
03-10-2009, 11:02 PM
I wanted to make my pick tonight. Any chance OTW and Mecca show, or will this be the first night in CP history where neither of them were on?

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 08:41 AM
I wanted to make my pick tonight. Any chance OTW and Mecca show, or will this be the first night in CP history where neither of them were on?

At almost the moment you posted this, I was in my FOURTH hour looking for one of my dogs, in a driving rain.

My wife was taking them for a walk, our Brittany saw a rabbit and bolted. Tore the leash right out of my wife's hand - she's NEVER done that before.

Anyway, there are really thick woods behind our house, and I was worried that she'd get hung up on her leash.

After four hours of looking around the woods, I was trying to get back up an embankment, slipped, and caught myself with my left hand - on a big-ass rock, with my thumb getting all my weight.

I've broken fingers before, and it doesn't feel broken - I'm thinking that I tore/ruptured a ligament where the thumb meets the palm. A 10:15 appointment this AM will hopefully give me some answers.

Luckily, right after the fall, I found the dog.

Unluckily, my golf game is likely on hold for a good chunk of the season, and my trip to the lake this month is shot.

:cuss:

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 08:46 AM
For a supposed "defense poor" draft class, the Patriots just can't seem to get away from defensive players in this mock.

But even with the addition of Shawn Springs, the Pats are still ridiculously thin at CB.

So, the New England Patriots select:

Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon

Mecca
03-11-2009, 08:54 AM
Easy pick here...the Colts select Eric Wood, C, Louisville

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 08:55 AM
Easy pick here...the Colts select Eric Wood, C, Louisville

Didn't they draft like 3 centers last year?

Or are you expecting him to play guard?

Mecca
03-11-2009, 08:58 AM
Didn't they draft like 3 centers last year?

Or are you expecting him to play guard?

Eh those guys were all very late picks and the offense really took a step back when they were playing. I think Wood plays center since Saturday isn't coming back and he fits their offensive system of more finesse than power and he's a smart guy, he's basically a Colts fit player.

There's only a couple other things they really have needs to draft at and Wood is the best value plus he protects their most important player so I went there.

It was him or a DT or a LB and I didn't like the value of those players at this pick.

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 09:00 AM
Eh those guys were all very late picks and the offense really took a step back when they were playing. I think Wood plays center since Saturday isn't coming back and he fits their offensive system of more finesse than power and he's a smart guy, he's basically a Colts fit player.

There's only a couple other things they really have needs to draft at and Wood is the best value plus he protects their most important player so I went there.

It was him or a DT or a LB and I didn't like the value of those players at this pick.

Not knocking the pick, just curious.

Good point on the value issue.

Frosty
03-11-2009, 09:18 AM
So, the New England Patriots select:

Jairus Byrd, CB, Oregon

The Quack-ification of the Pats continues....

Mecca
03-11-2009, 09:19 AM
I think those 2 Oregon players are tweeners so I'm not sure what they'll do at the NFL level.

Sfeihc
03-11-2009, 09:22 AM
Eh those guys were all very late picks and the offense really took a step back when they were playing. I think Wood plays center since Saturday isn't coming back and he fits their offensive system of more finesse than power and he's a smart guy, he's basically a Colts fit player.

There's only a couple other things they really have needs to draft at and Wood is the best value plus he protects their most important player so I went there.

It was him or a DT or a LB and I didn't like the value of those players at this pick.

Are you sure about Saturday not coming back?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090226/SPORTS03/90226054

Just sayin', ya know? I'm sure you want to make the pick with all your facts straight.

Glad you found your dog, OTW. I hope your thumb will be okay.

Frosty
03-11-2009, 09:26 AM
I think those 2 Oregon players are tweeners so I'm not sure what they'll do at the NFL level.

I'm hoping for big time busts (Chung takes awful angles and the Oregon secondary was pretty terrible this year against teams that could actually pass the ball) but, then, I'm biased. :)

Mecca
03-11-2009, 09:27 AM
Are you sure about Saturday not coming back?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090226/SPORTS03/90226054

Just sayin', ya know? I'm sure you want to make the pick with all your facts straight.

Eh he's still older than balls and looked to really be declining last year, I still think it's the right pick for a team that needs to start replacing some aging offensive players.

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 09:28 AM
I'll be back in an hour or so, to see if my pick is up.

Mecca
03-11-2009, 09:29 AM
I'm hoping for big time busts (Chung takes awful angles and the Oregon secondary was pretty terrible this year against teams that could actually pass the ball) but, then, I'm biased. :)

Byrd is a playmaker and has good ball skills but his speed I'm not sure about he's always going to be a CB/S tweener unless you are a straight zone team because he really needs to be able to face the offense and see the ball.

Chung I don't even know what he is. He's basically built like a FS but plays and runs like a SS or a LB.

Sfeihc
03-11-2009, 09:32 AM
Eh he's still older than balls and looked to really be declining last year, I still think it's the right pick for a team that needs to start replacing some aging offensive players.

However you need to justify it is okay with me. I just wanted to make sure you knew the facts.:)

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 09:37 AM
Chung I don't even know what he is. He's basically built like a FS but plays and runs like a SS or a LB.

They all run like SS and LB this year. This was one of the weakest years in the 40 I've seen.

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 09:46 AM
That said, it's up to the Giants, now.

The common wisdom was that the Giants' biggest need is at WR, in the wake of Plaxico Burress, but whatev. The upside of Michael Johnson was too great in the first round. Complaints that this was nowhere near a need for the Jints is legit. But the Giants pride themselves and their recent Super Bowl on their monstrous defensive line, which at this point features two Pro Bowlers, and two other guys that could start on any other defensive line.

Injuries hurt them last year but they kept on truckin', and it's a prime concern to keep that defensive line tenacious. You do that through depth (Johnson will not be expected to contribute immediately -- he's a long-term prospect), and through leverage. If Johnson develops as he should, he prevents the Giants from having to drop huge money on the next DE up for a contract who had his numbers pumped up from playing on this line.

Smith was more of a no-brainer for a defense that needs help at SS more importantly, and CB secondarily.

So while WR was a prime concern, supposedly, for this New York team, I elected other paths instead of worrying about a WR corps that, even without Burress, many teams would love to have.

But that ends now. The Giants would love a big body with some speed, and Florida's Louis Murphy brings both. Not great numbers in Florida's offense, but with a low 4.4 40, and a solid frame, and a damn good Combine, the Giants think there's something there. Maybe not a Plaxico Burress, but definitely more talent for their WR corps.

With the 60th pick in the NFL Draft, the New York Giants select WR Louis Murphy, from the University of Florida.

ChiefsCountry
03-11-2009, 10:31 AM
Easy pick here...the Colts select Eric Wood, C, Louisville

Carson Palmer hates you. :harumph:

DaKCMan AP
03-11-2009, 10:36 AM
Maybe not a Plaxico Burress, but definitely more talent for their WR corps.

I think Murphy can be productive. Burress? No, he's not as big nor as physical. He's more of a speed/finesse guy but with more size.

Pestilence
03-11-2009, 10:52 AM
At almost the moment you posted this, I was in my FOURTH hour looking for one of my dogs, in a driving rain.

My wife was taking them for a walk, our Brittany saw a rabbit and bolted. Tore the leash right out of my wife's hand - she's NEVER done that before.

Anyway, there are really thick woods behind our house, and I was worried that she'd get hung up on her leash.

After four hours of looking around the woods, I was trying to get back up an embankment, slipped, and caught myself with my left hand - on a big-ass rock, with my thumb getting all my weight.

I've broken fingers before, and it doesn't feel broken - I'm thinking that I tore/ruptured a ligament where the thumb meets the palm. A 10:15 appointment this AM will hopefully give me some answers.

Luckily, right after the fall, I found the dog.

Unluckily, my golf game is likely on hold for a good chunk of the season, and my trip to the lake this month is shot.

:cuss:

That sucks dude. Well at least you found your dog.

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 11:08 AM
With the loss of Kris Jenkins last year and a possible Julius Peppers trade looming, the Panthers look to improve their D-line and select Fila Moala, DT/DE, USC

bdeg
03-11-2009, 11:15 AM
With the loss of Kris Jenkins last year and a possible Julius Peppers trade looming, the Panthers look to improve their D-line and select Fila Moala, DT/DE, USC

Well he's not going to be a 303 lb DE in their 4-3.

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 11:16 AM
That sucks dude. Well at least you found your dog.

Yeah. By the 3 hour mark, I really expected to find her dead. Worried she got her leash wrapped up in brush or a tree and choked herself, broken neck, etc.

The very few times she's gotten away, she's always come right back - or at least barked or howled when you called or whistled for her.

Thumb update: No fracture. Seeing a specialist tomorrow. My doc is worried I may have torn a ligament. Hopefully it's nothing more than a sprain.

Either way, it appears I'm fucked for at least 4-6 weeks, barring a miracle.

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 11:19 AM
That will likely slide your value to the midrounds, OTW.

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 11:21 AM
That will likely slide your value to the midrounds, OTW.

Shit, I was an UDFA at best BEFORE this.

LMAO

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 11:21 AM
Well he's not going to be a 303 lb DE in their 4-3.Probably not, but there are no guarantees, Fox remains with the team beyond this year. Which means they could switch to a 3-4 in the future and he could easily be a DE in a 3-4. Hence the DT/DE comment.

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 11:25 AM
This must have popped into my head about 20 times last night:

LMAO

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Zouk
03-11-2009, 11:28 AM
The Titans select Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma. Just a solid all around football player. Could become Hines Ward.

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 11:30 AM
Warpath, you're doing a great job with the draft. Thanks again, man.

OnTheWarpath58
03-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Warpath, you're doing a great job with the draft. Thanks again, man.

Thanks, and no problem. I enjoy the hell out of it.

At the rate we're going, we'll probably be able to "re-do" the 1st round, if people are interested. A lot can change in the next month+.

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 11:36 AM
Thanks, and no problem. I enjoy the hell out of it.

At the rate we're going, we'll probably be able to "re-do" the 1st round, if people are interested. A lot can change in the next month+.
You're the Roger Goodell of the board.;) Yes, it's always fun and you've done a great job. I'm just happy to be a part of it.

ChiefsCountry
03-11-2009, 11:38 AM
The Titans select Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma. Just a solid all around football player. Could become Hines Ward.

Jerry Jones offically hates you.

BigChiefFan
03-11-2009, 11:50 AM
The Titans select Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma. Just a solid all around football player. Could become Hines Ward.
Good pick. I seriously considered him for the Panthers, but their defensive woes have to be addressed. Moala barely edged him out, in my book.

Mecca
03-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Carson Palmer hates you. :harumph:

Not as much as he hates you for that 1st round pick.

bdeg
03-11-2009, 12:08 PM
Not as much as he hates you for that 1st round pick.

Crabtree might have been a better option there, but there was no tackle worth taking. I don't blame him for going defense.

Pestilence
03-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Thanks, and no problem. I enjoy the hell out of it.

At the rate we're going, we'll probably be able to "re-do" the 1st round, if people are interested. A lot can change in the next month+.

It would be interesting if we randomized the GMs for the 1st round and just redid that round only.

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 12:48 PM
I don't think Crabtree or Maclin deserve a Top 10 pick.

DeezNutz
03-11-2009, 12:58 PM
This must have popped into my head about 20 times last night:

LMAO

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ROFL

I've only watched this movie on a channel like TNT, so I'd never seen this part. That's funny shit.

Pestilence
03-11-2009, 01:00 PM
I don't think Crabtree or Maclin deserve a Top 10 pick.

I could see the Jaguars taking Crabtree at 8 but other than them....I don't see anyone taking him in the top 10. Maclin I don't see as a top 10 pick. I think the Raiders look at grabbing an OT with their 1st round pick.

KCrockaholic
03-11-2009, 04:46 PM
So Mecca wanted to add to the list of drafted centers by Indy. That makes 4 in 2 years so far haha.

KCrockaholic
03-11-2009, 04:50 PM
Dont forget Ziggy Hood is still on the board. He will be a perfect fit for a 4-3 team who runs the cover 2

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 04:57 PM
Some team needs a winning franchise QB, you can't tell me you'd pass on Chase Daniel now.

I would have snatched him up by now if I didn't have Eli Manning and Drew Brees.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-11-2009, 04:58 PM
Some team needs a winning franchise QB, you can't tell me you'd pass on Chase Daniel now.

I would have snatched him up by now if I didn't have Eli Manning and Drew Brees.

Dude. You lose the draft.

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 04:59 PM
Dude. You lose the draft.

Chase Daniel has all the tools. He's a winner and he has all the tools.

KCrockaholic
03-11-2009, 05:04 PM
Chase Daniel has all the tools. He's a winner and he has all the tools.

yep. "total package"

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 05:05 PM
yep. "total package"

Absolutely. The total package of tools, that he has all of.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-11-2009, 05:13 PM
Chase Daniel has all the tools. He's a winner and he has all the tools.

I heard Colt McCoy has been looking for his tools ever since Chase visited him last semester.

Direckshun
03-11-2009, 05:18 PM
I heard Colt McCoy has been looking for his tools ever since Chase visited him last semester.

I don't know what that means but you should draft Daniel.

eazyb81
03-11-2009, 06:47 PM
Looking at how the 2nd round unfolded, I am very happy I made my decision to wait on addressing this position later rather than in the 1st round.

Ken Whisenhunt has made it no secret that he wants to transition to a 3-4 base defense like they ran in Pittsburgh during his tenure there. He has said they may try a hybrid scheme, but reading between the lines I think he's just saying that because he knows they currently don't have the personnel.

Looking over the roster, I feel the largest need by far to successfully make the move is OLB. Travis Laboy can probably be counted on, but the other side would be embarrassing if Chike Okeafor or Bertrand Berry are out there trying to run in space.

Before the combine, I felt this kid was an intriguing pick. But after he put on a show by running a 4.5 40 and 260+ pounds, I was sold. He has the pass rush moves you need for this role, and at the combine he showed he had the speed and athleticism. The Pittsburgh scheme has always utilized short and stocky OLBs that can rush rather than obsessing about size, but I think this kid has the best of both worlds.

With the addition of this player, Arizona will finally be able to make the full transition to running Pittsburgh's version of the 3-4 that Whisenhunt has been clamoring to do.

For the 63rd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select........Lawrence Sidbury, OLB, Richmond

DeezNutz
03-11-2009, 06:58 PM
I heard Colt McCoy has been looking for his tools ever since Chase visited him last semester.

Craftsmen?

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-11-2009, 08:07 PM
Dammit. I was hoping Sidbury would fall to the Chiefs.

Pestilence
03-11-2009, 10:16 PM
Looking at how the 2nd round unfolded, I am very happy I made my decision to wait on addressing this position later rather than in the 1st round.

Ken Whisenhunt has made it no secret that he wants to transition to a 3-4 base defense like they ran in Pittsburgh during his tenure there. He has said they may try a hybrid scheme, but reading between the lines I think he's just saying that because he knows they currently don't have the personnel.

Looking over the roster, I feel the largest need by far to successfully make the move is OLB. Travis Laboy can probably be counted on, but the other side would be embarrassing if Chike Okeafor or Bertrand Berry are out there trying to run in space.

Before the combine, I felt this kid was an intriguing pick. But after he put on a show by running a 4.5 40 and 260+ pounds, I was sold. He has the pass rush moves you need for this role, and at the combine he showed he had the speed and athleticism. The Pittsburgh scheme has always utilized short and stocky OLBs that can rush rather than obsessing about size, but I think this kid has the best of both worlds.

With the addition of this player, Arizona will finally be able to make the full transition to running Pittsburgh's version of the 3-4 that Whisenhunt has been clamoring to do.

For the 63rd pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Arizona Cardinals select........Lawrence Sidbury, OLB, Richmond

:cuss:

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-11-2009, 11:55 PM
:cuss:

There was no way he was getting past me.

Pestilence
03-12-2009, 12:01 AM
There was no way he was getting past me.

I was gonna trade up. :D

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-12-2009, 12:10 AM
I was gonna trade up. :D

Nate Davis and Rhett Bomar are still on the board. I'm good.

Sfeihc
03-12-2009, 10:31 AM
Nate Davis and Rhett Bomar are still on the board. I'm good.

Tough choice there, Hamas.LMAO

Direckshun
03-12-2009, 12:58 PM
slow ride
duh nuh nuh nuh-nuh, nuh-nuh
take it easy
duh nuh nuh nuh-nuh, nuh-nuh

BigChiefFan
03-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Marco?.........Polo

Marco?.........Polo


Marco?........Polo

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 01:18 PM
Marco?.........Polo

Marco?.........Polo


Marco?........Polo

Repost.

BigChiefFan
03-12-2009, 01:32 PM
Repost.This is also a repost.;) I'll see your repost and raise you another.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 01:46 PM
This is also a repost.;) I'll see your repost and raise you another.

Repost

BigChiefFan
03-12-2009, 02:27 PM
Repost

tsoper
poster
potser
repots
poser-t

bdeg
03-12-2009, 02:31 PM
neg reps to any more "repost" comments I'm tired of checking this without a pick or discussion.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 02:48 PM
neg reps to any more "repost" comments I'm tired of checking this without a pick or discussion.

Repost.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 02:49 PM
Seriously though, Marco only has about 4 hours right?

BigChiefFan
03-12-2009, 02:57 PM
Lighten up Francis, we're waiting, TOO.

bdeg
03-12-2009, 03:13 PM
It's annoying to check a thread because it says it's 'new' when there has been no discussion. 4 'repost''s in a row was more than enough. Let's talk about the picks or wait for the next one

BigChiefFan
03-12-2009, 03:19 PM
It's annoying to check a thread because it says it's 'new' when there has been no discussion. 4 'repost''s in a row was more than enough. Let's talk about the picks or wait for the next oneNow you posted and made me look in the thread without any football discussion.

bdeg
03-12-2009, 03:31 PM
In the interest of deterring future dipshittery.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 03:38 PM
In the interest of deterring future dipshittery.

Eat a dick.

bdeg
03-12-2009, 03:39 PM
I was mostly joking around. Don't take it personal.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 03:41 PM
I was mostly joking around. Don't take it personal.

I rarely do. I am having a fucking terrible day at work and taking it out on random people on CP. My apologies.

OnTheWarpath58
03-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Seriously though, Marco only has about 4 hours right?

He's gonna get extra time again if he needs it - I have class tonight, and I follow his pick.

Pestilence
03-12-2009, 04:16 PM
I rarely do. I am having a fucking terrible day at work and taking it out on random people on CP. My apologies.

Get over it pussy. :D

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 04:43 PM
Get over it pussy. :D

I hate you all.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-12-2009, 05:00 PM
I hate you all.

I MEAN IT GAWDDAMMIT!!!!!

Sfeihc
03-12-2009, 10:09 PM
I could come up with a dozen Marco Polo jokes but really I'd like it if he just made the pick.STFU

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-12-2009, 10:11 PM
This is fucking bullshit. It's been a godfucking week since I've had a selection. I'm tired of waiting on these sorry fucks.

Marco Polo
03-12-2009, 11:25 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers select Chris Baker, NT, Hampton

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-12-2009, 11:49 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers select Chris Baker, NT, Hampton

I'm honestly stunned. I thought I could get him in Round 4.

OnTheWarpath58
03-13-2009, 10:00 AM
The Lions need a lot of things, but they need a DT (or two) like I need air to breathe.

The Lions select:

Evander Hood, DT, Missouri

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-13-2009, 10:04 AM
The Lions need a lot of things, but they need a DT (or two) like I need air to breathe.

The Lions select:

Evander Hood, DT, Missouri

Good pick and great value for a guy who is the #1 3 Tech in the entire draft on probably everyone's board right now.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-13-2009, 10:22 AM
And the DT's are flying off the board. The Rams need one. And aren't in a position to chance waiting at this point. Frnakly there are a couple of guys I figured would be there in the 4th that are already gone.

The Rams select Sen'Derrick Marks DT Auburn

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-13-2009, 10:25 AM
Well, there are a couple of directions I could go here, but the Chiefs desperately need a pass rusher, and seem hell-bent on going to a 3-4. This guy has improved his production every year, and started for four years. He has a ton of TFL, and racked up an impressive number of sacks. He's too small to be a 4-3 DE, but he has the quickness, speed, and pass rushing repertoire to be an impact rush backer in a 3-4 scheme.

The Kansas City Chiefs select Cody Brown, OLB, Connecticut.

eazyb81
03-13-2009, 10:36 AM
Glad to see this kid still on the board since he was the player I was targeting all along for this pick.

Seattle probably has the worst pair of starting safeties in the league, and I think this player has a great chance of earning a starting spot this season. He'll never be the biggest, fastest, or strongest player on the field, but he has amazing instincts and understands his role as the last line of defense. He has great ball skills and will rack up INTs as an amazing centerfielder.

The Seattle Seahawks select Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

ChiefsCountry
03-13-2009, 12:12 PM
With no WR's worth this spot, the Cowboys decide to help keep Romo upright. Look how much they struggled when he was hurt last year. Dallas always has had big lineman and they decide to take a huge one.

The Dallas Cowboys select Herman Johnson, G LSU

ChiefsCountry
03-13-2009, 12:16 PM
Bengals might have had the worst center in the NFL last year with Eric Grudizac. With Meredith protecting Palmer's blindside and Collins holding down the right. The Bengals have their bookends for the line for the next decade. Now they decide to add the piece in the middle.

The Cincinnati Bengals select Antoine Caldwell, C, Alabama

DeezNutz
03-13-2009, 12:18 PM
With all these picks happening, it's time to return to the real business of this thread:

Repost.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-13-2009, 01:08 PM
With all these picks happening, it's time to return to the real business of this thread:

Repost.

YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!! :cuss:

DeezNutz
03-13-2009, 01:37 PM
YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!! :cuss:

This isn't a fucking update! :cuss:

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 03:09 AM
hmmm...paying two QBs assloads of money....and then trading Sanchez for watered-down draft value if Cassel suceeds---therefore taking a shit on the third overall pick. Oh and if Cassel fails, then Sanchez is still a big question mark...brilliant

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2009, 10:09 AM
Spicy has until 12:16 this afternoon to make his pick, otherwise, Archie goes on the clock at 12:17 and we move forward.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-14-2009, 01:10 PM
hmmm...paying two QBs assloads of money....and then trading Sanchez for watered-down draft value if Cassel suceeds---therefore taking a shit on the third overall pick. Oh and if Cassel fails, then Sanchez is still a big question mark...brilliant

Yeah, having two QBs with trade value really fucked the <del>Patriots, Cowboys, and 49ers</del>.

You are about as worthless as sack dew.

Woodrow Call
03-14-2009, 01:18 PM
When Jordan Black is on your 2-Deep it's obvious you need tackle help. With that being said......

The Jacksonville Jaguars select Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane

milkman
03-14-2009, 02:05 PM
OK, so I guess I'm up.

As I said with the Pack's first round pick, they have Ryan Grant and a bunch of "eh" at RB.

Ideally I'd like to take a kid with speed and great hands as a a change of pace back to take some snaps to keep Grant fresh.

But there really aren't any kids like that here, so I considered CB here also.

But in the end, I think Grant is just an "eh" RB also anyway, and James Davis (5'11", 218) is a kid who has decent, albeit not elite speed, who runs with power and has good vision, so he could conceivably eventually take the starter's spot from Grant.

The Pack select James Davis, RB, Clemson.

With Davis on board, the Pack have a good 1-2 punch at RB.

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2009, 02:23 PM
Spicy can make his pick at any time, and the guys "on the clock" can continue as usual.

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2009, 02:28 PM
OK, so I guess I'm up.

As I said with the Pack's first round pick, they have Ryan Grant and a bunch of "eh" at RB.

Ideally I'd like to take a kid with speed and great hands as a a change of pace back to take some snaps to keep Grant fresh.

But there really aren't any kids like that here, so I considered CB here also.

But in the end, I think Grant is just an "eh" RB also anyway, and James Davis (5'11", 218) is a kid who has decent, albeit not elite speed, who runs with power and has good vision, so he could conceivably eventually take the starter's spot from Grant.

The Pack select James Davis, RB, Clemson.

With Davis on board, the Pack have a good 1-2 punch at RB.

I like Davis alot. I think he is going to be a special back in the NFL. Nice pick.

Spicy McHaggis
03-14-2009, 02:31 PM
Sorry about the late pick, I was traveling all yesterday and you all tore through about 5 picks in a row, heh.

Oakland Raiders select Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

milkman
03-14-2009, 02:42 PM
I like Davis alot. I think he is going to be a special back in the NFL. Nice pick.

You talked about him early in the season, so I made it a point to check him out and found that I agreed with you.

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2009, 02:47 PM
Sorry about the late pick, I was traveling all yesterday and you all tore through about 5 picks in a row, heh.

Oakland Raiders select Paul Kruger, DE, Utah

No problem - things happen.

Hell, we got to the 3rd round before someone missed a pick and it was only by a few hours.

IIRC, we had someone go AWOL in the first 10 picks of the 1st round last year.

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2009, 02:52 PM
Weekends dont bother me too much if somebody is late.

OnTheWarpath58
03-14-2009, 02:54 PM
Weekends dont bother me too much if somebody is late.

Me either - especially considering we're flying through this.

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 03:25 PM
Yeah, having two QBs with trade value really ****ed the <del>Patriots, Cowboys, and 49ers</del>.

You are about as worthless as sack dew.

Well If Cassel is any good, an unproven Sanchez will have about as much trade value as Brady Quinn. That's a really good exchange. didn't everybody rooting for the chiefs to lose have the argument that the value of a top 5 pick was too great to miss out on? Only the true fans would root for the chiefs to win and risk missing out on such talent. If Cassel sucks, then he will have no trade value and Sanchez will be thrown in. No way Sanchez comes in and starts over Cassel. Brady (not third overall) fell into the pats laps and therefore so did the bledsoe trade. 49ers had an old, legendary QB and gave up a 2nd and 4th...not the third overall....Montana was not 26. Essentially you want to use the 1st and 2nd pick on a QB....****ing retarded...
So your biggest hope while picking 3rd overall is to have both QBs...then Cassel plays well for two years...gets hurt...Sanchez plays well....and trade Sanchez for late first/early second? That's asking a lot.

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 03:34 PM
this whole having two QBs with trade value just irks me. In the history of the NFL, there is no example of a team paying two young unprovens tons of money to compete for QBOTF. Should the Ravens draft Sanchez?....the Falcons?...Flacco and Ryan have good trade value at this point but aren't quite established QBs.

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2009, 03:35 PM
In the history of the NFL, there is no example of a team paying two young unprovens tons of money to compete for QBOTF.

See 1989 Dallas Cowboys.

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 03:45 PM
See 1989 Dallas Cowboys.

you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2009, 03:53 PM
you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

#1 pick in the 1990 draft

doomy3
03-14-2009, 03:56 PM
#1 pick in the 1990 draft

And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

DaKCMan AP
03-14-2009, 04:01 PM
The 49ers got their rush backer in round 1, upgraded their WR corps in round 2 and they continue to build a strong D in round 3. Walt Harris is old. This guy can come in, play nickel and then eventually take over the starting CB spot. Like former teammate Brandon Flowers, Harris ran a poor 40 at the combine but this guy has outstanding ball skills and is a gamer.

The 49ers select Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-14-2009, 04:01 PM
Well If Cassel is any good, an unproven Sanchez will have about as much trade value as Brady Quinn. That's a really good exchange. didn't everybody rooting for the chiefs to lose have the argument that the value of a top 5 pick was too great to miss out on? Only the true fans would root for the chiefs to win and risk missing out on such talent. If Cassel sucks, then he will have no trade value and Sanchez will be thrown in. No way Sanchez comes in and starts over Cassel. Brady (not third overall) fell into the pats laps and therefore so did the bledsoe trade. 49ers had an old, legendary QB and gave up a 2nd and 4th...not the third overall....Montana was not 26. Essentially you want to use the 1st and 2nd pick on a QB....****ing retarded...
So your biggest hope while picking 3rd overall is to have both QBs...then Cassel plays well for two years...gets hurt...Sanchez plays well....and trade Sanchez for late first/early second? That's asking a lot.

Or, if Cassel plays OK to good, and it looks like Stafford/Sanchez are PB material, since we own Cassel's rights for two years, as a RFA (due to CBA expiration), we can put a 1st and third round claim on him and get more in return for him if we don't match anyone else who signs him to an offer sheet.

So, if you give me the option of flipping Matt Cassel to some other team who will only have to pay him 2.5 million next year for a 1st and third when we paid a second for him, and I get a year to season Stafford/Sanchez, I do that 1 billion times out of 10.

But, since the Hooties of the world only think in terms of today, they'll bash the pick.

milkman
03-14-2009, 04:11 PM
Didn't we have this same argument several pages ago?

JFC, it's done, let it go.

Sfeihc
03-14-2009, 04:27 PM
The 49ers got their rush backer in round 1, upgraded their WR corps in round 2 and they continue to build a strong D in round 3. Walt Harris is old. This guy can come in, play nickel and then eventually take over the starting CB spot. Like former teammate Brandon Flowers, Harris ran a poor 40 at the combine but this guy has outstanding ball skills and is a gamer.

The 49ers select Victor "Macho" Harris, CB, Virginia Tech.

****er! I was hoping The Macho Man would drop to the Vikes.

Bunker, nice pick on the OT from Tulane.

ChiefsCountry
03-14-2009, 04:32 PM
And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

A 1st and couple thirds I believe.

orange
03-14-2009, 05:02 PM
you're right..still don't like the idea. Im not much of a supplemental draft expert...what did they give up for Walsh?

#1 pick in the 1990 draft

And what did they end up getting in return for Walsh?

Walsh, a backup to Troy Aikman since both joined the Cowboys last year, went to New Orleans in exchange for the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 selection in 1992.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFDE1639F935A1575AC0A966958260

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 05:10 PM
Draft pick value has sky-rocketed since then....probably thanks to JJ. not gonna get close to that value

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 05:12 PM
Or, if Cassel plays OK to good, and it looks like Stafford/Sanchez are PB material, since we own Cassel's rights for two years, as a RFA (due to CBA expiration), we can put a 1st and third round claim on him and get more in return for him if we don't match anyone else who signs him to an offer sheet.

So, if you give me the option of flipping Matt Cassel to some other team who will only have to pay him 2.5 million next year for a 1st and third when we paid a second for him, and I get a year to season Stafford/Sanchez, I do that 1 billion times out of 10.

But, since the Hooties of the world only think in terms of today, they'll bash the pick.

how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?

orange
03-14-2009, 05:19 PM
Draft pick value has sky-rocketed since then....probably thanks to JJ. not gonna get close to that value

Dallas got roasted on that deal even then. Adding a year to a draft pick basically lowers its value by one round. The Cowboys gave up a 1990 1st Rounder for the equivalent of a 1990 2nd Rounder and two 4ths.

Add to that the fact that the 1st Rounder they gave up was #1 overall and the point loss was absurd.

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There's no way the Chiefs would draft Stafford/Sanchez at #3 with the intention of trading him down the line. They would take a beating no matter what.

They only draft one of those QBs with the intent that he will replace Cassel in the near future. Trading Cassel will involve much less of a hit.

bdeg
03-14-2009, 05:23 PM
how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?

1st and 3rd is a lot, not that I'm condoning the pick but I guess you hope it works out kinda like Brees/Rivers. The starter plays well enough to warrant interest, and you see enough from practice that you believe Sanchez is the guy.

Rudy lost the toss
03-14-2009, 05:32 PM
Cassel will also be pushing 30 in a couple of years. Just because Hamas doesn't like Cassel and does like Stafford/Sanchez, he pulls this scenario out of his ass. The chiefs do believe in Cassel and that's why they traded for him...makes about as much of sense as Atlanta or Baltimore picking Sanchez if he slips

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-14-2009, 07:47 PM
how are Sanchez/Stafford gonna look PB material while riding the bench? How is Cassel gonna get 1st and 3rd value for playing OK to good?

If you don't know how NFL personnel moves work, don't post in this thread.

Cassel will be a RFA after next year. Since we own his rights, if we tender him to an offer sheet of 2.65 mil, if another team wants him, they sign him for dirt cheap (2.65), and have to pay a compensation of a 1st and 3rd round pick.

He qualified as a UFA this year because of the CBA, but with its expiration next year, it will revert to a player needing 6 years of experience. He'll have five. Thus, we own his rights, even if he's not signed to a contract.

We won't be desperate to unload him like NE, so we can hold onto him until a team in desperate need of a QB is willing to pay that price (say Minnesota). We get a late first and a late third for Matt Cassel when we paid a second for him, and we have a quarterback with elite upside to replace him who we didn't have to throw to the wolves.

I've said this from day one. I'm sorry if I actually know how personnel moves and FA work in the NFL, I know it must be terribly offensive to run into someone who knows WTF he's talking about.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-14-2009, 07:48 PM
1st and 3rd is a lot, not that I'm condoning the pick but I guess you hope it works out kinda like Brees/Rivers. The starter plays well enough to warrant interest, and you see enough from practice that you believe Sanchez is the guy.

In 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007), a second-round tender offer was added. The four tender amounts for 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008) are as follows:<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent#cite_note-0)</sup>
<table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Tender amount</th> <th>Compensation required</th> </tr> <tr> <td>$2.562 million</td> <td>First- and third-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$2.017 million</td> <td>First-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$1.417 million</td> <td>Second-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$927,000</td> <td>Determined by RFA's original draft status (see below)</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Each player that signs a tender receives the one-year salary that corresponds to the tender level. Teams which choose not to match an offer on a player with a low tender receive a draft pick corresponding to the round in which the player was originally drafted (except that the highest pick that can be surrendered for such a tender is a second-round pick). For example, a player who was originally drafted in the sixth round of the NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft) would force the team signing him to give his former team a sixth-round pick in the upcoming draft as compensation for his service. No compensation is required for an undrafted player on the lowest tender amount, so teams with valued undrafted RFAs are taking a notable risk by offering such tenders.

bdeg
03-14-2009, 07:53 PM
I know how the tender works, but keep in mind that this year Cassell only brought a 2nd along with Vrabel. If his stock goes up that much in a year or two, which it definitely could, that would be great. I just wasn't making that assumption; say he does pretty good, we make the highest tender offer, and then trade him for a low first. Of course he would have to agree to negotiate a contract with the team making the trade, too.

orange
03-14-2009, 09:20 PM
If you don't know how NFL personnel moves work, don't post in this thread.

Cassel will be a RFA after next year. Since we own his rights, if we tender him to an offer sheet of 2.65 mil, if another team wants him, they sign him for dirt cheap (2.65), and have to pay a compensation of a 1st and 3rd round pick.

He qualified as a UFA this year because of the CBA, but with its expiration next year, it will revert to a player needing 6 years of experience. He'll have five. Thus, we own his rights, even if he's not signed to a contract.


You couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Cassel will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT next year. Period.

"1. Unrestricted: In a capped year, a player with four or more accrued seasons has unrestricted free agency rights. Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA). An unrestricted free agent may sign with any team. If the unrestricted free agent is not signed by June 1, his old club may offer him a contract with a 10% raise over his prior year's salary, and thereby obtain the exclusive right to re-sign him after July 15 if he has not signed elsewhere by then."

Let me repeat that since you ignored it when I posted about this weeks ago:

Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA).

Who's my source? Only the NFLPA. Argue with them.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=237&pid=0&type=l#a14 . That's the NFLPA Members FAQ.


... or maybe you're right. Your confusion is actually understandable. The NFLPA seems to argue with themselves on this:

“Players must earn a certain number of Accrued Seasons prior to becoming a UFA,” said NFLPA Director of Salary Cap & Agent Administration Mark Levin.

A player whose contract expires at the beginning of a capped year (2008 and 2009), for instance, needs to have four Accrued Seasons to be a UFA, while a player whose contract expires at the beginning of the uncapped year (2010) must have six accrued seasons to gain free agency. Players earn an Accrued Season for any season in which they are on full pay status for at least six regular season games.

A player who has earned three Accrued Seasons and whose contract expires in a capped year is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA) provided that his club has given him a proper RFA tender. “In 2010, a player will be a RFA if he has earned three, four or five Accrued Seasons,” Levin explained.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=1340

This Levin was wrong, though. He's spread misinformation that's probably been repeated by reporters et al. See my post below for a link to the actual CBA if you want to see for yourself.

orange
03-14-2009, 09:26 PM
If the Chiefs want to keep Cassel next year, they either resign him now, or they Franchise Tag him again at a minimum of $17 million (guaranteed) next year.

bdeg
03-14-2009, 09:28 PM
So if it comes down to it, tag and trade just like we did with Jared.

Wow, 17 mil is a lot. They'll probably have a deal in place before the season though.

orange
03-14-2009, 09:35 PM
So if it comes down to it, tag and trade just like we did with Jared.

Wow, 17 mil is a lot. They'll probably have a deal in place before the season though.

Note my edit above. The NFLPA seems a little confused. I'm downloading a pdf of the CBA right now to check it out.

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Got it. Mark Levin was talking out of his ass mistaken. It's five accrued seasons for UFA in an uncapped year like the Player's FAQ says.

You can download it here: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=622&pid=0&type=l

It's an old-fashioned pdf (i.e. photographs) so it's unsearchable, but the relevant sections are on pages 56-58, and 237.

Mecca
03-15-2009, 01:55 AM
Bills select Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State

Pretty easy pick honestly.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 03:43 AM
You couldn't be MORE WRONG.

Cassel will be an UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT next year. Period.

"1. Unrestricted: In a capped year, a player with four or more accrued seasons has unrestricted free agency rights. Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA). An unrestricted free agent may sign with any team. If the unrestricted free agent is not signed by June 1, his old club may offer him a contract with a 10% raise over his prior year's salary, and thereby obtain the exclusive right to re-sign him after July 15 if he has not signed elsewhere by then."

Let me repeat that since you ignored it when I posted about this weeks ago:

Five or more accrued seasons are required for unrestricted free agency in an uncapped year (1993 or the last year of the CBA).

Who's my source? Only the NFLPA. Argue with them.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=237&pid=0&type=l#a14 . That's the NFLPA Members FAQ.


... or maybe you're right. Your confusion is actually understandable. The NFLPA seems to argue with themselves on this:

“Players must earn a certain number of Accrued Seasons prior to becoming a UFA,” said NFLPA Director of Salary Cap & Agent Administration Mark Levin.

A player whose contract expires at the beginning of a capped year (2008 and 2009), for instance, needs to have four Accrued Seasons to be a UFA, while a player whose contract expires at the beginning of the uncapped year (2010) must have six accrued seasons to gain free agency. Players earn an Accrued Season for any season in which they are on full pay status for at least six regular season games.

A player who has earned three Accrued Seasons and whose contract expires in a capped year is a Restricted Free Agent (RFA) provided that his club has given him a proper RFA tender. “In 2010, a player will be a RFA if he has earned three, four or five Accrued Seasons,” Levin explained.

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=1340

This Levin was wrong, though. He's spread misinformation that's probably been repeated by reporters et al. See my post below for a link to the actual CBA if you want to see for yourself.

And Cassel will have five years after 2009, and according to Mike Lombardi, former General Manger, here (http://podloc.andohs.net/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2864xhttp://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/espnradio/sportsguy/simmons090302.mp3), and here (http://podloc.andohs.net/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2864xhttp://query-origin.andohs.net/8000A6/content-root3.andomedia.com/origin/mp3/espnradio/sportsguy/simmons090127.mp3), you're completely incorrect.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 04:06 AM
Another source, proving that you are overdosing on fail:

hat determines an unrestricted free agent in the Final League Year (2010)? In capped seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent if he has four or more accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any club with no compensation owed to his old club.



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=A58B619D-DBB7-60C9-EA882000BB6A4D15


What determines whether a player is a restricted free agent in the "Final League Year?"
In capped seasons, a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three, four or five accrued seasons. The rights of restricted free agents remain unchanged in the Final League Year.

orange
03-15-2009, 04:21 AM
Another source, proving that you are overdosing on fail:

hat determines an unrestricted free agent in the Final League Year (2010)? In capped seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent if he has four or more accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract has expired becomes an unrestricted free agent only if he has six or more accrued seasons. An unrestricted free agent is free to sign with any club with no compensation owed to his old club.



http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=A58B619D-DBB7-60C9-EA882000BB6A4D15


What determines whether a player is a restricted free agent in the "Final League Year?"
In capped seasons, a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three accrued seasons. In the Final League Year (2010), a player whose contract expires becomes a restricted free agent if he has three, four or five accrued seasons. The rights of restricted free agents remain unchanged in the Final League Year.

Read the ****ing CBA.

I already posted a link for the pdf. And as I mentioned, that pdf consists of PHOTOGRAPHS of the actual paper document - no data entry errors!

You can also see it in html form here: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=231&pid=539&type=c

Article XIX:
VETERAN FREE AGENCY

Section 1. Unrestricted Free Agents:
(a) Subject to the provisions of Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year, shall, at the expiration of his Player Contract, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player
Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, subject to the signing period set forth below.



p.s. That Cowboys link is the same FAQ that's been circulated by the league. I already read it on CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836 and I'm sure you can find it many other places if you want to. It's probably to blame for so many people talking about "six accrued years" for UFA - but it's wrong. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SAYS FIVE YEARS.

orange
03-15-2009, 05:16 AM
A screenshot:

orange
03-15-2009, 05:32 AM
And speaking of confusion, here's Adam Schefter. He's conflating both the six year idea and the 10% raise idea.

With an uncapped year looming for 2010, everyone will be playing under an entirely different set of rules.

One rule creates a situation that makes it appear as if this year's franchised players have taken two steps forward and one back.

This offseason, franchise tags were handed out to unrestricted free agents Darren Sproles, Brandon Jacobs, Matt Cassel, Dunta Robinson, O.J. Atogwe, Leroy Hill, and Michael Koenen.

Each of these players completed their fourth year last season. But the collective bargaining agreement that eliminates the salary cap in 2010, also says that players do not get to become unrestricted free agents until their sixth season.

Thus, seven unrestricted free agents that were designated franchise players this offseason will revert back to be restricted free agents next offseason.

Now it's not entirely bad. The collective bargaining agreement says these franchised players will be entitled to a 10 percent raise in 2010. But they will not be allowed to become unrestricted free agents.

How odd, going from an unrestricted free agent to a restricted one. It is one of the many new rules to a different game the NFL will be playing.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ed649f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 06:12 AM
Read the ****ing CBA.

I already posted a link for the pdf. And as I mentioned, that pdf consists of PHOTOGRAPHS of the actual paper document - no data entry errors!

You can also see it in html form here: http://www.nflplayers.com/user/template.aspx?fmid=181&lmid=231&pid=539&type=c

Article XIX:
VETERAN FREE AGENCY

Section 1. Unrestricted Free Agents:
(a) Subject to the provisions of Article XX (Franchise and Transition Players), any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year, shall, at the expiration of his Player Contract, become an Unrestricted Free Agent. Such player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player
Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, subject to the signing period set forth below.



p.s. That Cowboys link is the same FAQ that's been circulated by the league. I already read it on CBS: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10847836 and I'm sure you can find it many other places if you want to. It's probably to blame for so many people talking about "six accrued years" for UFA - but it's wrong. THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SAYS FIVE YEARS.

In ANY CAPPED YEAR. 2010 is not a capped year, genious.

And, as Shefter reports, I am correct, and full of win, as always.

orange
03-15-2009, 06:31 AM
Upon further review, Schefter probably has it right.

The operative provision is this one in the attached picture.

Since 2009 is a capped year and is the year before the "Final League Year," players with five accrued years will not be UFAs, but they will be treated as players with 4 accrued years under Article XIX, Sections 2-4.

The portion of Article XIX that applies to salaries states:

(ii) For Restricted Free Agents with four Accrued Seasons (in Uncapped Years):
(1) Right of First Refusal: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least $771,600 for the 2006 League Year, $925,000 for the 2007 League Year, $1,002,000 for the 2008 League Year, $1,085,000 for the 2009 League Year, $1,176,000 for the 2010 League Year, $1,275,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $1,383,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable; (but see F below)

(2) Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at Player’s Original Draft Round: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) the amount set forth in Subsection (b)(ii)(1) above; or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged (this Subsection is subject to the rules of Subsection (c) below);

(3) Right of First Refusal and One Second Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,375,000 in the 2007 League Year, $1,492,000 in the 2008 League Year, $1,620,000 in the 2009 League Year, $1,759,000 in the 2010 League Year, $1,910,000 in the 2011 League Year, or $2,075,000 in the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged

(4) Right of First Refusal and One First Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,673,000 for the 2006 League Year, $1,975,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,142,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,323,000 for the 2009 League Year, $2,521,000 for the 2010 League Year, $2,736,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $2,971,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged; and

(5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $2,196,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,475,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,687,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,917,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,168,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,442,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,741,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged.

...

(f) A Restricted Free Agent shall have the option of accepting a one year NFL Player Contract for 110% of his Prior Year Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged) in lieu of a Player Contract for the applicable alternative amount specified in this paragraph, if he so wishes, regardless of which Player Contract is for a greater amount.



As Schefter reports, it all comes back to $17 million (current salary times 110%) to keep Cassel.

orange
03-15-2009, 06:39 AM
In ANY CAPPED YEAR. 2010 is not a capped year, genious.

And, as Shefter reports, I am correct, and full of win, as always.


any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year


You want to try reading that again, genius? "five" OR "four" "in any Capped Year." (Though that is supplanted by the special "Final League Year after a capped year rule" I posted above.)

And while you're at it, try reading Schefter again and see that Cassel will make $17 million (110% of his 2009 salary, whatever that is) and you are wrong as usual; you're definitely full of something, though.



<table class="wikitable"> <tbody><tr> <th>Tender amount</th> <th>Compensation required</th> </tr> <tr> <td>$2.562 million</td> <td>First- and third-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$2.017 million</td> <td>First-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$1.417 million</td> <td>Second-round</td> </tr> <tr> <td>$927,000</td> <td>Determined by RFA's original draft status (see below)</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

So very, very irrelevant.


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Ah, here are the actual numbers. This was sitting in a tab I should have read an hour ago.

Now, an interesting item to follow is Cassel’s contract status. He can play out this year at $14.65M and either be a restricted free agent next year (if it is uncapped) with a tender number of $16.12M (110 percent of this year’s number) or, if 2010 does have a Cap, an unrestricted free agent or tagged again at a $17.58M number (120 percent of this year’s number). Or, of course, he can work out a deal. With $32.23M in likely guaranteed income without a new deal, Cassel is, shall we say, in a highly favorable economic position.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/monday-money-matters-26/

OnTheWarpath58
03-15-2009, 09:19 AM
Bills select Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State

Pretty easy pick honestly.

Dammit, Mecca.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 11:37 AM
any player with five or more Accrued Seasons, or with four or more Accrued Seasons in any Capped Year


You want to try reading that again, genius? "five" OR "four" "in any Capped Year." (Though that is supplanted by the special "Final League Year after a capped year rule" I posted above.)

And while you're at it, try reading Schefter again and see that Cassel will make $17 million (110% of his 2009 salary, whatever that is) and you are wrong as usual; you're definitely full of something, though.




So very, very irrelevant.


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Ah, here are the actual numbers. This was sitting in a tab I should have read an hour ago.

Now, an interesting item to follow is Cassel’s contract status. He can play out this year at $14.65M and either be a restricted free agent next year (if it is uncapped) with a tender number of $16.12M (110 percent of this year’s number) or, if 2010 does have a Cap, an unrestricted free agent or tagged again at a $17.58M number (120 percent of this year’s number). Or, of course, he can work out a deal. With $32.23M in likely guaranteed income without a new deal, Cassel is, shall we say, in a highly favorable economic position.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/monday-money-matters-26/

So, in summation, I was right about owning his rights, and right about the fact that we can tender him for draft pick compensation, but was wrong about the amount that he'll be paid.

Awesome. And I'm full of something?

orange
03-15-2009, 11:39 AM
You justified your entire idiotic scheme on having Cassel for peanuts. Yes, you're full of something.

Or, if Cassel plays OK to good, and it looks like Stafford/Sanchez are PB material, since we own Cassel's rights for two years, as a RFA (due to CBA expiration), we can put a 1st and third round claim on him and get more in return for him if we don't match anyone else who signs him to an offer sheet.

So, if you give me the option of flipping Matt Cassel to some other team who will only have to pay him 2.5 million next year for a 1st and third when we paid a second for him, and I get a year to season Stafford/Sanchez, I do that 1 billion times out of 10.

But, since the Hooties of the world only think in terms of today, they'll bash the pick.

Maybe you should take your own advice:

If you don't know how NFL personnel moves work, don't post in this thread.

Cassel will be a RFA after next year. Since we own his rights, if we tender him to an offer sheet of 2.65 mil, if another team wants him, they sign him for dirt cheap (2.65), and have to pay a compensation of a 1st and 3rd round pick.

He qualified as a UFA this year because of the CBA, but with its expiration next year, it will revert to a player needing 6 years of experience. He'll have five. Thus, we own his rights, even if he's not signed to a contract.

We won't be desperate to unload him like NE, so we can hold onto him until a team in desperate need of a QB is willing to pay that price (say Minnesota). We get a late first and a late third for Matt Cassel when we paid a second for him, and we have a quarterback with elite upside to replace him who we didn't have to throw to the wolves.

I've said this from day one. I'm sorry if I actually know how personnel moves and FA work in the NFL, I know it must be terribly offensive to run into someone who knows WTF he's talking about.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 11:42 AM
You justified your entire idiotic scheme on having Cassel for peanuts. Yes, you're full of something.

We own his rights and can unload him at any time in the next two years without having to give him a long term extension and worry about him killing our cap with an accelerated bonus, so yeah.

Again, the most important thing is that we can offload him for draft pick compensation to a team desperate for a QB because we have an assload of cap room this year, and since 2010 won't be capped, a team that wants him can have him without cap implications.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 11:44 AM
You justified your entire idiotic scheme on having Cassel for peanuts. Yes, you're full of something.



Maybe you should take your own advice:

The only thing that was wrong was his compensation. Everything else, trade compensation, the FA structure, RFA qualifications, was right.

I'm not the one who posted a bunch of wildly contradictory information from my sources that I disagreed with, then agreed with, then disagreed with.

orange
03-15-2009, 11:47 AM
The only thing that was wrong was his compensation. Everything else, trade compensation, the FA structure, RFA qualifications, was right.

I'm not the one who posted a bunch of wildly contradictory information from my sources that I disagreed with, then agreed with, then disagreed with.

The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is the compensation. That's the same reason Cassel was so "cheap" to acquire this year. No one will trade much for him with that salary.

As for my posts of different information - I actually tried and found the truth.

You just kept clinging to your own half-baked nonsense as if it were meaningful - after you offered yourself as some kind of expert.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 11:53 AM
The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS is the compensation. That's the same reason Cassel was so "cheap" to acquire this year. No one will trade much for him with that salary.

As for my posts of different information - I actually tried and found the truth.

You just kept clinging to your own half-baked nonsense as if it were meaningful.

Cassel's money only means something in relation to the cap. If you think teams, that dole out 10's of millions of dollars in bonuses every year, are worried about paying a guy 17 million when it has no implication on the cap, you're insane.

If a team trades their first for Cassel next year, they aren't going to be spending any more money on him in that first year than they would the draft pick with a signing bonus if it was a top 20ish pick, so it's not going to be fiscally crushing either.

orange
03-15-2009, 11:56 AM
Cassel's money only means something in relation to the cap. If you think teams, that dole out 10's of millions of dollars in bonuses every year, are worried about paying a guy 17 million when it has no implication on the cap, you're insane.

If a team trades their first for Cassel next year, they aren't going to be spending any more money on him in that first year than they would the draft pick with a signing bonus if it was a top 20ish pick, so it's not going to be fiscally crushing either.

You're laughable - bouncing from one completely ridiculous claim to the next. The new contract - 2011 on - will certainly have a cap. And if the actual money is not an issue, why are the Chiefs not signing free agents?

Even disregarding cap concerns, teams won't pay Cassel BECAUSE HE'S NOT WORTH IT.

Woodrow Call
03-15-2009, 01:18 PM
The New York Jets select Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-15-2009, 01:39 PM
You're laughable - bouncing from one completely ridiculous claim to the next. The new contract - 2011 on - will certainly have a cap. And if the actual money is not an issue, why are the Chiefs not signing free agents?

Even disregarding cap concerns, teams won't pay Cassel BECAUSE HE'S NOT WORTH IT.

The Chiefs aren't signing free agents because we're not taking a Bronco approach to team building that assumes that every swinging dick out there is some how an upgrade.

Guess what: If new team A signs Cassel to an extension after trading for him, they can accelerate all of his bonus money up to the 2010 uncapped year, b/c they pay it out then anyway, and thus his cap number for the successive years becomes far more manageable, because you aren't carrying 1/6 or 1/5 of the bonus money tacked onto his base + any incentives.

milkman
03-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Is this next pick the one that the Pack received from the Jets for Favre, or are the Jets up?

I am not sure, because the team listed here is the Pack, but Archie Bunker is listed as the selector?

OnTheWarpath58
03-15-2009, 06:05 PM
Is this next pick the one that the Pack received from the Jets for Favre, or are the Jets up?

I am not sure, because the team listed here is the Pack, but Archie Bunker is listed as the selector?

My mistake.

Pick #76 belongs to the Jets, via New Orleans.

The selection stands - sorry for the confusion. The Texans are on the clock.

Marco Polo
03-15-2009, 09:25 PM
A bone-crushing play-making strong safety is urgently needed for the Texans.

The Houston Texans select Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma.

***In other news, time constraint can only allow me to manage the Texans. Anyone want to manage the Steelers from here on out?***

The Chargers are on the clock.

OnTheWarpath58
03-15-2009, 10:00 PM
***In other news, time constraint can only allow me to manage the Texans. Anyone want to manage the Steelers from here on out?***

BigChiefFan had the fewest number of picks going in - the Steelers are his if he wants them.

Lemme know, BCF.

Zouk
03-15-2009, 10:05 PM
The Chargers select Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson.

Jamal Williams is going to be 33 this year and he's played a lot of snaps the last 5 years. With Cesaire and Bingham teaming up to take over the end spot vacated by Olshansky, Scott gives the team a 5th lineman and someone who can step in if Williams gets nicked.

Chiefs=Good
03-15-2009, 10:14 PM
This thread should have this as theme music...

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Mecca
03-16-2009, 01:11 AM
A bone-crushing play-making strong safety is urgently needed for the Texans.

The Houston Texans select Nic Harris, SS, Oklahoma.

***In other news, time constraint can only allow me to manage the Texans. Anyone want to manage the Steelers from here on out?***

The Chargers are on the clock.

I should probably throw this in, Nic Harris is most likely a LB at the next level.

Direckshun
03-16-2009, 01:13 AM
I should probably throw this in, Nic Harris is most likely a LB at the next level.

For most teams.

Some teams, like the Pats and perhaps the Chiefs soon, like a relatively huge safety/LB hybrid.

Mecca
03-16-2009, 01:16 AM
For most teams.

Some teams, like the Pats and perhaps the Chiefs soon, like a relatively huge safety/LB hybrid.

He's awfully slow to be in todays NFL secondaries...

Direckshun
03-16-2009, 01:21 AM
He's awfully slow to be in todays NFL secondaries...

He's definitely not a cover two guy. He's a run support guy who can play shallow centerfield and lay some hits.

He's basically Bernard Pollard.

Pestilence
03-16-2009, 10:33 AM
Sorry about the wait. I moved into a house and we don't have the net hooked up just yet. Thank God for work. lol

The Broncos have needs on defense....especially getting younger in the secondary and grabbing another rush backer to help out the front seven. But there were some guys that got taken before this pick and the value right now really isn't that great. So looking on the offense....I see one kid that I think is a good value right here. Jay Cutler and the organization are not in a good situation right now and the depth of QB on the Bronco's roster doesn't look that great. Will Jay Cutler be the QBoTF for the Broncos or will he get traded during the draft? Who knows......but I'm looking at it right now that Cutler will be hard to resign when his contract is up. With the 79th pick the Denver Broncos select:

Nate Davis, QB, Ball State

Davis can sit for a year or two and allow the Cutler situation to work itself out. If somehow it does....then Davis will be a good insurance policy in case Cutler ever goes down. If Cutler doesn't resign with the Broncos....then they have Davis waiting in the wings.

Frosty
03-16-2009, 10:55 AM
Dammit, Mecca.

Are you trying to get all of your draft picks from Oregon schools? :D

Keenan Lewis is still there.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 11:29 AM
Sorry about the wait. I moved into a house and we don't have the net hooked up just yet. Thank God for work. lol

The Broncos have needs on defense....especially getting younger in the secondary and grabbing another rush backer to help out the front seven. But there were some guys that got taken before this pick and the value right now really isn't that great. So looking on the offense....I see one kid that I think is a good value right here. Jay Cutler and the organization are not in a good situation right now and the depth of QB on the Bronco's roster doesn't look that great. Will Jay Cutler be the QBoTF for the Broncos or will he get traded during the draft? Who knows......but I'm looking at it right now that Cutler will be hard to resign when his contract is up. With the 79th pick the Denver Broncos select:

Nate Davis, QB, Ball State

Davis can sit for a year or two and allow the Cutler situation to work itself out. If somehow it does....then Davis will be a good insurance policy in case Cutler ever goes down. If Cutler doesn't resign with the Broncos....then they have Davis waiting in the wings.

Are you fucking kidding me?

:cuss::cuss::cuss:

Pestilence
03-16-2009, 11:35 AM
Are you fucking kidding me?

:cuss::cuss::cuss:

Hey....if you wanted him for the Chiefs....you should have said something. :D

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 11:37 AM
Hey....if you wanted him for the Chiefs....you should have said something. :D

:Bartee:

BigChiefFan
03-16-2009, 12:06 PM
The Washington Redskins are thrilled that a potential blue-chip WR is still available to them on the 2nd day of the draft. The Redskins select Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State University

OnTheWarpath58
03-16-2009, 12:08 PM
The Washington Redskins are thrilled that a potential blue-chip WR is still available to them on the 2nd day of the draft. The Redskins select Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State University

I guess you didn't see my earlier post.

Do you want to take over the Steelers, since you're short on picks?

Direckshun
03-16-2009, 12:09 PM
Chase Daniel is still out there.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 12:14 PM
For me, this is a pretty easy selection after Davis is gone.

The Bucs need bigtime upgrades all across their D, and with most of the league transitioning to a 3-4, there is a lot of good talent available for a Cover 2 scheme, and the value finally matches up. This guy is perfect for a zone scheme, IMO, and he can fill in as a kick returner for added value. I've been targeting him for TB here, but when I saw Davis slipping, I thought I might be able to augment the QB situation. Well, fuck that.

With the 81st pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State.

BigChiefFan
03-16-2009, 12:17 PM
BigChiefFan had the fewest number of picks going in - the Steelers are his if he wants them.

Lemme know, BCF.
Yea, I'll take 'em. Thank you in advance.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 12:19 PM
since you're short on picks?

http://i41.tinypic.com/2lbcbap.jpg

Frosty
03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
With the 81st pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Coye Francies, CB, San Jose State.

Woot! Former Beaver and a really good player.

OnTheWarpath58
03-16-2009, 05:32 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/2lbcbap.jpg

ROFL

Dude, he had like 9 picks total.

I think you have 14 or 15.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 05:41 PM
ROFL

Dude, he had like 9 picks total.

I think you have 14 or 15.

I know.

OnTheWarpath58
03-16-2009, 05:43 PM
Andy Levitre was the target here, and while the Lions need OL help, (where DON'T they need help?) the value isn't there.

What they do need, is a playmaker opposite Calvin Johnson, and a solid kick returner, something McDonald and Furrey were not, in our humble opinion.

The Lions select:

Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State

Pestilence
03-16-2009, 06:17 PM
I won't be on tonight....so I PM'd my pick to OTW58 in case he's on later.

ChiefsCountry
03-16-2009, 06:26 PM
Andy Levitre was the target here, and while the Lions need OL help, (where DON'T they need help?) the value isn't there.

What they do need, is a playmaker opposite Calvin Johnson, and a solid kick returner, something McDonald and Furrey were not, in our humble opinion.

The Lions select:

Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State

Damnit. :cuss:

Direckshun
03-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Derrick Williams has bust written all over him.

Calling it as I see it.

Pestilence
03-16-2009, 06:45 PM
Derrick Williams has bust written all over him.

Calling it as I see it.

Where is your top 5?

Sfeihc
03-16-2009, 07:12 PM
Hold your thoughts, D. I don't need any of these guys picking in front of the Vikes getting any bright ideas. Especially if your top 5 and my top 5 have a few similarities.:)

Direckshun
03-16-2009, 07:36 PM
Given some of the picks so far, Sfeihc, virtually nobody around here has the same big board as mine.

1. RB Rashad Jennings, Liberty
2. OLB Gerald McRath, Southern Miss
3. MLB Jason Phillips, TCU
4. TE Travis Beckam, Wisconsin
5. OLB Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida

milkman
03-16-2009, 08:18 PM
Al Harris and Charles Woodson aren't getting any younger, and while the Pack have a couple of young CBs behind them, they aren't guys that are going to be setting the world on fire, though Will Blackmon is solid.

The Pack with the 83rd pick in the 2009 draft select Mike Mickens, CB, Cinncinnati.

Mickens has good height at just under 6', but could stand to gain about 10 lbs, bt he's not afraid to stick his nose into run defense.

He'll be able to contribute right away in nickel and dime packages.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 08:27 PM
Mickens is a great pick. He's a productive player with good measureables and a lot of experience.

Sfeihc
03-16-2009, 09:03 PM
Al Harris and Charles Woodson aren't getting any younger, and while the Pack have a couple of young CBs behind them, they aren't guys that are going to be setting the world on fire, though Will Blackmon is solid.

The Pack with the 83rd pick in the 2009 draft select Mike Mickens, CB, Cinncinnati.

Mickens has good height at just under 6', but could stand to gain about 10 lbs, bt he's not afraid to stick his nose into run defense.

He'll be able to contribute right away in nickel and dime packages.

Nice pick, milk. This was one guy in my top 5. D, you have listed a couple more.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-16-2009, 09:06 PM
This is a really easy pick. The Chicago Bears select Johnathan Luigs C Arkansas

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-16-2009, 09:09 PM
I was hoping Luigs would fall to KC. Piss fuck.

bdeg
03-16-2009, 11:03 PM
I was hoping Luigs would fall to KC. Piss ****.

Never would've made it. Pats, Cards, Steelers and Titans all could have easily taken him. If this mock is any indication, looks like we'll have to take one with our third if we want one of the top centers.

Zouk
03-16-2009, 11:13 PM
Never would've made it. Pats, Cards, and Titans all could have easily taken him.

I wasn't taking him for the Titans. I've got 3-5 different guys I was considering for the Titans in the 2nd round still on the board. I know I'll get someone I really want.

NFL GMs must have so much fun on draft day. This is great.

bdeg
03-16-2009, 11:19 PM
You know Mawae is probably retiring after next season? He's 38. Maybe you're just not a fan of Luigs, to tell you the truth I don't know much about him.

Zouk
03-16-2009, 11:23 PM
You know Mawae is probably retiring after next season? He's 38. Maybe you're just not a fan of his, to tell you the truth I don't know much about him.

Leroy Harris (last year 4th rounder) and Fernando Velazco are ready to compete for that job when Mawae retires, and Amano can play center too. As a team that doesn't play much in free agency the Titans will be looking for a 3rd round pick that can get on the field, and they have multiple bigger needs.

bdeg
03-16-2009, 11:28 PM
whoops! should have checked the depth chart.

OnTheWarpath58
03-17-2009, 09:41 AM
Via PM, the Eagles select:

Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois

Mr. Flopnuts
03-17-2009, 10:46 AM
Via PM, the Eagles select:

Xavier Fulton, OT, Illinois

Goddammit. I didn't take him because I figured he would still be sitting there in the 4th. Oh well, no way Luigs was gonna last that long.

Sfeihc
03-17-2009, 12:08 PM
The Williams wrecking crew isn't getting any younger. The pick here for the Vikings is Alex Magee, DT, Purdue.

OnTheWarpath58
03-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Dolphins pick, via PM:

Heading out for the day, so here's my pick and an alternate.

Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly

Saw this kid play live against Wisconsin and he looked great. It's definitely a "potential" pick which I'm wary off but I didn't want him to get snatched before I could get to him.

Fleshes out the Dolphin's receivers. Ginn as the stretch the field guy, Bess as a slot, Camarillo as a possession type and Barden as a goal line threat.

DaKCMan AP
03-17-2009, 02:01 PM
By the start of the season Trevor Pryce will be 34 and Justin Bannan will be 30. Marquis Douglas, their backup at both end positions last year signed with the Jets. Suffice it to say the Ravens need depth at DE and someone to groom for the future. This guy should be able to come in and contribute in the rotation immediately and can potentially develop into a full-time starter. He's a little short but has enough size at 6-2, 280, along with excellent strength for his size, to play DE in a 3-4 scheme.

The Baltimore Ravens select DE Mitch King, Iowa.

Marco Polo
03-17-2009, 02:02 PM
By the start of the season Trevor Pryce will be 34 and Justin Bannan will be 30. Marquis Douglas, their backup at both end positions last year signed with the Jets. Suffice it to say the Ravens need depth at DE and someone to groom for the future. This guy should be able to come in and contribute in the rotation immediately and can potentially develop into a full-time starter. He's a little short but has enough size at 6-2, 280, along with excellent strength for his size, to play DE in a 3-4 scheme.

The Baltimore Ravens select DE Mitch King, Iowa.

As someone who knows him, I love that pick!

OnTheWarpath58
03-17-2009, 03:10 PM
It's a shade early, (the value is at positions the Patriots have already drafted) but the Patriots believe there is quite a drop-off in talent on the OL after this pick.

Projects to be a guard, but is versatile enough to play RT, and could knock Nick Kaczur out of a starting role, or at worst-case scenario, be the starting RG in 2010 when 900 year old Stephen Neal is cut/retires/etc.

The Patriots select:

Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-17-2009, 03:26 PM
It's a shade early, (the value is at positions the Patriots have already drafted) but the Patriots believe there is quite a drop-off in talent on the OL after this pick.

Projects to be a guard, but is versatile enough to play RT, and could knock Nick Kaczur out of a starting role, or at worst-case scenario, be the starting RG in 2010 when 900 year old Stephen Neal is cut/retires/etc.

The Patriots select:

Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin

Fuck.

Pestilence
03-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Dolphins pick, via PM:

It was between Fulton and Barden. I knew that the Eagles needed more help on the o-line and that I could maybe get him in the 4th. Looks like that isn't happening.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-17-2009, 03:42 PM
It was between Fulton and Barden. I knew that the Eagles needed more help on the o-line and that I could maybe get him in the 4th. Looks like that isn't happening.

OL always goes crazy fast in the CP mocks...not that I'm shocked :)

Pestilence
03-17-2009, 03:42 PM
OL always goes crazy fast in the CP mocks...not that I'm shocked :)

That's what I figured would happen. If I waited on o-line until the 4th....there wouldn't be anybody good left.

OnTheWarpath58
03-17-2009, 03:43 PM
That's what I figured would happen. If I waited on o-line until the 4th....there wouldn't be anybody good left.

Same reason I felt I needed to take Urbik.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-17-2009, 04:44 PM
It was between Fulton and Barden. I knew that the Eagles needed more help on the o-line and that I could maybe get him in the 4th. Looks like that isn't happening.

It was a solid pick. So solid IMO, even though it was probably a reach in the eyes of many that I almost took him over Luigs knowing he wouldn't last. I think Xavier's best football days are in front of him. I was hoping he'd slide to the Bears in the 4th.

milkman
03-17-2009, 10:07 PM
The Falcons still need another OLB to replace the players lost to free agency and cuts, and could use some added depth at OT, but the players available at those positions just don't offer good value at this pont in the draft, at least not from where I sit.

So I'm going to go with another kid I've been high on since the start of the season with this pick.

He's a guy who isn't as fast as you'd like to see on the clock, but he seems to just find ways to get things done and make plays as a pass rusher and a run defender, and he can give both John Abraham and Jamaal Anderson some snaps off to keep them fresh.

With the 90th pick of the 2009 Chiefsplanet mock draft, the Falcons select Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin

milkman
03-17-2009, 10:12 PM
Dolphins pick, via PM:
Heading out for the day, so here's my pick and an alternate.

Ramses Barden, WR, Cal Poly

Saw this kid play live against Wisconsin and he looked great. It's definitely a "potential" pick which I'm wary off but I didn't want him to get snatched before I could get to him.

Fleshes out the Dolphin's receivers. Ginn as the stretch the field guy, Bess as a slot, Camarillo as a possession type and Barden as a goal line threat.

Living 15 minutes south of San Louis Obispo, I've seen Barden live a couple of times, and he runs a little stiff, and needs to learn some route discipline, but I think the kid has huge upside.

Zouk
03-17-2009, 10:21 PM
It's about time to add comp picks, right?

Direckshun
03-18-2009, 10:31 AM
I really, really hate this pick.

None of the people at the top of my board fit what the Giants need and what they want to do.

I will need more time. Be back in a bit.

Zouk
03-18-2009, 11:03 AM
I really, really hate this pick.

None of the people at the top of my board fit what the Giants need and what they want to do.



I'd trade up if I could. There's someone I really want for the Titans.

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2009, 01:25 PM
It's about time to add comp picks, right?

The owners meeting is this weekend - the picks will be released then.

I'm in favor of putting things on hold for a few days and using the official picks.

Zouk
03-18-2009, 02:16 PM
The owners meeting is this weekend - the picks will be released then.

I'm in favor of putting things on hold for a few days and using the official picks.

Fine with me. I'm just chomping at the bit because I know I'm going to get a good one for the Chargers losing Michael Turner.

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Fine with me. I'm just chomping at the bit because I know I'm going to get a good one for the Chargers losing Michael Turner.

Not that it changes things for the Chargers, but remember how compensatory picks work:

It's not necessarily who you lose, it's how many FA's you lose in relation to the number of FA's you sign.

Pestilence
03-18-2009, 02:25 PM
Are we going to finish off this round and then wait until they're announced?

Zouk
03-18-2009, 02:30 PM
Here are the projections if people would rather use these. Either way is fine with me:

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/03/projecting-2009-compensatory-nfl-draft.html

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2009, 02:41 PM
Are we going to finish off this round and then wait until they're announced?

Well, I have to head up to KC for a funeral, and won't have much (if any) access while I'm there.

My personal preference would be to continue until Noon tomorrow, and then restart things on Monday morning. Things move really slow over the weekend anyway, so we're not really missing out.

DaKCMan AP
03-18-2009, 02:51 PM
Here are the projections if people would rather use these. Either way is fine with me:

http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2009/03/projecting-2009-compensatory-nfl-draft.html

So according to that we'd get to draft Mr. Irrelevant. Nice.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-18-2009, 03:41 PM
Well, I have to head up to KC for a funeral, and won't have much (if any) access while I'm there.

My personal preference would be to continue until Noon tomorrow, and then restart things on Monday morning. Things move really slow over the weekend anyway, so we're not really missing out.

That's perfect for me, I'm moving this weekend.

ChiefsCountry
03-18-2009, 03:42 PM
Well, I have to head up to KC for a funeral, and won't have much (if any) access while I'm there.

My personal preference would be to continue until Noon tomorrow, and then restart things on Monday morning. Things move really slow over the weekend anyway, so we're not really missing out.

Sounds good to me.

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Actually, I was just reading that the compensatory picks won't be announced until Monday.

I say we get through these last 6 picks, then shut it down.

I just won't be around to update from Noon tomorrow until Saturday morning.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-18-2009, 04:07 PM
Actually, I was just reading that the compensatory picks won't be announced until Monday.

I say we get through these last 6 picks, then shut it down.

I just won't be around to update from Noon tomorrow until Saturday morning.

Sold. By the way, I know you're on the mend from some injuries that are preventing you from playing golf. Here's an alternative. Only $19.99 for the next 4 hours, or until they sell out. It's a gold box special right now.

http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Pacific-Ultimotion-Sports-Controller/dp/B001535JG6/ref=xs_gb_A3W33MYVHAR8BB?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pfRdReplace=1

OnTheWarpath58
03-18-2009, 04:11 PM
Sold. By the way, I know you're on the mend from some injuries that are preventing you from playing golf. Here's an alternative. Only $19.99 for the next 4 hours, or until they sell out. It's a gold box special right now.

http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Pacific-Ultimotion-Sports-Controller/dp/B001535JG6/ref=xs_gb_A3W33MYVHAR8BB?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pfRdReplace=1

LMAO

I've actually been playing the Wii quite a bit.

I went to rehab yesterday, and they've cleared me to play next weekend. I can't do anymore damage to it, so it's just a pain tolerance issue.

We're playing 4 rounds in 3 days Friday-Sunday, so I'm sure I'll be icing the hell out of it every night.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-18-2009, 04:13 PM
LMAO

I've actually been playing the Wii quite a bit.

I went to rehab yesterday, and they've cleared me to play next weekend. I can't do anymore damage to it, so it's just a pain tolerance issue.

We're playing 4 rounds in 3 days Friday-Sunday, so I'm sure I'll be icing the hell out of it every night.

LMAO I figured you'd get a kick out of that. Well, congrats on the golf news. Rub some fuckin dirt in it and hit the links.

milkman
03-18-2009, 04:35 PM
That's perfect for me, I'm moving this weekend.

Be sure to send me your new address, so I know where I'm not sending the checks.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-18-2009, 04:42 PM
Be sure to send me your new address, so I know where I'm not sending the checks.

I'm sure you got tired of the NSF fees from me running your bouncers 15 times until the bank didn't have any room to stamp it anywhere else. I know, I know, you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. But, you do know what a turnip is don't you? IT'S A DEAD BEET!!!

milkman
03-18-2009, 04:44 PM
I'm sure you got tired of the NSF fees from me running your bouncers 15 times until the bank didn't have any room to stamp it anywhere else. I know, I know, you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. But, you do know what a turnip is don't you? IT'S A DEAD BEET!!!

LMAO

Mr. Flopnuts
03-18-2009, 04:46 PM
LMAO

Ya know pops, the funny thing is, as a former bill collector I've had the honor and privilege of using that line on a few people. Their response has been nowhere near as gracious as yours..........

"What the fuck did you say to me?"

"Listen, do you finger your ass too much?"

"WTFOMGBBQ!!!!!!!!1!!!"

"I said, do.....you.......figure......I'm asking.......too..........much?"

Click.

milkman
03-18-2009, 04:50 PM
Ya know pops, the funny thing is, as a former bill collector I've had the honor and privilege of using that line on a few people. Their response has been nowhere near as gracious as yours..........

"What the **** did you say to me?"

"Listen, do you finger your ass too much?"

"WTFOMGBBQ!!!!!!!!1!!!"

"I said, do.....you.......figure......I'm asking.......too..........much?"

Click.

Well, you know, I'm an easy going kind.

Mr. Flopnuts
03-19-2009, 08:51 AM
I'm surprised BRC hasn't picked in front of Direckshun yet. I would've.

eazyb81
03-19-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm surprised BRC hasn't picked in front of Direckshun yet. I would've.

Agree, this is getting lame. Dude needs to pick already.