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EyePod
03-03-2009, 08:33 AM
Cutler drawing interest from Vikes?

The Minneapolis Star Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/40578887.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr) reports that talks between the Minnesota Vikings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min) and Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) continued on Monday, and the topic of these talks was a potential trade for quarterback Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597). Cutler would be a huge upgrade over any of the players that are slated to compete for the Vikings' starting job and according to the paper, the Vikings first asked about Cutler at the NFL combine in February. In the time since, Minnesota traded a fourth round draft pick to the Houston Texans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=hou) for Sage Rosenfels (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2658). Asked at the press conference to introduce Rosenfels whether the team would also acquire an elite quarterback this offseason, coach Brad Childress told the Star Tribune, "Don't know, I'm not clairvoyant."
A trade for Cutler would not be cheap for Minnesota. For starters, the Vikings would likely have to part ways with this year's first-round draft pick (No. 22 overall), and then supplement that pick with other draft picks or veterans. Denver is also likely seeking some semblance of a quarterback in return, seeing as Cutler's 2008 backup, Patrick Ramsey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3560), is currently an unrestricted free agent.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors




I think this would be huge for us. Sanchez or Stafford will never be as good as Cutler. Man, those purple people eaters are just trying to get all of the good players out of the AFC West. Next I'll bet they try and sign LT.....

Direckshun
03-03-2009, 08:40 AM
COVETED BACKUP PATRICK RAMSEY!!!

KCrockaholic
03-03-2009, 08:43 AM
This would be great. Although it would ultimately send the Vikes deep into the playoffs next year, with all that talent on one team? T.J., Peterson, The Williams, Allen, Greenway, adding Cutler would be a smart move for Minnesota

beach tribe
03-03-2009, 08:44 AM
Can you imagine Cutler leaving the Donks? This is hilarious.

Pants
03-03-2009, 08:46 AM
Minnesota would be beastly if that were to happen.

StcChief
03-03-2009, 08:49 AM
Can you imagine Cutler leaving the Donks? This is hilarious.relaxing knowing with the Rat they are collapsing into an Oakland franchise.

Saccopoo
03-03-2009, 08:59 AM
Greatest off-season ever just continues to get better.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 09:03 AM
I hope they don't get Sanchez. His upside to me is bigger than Cutler's.

Now if they replace Cutler with Stafford, they're likely getting the same kind of player.

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 09:04 AM
If this is true, it makes everything that McDaniels has told Cutler and the media/public about the situation complete lies. Honestly, he should probably be careful about going out into public around Denver.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 09:06 AM
Even if they do trade Cutler, I still don't see a way for them to get the 1st overall pick.

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 09:06 AM
There's also rumors about the Browns asking about Cutler too...

This might get interesting...

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 09:08 AM
I hope Cutler goes to the NFC, the bronco implosion would be a lifetime event.

Garcia Bronco
03-03-2009, 09:10 AM
Everybody is asking about Cutler, but he's not getting traded by all accounts.

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 09:13 AM
Everybody is asking about Cutler, but he's not getting traded by all accounts.

Assuming the article is correct, wouldn't the fact that the talks "continued" on Monday indicate that this is something the Broncos are interested in, and not just a trade scenario brought up by Minnesota?

Brock
03-03-2009, 09:14 AM
They're just answering the phone, there's nothing to it /bronco homers

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 09:14 AM
the broncos would'nt have a QB, that would be the dumbest thing to do is trade Cutler, unless they tried to draft a QB this year.

Mcdaniels is such a dipshit

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 09:15 AM
Gus Frerotte will look good in Orange and Blue.

CoMoChief
03-03-2009, 09:22 AM
Vikings gets Cutler that team immediately is a SB bound team in the NFC.

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 09:23 AM
Cutlers diabetic, McDaniels doesn't like diabetic QB's

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 09:25 AM
Cutlers diabetic, McDaniels doesn't like diabetic QB's

It kind of seems that way.

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 09:26 AM
Maybe McDaniels is enamored with Stafford or Sanchez, and they're going to try to make a play for him using Cutler as the bait?

Sounds crazy.

CoMoChief
03-03-2009, 09:29 AM
Cutler leaves DEN and DEN immediately becomes the worst team in the AFCW.

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 09:29 AM
Maybe McDaniels is enamored with Stafford or Sanchez, and they're going to try to make a play for him using Cutler as the bait?

Sounds crazy.

They went after Cassel first, I'm just getting the feeling he gets weirded out when Cutler has to use the needle.

Brock
03-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Oh, I think we know who McDaniel is enamored with.

Goapics1
03-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Oh, I think we know who McDaniel is enamored with.

We do?

nychief
03-03-2009, 09:40 AM
What a weird off season for the broncos so far.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 09:40 AM
We do?Here's a hint, it's OUR NEW QB.:D

Rooster
03-03-2009, 09:41 AM
Jake Plummer spotted at the Denver Airport.















j/k:D

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 09:44 AM
Here's a hint, it's OUR NEW QB.:D

Well we should get our own three-way trade going.

Denver gets Cassel.
Detroit get Cutler.

We get the #12, #20, and 3rd round picks from both.

Win, win, win. :)

Goapics1
03-03-2009, 09:45 AM
Well we should get our own three-way trade going.

Denver gets Cassel.
Detroit get Cutler.

We get the #12, #20, and 3rd round picks from both.

Win, win, win. :)

Can LJ be thrown in there somewhere?

Rooster
03-03-2009, 09:46 AM
Can LJ be thrown in there somewhere?

Throw him to the curb for all I care.

Pioli Zombie
03-03-2009, 09:58 AM
Well we should get our own three-way trade going.

Denver gets Cassel.
Detroit get Cutler.

We get the #12, #20, and 3rd round picks from both.

Win, win, win. :)
And tyler thigpen is the qb of the future?
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Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 10:03 AM
And tyler thigpen is the qb of the future?
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You'd draft Matthew at #3, assuming the Lions and Rams go LT

Pioli Zombie
03-03-2009, 10:05 AM
Wait my bad. If you can pull that off and keep the #3 to draft sanchez or stafford. And then still have #12, #20 and the exta 3's then YES YES that is a great deal.
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Pioli Zombie
03-03-2009, 10:07 AM
Wait a minute........

Why would anybody give 2 firsts and a third for either Cassel or Cutler??
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MagicHef
03-03-2009, 10:08 AM
Well we should get our own three-way trade going.

Denver gets Cassel.
Detroit get Cutler.

We get the #12, #20, and 3rd round picks from both.

Win, win, win. :)

I would like to say there's no way the Broncos give up Cutler, a first and a third for Cassel, but with McDaniels running the show, I'm not so sure anymore.

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 10:11 AM
The Chiefs aren't going to trade Cassell LMAO

Pioli Zombie
03-03-2009, 10:11 AM
Sorry Mattie, almost shipped you out under false pretenses. But I heard 12 and 20 and got all carried away ;)
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bowener
03-03-2009, 10:25 AM
There's also rumors about the Browns asking about Cutler too...

This might get interesting...

??

They have Quinn.

Pestilence
03-03-2009, 10:26 AM
??

They have Quinn.

Quinn to the Broncos?

chiefscafan
03-03-2009, 10:27 AM
ok did I actually read someone say sanchez has more potential than cutler? Wow this board has lost it's mind with the sanchez love. I was happy when we got cassel one for the chiefs two so the talk of us getting sanchez at the three would stop. But I get on here and there are still some of you who think sanchez is better than cassel and now cutler. Give me a break these guys have played in the NFL he hasn't. I can not wait to see the guy turn out not to be half as talented as these 2. Let him go to broncos then we get to see his suckage two times a year LOL. By the way the AFC west is starting to look winable next year I like :)

Brock
03-03-2009, 10:35 AM
We do?

Sure, considering who he tried to trade for.

Mile High Mania
03-03-2009, 10:42 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11448668/rss

I like this...

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Even though it's hard to picture, especially considering his close-to-the-vest ways, Mike Shanahan is somewhere today probably laughing his ass off. The punch line: The Denver Broncos (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/DEN) talked about trading Jay Cutler (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/409102). Shanahan was fired as the coach of the Broncos after the 2008 season, replaced by Josh McDaniels, who came over from the New England Patriots (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/NE).



Shanahan's undoing wasn't his coaching, but rather his personnel decisions. None of the bad ones he made -- and there were plenty -- could have topped the one the Broncos almost made over the weekend.



<table width="251" align="left" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td width="251"> http://images.cbssports.com/u/photos/football/nfl/img11448679.jpg </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="251"> Is Matt Cassel strictly a one-hit wonder? (Getty Images) </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> How could they have actually considered trading Cutler?



Their target was reportedly Matt Cassel (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/552470), who played for McDaniels in New England.
Did I miss the memo that stated one season makes an NFL star? What is all the fuss about Matt Cassel? I'm not saying he can't be an effective NFL quarterback, or a top-15 passer. But the talk that the Broncos were willing to trade away Jay Cutler in a three-way deal to get Cassel is just stupid.
Cutler or Cassel?



Please.



Last summer, Cassel was just hoping to make the New England roster, nearly being cut in favor of Matt Gutierrez. Now he's being talked in the same breath with Jay Cutler.



Has anybody really studied the two?Cutler has a rocket. Cassel does not.
Cutler was a first-round pick for a reason. Cassel didn't even start at USC.


Yet the word got out Saturday that the Broncos were willing to part with Cutler to get Cassel. They would have worked a three-way deal to get Cassel with Tampa Bay. Instead, the Patriots traded Cassel to the Chiefs, along with linebacker Mike Vrabel, for a second-round pick.
Josh McDaniels got a mulligan. He should be thankful.



Cutler has started 37 games in his career, completing 62.5 percent of his passes. Last season he threw for 4,526 yards with 25 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions. He improved greatly last season in his second full one as a starter.
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<table class="pollTable" width="230" border="0" cellpadding="7" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr><td valign="top" align="left"> Who would you rather have at QB?
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Why do you think he was almost cut?



Bill Belichick is arguably the best football mind in the business. Do you think he'd let a legitimate franchise passer go because of one bad summer of football?
Do you think he really would get fleeced by doing a favor for Scott Pioli by trading Cassel to the Chiefs?
Belichick wouldn't do a favor for his own family.
The Broncos are now putting it out that Cutler wasn't their only player that they talked about in trade talks.
That's called spin.
Coaches love their own guys, almost to a fault sometimes. There's comfort. They know the system. They know what to expect every day, in practice and in meetings.



That's why McDaniels wanted Cassel. He was one of his guys. They probably got close in all those meeting rooms. Can't you see it? They were two young guys trying to make their way underneath the glare of the stars above them, Belichick and Tom Brady.
A relationship had to form. That's natural.



But to think that Cutler couldn't be that same kind of guy is na´ve on the part of McDaniels. Cutler was good enough to play for Shanahan. The relationship between Cutler and the new staff will be fixed. He'll realize it's business.



But the foolishness of trying to trade him will linger for some time.
So go ahead and laugh, Shanny. The punch line is way too funny: Trade Jay Cutler to get Matt Cassel.
You don't get jokes much more laughable than that from those late-night talking heads.

Jerm
03-03-2009, 10:46 AM
I stopped reading at By Pete Prisco.

the Talking Can
03-03-2009, 10:48 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11448668/rss

I like this...

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How's it feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 10:50 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11448668/rss

I like this...

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Even though it's hard to picture, especially considering his close-to-the-vest ways, Mike Shanahan is somewhere today probably laughing his ass off. The punch line: The Denver Broncos (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/DEN) talked about trading Jay Cutler (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/409102). Shanahan was fired as the coach of the Broncos after the 2008 season, replaced by Josh McDaniels, who came over from the New England Patriots (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/NE).



Shanahan's undoing wasn't his coaching, but rather his personnel decisions. None of the bad ones he made -- and there were plenty -- could have topped the one the Broncos almost made over the weekend.



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Their target was reportedly Matt Cassel (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/552470), who played for McDaniels in New England.
Did I miss the memo that stated one season makes an NFL star? What is all the fuss about Matt Cassel? I'm not saying he can't be an effective NFL quarterback, or a top-15 passer. But the talk that the Broncos were willing to trade away Jay Cutler in a three-way deal to get Cassel is just stupid.
Cutler or Cassel?



Please.



Last summer, Cassel was just hoping to make the New England roster, nearly being cut in favor of Matt Gutierrez. Now he's being talked in the same breath with Jay Cutler.



Has anybody really studied the two?Cutler has a rocket. Cassel does not.
Cutler was a first-round pick for a reason. Cassel didn't even start at USC.


Yet the word got out Saturday that the Broncos were willing to part with Cutler to get Cassel. They would have worked a three-way deal to get Cassel with Tampa Bay. Instead, the Patriots traded Cassel to the Chiefs, along with linebacker Mike Vrabel, for a second-round pick.
Josh McDaniels got a mulligan. He should be thankful.



Cutler has started 37 games in his career, completing 62.5 percent of his passes. Last season he threw for 4,526 yards with 25 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions. He improved greatly last season in his second full one as a starter.
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Why do you think he was almost cut?



Bill Belichick is arguably the best football mind in the business. Do you think he'd let a legitimate franchise passer go because of one bad summer of football?
Do you think he really would get fleeced by doing a favor for Scott Pioli by trading Cassel to the Chiefs?
Belichick wouldn't do a favor for his own family.
The Broncos are now putting it out that Cutler wasn't their only player that they talked about in trade talks.
That's called spin.
Coaches love their own guys, almost to a fault sometimes. There's comfort. They know the system. They know what to expect every day, in practice and in meetings.



That's why McDaniels wanted Cassel. He was one of his guys. They probably got close in all those meeting rooms. Can't you see it? They were two young guys trying to make their way underneath the glare of the stars above them, Belichick and Tom Brady.
A relationship had to form. That's natural.



But to think that Cutler couldn't be that same kind of guy is na´ve on the part of McDaniels. Cutler was good enough to play for Shanahan. The relationship between Cutler and the new staff will be fixed. He'll realize it's business.



But the foolishness of trying to trade him will linger for some time.
So go ahead and laugh, Shanny. The punch line is way too funny: Trade Jay Cutler to get Matt Cassel.
You don't get jokes much more laughable than that from those late-night talking heads.

It was stupid on their part to do it when they already have a solid QB....that said im glad your HC has probably fucked with his psyche now, if i were cutler i'd want to gtfo of denver asap

vailpass
03-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Can you imagine Cutler leaving the Donks? This is hilarious.

I would be laughing too if I were you. So far McDaniels is a cluster fuck.

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 10:52 AM
How's it feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

It makes me not exactly like our HC.

vailpass
03-03-2009, 10:55 AM
How's it feel to know that your HC wants our QB?

It feels like our head coach doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, doesn't know a starter from a back up.
I'm bumming on Coach McDickhead right about now.

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 10:56 AM
It was stupid on their part to do it when they already have a solid QB....that said im glad your HC has probably ****ed with his psyche now, if i were cutler i'd want to gtfo of denver asap

Who wouldn't want out of that abortion?

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 10:59 AM
That's a pretty decent article, MHM, but I like the posts by the fans on that link better. One of them brings up a couple of good points.

1. Cutler has acted about as unprofessional as possible.

2. According to the poster, it's taken Cutler 3 years to learn Shanahan's system, now he will be asked to learn a NEW system and some fear it could set Cutler back.

What say you?

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 11:16 AM
That a pretty decent article, MHM, but I like the posts by the fans on that link better. One of them brings up a couple of good points.

1. Cutler has acted about as unprofessional as possible.

2. According to the poster, it's taken Cutler 3 years to learn Shanahan's system, now he will be asked to learn a NEW system and some fear it could set Cutler back.

What say you?

1. I guess I don't understand how Cutler has acted unprofessionally. He was asked how he felt about the trade rumors, and he said he was shocked. I was shocked, and I think a lot of people were shocked. He then declined to fly to Denver from Nashville to meet with the people that had told him, apparently, nothing but lies. McDaniels told him that they had never tried to trade him, while they were apparently discussing a trade with the Vikings. Personally, I think McDaniels acted unprofessionally, and I don't understand why he feels he needs to lie about this whole situation.

2. It may take time for him to adjust to, but I think Cutler is talented enough to succeed in almost any system.

Mile High Mania
03-03-2009, 11:18 AM
That a pretty decent article, MHM, but I like the posts by the fans on that link better. One of them brings up a couple of good points.

1. Cutler has acted about as unprofessional as possible.

2. According to the poster, it's taken Cutler 3 years to learn Shanahan's system, now he will be asked to learn a NEW system and some fear it could set Cutler back.

What say you?

#1 - I agree that he needs to buckle up and grow up a bit, it is a business... but none of us know what was said behind close doors between Cutler and the HC prior to this BS. So, is he pissed because he truly was lied to or is he being more of a woman than he needs to be? None of us knows the full story. But, again ... I do think he needs to wise up and this could be good for him in the long run.

#2 - Learning a new system should always be a concern, but I don't agree that it has taken him 3 years to finally learn Shanahan's system. He was thrown in the final stretch of games in 2006 as a rookie and played like a rookie.

In 2007, he was 7-9 as a starter... nearly 3500 yds passing with 20 TDs and 14 INTs. So, there were highs and lows, but as far as 'learning the system', I believe he "got it" in 2007.

In 2008, he was 8-8 as a starter, nearly 4600 yds passing with 25 TDs and 18 INTs. The Broncos had zero consistency in the rushing game and the defense continued to suck.

Are they suggesting that the 9 and 8 losses are all because Cutler hadn't fully learned the system? I think that's stupid.

In 2008, only 2 QBs made more than 600 pass attempts - Brees (635) and Cutler (616). Brees had nearly 500 more yards, 9 more TDs and 1 fewer INT on 19 more pass attempts. The Saints were also 8-8.

It was pointed out earlier that while Marshall had a fine season with over 100 receptions... he had some serious drops (18 on target I believe) and the only other threat was the rookie, both did well.

Why am I typing all this... because I think it's crazy to suggest that Cutler took so long to learn the system and that learning a new system will set him back. Yes, he has areas to work on, but he's a very nice talent to have and the current regime is doing their best to screw it up.

The Broncos issues the last few years are more than just the QB... I think the QB was far down the list on areas to fix. But, the new staff is learning early what to do and what not to do.

Thig Lyfe
03-03-2009, 11:28 AM
I don't know which would be better: a disgruntled Cutler moping around in Denver or a vengeful Cutler sent to the NFC with renewed motivation and energy.

The second option probably wins if the Broncos were unable to trade for a high enough pick to get Sanchez or Stafford.

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 11:30 AM
Wait my bad. If you can pull that off and keep the #3 to draft sanchez or stafford. And then still have #12, #20 and the exta 3's then YES YES that is a great deal.
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ok did I actually read someone say sanchez has more potential than cutler? Wow this board has lost it's mind with the sanchez love. I was happy when we got cassel one for the chiefs two so the talk of us getting sanchez at the three would stop. But I get on here and there are still some of you who think sanchez is better than cassel and now cutler. Give me a break these guys have played in the NFL he hasn't. I can not wait to see the guy turn out not to be half as talented as these 2. Let him go to broncos then we get to see his suckage two times a year LOL. By the way the AFC west is starting to look winable next year I like :)

LMAOOh sweet Jesus; is it April 25th yet?LMAO

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 11:34 AM
#1 - I agree that he needs to buckle up and grow up a bit, it is a business... but none of us know what was said behind close doors between Cutler and the HC prior to this BS. So, is he pissed because he truly was lied to or is he being more of a woman than he needs to be? None of us knows the full story. But, again ... I do think he needs to wise up and this could be good for him in the long run.

#2 - Learning a new system should always be a concern, but I don't agree that it has taken him 3 years to finally learn Shanahan's system. He was thrown in the final stretch of games in 2006 as a rookie and played like a rookie.

In 2007, he was 7-9 as a starter... nearly 3500 yds passing with 20 TDs and 14 INTs. So, there were highs and lows, but as far as 'learning the system', I believe he "got it" in 2007.

In 2008, he was 8-8 as a starter, nearly 4600 yds passing with 25 TDs and 18 INTs. The Broncos had zero consistency in the rushing game and the defense continued to suck.

Are they suggesting that the 9 and 8 losses are all because Cutler hadn't fully learned the system? I think that's stupid.

In 2008, only 2 QBs made more than 600 pass attempts - Brees (635) and Cutler (616). Brees had nearly 500 more yards, 9 more TDs and 1 fewer INT on 19 more pass attempts. The Saints were also 8-8.

It was pointed out earlier that while Marshall had a fine season with over 100 receptions... he had some serious drops (18 on target I believe) and the only other threat was the rookie, both did well.

Why am I typing all this... because I think it's crazy to suggest that Cutler took so long to learn the system and that learning a new system will set him back. Yes, he has areas to work on, but he's a very nice talent to have and the current regime is doing their best to screw it up.

The Broncos issues the last few years are more than just the QB... I think the QB was far down the list on areas to fix. But, the new staff is learning early what to do and what not to do.

Good, well-thought out post, as usual. I tend to agree with everything you said. I think the problem with Cutler is he wants to be catered to and I don't believe disciples of BB's work in that manner. Cutler feels disrespected.

The one thorn in this, is Cutler's maturity level, if he let's this fester I can see him not backing down and getting very public with this. Cutler's maturity level could make this become a distraction. If McDaniels was smart, he would sit down with Cutler immediately and get this worked out and then come out with a public statement supporting his QB.

Mile High Mania
03-03-2009, 11:47 AM
Good, well-thought out post, as usual. I tend to agree with everything you said. I think the problem with Cutler is he wants to be catered to and I don't believe disciples of BB's work in that manner. Cutler feels disrespected.

The one thorn in this, is Cutler's maturity level, if he let's this fester I can see him not backing down and getting very public with this. Cutler's maturity level could make this become a distraction. If McDaniels was smart, he would sit down with Cutler immediately and get this worked out and then come out with a public statement supporting his QB.

Thanks and I agree... Cutler was drafted, viewed as and treated like the savior for Shanahan's legacy. There's no doubt there was a lot of warm and fuzzies there.

Yes, McD screwed this up and Cutler needs to man up and just let it go or this will fester and erupt. Bottom line, I do think this is a great life lesson for Cutler... it's a business and not every relationship is going to be "buddy buddy".

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 11:47 AM
ok did I actually read someone say sanchez has more potential than cutler? Wow this board has lost it's mind with the sanchez love. I was happy when we got cassel one for the chiefs two so the talk of us getting sanchez at the three would stop. But I get on here and there are still some of you who think sanchez is better than cassel and now cutler. Give me a break these guys have played in the NFL he hasn't. I can not wait to see the guy turn out not to be half as talented as these 2. Let him go to broncos then we get to see his suckage two times a year LOL. By the way the AFC west is starting to look winable next year I like :)

I said it.

And I don't "love" Sanchez.

I'm a well-known Cutler basher. Jay Cutler has all the physical tools, but he doesn't have the mindset to be a premier NFL QB. Reminds me of Jeff George.

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 11:53 AM
They're just answering the phone, there's nothing to it /bronco homers

They've been expecting a call from their grandmother, and they don't want it to go to voicemail.

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 11:54 AM
I said it.

And I don't "love" Sanchez.

I'm a well-known Cutler basher. Jay Cutler has all the physical tools, but he doesn't have the mindset to be a premier NFL QB. Reminds me of Jeff George.



What's wrong with Jeff George?

Mr. Krab
03-03-2009, 11:57 AM
I still wonder whether we shouldn't try and trade Cassel for the extra draft picks. If we can get a 1st and 3rd for Cassel, it might be worth it.

Mile High Mania
03-03-2009, 12:12 PM
I said it.

And I don't "love" Sanchez.

I'm a well-known Cutler basher. Jay Cutler has all the physical tools, but he doesn't have the mindset to be a premier NFL QB. Reminds me of Jeff George.

Wowzers... Cutler has some issues, but he's not JG level.

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 12:13 PM
I still wonder whether we shouldn't try and trade Cassel for the extra draft picks. If we can get a 1st and 3rd for Cassel, it might be worth it.

Not gonna happen.

But I'd do it in a heartbeat, if we could get that from Tampa.

#3 Stafford / Sanchez
#19 Cushing / Matthews?
3rd round - best WR/OL left on the board

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 12:22 PM
Wowzers... Cutler has some issues, but he's not JG level.

He reminds me of George, I don't think he IS George.

I just still have questions about whether or not Cutler has the mental makeup to take it to that "next level". He seems to me to be the kind of guy to rack up outrageous stats while never really winning anything of significance.

kysirsoze
03-03-2009, 12:24 PM
Wowzers... Cutler has some issues, but he's not JG level.

No kidding. That's low. I am praying the Donks deal him to MN so he's out of our conference altogether. The last thing I want is another great Bronco QB ripping my heart out at least once a year.

Plus he's got a stronger arm than #7!!;)

Von Dumbass
03-03-2009, 12:31 PM
McDaniels and Xanders report to Bowlen and Bowlen would never let Cutler get away. Bowlen wants to always field a winning team anything less than the playoffs is unacceptable to him.

Brock
03-03-2009, 12:33 PM
McDaniels and Xanders report to Bowlen and Bowlen would never let Cutler get away. Bowlen wants to always field a winning team anything less than the playoffs is unacceptable to him.

Bowlen is a drunken moron. He probably doesn't even know who the quarterback is.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 12:39 PM
No kidding. That's low. I am praying the Donks deal him to MN so he's out of our conference altogether. The last thing I want is another great Bronco QB ripping my heart out at least once a year.

Plus he's got a stronger arm than #7!!;)

#7 had the most moxy of any QB EVER.

Cutler couldn't even hold his jock.

ChiefGator
03-03-2009, 12:42 PM
I stopped reading at By Pete Prisco.

I stopped reading a couple years ago.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 12:48 PM
The story is gaining momentum...


Cutler To The Vikings? by Brandon Bohning (Scribe)

Breaking News
March 03, 2009
According to the most recent reports the Minnesota Vikings may be leading the rush to get Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos.

As you may recall, the Broncos were looking to sign Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots before they were beat to the punch by their hated rivals, the Kansas City Chiefs.

Jay Cutler gaffed at the fact that former New England coordinator, and new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, wanted to acquire a starting quarterback to replace him.

After losing the batter for Cassel, McDaniels assured the press (in an attempt to assure Cutler) that, "We don't want to trade Jay. We never did. He's our quarterback."

Really? Then why were you pursuing Cassel?

Cutler has a right to be mad. He was a Pro-Bowl selection after his performance last season. Granted, the Broncos only finished 8-8 and failed to make the playoffs, but Cutler's success at the QB position hasn't been seen in Denver since John Elway.

Find TicketsPowered by FanSnap.comMinnesota, on the other hand, just signed a new QB in Sage Rosenfels. He was brought in to provide some competition for Tarvaris Jackson for the starting job next season.

Getting Cutler makes sense for a couple of reasons. Unlike Rosenfels, he is young, and can fit well into a run-first system.

Cutler threw 25 touchdowns last year, but also threw 18 interceptions. Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor may quell Cutler's need to make plays down the field, resulting in fewer mistakes.

The Vikings and owner Zigi Wilf are looking to buy another big name, and as ESPN.com's NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert points out, "The Vikings, compared to other teams in the league, spend next to nothing on the quarterback position."

The Vikings came up short of signing T.J. Houshmanzadeh yesterday, so we know they are looking for a marquis player. The former Cincinnati WR signed a large contract with the Seattle Seahawks.

Sure the Vikings are weak at the WR position, but with a QB of Cutler's quality, the Vikings wouldn't be forced to go out and sign a big name WR to compliment Bernard Berrian.

Whether or not Cutler is going to be dealt remains to be seen, but one would have to think that the Vikings have plenty of leverage to sign him.

Minnesota is arguably a QB of Cutler's quality away from making a deep run in the playoffs. The next few days of the Cutler saga will be fun to watch, and I would think Minnesota fans will have their ears perked.

Von Dumbass
03-03-2009, 12:54 PM
The story is gaining momentum...


How is this story gaining momentum? It's been nothing but speculation for days now. Every article is using the same quotes that came out 4 or 5 days ago. Denver and Cutler have not said a word about it.

Goapics1
03-03-2009, 12:56 PM
How is this story gaining momentum? It's been nothing but speculation for days now. Every article is using the same quotes that came out 4 or 5 days ago. Denver and Cutler have not said a word about it.

Someone's panties getting bunched?

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 12:57 PM
How is this story gaining momentum? It's been nothing but speculation for days now. Every article is using the same quotes that came out 4 or 5 days ago. Denver and Cutler have not said a word about it.
Taken directly from the article...
"According to the most recent reports, the Minnesota Vikings may be leading the rush to get Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos."

Von Dumbass
03-03-2009, 01:02 PM
Taken directly from the article...
"According to the most recent reports, the Minnesota Vikings may be leading the rush to get Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos."

I'm sure they are trying to get Cutler but Denver has said that they are not trading him. Adam Schefter says Cutler is not on the trading block and the only way he will leave Denver is when Cutler's contract expires two years from now.... And then Denver will tag him... And then they will tag him again until. By the time Cutler becomes a free agent he will be 30 years old.:thumb:

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 01:25 PM
No kidding. That's low. I am praying the Donks deal him to MN so he's out of our conference altogether. The last thing I want is another great Bronco QB ripping my heart out at least once a year.

Plus he's got a stronger arm than #7!!;)

You know how you avoid that? You get someone better. And that's exactly what we're going to do.

Bowlen is a drunken moron. He probably doesn't even know who the quarterback is.
LMAO I never get tired of "Alkie Bowlen"; keep the dream alive!

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm sure they are trying to get Cutler but Denver has said that they are not trading him. Adam Schefter says Cutler is not on the trading block and the only way he will leave Denver is when Cutler's contract expires two years from now.... And then Denver will tag him... And then they will tag him again until. By the time Cutler becomes a free agent he will be 30 years old.:thumb:

Usually where there's smoke, there's fire...just saying...

Now there's reports that the Broncos are considering Brady Quinn + Shaun Rogers for Cutler...

Sure-Oz
03-03-2009, 01:36 PM
Usually where there's smoke, there's fire...just saying...

Now there's reports that the Broncos are considering Brady Quinn + Shaun Rogers for Cutler...

LMAO really

Von Dumbass
03-03-2009, 01:46 PM
Usually where there's smoke, there's fire...just saying...

Now there's reports that the Broncos are considering Brady Quinn + Shaun Rogers for Cutler...

That was a rumor made with ZERO sources whatsoever. Mike Florio started that one and even said he didn't talk to anyone from either team about that. He just thought it would fit.

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 01:51 PM
LMAO really

I can sense it; Alzheimers Davis will buy the Broncos so Bowlen can pay his bar tab, and then he'll move the team to Saskatchewan. :thumb: LMAO

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
If you guys want some entertainment, go watch all the infighting over at the OM.

Brock
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
That was a rumor made with ZERO sources whatsoever. Mike Florio started that one and even said he didn't talk to anyone from either team about that. He just thought it would fit.

/Iraqi information minister

BigRock
03-03-2009, 02:59 PM
/Iraqi information minister

Someone needs to make Baghdad Bob that guy's avatar. It's all he's been doing since the Cutler story came out.

ALL IS WELL
NOTHING TO SEE HERE

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 03:05 PM
Someone needs to make Baghdad Bob that guy's avatar. It's all he's been doing since the Cutler story came out.

ALL IS WELL
NOTHING TO SEE HERE

http://www.taluskie.com/officerBarbrady.gif

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 03:06 PM
http://www.taluskie.com/officerBarbrady.gif

LMAO Rep!

The_Doctor10
03-03-2009, 03:24 PM
Can LJ be thrown in there somewhere?

Out of a moving vehicle going over a bridge with a burlap sack over his head, if you're lucky...

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 03:50 PM
"Head Coach Josh McDaniels and Jay Cutler will meet next week when Cutler returns to Denver from Nashville.

"The Denver Broncos are not trading Jay Cutler. Period," said Broncos spokesman Patrick Smyth."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=8880

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 06:05 PM
"Head Coach Josh McDaniels and Jay Cutler will meet next week when Cutler returns to Denver from Nashville.

"The Denver Broncos are not trading Jay Cutler. Period," said Broncos spokesman Patrick Smyth."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=8880


Excellent! Oh, let it be true...

MagicHef
03-03-2009, 06:56 PM
If this is true, I am sorry for doubting/being mad at McDaniels.

Now this went down before the Broncos released their statement this afternoon. Anyhow, Sandy cited a "very trustworthy" NFL source that the original deal that the Broncos were discussing was with Detroit and New England, and Tampa jumped in with a proposal after it fell through. He posed a few scenarios but he "reported" the one Denver wanted but New England backed out of at the last second was:

Denver trades Jay Cutler, #48 pick (2nd round) and #79 (3rd round)
Detroit trades #1 pick (1st round) and #20 pick (1st round)
New England trades Matt Cassel

Denver receives Matt Cassel, #1 pick (1st round) and #20 pick (1st round)
Detroit receives Jay Cutler and #79 (3rd round)
New England receives #48 pick (2nd round)

I have no idea as to the credibility of Sandy Clough and his "sources" but if this was true - I don't blame the Broncos one bit for discussing it.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77888

Denver Dave
03-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Excellent! Oh, let it be true...

You want to face Cutler?

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 07:16 PM
You want to face Cutler?

It's not a matter of being afraid or unafraid to face Cutler, it's the stone-cold fact that the guy is just a walking sack of bad mojo, and exactly the kind of whiny douchebag I want on the roster of my biggest division rival.

Do I want to face Gay Butler? Yes. And often.

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 07:31 PM
If this is true, I am sorry for doubting/being mad at McDaniels.



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=77888

I highly doubt that rumor, but thats just me. Surely if NE is part of the trade and know that Det. is parting with the #20 pick they would have dibs.

el borracho
03-03-2009, 10:28 PM
"Denver trades Jay Cutler, #48 pick (2nd round) and #79 (3rd round)
Detroit trades #1 pick (1st round) and #20 pick (1st round)
New England trades Matt Cassel

Denver receives Matt Cassel, #1 pick (1st round) and #20 pick (1st round)
Detroit receives Jay Cutler and #79 (3rd round)
New England receives #48 pick (2nd round)"

I forget... is Millen still the GM in Detroit? "No." Oh, ok, then this must be complete shyte.

htismaqe
03-04-2009, 07:25 AM
It's not a matter of being afraid or unafraid to face Cutler, it's the stone-cold fact that the guy is just a walking sack of bad mojo, and exactly the kind of whiny douchebag I want on the roster of my biggest division rival.

Do I want to face Gay Butler? Yes. And often.

Bing-O.