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BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 12:59 PM
March 3, 2009, 1:45 pm est
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Clark Haggans is slated to visit the Chiefs, according to the Arizona Republic.Contract negotiations with the Cardinals have not gone well, and Haggans is going to see what the Chiefs have to offer. The Chiefs are in the market for an outside linebacker to pair with the newly acquired Mike Vrabel.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 01:05 PM
Damn, he was listed as a 3rd stringer for the Cards.

DeezNutz
03-03-2009, 01:06 PM
Who the fuck are these guys? /ML/

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 01:06 PM
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clark_Haggans&action=edit&section=2)] Professional career


[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clark_Haggans&action=edit&section=3)] Pittsburgh Steelers

The Steelers drafted Haggans out of the fifth round of the 2000 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft). He became a regular starter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_lineup) at left outside linebacker in 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season) when the team released long-time starter Jason Gildon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Gildon).
Haggans recorded six quarterback sacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback_sack) in 2004, and had nine sacks during the 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Pittsburgh_Steelers_season) regular season. Haggans was second on the Steelers defense in tackles for Super Bowl XL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL), and also recorded a sack, helping the Steelers defeat the Seattle Seahawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Seahawks). In 2008, Haggans became an unrestricted free agent.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clark_Haggans&action=edit&section=4)] Arizona Cardinals

On March 26, 2008, Haggans agreed to a one-year contract with the Arizona Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals).

talastan
03-03-2009, 01:06 PM
Camp fodder, or depth IMO. I seriously doubt that he'll be any kind of starter. At 32 I don't see him as anything but an extra body.

Goapics1
03-03-2009, 01:07 PM
Who the **** are these guys? /ML/

This

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 01:08 PM
Who the **** are these guys? /ML/

Welcome to the Patriots way. ;)

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 01:09 PM
Camp fodder, or depth IMO. I seriously doubt that he'll be any kind of starter. At 32 I don't see him as anything but an extra body.

The Patriots made a habit of making older LBs starters in their system.

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 01:09 PM
He's 6'4" 243. Placed on IR last year in December due to foot injury. Had to have both feet amputated in February but expected to make a full recovery. He' now listed as 5'11" 228

DaneMcCloud
03-03-2009, 01:09 PM
Camp fodder, or depth IMO. I seriously doubt that he'll be any kind of starter. At 32 I don't see him as anything but an extra body.

Don't be surprised to see a lot of "old" guys starting on that side of the ball.

The 2009 Draft is weak for defensive players and the Chiefs may focus soley on offense.

I expect there to a lot of old timers well versed in the 3-4 in 2009.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 01:12 PM
His age is older, but his years in the NFL aren't. He could have plenty of mileage left, enough to at least see what his price tag is.

DaneMcCloud
03-03-2009, 01:13 PM
His age is older, but his years in the NFL aren't. He could have plenty of mileage left, enough to at least see what his price tag is.

If his "pricetag" is one cent over the league minimum, he's asking too much.

J Diddy
03-03-2009, 01:14 PM
Who the **** are these guys? /ML/

They're still shitty.

Skip Towne
03-03-2009, 01:15 PM
The Cardinalsification of the Chiefs continues.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 01:15 PM
If his "pricetag" is one cent over the league minimum, he's asking too much.
His price tag IS over that, because he wasn't pleased with the Cards offer, so he hit the FA street.

KCrockaholic
03-03-2009, 01:16 PM
he would bring some nice depth, He could sit behind Aaron Curry and show him some moves.

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 01:16 PM
If his "pricetag" is one cent over the league minimum, he's asking too much.

If he takes up a roster spot he's asking too much!

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 01:17 PM
he would bring some nice depth, He could sit behind Aaron Curry and show him some moves.

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

RustShack
03-03-2009, 01:17 PM
he would bring some nice depth, He could sit behind Aaron Curry and show him some moves.

I don't think our coach would let him go to another team to show Curry some moves.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Don't be surprised to see a lot of "old" guys starting on that side of the ball.

The 2009 Draft is weak for defensive players and the Chiefs may focus soley on offense.

I expect there to a lot of old timers well versed in the 3-4 in 2009.

This.

If we sign Haggans, he will start.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:22 PM
he would bring some nice depth, He could sit behind Aaron Curry and show him some moves.

That is one of the best True Fanism's yet to date! :clap:

bkkcoh
03-03-2009, 01:31 PM
The Cardinalsification of the Chiefs continues.

They were on the sidelines at the superbowl, unfortunately they must have been doing something right to get there. :banghead::cuss:

HemiEd
03-03-2009, 01:37 PM
That is one of the best True Fanism's yet to date! :clap:

He should be flattered, receiving that praise from a "true genious" deciple like yourself.

stevieray
03-03-2009, 01:37 PM
That is one of the best True Fanism's yet to date! :clap:

hurrrrrrrrrrrr hurrrrrrrrrrrr... look at you..you're so much better than other Chiefs fans.

:rolleyes:

there is no doubt in my mind you're just waiting for a move that gives you a reason to be a whiny miserable prick throughout the offseason and regular season.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 01:39 PM
He should be flattered, receiving that praise from a "true genious" deciple like yourself.

To be fair, even if we do draft Curry, Haggans isn't likely going to show him anything because they will be playing two completely different positions.

nychief
03-03-2009, 01:42 PM
That is one of the best True Fanism's yet to date! :clap:


Yep. Considering depth is the true hallmark of "Fan" who "watches" the game.

I think it is safe to say that we need to revamp the entire LB corp... Rocky Boiman is an abortion, Pat Thomas too... CH is a vet, not sexy, but useful and a stop gap, like Roman Phifer, Lonnie Marts before him.

Micjones
03-03-2009, 01:48 PM
Meh...
Haggans is a middling LB at best.

He does have 3-4 experience though and can provide some leadership to younger guys.

beach tribe
03-03-2009, 01:49 PM
They're still shitty.

"Hey bartender JoBoo needs a refill."

speak24
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
:BLVD::popcorn:

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:55 PM
hurrrrrrrrrrrr hurrrrrrrrrrrr... look at you..you're so much better than other Chiefs fans.

:rolleyes:

there is no doubt in my mind you're just waiting for a move that gives you a reason to be a whiny miserable prick throughout the offseason and regular season.

Oh great, here comes the stevieray neg rep machine again....

:deevee:

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:57 PM
He should be flattered, receiving that praise from a "true genious" deciple like yourself.

Get all pissed off about ED, but there is nothing wrong with adding depth as a position we are very thin at anyway...

Call me a true genious or a non true fan, but we need LB's and people that can fill depth roles, or hell even start...

I think Spicy McHaggans will be a solid addition for a couple of years...

stevieray
03-03-2009, 01:58 PM
Oh great, here comes the stevieray neg rep machine again....

:deevee:



....awesome rebuttal.

:thumb:

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:58 PM
To be fair, even if we do draft Curry, Haggans isn't likely going to show him anything because they will be playing two completely different positions.

Regardless, it will give us some more bodies that will fill spots or provide depth...

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:58 PM
....awesome rebuttal.

:thumb:

:thumb:

Your welcome...

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 01:59 PM
FYI guys, I'm pretty sure Reerun's comments had nothing to do with Haggans and everything to do with the mention of us drafting Curry...

raybec 4
03-03-2009, 02:02 PM
Either way, if we are going to the 3-4 we need people capable of playing in that system. We only have 3 LB's on the roster right now with Donnie, Pat Thomas and Rocky gone.

Micjones
03-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Either way, if we are going to the 3-4 we need people capable of playing in that system. We only have 3 LB's on the roster right now with Donnie, Pat Thomas and Rocky gone.

It's a culture change so we'll definitely need people who have experience in the new system.

There are still going to be plenty of young guys who'll need some guidance.

MOhillbilly
03-03-2009, 02:07 PM
19 tkls in 11 games.

stevieray
03-03-2009, 02:08 PM
:thumb:

Your welcome...

for what?

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:09 PM
FYI guys, I'm pretty sure Reerun's comments had nothing to do with Haggans and everything to do with the mention of us drafting Curry...

Actually it had nothing to do with Curry, it was the line itself... But people have to have something to bitch about, or bitch about something someone else is bitching about to be happy...

The line "He could sit behind (insert random player name) and show him some moves".

StevieRay is just looking for anything I say that he doesnt like, so he can call me out or something...


Its all good Parker, no big deal....

doomy3
03-03-2009, 02:12 PM
Actually it had nothing to do with Curry, it was the line itself... But people have to have something to bitch about, or bitch about something someone else is bitching about to be happy...

The line "He could sit behind (insert random player name) and show him some moves".

StevieRay is just looking for anything I say that he doesnt like, so he can call me out or something...


Its all good Parker, no big deal....


LMAOLMAO

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:13 PM
LMAOLMAO

:LOL:

Without it, Chiefsplanet wouldnt exist....

Kind of like you with Mecca....

MadMax
03-03-2009, 02:13 PM
He's 6'4" 243. Placed on IR last year in December due to foot injury. Had to have both feet amputated in February but expected to make a full recovery. He' now listed as 5'11" 228




ROFLROFLROFL

doomy3
03-03-2009, 02:15 PM
:LOL:

Without it, Chiefsplanet wouldnt exist....

Kind of like you with Mecca....

Like most of your posts, this one also doesn't make any kind of sense.

Blick
03-03-2009, 02:22 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh and he knows the 3-4. Plus, we need bodies at LB. This wouldn't be a terrible addition.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:25 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh and he knows the 3-4. Plus, we need bodies at LB. This wouldn't be a terrible addition.

Agree... Welcome to the board!

stevieray
03-03-2009, 02:26 PM
StevieRay is just looking for anything I say that he doesnt like, so he can call me out or something...




look at the true fans!


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-03-2009, 02:27 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh half a decade ago.

He's a stiff.

If we keep bringing in OLB like Haggans and Vrabel, tight ends and backs are going to set receiving records against us, and off tackle plays will average 8 yards a pop.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:29 PM
look at the true fans!


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ROFL


Where?

RedThat
03-03-2009, 02:33 PM
I think this would be a good signing. It adds another veteran to the team, and won't come in at a costly expense. Hes got the experience to play in a 3-4, was very GOOD at playing OLB in a 3-4 for Pittsburgh.

I simply didn't think he was a good fit in a 4-3 with Arizona.

stevieray
03-03-2009, 02:35 PM
Pioli warned us that if we were looking for big names, we'd be disappointed..they want smart football players...

DeezNutz
03-03-2009, 02:36 PM
As opposed to the stupid ones that all other teams covet.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:37 PM
Pioli warned us that if we were looking for big names, we'd be disappointed..they want smart football players...

True and right now we need talent at just about every spot... Big names mean nothing at this point... We need football players and lots of them...

stevieray
03-03-2009, 02:39 PM
As opposed to the stupid ones that all other teams covet.

what is the saying..the game is 90% mental?

Blick
03-03-2009, 02:40 PM
Agree... Welcome to the board!

Thanks...Go Hawks!:thumb:

RedThat
03-03-2009, 02:40 PM
Pioli warned us that if we were looking for big names, we'd be disappointed..they want smart football players...

And they want the "right" guys that fit in with the system they're going to run here.

Pioli's a smart guy. I trust.

He said, it's not about the best 53 players. It's about the right 53 players.

stevieray
03-03-2009, 02:41 PM
And they want the "right" guys that fit in with the system they're going to run here.

Pioli's a smart guy. I trust.

He said, it's not about the best 53 players. It's about the right 53 players.


yup.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 02:41 PM
And they want the "right" guys that fit in with the system they're going to run here.

Pioli's a smart guy. I trust.

He said, it's not about the best 53 players. It's about the right 53 players.

I am thrilled and cant wait until next year...

Blick
03-03-2009, 02:42 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh half a decade ago.

He's a stiff.

If we keep bringing in OLB like Haggans and Vrabel, tight ends and backs are going to set receiving records against us, and off tackle plays will average 8 yards a pop.

Would you rather have Tamba Hali playing OLB?

kcchiefsus
03-03-2009, 02:43 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh half a decade ago.

He's a stiff.

If we keep bringing in OLB like Haggans and Vrabel, tight ends and backs are going to set receiving records against us, and off tackle plays will average 8 yards a pop.

They already set records against us. We set a team record for points given up, we can't be much worse.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 03:18 PM
hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You need to copyright this.

TommyHawk69
03-03-2009, 03:20 PM
He was solid in Pittsburgh half a decade ago.

He's a stiff.

If we keep bringing in OLB like Haggans and Vrabel, tight ends and backs are going to set receiving records against us, and off tackle plays will average 8 yards a pop.

Wow so glad you understand the philosophy of the 3-4

DJJasonp
03-03-2009, 03:22 PM
Pioli warned us that if we were looking for big names, we'd be disappointed..they want smart football players...

You know...gotta agree with this. Speed kills...but so does stupidity. How many times have we seen our LB's the past 7 years not be in the right place or in the right position to make a play?

A lot of playing LB is smarts......recognizing formations...being in the right position to make a play.

I'm for any move that makes us a better football team....and until we've seen the stats after next year or the year after that.....in pioli we trust!

ChiefRon
03-03-2009, 03:36 PM
You know...gotta agree with this. Speed kills...but so does stupidity. How many times have we seen our LB's the past 7 years not be in the right place or in the right position to make a play?

A lot of playing LB is smarts......recognizing formations...being in the right position to make a play.

I'm for any move that makes us a better football team....and until we've seen the stats after next year or the year after that.....in pioli we trust!

And how often did we see the Pats sign an aging player and get solid contributions, albeit maybe not elite contributions? It's all about the system, not this player or that player.

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 04:00 PM
I don't think our coach would let him go to another team to show Curry some moves.

:LOL:LMAO Beautiful. Rep!

HemiEd
03-03-2009, 04:40 PM
And how often did we see the Pats sign an aging player and get solid contributions, albeit maybe not elite contributions? It's all about the system, not this player or that player.

So are you saying WISDOM may be an asset playing linebacker? Now, if we could only figure out how to make a 4th round draft choice, under 23, wise. Hmmm, then everyone would be happy. True Genious's and True Fans will all get their cake and eat it too.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-03-2009, 05:10 PM
Wow so glad you understand the philosophy of the 3-4

Having two linebackers whose time from sideline to sideline could be timed with a sundial is a hell of a problem. OLBs don't rush every play. They have some coverage responsibility.

Skip Towne
03-03-2009, 05:25 PM
StevieRay is just looking for anything I say that he doesnt like, so he can call me out or something...


Its all good Parker, no big deal....

So am I.

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 06:58 PM
Having two linebackers whose time from sideline to sideline could be timed with a sundial is a hell of a problem. OLBs don't rush every play. They have some coverage responsibility.

LMAO But...but...it gives Demonpenz a chance to use the sundial on not one, but TWO players for his illustrated playbook! LMAO

thurman merman
03-03-2009, 07:23 PM
i know a few steelers fans, and they loved this guy when he was with pittsburgh. i don't know how well he did in arizona though.

HemiEd
03-03-2009, 10:36 PM
To be fair, even if we do draft Curry, Haggans isn't likely going to show him anything because they will be playing two completely different positions.
Yep, but you know what I was referring to. :D

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 10:39 PM
Wow so glad you understand the philosophy of the 3-4

I sure don't. I know the outside guys are bigger, and more apt to rush the QB, but as far as the MLBs and the OLBs that don't blitz, I don't get the difference.

When it comes to your ILBs, do they need to be more physical than a Mike? More run-stopping? Are they expected to keep up with TEs in man coverage, cause I thought that was the SS's job. Do they usually clog up the center, or is it more important for them to be able to pass protect?

If someone wants to link me up something to explain the 3-4 better, I know I would appreciate it.

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 10:49 PM
Haggans was damn good in Pittsburgh...but all of those guys are expendable in that system...see Kendrell Bell.

DaneMcCloud
03-03-2009, 11:20 PM
Haggans was damn good in Pittsburgh...but all of those guys are expendable in that system...see Kendrell Bell.

Huh?

2001: 20 tackles
2002: 37 tackles
2003: 28 tackles
2004: 37 tackles
2005: 59 tackles
2006: 76 tackles
2007: 58 tackles
2008: 19 tackles (Arizona)

How in the fucking world can these numbers be considered "Damn Good"?

Damn Good?

For what? A backup player? A special teamer who plays a few series?

WTF?

Darth CarlSatan
03-03-2009, 11:26 PM
Huh?

2001: 20 tackles
2002: 37 tackles
2003: 28 tackles
2004: 37 tackles
2005: 59 tackles
2006: 76 tackles
2007: 58 tackles
2008: 19 tackles (Arizona)

How in the fucking world can these numbers be considered "Damn Good"?

Damn Good?

For what? A backup player? A special teamer who plays a few series?

WTF?

I sense a disturbance; you're angering Spit Bubble...;)

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 11:37 PM
Huh?

2001: 20 tackles
2002: 37 tackles
2003: 28 tackles
2004: 37 tackles
2005: 59 tackles
2006: 76 tackles
2007: 58 tackles
2008: 19 tackles (Arizona)

How in the ****ing world can these numbers be considered "Damn Good"?

Damn Good?

For what? A backup player? A special teamer who plays a few series?

WTF?

You're telling me his numbers in Pittsburgh weren't good numbers?

el borracho
03-03-2009, 11:39 PM
He's 6'4" 243. Placed on IR last year in December due to foot injury. Had to have both feet amputated in February but expected to make a full recovery. He' now listed as 5'11" 228

Dude, your math is all wrong.

6 feet 4 - 2 feet = 4 feet 4. Duh.

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 11:41 PM
Haggans got to the passer...and was usually always healthy...for a minimum contract I think he'd be a solid addition to our 3-4.

DaneMcCloud
03-03-2009, 11:46 PM
You're telling me his numbers in Pittsburgh weren't good numbers?

Are you smokin' crack?

20 tackles? 28 tackles? 37 tackles?

That's GOOD to you?

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 11:51 PM
Are you smokin' crack?

20 tackles? 28 tackles? 37 tackles?

That's GOOD to you?

I'd say he had 3 real good years in Pittsburgh...he was healthy every season...he had 9 sacks one season...he's a good piece on a 3-4 defense...especially considering a low price tag.

I'll take a guy with 3-4 experience and a cheap price tag any day of the week...especially a guy who isn't injury prone...look at his sack numbers...he's a good role player...certainly. I'm not sure what happened to him last year...I'd have to read up on that...I just remember him being a good player in Pittsburgh.

el borracho
03-03-2009, 11:56 PM
We really need a new, talentless fan-favorite this offseason to fill the void left by former offseason greats like Rich Scanlon and Boomer Grigsby. Maybe, just maybe, Haggans can step in to the role.

"Speed? Who needs speed when you can tackle a man from twenty yards just by hating him!"

Short Leash Hootie
03-04-2009, 12:30 AM
We really need a new, talentless fan-favorite this offseason to fill the void left by former offseason greats like Rich Scanlon and Boomer Grigsby. Maybe, just maybe, Haggans can step in to the role.

"Speed? Who needs speed when you can tackle a man from twenty yards just by hating him!"

Scanlon and Grigsby don't have 34 career sacks...

Not a big number, but not bad for a guy we could get for peanuts.

TommyHawk69
03-04-2009, 06:45 AM
Having two linebackers whose time from sideline to sideline could be timed with a sundial is a hell of a problem. OLBs don't rush every play. They have some coverage responsibility.

In the 3-4 one or the other outside linebacker is rushing the quarterback almost 90% of the time. Most of their pass coverage is out in the flats. Their main responsability against the run is to be strong at the point. If they do that middle backers chase the play to the sideline. Outside backers in 3-4 are not sideline to sideline players.

ILChief
03-04-2009, 06:47 AM
not everyone is signed to be a starter. Maybe he would be the backup for Vrabel.

Mecca
03-04-2009, 06:49 AM
In the 3-4 one or the other outside linebacker is rushing the quarterback almost 90% of the time. Most of their pass coverage is out in the flats. Their main responsability against the run is to be strong at the point. If they do that middle backers chase the play to the sideline. Outside backers in 3-4 are not sideline to sideline players.

They both don't rush every play which means they both at some point or another have coverage responsibility.

If neither one is good at it teams are going to target you with receiving backs and TE's...

ILChief
03-04-2009, 06:51 AM
Welcome to the Patriots way. ;)

Trust the man

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6b/20070104140426%21Patriots_Superbowl_Trophies.jpg

Mecca
03-04-2009, 06:52 AM
This first year isn't going to be all that much fun guys like Clark Haggans are going to play because we are changing into a scheme we have no players for.

TommyHawk69
03-04-2009, 07:02 AM
I sure don't. I know the outside guys are bigger, and more apt to rush the QB, but as far as the MLBs and the OLBs that don't blitz, I don't get the difference.

When it comes to your ILBs, do they need to be more physical than a Mike? More run-stopping? Are they expected to keep up with TEs in man coverage, cause I thought that was the SS's job. Do they usually clog up the center, or is it more important for them to be able to pass protect?

If someone wants to link me up something to explain the 3-4 better, I know I would appreciate it.

The general philosophy of the 3-4 is to confuse the offensive line by them not knowing which LB is coming on passing downs. On running downs you have five guys close to the line of scrimmage(more than 4 in a 4-3). The requiremnets are as follows a big nose tackle, someone who can eat up blockers(preferably two). Big DEs to be strong at the point and hard to move. This is to free up the MLBs to be able to flow to the ball. MLB are usually strong against the run and the pass. If we draft Aaron Curry he would be a MLB in 3-4 along with Derrick Johnson. The outside backers control the outside on there side of the field and try to turn everything back to the inside for the pursuit to catch up to. Most of their pass coverage is in the flats or hook zones. They need to be able to rush the passer and be good in space. The secondary is the same.

Mecca
03-04-2009, 07:14 AM
The general philosophy of the 3-4 is to confuse the offensive line by them not knowing which LB is coming on passing downs. On running downs you have five guys close to the line of scrimmage(more than 4 in a 4-3). The requiremnets are as follows a big nose tackle, someone who can eat up blockers(preferably two). Big DEs to be strong at the point and hard to move. This is to free up the MLBs to be able to flow to the ball. MLB are usually strong against the run and the pass. If we draft Aaron Curry he would be a MLB in 3-4 along with Derrick Johnson. The outside backers control the outside on there side of the field and try to turn everything back to the inside for the pursuit to catch up to. Most of their pass coverage is in the flats or hook zones. They need to be able to rush the passer and be good in space. The secondary is the same.

Thank god atleast someone that likes Curry realizes what he is in the scheme, that's all I ask from people.

Although Derrick Johnson being strong against the run makes me laugh I admit.

TommyHawk69
03-04-2009, 07:47 AM
Thank god atleast someone that likes Curry realizes what he is in the scheme, that's all I ask from people.

Although Derrick Johnson being strong against the run makes me laugh I admit.

Exactly he is an outside backer in 4-3 inside in 3-4.

Chiefless
03-04-2009, 08:03 AM
"Speed? Who needs speed when you can tackle a man from twenty yards just by hating him!"

So you're saying he's a linebacker in the Chuck Norris mold?

htismaqe
03-04-2009, 08:14 AM
Haggans and Vrabel MAY just play the exact same position. If they platoon on one side, we'll need a full-time starter on the other...

TheGuardian
03-04-2009, 08:19 AM
Huh?

2001: 20 tackles
2002: 37 tackles
2003: 28 tackles
2004: 37 tackles
2005: 59 tackles
2006: 76 tackles
2007: 58 tackles
2008: 19 tackles (Arizona)

How in the ****ing world can these numbers be considered "Damn Good"?

Damn Good?

For what? A backup player? A special teamer who plays a few series?

WTF?

Ok new poster here but lurked for quite a while.

I gotta say I laugh at some of the responses here from time to time. Stuff like this.

A little background -

I played linebacker for a LONG time (although it's been a while). Did two years of JUCO and was all conference before I decided to get married and then went into the military. Played in semi pro league's for a few years then had a chance to play Arena ball but turned it down (and I'm glad I did now obviously).

Can anyone tell me whose stats there are in terms of tackles?


18
59
88
65
53
56
55
65
47


Probably some scrub right? Some backup special teams player right? Wrong. It's Joey Porter. Who was playing outside linebacker in Pitt in a 30 front then went on to do it in Miami as well. What about this guy?


75
63
79
67
43
65
48
47
28
33
53


This guy must have been a piss poor player! Look at those crappy tackle numbers! Oh wait, they just inducted him into the HoF. It's our own Derrick Thomas.

Looking at tackle stats is about as meaningless as it can get when talking about outside linebackers in a 30 front. Depending on what side the linebacker was playing on, he would have been asking to do different things. Porter played primarily ROLB during Haggan's years in Pittsburgh, predominantly the weakside, so he saw more pass rushing opportunities. Haggan's was a dirty-work guy, had to set the edge, anchor against the tight end, then make the most of his big plays when he got a chance. Think Wayne Simmons back in the day when he was asked to play over the tight end, kick the crap out of them, and use contain to force back inside.

Haggan's would be a nice addition to the Chiefs who right now have the worst front 7 in all of football IMO. ANYONE added is an upgrade. I don't care if they were brought out of retirement. Junior Seau would start on this squad right now at almost 40, and be an upgrade. I think some of you have some really strange colored glasses on. People ran on us at will last year, and we set a record for the fewest sacks ever. And people are talking about "sideline to sideline" speed? WTF? Where are you going to get these badass fast flowing linebackers that are young and playing at a pro bowl level? I'm sorry I don't remember seeing any of them in free agency? Did some of you pull them out of your ass? It appears that way.

Neither Demorrio Williams nor Derrick Johnson are slow. All that speed didn't help them too much when they didn't understand how to fit into their gaps, took bad angles on ball carries, tackled poorly, and misread alignments did it?

Some of you here just bitch but don't really understand what you're talking about. Clark Haggans and Vrabel while in the twilight of their careers, are better players right now than Derrick Johnson and anyone else on the roster that plays linebacker. Because they don't take 3 wrong steps at the snap of the ball. It's why Ray Lewis is still dominating even though he's obviously lost a step. He doesn't need to be as fast as he used to be to play at a high level, because he can stack-and-shed and get off his block and get to the ball carrier faster than the guy next to him that runs some 4.4 but can't read the play as fast as Ray can.

Anyway that's my initial contribution. I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers but that's never bothered me before. :D

Chiefless
03-04-2009, 08:32 AM
Ok new poster here but lurked for quite a while.

I gotta say I laugh at some of the responses here from time to time. Stuff like this.

A little background -

I played linebacker for a LONG time (although it's been a while). Did two years of JUCO and was all conference before I decided to get married and then went into the military. Played in semi pro league's for a few years then had a chance to play Arena ball but turned it down (and I'm glad I did now obviously).

Can anyone tell me whose stats there are in terms of tackles?



Probably some scrub right? Some backup special teams player right? Wrong. It's Joey Porter. Who was playing outside linebacker in Pitt in a 30 front then went on to do it in Miami as well. What about this guy?



This guy must have been a piss poor player! Look at those crappy tackle numbers! Oh wait, they just inducted him into the HoF. It's our own Derrick Thomas.

Looking at tackle stats is about as meaningless as it can get when talking about outside linebackers in a 30 front. Depending on what side the linebacker was playing on, he would have been asking to do different things. Porter played primarily ROLB during Haggan's years in Pittsburgh, predominantly the weakside, so he saw more pass rushing opportunities. Haggan's was a dirty-work guy, had to set the edge, anchor against the tight end, then make the most of his big plays when he got a chance. Think Wayne Simmons back in the day when he was asked to play over the tight end, kick the crap out of them, and use contain to force back inside.

Haggan's would be a nice addition to the Chiefs who right now have the worst front 7 in all of football IMO. ANYONE added is an upgrade. I don't care if they were brought out of retirement. Junior Seau would start on this squad right now at almost 40, and be an upgrade. I think some of you have some really strange colored glasses on. People ran on us at will last year, and we set a record for the fewest sacks ever. And people are talking about "sideline to sideline" speed? WTF? Where are you going to get these badass fast flowing linebackers that are young and playing at a pro bowl level? I'm sorry I don't remember seeing any of them in free agency? Did some of you pull them out of your ass? It appears that way.

Neither Demorrio Williams nor Derrick Johnson are slow. All that speed didn't help them too much when they didn't understand how to fit into their gaps, took bad angles on ball carries, tackled poorly, and misread alignments did it?

Some of you here just bitch but don't really understand what you're talking about. Clark Haggans and Vrabel while in the twilight of their careers, are better players right now than Derrick Johnson and anyone else on the roster that plays linebacker. Because they don't take 3 wrong steps at the snap of the ball. It's why Ray Lewis is still dominating even though he's obviously lost a step. He doesn't need to be as fast as he used to be to play at a high level, because he can stack-and-shed and get off his block and get to the ball carrier faster than the guy next to him that runs some 4.4 but can't read the play as fast as Ray can.

Anyway that's my initial contribution. I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers but that's never bothered me before. :D

Nice

DaFace
03-04-2009, 09:29 AM
Ok new poster here but lurked for quite a while...

Nice post n00b. Welcome.

Reerun_KC
03-04-2009, 09:32 AM
Very informative post TheGuardian! Thanks n00b!

nychief
03-04-2009, 09:35 AM
The Guardian makes great points.

Remember Mike MaSLOWski had the chiefs tackle record a few years back - and he was no great shakes.

Coogs
03-04-2009, 09:37 AM
Neither Demorrio Williams nor Derrick Johnson are slow. All that speed didn't help them too much when they didn't understand how to fit into their gaps, took bad angles on ball carries, tackled poorly, and misread alignments did it?

This can not be correct! We had one of the greatest DC's of all time, who was one and the same greatest LB coach of all time in Gun. Didn't understand? Bad angles? Poor tacklers? Misread alignments? This can not be right! :sulk:

Oh! Good luck with this Detroit!

Reerun_KC
03-04-2009, 09:42 AM
The Guardian makes great points.

Remember Mike MaSLOWski had the chiefs tackle record a few years back - and he was no great shakes.

Only problem with Slowski, is that most of his takles were downfield 5-8 years past LOS....


He lead the team in tackles, but never tackles for a loss... He wasnt a game changer, just a fan favorite....

htismaqe
03-04-2009, 10:21 AM
Wow, the Guardian shows up out of nowhere with the knowledge! Awesome!

milkman
03-04-2009, 10:22 AM
It's cool when a n00b isn't a dumbass, ain't it?

OnTheWarpath58
03-04-2009, 10:30 AM
It's cool when a n00b isn't a dumbass, ain't it?

It's like seeing a total solar eclipse and winning the lottery on the same day.

The rarest of the rare.

DeezNutz
03-04-2009, 10:31 AM
It's cool when a n00b isn't a dumbass, ain't it?

Fucking surprising, too.

If he stopped posting now, he'd probably lock up n00b of the year.

Comanche
03-04-2009, 10:35 AM
"don't really understand what you're talking about."
When it comes to LBs, I'll admit I'm probably one of THOSE guys!.
:LOL:

a chance to play Arena ball but turned it down (and I'm glad I did now obviously).
Why is it so "obvious". It seems that even a short time in Arena would be better than nothing at all? :hmmm:


Ok new poster here but lurked for quite a while.

I gotta say I laugh at some of the responses here from time to time. Stuff like this.

A little background -

I played linebacker for a LONG time (although it's been a while). Did two years of JUCO and was all conference before I decided to get married and then went into the military. Played in semi pro league's for a few years then had a chance to play Arena ball but turned it down (and I'm glad I did now obviously).

Can anyone tell me whose stats there are in terms of tackles?



Probably some scrub right? Some backup special teams player right? Wrong. It's Joey Porter. Who was playing outside linebacker in Pitt in a 30 front then went on to do it in Miami as well. What about this guy?



This guy must have been a piss poor player! Look at those crappy tackle numbers! Oh wait, they just inducted him into the HoF. It's our own Derrick Thomas.

Looking at tackle stats is about as meaningless as it can get when talking about outside linebackers in a 30 front. Depending on what side the linebacker was playing on, he would have been asking to do different things. Porter played primarily ROLB during Haggan's years in Pittsburgh, predominantly the weakside, so he saw more pass rushing opportunities. Haggan's was a dirty-work guy, had to set the edge, anchor against the tight end, then make the most of his big plays when he got a chance. Think Wayne Simmons back in the day when he was asked to play over the tight end, kick the crap out of them, and use contain to force back inside.

Haggan's would be a nice addition to the Chiefs who right now have the worst front 7 in all of football IMO. ANYONE added is an upgrade. I don't care if they were brought out of retirement. Junior Seau would start on this squad right now at almost 40, and be an upgrade. I think some of you have some really strange colored glasses on. People ran on us at will last year, and we set a record for the fewest sacks ever. And people are talking about "sideline to sideline" speed? WTF? Where are you going to get these badass fast flowing linebackers that are young and playing at a pro bowl level? I'm sorry I don't remember seeing any of them in free agency? Did some of you pull them out of your ass? It appears that way.

Neither Demorrio Williams nor Derrick Johnson are slow. All that speed didn't help them too much when they didn't understand how to fit into their gaps, took bad angles on ball carries, tackled poorly, and misread alignments did it?

Some of you here just bitch but don't really understand what you're talking about. Clark Haggans and Vrabel while in the twilight of their careers, are better players right now than Derrick Johnson and anyone else on the roster that plays linebacker. Because they don't take 3 wrong steps at the snap of the ball. It's why Ray Lewis is still dominating even though he's obviously lost a step. He doesn't need to be as fast as he used to be to play at a high level, because he can stack-and-shed and get off his block and get to the ball carrier faster than the guy next to him that runs some 4.4 but can't read the play as fast as Ray can.

Anyway that's my initial contribution. I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers but that's never bothered me before. :D

Micjones
03-04-2009, 10:56 AM
Wow...

Guardian really came with it.
Welcome to the forum. We need more posters like you.

Dave Lane
03-04-2009, 11:07 AM
Oh great, here comes the stevieray neg rep machine again....

:deevee:

Should we start a club? I'd imagine the average IQ is about 180 per person.

Dave

beach tribe
03-04-2009, 11:17 AM
Ok new poster here but lurked for quite a while.

I gotta say I laugh at some of the responses here from time to time. Stuff like this.

A little background -

I played linebacker for a LONG time (although it's been a while). Did two years of JUCO and was all conference before I decided to get married and then went into the military. Played in semi pro league's for a few years then had a chance to play Arena ball but turned it down (and I'm glad I did now obviously).

Can anyone tell me whose stats there are in terms of tackles?



Probably some scrub right? Some backup special teams player right? Wrong. It's Joey Porter. Who was playing outside linebacker in Pitt in a 30 front then went on to do it in Miami as well. What about this guy?



This guy must have been a piss poor player! Look at those crappy tackle numbers! Oh wait, they just inducted him into the HoF. It's our own Derrick Thomas.

Looking at tackle stats is about as meaningless as it can get when talking about outside linebackers in a 30 front. Depending on what side the linebacker was playing on, he would have been asking to do different things. Porter played primarily ROLB during Haggan's years in Pittsburgh, predominantly the weakside, so he saw more pass rushing opportunities. Haggan's was a dirty-work guy, had to set the edge, anchor against the tight end, then make the most of his big plays when he got a chance. Think Wayne Simmons back in the day when he was asked to play over the tight end, kick the crap out of them, and use contain to force back inside.

Haggan's would be a nice addition to the Chiefs who right now have the worst front 7 in all of football IMO. ANYONE added is an upgrade. I don't care if they were brought out of retirement. Junior Seau would start on this squad right now at almost 40, and be an upgrade. I think some of you have some really strange colored glasses on. People ran on us at will last year, and we set a record for the fewest sacks ever. And people are talking about "sideline to sideline" speed? WTF? Where are you going to get these badass fast flowing linebackers that are young and playing at a pro bowl level? I'm sorry I don't remember seeing any of them in free agency? Did some of you pull them out of your ass? It appears that way.

Neither Demorrio Williams nor Derrick Johnson are slow. All that speed didn't help them too much when they didn't understand how to fit into their gaps, took bad angles on ball carries, tackled poorly, and misread alignments did it?

Some of you here just bitch but don't really understand what you're talking about. Clark Haggans and Vrabel while in the twilight of their careers, are better players right now than Derrick Johnson and anyone else on the roster that plays linebacker. Because they don't take 3 wrong steps at the snap of the ball. It's why Ray Lewis is still dominating even though he's obviously lost a step. He doesn't need to be as fast as he used to be to play at a high level, because he can stack-and-shed and get off his block and get to the ball carrier faster than the guy next to him that runs some 4.4 but can't read the play as fast as Ray can.

Anyway that's my initial contribution. I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers but that's never bothered me before. :D

Isn't this the part where Dane shows his superior knowledge by insulting someone with such frequent classics as "dumbfuck" or "moron".

Haggans is another vet who has played well for a successful franchise. He would be a good acquisition for us right now.

StcChief
03-04-2009, 11:21 AM
He's 6'4" 243. Placed on IR last year in December due to foot injury. Had to have both feet amputated in February but expected to make a full recovery. He' now listed as 5'11" 228
HF :cuss: I just spit coffee....
LMAO

Hog Farmer
03-04-2009, 11:22 AM
Post again!

Post Again!

Reerun_KC
03-04-2009, 11:26 AM
Isn't this the part where Dane shows his superior knowledge by insulting someone with such frequent classics as "dumb****" or "moron".

Haggans is another vet who has played well for a successful franchise. He would be a good acquisition for us right now.

I doubt it, Dane is a solid poster, a bit brash at times in his tactics, but over all a good guy....

Reerun_KC
03-04-2009, 11:27 AM
Should we start a club? I'd imagine the average IQ is about 180 per person.

Dave

Maybe we should have an IQ test on the board? Would be interesting to see how dumb I really am...:doh!:

Reerun_KC
03-04-2009, 11:28 AM
Wow...

Guardian really came with it.
Welcome to the forum. We need more posters like you.

Yes I would like to place an order? One Spicy McHaggans please!

HemiEd
03-04-2009, 11:40 AM
Great post Guardian! So knowledge and wisdom does have some value, imagine that!

StcChief
03-04-2009, 11:43 AM
Post again!

Post Again! LOL I'm empty now.... I should be more Leary when reading here.

this guys sounds like a good fit to shore up our toothless D.

Darth CarlSatan
03-04-2009, 11:49 AM
So basically, Guardian, what you're saying is, "Gunther was a monumental fuck face who did NOT excel at teaching fundamentals, and his old buddy "Gasbag" Krumrie was a fantastic bullhorn, but full of bullshit"?

I wholeheartedly agree. And Rep.

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Anyway that's my initial contribution. I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers but that's never bothered me before. :D

Great post and thanks for the contribution.

If you'll note earlier in the thread, I am all for guys like Clark Haggans and expect to see many like him as the Chiefs transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4.

My point was directed at Hootie, who claimed that Haggans was "great" in Pittsburgh, not that Haggans was/is a poor linebacker.

Stats of course do not tell the entire but I'd hardly compare Haggans to a HOFer or Joey Porter.

Welcome!

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2009, 11:54 AM
Isn't this the part where Dane shows his superior knowledge by insulting someone with such frequent classics as "dumbfuck" or "moron".

Haggans is another vet who has played well for a successful franchise. He would be a good acquisition for us right now.

No, this is the point where Dane recognizes and appreciates forum members that truly add to the conversation, instead of taking away from it.

Darth CarlSatan
03-04-2009, 11:54 AM
Zing-a-Roo!

milkman
03-04-2009, 12:12 PM
No, this is the point where Dane recognizes and appreciates forum members that truly add to the conversation, instead of taking away from it.

Troublemaker.

CupidStunt
03-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Haggans' arm isn't strong enough.

BUST

DaneMcCloud
03-04-2009, 12:17 PM
Troublemaker.

:D

Darth CarlSatan
03-04-2009, 12:22 PM
Haggans' arm isn't strong enough.

BUST

LMAO

Blick
03-04-2009, 04:48 PM
Awesome post by TheGuardian. Well said, man. Well said.