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Frankie
03-03-2009, 12:21 PM
I think he will be below expectations.

My reaction will be, "The glass is at least half full. I think he will be good in 2010 after the roster and his protection improves more."

My prediction of the PCers' reaction (90%+):

"HE IS A BUST. PIOLI IS BELICHECK'S BITCH. CUT CASSEL!!!! :cuss:" LMAO

Buck
03-03-2009, 12:22 PM
I think the Chiefs will win 9 games and be 2nd in the AFC West.

RustShack
03-03-2009, 12:23 PM
2,436 yards, 18 TD's 16 INT's. 58.6% 76.3 passer rating.

BigChiefFan
03-03-2009, 12:26 PM
It's hard to predict without seeing a full roster, but I'll say 24 TDs to 11 Ints

Pestilence
03-03-2009, 12:27 PM
22 TDs 16 INTS
2800 yards

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 12:27 PM
I think he takes a hit from Pollard in Spring Training and Goes IR for the year.

Thigpen leads us to 11-5 AFC championship. We Franchise Thigpen and trade him and Derrick Johnson to the Patriots for their 2nd round pick.

Hog Farmer
03-03-2009, 12:28 PM
I think the Chiefs will win 9 games and be 2nd in the AFC West.

No way the Broncos have a better record than us !

kysirsoze
03-03-2009, 12:32 PM
He will lead us to an undefeated SB victory and I will fall so in love with Matt Cassell that I begin stalking him, culminating in a gruesome murder suicide.

Thiggy QOTF!!!

Baconeater
03-03-2009, 12:33 PM
MOTHERFUCKING SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 12:40 PM
MOTHER****ING SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!

Is your avatar the last scene from Dirty Mary, crazy Larry?

Anyway, They're gonna go 8-8. Cassel will have 3,500 yards, 24 tds, 15 picks, and 3 rushing touchdowns.

No way the Broncos have a better record than us !

Chargers>Broncos

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 12:40 PM
I think he takes a hit from Pollard in Spring Training and Goes IR for the year.

Thigpen leads us to 11-5 AFC championship. We Franchise Thigpen and trade him and Derrick Johnson to the Patriots for their 2nd round pick.

ROFL

jwazzie
03-03-2009, 12:43 PM
3430 pass yards, 27 td's, 13 int., 60.4%, 81.2 passer rating...just kidding

12,452 passing yards, 107 td's, 17 int., 87%, 132.4 passer rating.

Suck on that Brady!

ChiefGator
03-03-2009, 12:46 PM
Oh, about 3700 yards, 63.4% completion for 21 TDs and 11 Ints. Rating of 89.4, which will be better than Cutlers.

My reaction? Pure joy.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-03-2009, 12:47 PM
291/522

55.8%

3184 yards

17 TDs
18 Ints

Chiefs go 7-9 but 5-1 in division, finishing in second but well behind SD.

raybec 4
03-03-2009, 12:50 PM
If he manages to start all 16 that will already be an upgrade over any season since Herm took over, that said:

21 TD's
18 INT's
81 passer rating
3500 yards passing
400 yards rushing
4 rushing TD's
sacked 28 times

FishingRod
03-03-2009, 01:01 PM
9000 yards passing 2500 rushing, 50 Passing TD, 20 Rushing, 19 sacks, 7 ints ( he will play both ways).
Bat 327 with 27 HR in limited Play for the Royals before the preseason games start and kill Osama Ben-laden with a vicious pass to the left Temple while flying over Afghanistan in a helicopter to visit the troops.

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 01:02 PM
kill Osama Ben-laden with a vicious pass to the left Temple while flying over Afghanistan in a helicopter to visit the troops.

Come on now, he's not Mike Peterson!

FishingRod
03-03-2009, 01:04 PM
Come on now, he's not Mike Peterson!

Old school BB humor = Mike Perterson LMAO,

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 01:06 PM
and kill Osama Ben-laden with a vicious pass to the left Temple while flying over Afghanistan in a helicopter to visit the troops.

That wasn't bin-laden... That was Pat Tillman.

<---is going to hell.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:16 PM
He will lead us to an undefeated SB victory and I will fall so in love with Matt Cassell that I begin stalking him, culminating in a gruesome murder suicide.

Thiggy QOTF!!!

Claythan, is that you?

SenselessChiefsFan
03-03-2009, 01:17 PM
Cassel will throw for 3200 yards. He will have 27 TD's.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:21 PM
OK, amongst the hopeful, excited, gaudy, and pure clowning replies, I have not seen anyone's predicted reaction to his performance. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SUBPAR!

chiefzilla1501
03-03-2009, 01:22 PM
I think he'll end up with about 3,000 yards and an 18-10 TD/INT ratio. I also think he'll rush for about 300 yards. If the defense is solid enough, I think he takes the team to about .500 this year. If Cassel has the promise, I don't think he'll show it until about halfway through the season.

Garcia Bronco
03-03-2009, 01:23 PM
I'd say he'll get sacked 30-40 times just like he did in NewEngland. He's a statue back there. Heck, Thiggy got sacked 10 times less and started 4 games less.

DJ's left nut
03-03-2009, 01:27 PM
8-8.

A 78.0 passer rating, 3100 passing yards, 1.4 -1 TD/Int ratio.

15th in the league in points scored.

Mediocrity will have been restored, KC will rejoice.

This trade still sucks.

FishingRod
03-03-2009, 01:29 PM
OK, amongst the hopeful, excited, gaudy, and pure clowning replies, I have not seen anyone's predicted reaction to his performance. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SUBPAR!

It will be much the Same as the first year Trent Green Joined the Chiefs. Much Grumbling and gnashing of teeth but some degree of patience as long as he doesn't say stupid crap like Grback and Bono did. This town is pretty tolerant of a guy who take responsibility for the team not playing very well and saying "I need to play better". If he stinks it up the 1st year and a few games into year two whomever the backup QB is at that time will be the most popular guy in KC.

DeezNutz
03-03-2009, 01:29 PM
8-8.

A 78.0 passer rating, 3100 passing yards, 1.4 -1 TD/Int ratio.

15th in the league in points scored.

Mediocrity will have been restored, KC will rejoice.

This trade still sucks.

LMAO

keg in kc
03-03-2009, 01:29 PM
Hard to say without knowing who's blocking for him and who's catching passes. As a wild guess I'd say 63% completions for 3750 yards, 25 TD, 16 picks, 35 sacks, 250 yards rushing. Rating about 86.5.

I doubt the Chiefs are better than 7-9 regardless.

Deberg_1990
03-03-2009, 01:32 PM
3 TD's 2 int's 350 yards passing

Goes down in the 2nd game of the season with a career ending achilles injury.

Reerun_KC
03-03-2009, 01:32 PM
Claythan, is that you?

Or DFB and Hootie?

FishingRod
03-03-2009, 01:34 PM
OK, amongst the hopeful, excited, gaudy, and pure clowning replies, I have not seen anyone's predicted reaction to his performance. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS SUBPAR!

It will be much the Same as the first year Trent Green Joined the Chiefs. Much Grumbling and gnashing of teeth but some degree of patience as long as he doesn't say stupid crap like Grback and Bono did. This town is pretty tolerant of a guy who take responsibility for the team not playing very well and saying "I need to play better". If he stinks it up the 1st year and a few games into year two whomever the backup QB is at that time will be the most popular guy in KC.

chiefzilla1501
03-03-2009, 01:35 PM
I'd say he'll get sacked 30-40 times just like he did in NewEngland. He's a statue back there. Heck, Thigpen got sacked 10 times less and started 4 games less.

He's not a statue. He ran for almost 300 yards. Like any QB, he has to learn to make quicker reads. But last year showed how overrated the Pats' o-line is. The Pats' o-line is great because Brady is the best in the game at making lightning quick reads.

FringeNC
03-03-2009, 01:37 PM
Predicting the completion rate and TD/int ratio, and thus the rating is hard. Who knows? But everyone's predictions on total passing yards is way low. We're still going to have a bad defense next year, and Haley is going to play to win, which will mean a bunch of shootouts. If he stays healthy, I think Cassel will have 4500 yards passing.

DeezNutz
03-03-2009, 01:37 PM
I think Cassel will have 4500 yards passing.

Did you mean feet?

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 01:38 PM
He's not a statue. He ran for almost 300 yards. Like any QB, he has to learn to make quicker reads. But last year showed how overrated the Pats' o-line is. The Pats' o-line is great because Brady is the best in the game at making lightning quick reads.

Many scramblers get lots of sacks, cause in all actuality they are usually desperate attempts to get a yard or two after the play breaks down.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:39 PM
It will be much the Same as the first year Trent Green Joined the Chiefs. Much Grumbling and gnashing of teeth but some degree of patience as long as he doesn't say stupid crap like Grback and Bono did. This town is pretty tolerant of a guy who take responsibility for the team not playing very well and saying "I need to play better". If he stinks it up the 1st year and a few games into year two whomever the backup QB is at that time will be the most popular guy in KC.

You are giving the Chiefs fans here a lot of credit. Don't you remember all the TrINT comments in green's first year?. If he starts the season with two subpar performance he'll be the next big bust on this forum.

chiefzilla1501
03-03-2009, 01:39 PM
8-8.

A 78.0 passer rating, 3100 passing yards, 1.4 -1 TD/Int ratio.

15th in the league in points scored.

Mediocrity will have been restored, KC will rejoice.

This trade still sucks.

I still don't understand why people measure upside by draft status after a guy's been in the NFL this long. Because I don't understand why you're so sure a guy with great size, athleticism, decent enough arm strength, and an outstanding work ethic and dedication to the film room is a symbol of mediocrity.

We don't know what to expect from Cassel. I'm just stunned that so many people think a guy like this doesn't have any upside.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:40 PM
Did you mean feet?

No, because Cassel is not a Catterpilar.

OnTheWarpath58
03-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Did you mean feet?

LMAO

FringeNC
03-03-2009, 01:43 PM
Did you mean feet?

Nah, 4500 yards passing isn't really that much of an accomplishment if you are always losing, and throw the ball 40 times + per game.

-King-
03-03-2009, 01:44 PM
3500 yards
24 TDs
15 INTs
3 rushing TDs

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 01:46 PM
Anyway, They're gonna go 8-8. Cassel will have 3,500 yards, 24 tds, 15 picks, and 3 rushing touchdowns.

3500 yards
24 TDs
15 INTs
3 rushing TDs

You are smart! ;-)

Brock
03-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Without some better receivers, I don't see him being statistically a whole lot better than Thigpen.

DJ's left nut
03-03-2009, 01:47 PM
I still don't understand why people measure upside by draft status after a guy's been in the NFL this long. Because I don't understand why you're so sure a guy with great size, athleticism, decent enough arm strength, and an outstanding work ethic and dedication to the film room is a symbol of mediocrity.

We don't know what to expect from Cassel. I'm just stunned that so many people think a guy like this doesn't have any upside.

Because my sense of schatenfruede had me watching the Pats every time they were on.

He doesn't have much of an arm. He's not accurate, he's moderately athletic but makes up for it by not being able to read a defense.

He's a very tall Tyler Thigpen, congratulations.

If you were on the Thigpen bandwagon, then it doesn't surprise me that you'd be fired up about Cassel. If you weren't a Thigpen guy but you like Cassel...well that's just funny right there.

Valiant
03-03-2009, 01:51 PM
3200yards passing, 18tds, 16ints, sacked 50times, 53% completion percentage, 1 rushing score. 72ish passer..

Chiefs win 7 games, because defense still sucks..

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Hard to say without knowing who's blocking for him and who's catching passes.

True. That's why I expected only "good" or "poor" answers. But folks started predicting numbers. Also by asking for Cassel's performance I wanted you to factor in your silent prediction of how the Chiefs will/will not provide adequate protection for him in '09. So far it looks like they are not in a hurry to do so. Otherwise they'd be a bit more urgent in the FA market. Last year proved that you cannot improve an entire OL via draft with immediate results in mind. We need 3 positions addressed in the ol and we won't be able to do it in the draft alone.

The Buddha
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
True. That's why I expected only "good" or "poor" answers. But folks started predicting numbers. Also by asking for Cassel's performance I wanted you to factor in your silent prediction of how the Chiefs will/will not provide adequate protection for him in '09. So far it looks like they are not in a hurry to do so. Otherwise they'd be a bit more urgent in the FA market. Last year proved that you cannot improve an entire OL via draft with immediate results in mind. We need 3 positions addressed in the ol and we won't be able to do it in the draft alone.

I don't think our staff is trying to fix everything this season.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 01:54 PM
If you weren't a Thigpen guy but you like Cassel...well that's just funny right there.

Color me funny then.

chiefzilla1501
03-03-2009, 02:01 PM
Because my sense of schatenfruede had me watching the Pats every time they were on.

He doesn't have much of an arm. He's not accurate, he's moderately athletic but makes up for it by not being able to read a defense.

He's a very tall Tyler Thigpen, congratulations.

If you were on the Thigpen bandwagon, then it doesn't surprise me that you'd be fired up about Cassel. If you weren't a Thigpen guy but you like Cassel...well that's just funny right there.

I think the point to be made is that most quarterbacks aren't good at reading defenses in their first 16 games, particularly a guy like Cassel who hadn't started a game since high school. What's more important is that as the year went on, he got better and better and better, and that there are reports that he is as intense with his off-the-field preparations as Brady is--that says a lot, as Peyton and Brady are arguably two of the QBs that are most obsessed with that kind of preparation.

And per arm strength, I keep hearing this, but it's only because he doesn't throw a great deep ball. Nevermind that he gets very good velocity on his short to intermediate.

He has all the physical tools and a terrific work ethic. I just don't understand why people would think that that combination leads to a low ceiling of potential.

Frankie
03-03-2009, 02:03 PM
I don't think our staff is trying to fix everything this season.

I know. But when you invest a lot of money in a QB the first thing you fix is the OL.

CupidStunt
03-03-2009, 02:07 PM
3350 yards
20 TD
13 INT
61% completions
250 rush yards
2 rush TD

htismaqe
03-03-2009, 02:22 PM
I think the point to be made is that most quarterbacks aren't good at reading defenses in their first 16 games, particularly a guy like Cassel who hadn't started a game since high school. What's more important is that as the year went on, he got better and better and better, and that there are reports that he is as intense with his off-the-field preparations as Brady is--that says a lot, as Peyton and Brady are arguably two of the QBs that are most obsessed with that kind of preparation.

And per arm strength, I keep hearing this, but it's only because he doesn't throw a great deep ball. Nevermind that he gets very good velocity on his short to intermediate.

He has all the physical tools and a terrific work ethic. I just don't understand why people would think that that combination leads to a low ceiling of potential.

:thumb:

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 02:30 PM
My reaction after one year will not be knee jerk cut him reaction. I will let things unfold and allow the team to develope. In a few years, my reaction will have everything to do with where Matthew goes in the draft, and how he does compared to Cassel. It also will have who we take #3 this year figured in as well.

Spott
03-03-2009, 08:11 PM
I have a feeling that he will get hurt early in the season and Thigpen will get to start most of the year again.

Reaper16
03-03-2009, 08:12 PM
Prediction: Meh
Reaction: Stoicism

Count Zarth
03-03-2009, 08:14 PM
He'll have similar numbers to what he did last year.

And he will shock people with his athleticism. At 6-4, 230, he's a freak.

-King-
03-03-2009, 08:16 PM
You are smart! ;-)

LMAO! What the hell, I didnt even read the other replies. Weird shit huh? ROFLROFL

Smed1065
03-03-2009, 08:17 PM
291/522

55.8%

3184 yards

17 TDs
18 Ints

Chiefs go 7-9 but 5-1 in division, finishing in second but well behind SD.

But better TD/Int ratio, IMO.

Count Zarth
03-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Why would Cassel drop almost 10 points in completion percentage?

Can someone give me a REALISTIC explanation for that?

wazu
03-03-2009, 08:20 PM
Comes out on fire, throwing TDs all over the place the first few weeks, with stats falling back down to earth by mid-October. KC falls in love with him and he becomes one of the good stories of the NFL in 2009. Things calm down as the Chiefs still steadily lose games and eventually fall out of playoff contention due to problems on defense, finishing 7-9.

Cassel finishes passing for 3300 yards, 22 TDs, 15 INTs, and a 61% completion percentage. Rushes for another 200, with 2 rushing scores. QB rating of 86.

Most importantly, though, is the fact that he wins a few games in clutch, fourth quarter situations, showing an uncanny ability to rise to the occasion when the game is on his shoulders.

My reaction is positive.

KcMizzou
03-03-2009, 08:26 PM
Prediction: Meh
Reaction: StoicismPrediction: Nice
Reaction: Sweet!

FD
03-03-2009, 08:59 PM
My reaction after one year will not be knee jerk cut him reaction. I will let things unfold and allow the team to develope. In a few years, my reaction will have everything to do with where Matthew goes in the draft, and how he does compared to Cassel. It also will have who we take #3 this year figured in as well.

Why thats downright reasonable.

Short Leash Hootie
03-03-2009, 10:02 PM
I'd say he'll get sacked 30-40 times just like he did in NewEngland. He's a statue back there. Heck, Thigpen got sacked 10 times less and started 4 games less.

yeah and if he started more games he would have been sacked more times...?

cdcox
03-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Why would Cassel drop almost 10 points in completion percentage?

Can someone give me a REALISTIC explanation for that?

82.

Kyle DeLexus
03-03-2009, 10:19 PM
82.

Sounds like a good realistic reason to me.

Count Zarth
03-03-2009, 11:07 PM
82.

Bowe dropped 13 balls last year. Try again.

Valiant
03-04-2009, 01:41 AM
Why would Cassel drop almost 10 points in completion percentage?

Can someone give me a REALISTIC explanation for that?

Outside of Gonzo our guys drop lots of balls??

Valiant
03-04-2009, 01:43 AM
Bowe dropped 13 balls last year. Try again.

I would say almost double that if you go back and watch the games.. The stats people have a tendency to no count drops.. Parker only had like 8 drops according to them the previous year..

Short Leash Hootie
03-04-2009, 03:40 AM
I would say almost double that if you go back and watch the games.. The stats people have a tendency to no count drops.. Parker only had like 8 drops according to them the previous year..

You think he had 26 drops LMAO

13 is quite a few drops...it might not sound like it, but it is.

Rukdafaidas
03-04-2009, 06:18 AM
You think he had 26 drops LMAO

13 is quite a few drops...it might not sound like it, but it is.

If I remember correctly, he dropped like 5 in the first game.

Messier
03-04-2009, 07:06 AM
I didn't watch a lot of Cassel last season, but I've looked at a lot of his highlights since we've signed him, and I know highlights can make anyone look good, but from what i saw he is much much more accurate than Thigpen. One thing I noticed is how accurate he was throwing on the run. Again I'm just going off of highlights, but there were enough really good plays to get me excited.

EyePod
03-04-2009, 10:29 AM
This all depends on how much his deal is. If it is not ridiculous, then I'd be fine with anything more than 6 wins.

Detoxing
03-04-2009, 10:34 AM
20 Td's, 12 INTS, 3256 Yards, Chiefs go 8-8.

I'll retain hope and get excited about next season

StcChief
03-04-2009, 10:35 AM
No way the Broncos have a better record than us !Donxs implosion and will be Turd. Dolts win division.

Chiefs 8-8.
Cassell....
24 TDs
15 Ints
3 Lost Fumbles.
Rating 95.
2500 Yds.

EyePod
03-04-2009, 10:40 AM
Donxs implosion and will be Turd. Dolts win division.

Chiefs 8-8.
Cassell....
24 TDs
15 Ints
3 Lost Fumbles.
Rating 95.
2500 Yds.

Wow, that's only a little better than Thigpen last year (of course ignoring the wins). Thigpen had 18 TD's, 12 Ints, 2 lost fumbles (only from running), and 2600 yards. Then, if you figure in his rushing TD's, that's 21 TD's to 12 ints. That's a better ratio than what you're giving. So right now, you'd be fine with Thigpen, just more wins, right? I still think it wasn't Thigpen's fault that we lost all of those games. Those losses were almost all our defense.

MahiMike
03-04-2009, 10:40 AM
I predict Cassel will be our starting QB.

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:01 AM
2,436 yards, 18 TD's 16 INT's. 58.6% 76.3 passer rating.


Awfull close.

Cassel ended up 16 TD 16 INT 2924 yards and 69.0 Rating

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:02 AM
291/522

55.8%

3184 yards

17 TDs
18 Ints

Chiefs go 7-9 but 5-1 in division, finishing in second but well behind SD.



Close on stats.

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:03 AM
I'd say he'll get sacked 30-40 times just like he did in NewEngland. He's a statue back there. Heck, Thigpen got sacked 10 times less and started 4 games less.


You were wrong!

42 sacks

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:05 AM
3200yards passing, 18tds, 16ints, sacked 50times, 53% completion percentage, 1 rushing score. 72ish passer..

Chiefs win 7 games, because defense still sucks..



Good call and yep, defense still sucks.

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:06 AM
Why would Cassel drop almost 10 points in completion percentage?

Can someone give me a REALISTIC explanation for that?



:LOL:

Von Dumbass
02-10-2010, 10:08 AM
GoChiefs was the biggest Cassel homer before week 1 of the regular season.ROFL

InChiefsHell
02-10-2010, 10:13 AM
291/522

55.8%

3184 yards

17 TDs
18 Ints

Chiefs go 7-9 but 5-1 in division, finishing in second but well behind SD.

Ugh.

Pestilence
02-10-2010, 10:15 AM
22 TDs 16 INTS
2800 yards

Awfull close.

Cassel ended up 16 TD 16 INT 2924 yards and 69.0 Rating

Damn.....I was so close except for TDs.

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 10:15 AM
GoChiefs was the biggest Cassel homer before week 1 of the regular season.ROFL


Shut up. I'm still enjoying that ass whippin we gave you !

Reerun_KC
02-10-2010, 10:19 AM
GoChiefs was the biggest Cassel homer before week 1 of the regular season.ROFL

He needs to be taken with a grain of salt.... The dude is flaky as a biscuit!

beach tribe
02-10-2010, 10:22 AM
GoChiefs was the biggest Cassel homer before week 1 of the regular season.ROFL

42-22

DrRyan
02-10-2010, 10:26 AM
He needs to be taken with a grain of salt.... The dude is flaky as a biscuit!

I would say his flakiness resembles a french pastry over a biscuit.

Reaper16
02-10-2010, 10:27 AM
Prediction: Meh
Reaction: Stoicism
My reaction was spot-on, only Matty played worse than I thought. He was sub-meh.

L.A. Chieffan
02-10-2010, 10:38 AM
GoChiefs was the biggest Cassel homer before week 1 of the regular season.ROFL

Jamaal Charles just scored again

InChiefsHell
02-10-2010, 10:43 AM
42-22

...in their house, as I recall...

TRR
02-10-2010, 10:48 AM
I don't think anyone could have predicted the changes the offense went through in 09'.

The only thing that was consistent is Cassel at QB. The O-Line seemed to be a different mix nearly all season, and it seemed that the top 3 WR's changed every week....Not to mention scrapping the offensive playbook so late.

I can only hope that consistency ensues in 2010....
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Pestilence
02-10-2010, 10:54 AM
I don't think anyone could have predicted the changes the offense went through in 09'.

The only thing that was consistent is Cassel at QB. The O-Line seemed to be a different mix nearly all season, and it seemed that the top 3 WR's changed every week....Not to mention scrapping the offensive playbook so late.

I can only hope that consistency ensues in 2010....
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Are you kidding me? He wasn't consistent at all.

doomy3
02-10-2010, 10:55 AM
Are you kidding me? He wasn't consistent at all.

You can't read that he was saying Cassel was the only person who was consistently in the same position? The WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL was shuffled all year. So yeah, I would say the only consistent was QB.

TRR
02-10-2010, 10:57 AM
Are you kidding me? He wasn't consistent at all.

Wow!

Re-read my post. The meaning was that Cassel was the only player consistently in the same role last season. The QB position was about the only Offensive position that didn't go through drastic changes throughout the year.
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Reaper16
02-10-2010, 10:57 AM
Are you kidding me? He wasn't consistent at all.
He was consistently bad.

Pestilence
02-10-2010, 11:00 AM
You can't read that he was saying Cassel was the only person who was consistently in the same position? The WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL was shuffled all year. So yeah, I would say the only consistent was QB.

Wow!

Re-read my post. The meaning was that Cassel was the only player consistently in the same role last season. The QB position was about the only Offensive position that didn't go through drastic changes throughout the year.
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I misread it......Jesus. You can get off of me now.

ChiefsCountry
02-10-2010, 11:00 AM
Hamas hates Cassel with a passion and still predicted him to be decent.
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doomy3
02-10-2010, 11:02 AM
I misread it......Jesus. You can get off of me now.

Was just wondering if you were being that obtuse on purpose.

TRR
02-10-2010, 11:02 AM
I misread it......Jesus. You can get off of me now.

Lol! Relax.
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Pestilence
02-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Was just wondering if you were being that obtuse on purpose.

You calling me fat? :spock:

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2010, 01:17 PM
This thread is a great read.

When Cassel was even worse than Hamas predicted - which was pretty piss-poor - it says something.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 01:20 PM
Because my sense of schatenfruede had me watching the Pats every time they were on.

He doesn't have much of an arm. He's not accurate, he's moderately athletic but makes up for it by not being able to read a defense.

He's a very tall Tyler Thigpen, congratulations.

If you were on the Thigpen bandwagon, then it doesn't surprise me that you'd be fired up about Cassel. If you weren't a Thigpen guy but you like Cassel...well that's just funny right there.

LMAO.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 01:22 PM
I predict Cassel will play better next year and the overall team will improve. We'll see alot of spinning and very little accountability.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Of course Cassel will be better next year. He damn near has no choice.

He'll be a lot better, but still be only mediocre, nothing more. Strangely, though, people are going to be encouraged and speak highly about his level of play.

Which will inspire even more heated exchanges between the "haters" and the ball washers. Did I forget quotation marks?

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 01:28 PM
Of course Cassel will be better next year. He damn near has no choice.

He'll be a lot better, but still be only mediocre, nothing more. Strangely, though, people are going to be encouraged and speak highly about his level of play.

Which will inspire even more heated exchanges between the "haters" and the ball washers. Did I forget quotation marks?

So you're saying if he can throw for 20-25 touchdowns and complete 60% of his passes it's just a facade?

TRR
02-10-2010, 01:29 PM
I predict Cassel will play better next year and the overall team will improve. We'll see alot of spinning and very little accountability.

Which is exactly what we saw on this board when Trent Green started putting up Pro Bowl caliber numbers...
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DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 01:34 PM
So you're saying if he can throw for 20-25 touchdowns and complete 60% of his passes it's just a facade?

I'm saying that, at best, a closer look at the numbers will show that his ceiling will be the Cassel that played in NE. If it's over 10 yards, don't hold your breath.

Cassel's flaws aren't going away, but Weis should be able to help mask them. The problem is...we've seen how this movie ends. Build the rest of the team...and have a sub-par QB leading it.

Carl patented this move; it's called "the flop" (better, write-in candidates being accepted).

As I've said, I don't dislike Cassel the individual player as much as I absolutely ****ing hate everything his acquisition represents.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 01:41 PM
I'm saying that, at best, a closer look at the numbers will show that his ceiling will be the Cassel that played in NE. If it's over 10 yards, don't hold your breath.

Cassel's flaws aren't going away, but Weis should be able to help mask them. The problem is...we've seen how this movie ends. Build the rest of the team...and have a sub-par QB leading it.

Carl patented this move; it's called "the flop" (better, write-in candidates being accepted).

As I've said, I don't dislike Cassel the individual player as much as I absolutely ****ing hate everything his acquisition represents.

Deez I wouldn't say a QB who can throw for over 20 TD's and +4,000 yards is subpar. I see where you're coming from about bringing in a Veteran QB opposed to drafting one. If he produces like he did in New England i'm sorry I disagree with you he certainly won't be the problem.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 01:46 PM
Deez I wouldn't say a QB who can throw for over 20 TD's and +4,000 yards is subpar. I see where you're coming from about bringing in a Veteran QB opposed to drafting one. If he produces like he did in New England i'm sorry I disagree with you he certainly won't be the problem.

Could NE Cassel win a SB if *he* had to go win it? Could he put the team on his back and get it done?

Are those guys damn hard to find? Absolutely. Rare breed. But I want this team to have a franchise QB in the worst way.

I'm so ****ing tired of getting everyone else's backup. Pioli's first move was to go full-Carl, and people cheered the value. Fuck. That.

OnTheWarpath58
02-10-2010, 02:25 PM
I predict Cassel will play better next year and the overall team will improve. We'll see alot of spinning and very little accountability.

How the fuck could either get any worse?

DJ's left nut
02-10-2010, 02:42 PM
LMAO.

Shit, I'm good.

DJ's left nut
02-10-2010, 02:43 PM
So you're saying if he can throw for 20-25 touchdowns and complete 60% of his passes it's just a facade?

I'll say that if he can throw 25 TDs and complete 60%, a legitimate NFL QB could go for 30 and 65%.

Weis can cover up a lot of flaws. He can't cover up inaccurate.

jbwm89
02-10-2010, 02:44 PM
Rich Gannon was Warren Moon's "backup" and he went to a super bowl with Oakland

cdcox
02-10-2010, 02:44 PM
Deez I wouldn't say a QB who can throw for over 20 TD's and +4,000 yards is subpar.

Chad Pennington is, and always was a sub-par QB.

DJ's left nut
02-10-2010, 02:45 PM
Could NE Cassel win a SB if *he* had to go win it? Could he put the team on his back and get it done?

Are those guys damn hard to find? Absolutely. Rare breed. But I want this team to have a franchise QB in the worst way.

I'm so ****ing tired of getting everyone else's backup. Pioli's first move was to go full-Carl, and people cheered the value. ****. That.

Hell, they didn't even cheer, you became the absolute anti-Christ if you dared point out that the Cassel acquisition had Carl written all over it.

I don't even know how it took hindsight. Slap "Grbac" on Cassel's jersey and it's a virtual carbon-copy...except that Grbac was actually worth a shit.

cdcox
02-10-2010, 02:45 PM
Rich Gannon was Warren Moon's "backup" and he went to a super bowl with Oakland

Sub par system QB. Didn't want Gannon.

The Bad Guy
02-10-2010, 02:52 PM
Could NE Cassel win a SB if *he* had to go win it? Could he put the team on his back and get it done?

Are those guys damn hard to find? Absolutely. Rare breed. But I want this team to have a franchise QB in the worst way.

I'm so ****ing tired of getting everyone else's backup. Pioli's first move was to go full-Carl, and people cheered the value. ****. That.

I think it's a lot different than Carl. Pioli wanted to bring his guy in. Carl just chased whatever 49er cast off there was. I think it was a lot like Vermeil bringing in Trent Green.

I think this is the make or break year for Cassel. Weis is a QB guru who has gotten the most of the players he's coached at that position everywhere.

Cassel did have some really nice 4th quarter comebacks with the Patriots. All hope for him isn't lost with me because of the clusterfuck that was last year. However, if he's not making consistent progress, there's no way that bonus can be paid at the end of the year.

jbwm89
02-10-2010, 02:59 PM
It was not stupid to trade for Cassel, what was stupid was giving him the huge contract when we had a year to evaluate him.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:03 PM
I think it's a lot different than Carl. Pioli wanted to bring his guy in. Carl just chased whatever 49er cast off there was. I think it was a lot like Vermeil bringing in Trent Green.

I think this is the make or break year for Cassel. Weis is a QB guru who has gotten the most of the players he's coached at that position everywhere.

Cassel did have some really nice 4th quarter comebacks with the Patriots. All hope for him isn't lost with me because of the cluster**** that was last year. However, if he's not making consistent progress, there's no way that bonus can be paid at the end of the year.

I understand your point.

But even if we use '01 Carl/Grandpa as the point of comparison, what did we learn? That it was a HUGE mistake to throw a draft pick away on an older player rather than trusting the draft board to the tune of Drew Brees.

This takes nothing away from Green. He was very, very solid. Unfortunately, this level of play lasted only 3 years, thus my use of HUGE.

We simply have to draft and develop our own guy. Will it take 30+ years? More floundering and failure? What's the breaking point? Is there one?

Hog Farmer
02-10-2010, 03:11 PM
It was not stupid to trade for Cassel, what was stupid was giving him the huge contract when we had a year to evaluate him.


Yeah, I have a bad feeling we're stuck with a below average Quarterback for the next few years.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 03:15 PM
I'll say that if he can throw 25 TDs and complete 60%, a legitimate NFL QB could go for 30 and 65%.

Weis can cover up a lot of flaws. He can't cover up inaccurate.

Tom Brady must be subpar by your standards.

BossChief
02-10-2010, 03:21 PM
3500 yards
24 TDs
15 INTs
3 rushing TDs

3200yards passing, 18tds, 16ints, sacked 50times, 53% completion percentage, 1 rushing score. 72ish passer..

Chiefs win 7 games, because defense still sucks..

3350 yards
20 TD
13 INT
61% completions
250 rush yards
2 rush TD
just want to point out that most of these predictions were made before the TG trade.

The people that guessed that his stats would be higher should get a lot more credit.

Losing Tony G lost us at least 700 yards and 6 tds over what production we got from the TE position.

I understand your point.

But even if we use '01 Carl/Grandpa as the point of comparison, what did we learn? That it was a HUGE mistake to throw a draft pick away on an older player rather than trusting the draft board to the tune of Drew Brees.

This takes nothing away from Green. He was very, very solid. Unfortunately, this level of play lasted only 3 years, thus my use of HUGE.

We simply have to draft and develop our own guy. Will it take 30+ years? More floundering and failure? What's the breaking point? Is there one?I agree with most of this, I would LOVE for us to take Clausen or Bradford in the draft...it would be exciting for us.

BUT

If there was no Peyton Manning, Trent Green was the most productive NFL quarterback from 2001-2005. Trading for him wasnt a bad choice IMHO. Not doing anything to improve the defense and bringing Gun back is what doomed our teams of his era.

EVERY NFL TEAM passed on Brees in the first round, there arent many QBs that are as short as him that become good pros. Brees is the exception, not the rule.

If Cassel doesn't improve a great deal and take to the coaching next year, we should strongly think about Jake Locker in the 2011 draft. He is the first senior qb to come out in a couple years and I think he could be the man. Im not expecting the probowl, but I am not expecting the majority of his stats to come in garbage time either as was the case this year.

BossChief
02-10-2010, 03:24 PM
Yeah, I have a bad feeling we're stuck with a below average Quarterback for the next few years.

Bledsoe signed a 100 million dollar contract for NE in 2001

SDChiefs
02-10-2010, 03:25 PM
I predict Cassel sux balls. I bet after every loss he sits at home with his feet up sippin on Dom Perrion and screams at the top of his lungs "I'M CAKN PATNA!" Then laughs like the Joker.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:27 PM
Gabbert in '11. Please. Pretty please.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 03:28 PM
Gabbert in '11. Please. Pretty please.

God No.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:29 PM
God No.

Fail.

Dude is going to be special. A more athletic Roethlisberger.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 03:35 PM
Fail.

Dude is going to be special. A more athletic Roethlisberger.

Highly doubtful. He shit the bed vs a team like Navy.

milkman
02-10-2010, 03:37 PM
If there was no Peyton Manning, Trent Green was the most productive NFL quarterback from 2001-2005. Trading for him wasnt a bad choice IMHO. Not doing anything to improve the defense and bringing Gun back is what doomed our teams of his era.

EVERY NFL TEAM passed on Brees in the first round, there arent many QBs that are as short as him that become good pros. Brees is the exception, not the rule.

If Cassel doesn't improve a great deal and take to the coaching next year, we should strongly think about Jake Locker in the 2011 draft. He is the first senior qb to come out in a couple years and I think he could be Tony Orlando and Dawn. Im not expecting the probowl, but I am not expecting the majority of his stats to come in garbage time either as was the case this year.

Sorry, I strongly disagree.

Trading for 31 year old QB in favor of drafting and developing a 21-22 year old QB is never a good decision.

You certainly don't know that the drafted QB will develop into a quality NFL starter, so clearly there's risk involved.

But the fact is, teams that are competitive for years, that are among the elite franchises are the teams that draft and devlop QBs.

I am fucking sick of this team never attempting to take the chance to build around a potential franchise QB from the draft.

DJ's left nut
02-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Fail.

Dude is going to be special. A more athletic Roethlisberger.

I'd love to believe that.

But I didn't see "it" in him this year.

Lots of physical tools, but he has a long way to go as a leader and field general before I predict NFL stardom for him.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:43 PM
I am ****ing sick of this team never attempting to take the chance to build around a potential franchise QB from the draft.

No shit.

And I want a legit effort. We're talking first-round guy. Not a third-fifth rounder. I'm all for taking a shot on someone there, with the realization that this cannot be the foundation, barring damn near a miracle.

When Croyle tripped over a lineman and was injured in year one, it took some willful blindness to believe he could ever be the answer.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 03:45 PM
No shit.

And I want a legit effort. We're talking first-round guy. Not a third-fifth rounder. I'm all for taking a shot on someone there, with the realization that this cannot be the foundation, barring damn near a miracle.

When Croyle tripped over a lineman and was injured in year one, it took some willful blindness to believe he could ever be the answer.

haha what game was that?

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:46 PM
I'd love to believe that.

But I didn't see "it" in him this year.

Lots of physical tools, but he has a long way to go as a leader and field general before I predict NFL stardom for him.

That's tough to predict. When he came out, for example, Jake the Snake had "it" in bunches.

But there are multiple connotations of "it."

From my perspective, I saw a kid in Gabbert who showed a tremendous amount of toughness by playing when most would have been (and he should have been) on the sideline. That's leadership in my book.

DeezNutz
02-10-2010, 03:47 PM
haha what game was that?

Fucking training camp. I shit you not.

A truly defining moment of frailty.

DJ's left nut
02-10-2010, 03:48 PM
That's tough to predict. When he came out, for example, Jake the Snake had "it" in bunches.

But there are multiple connotations of "it."

From my perspective, I saw a kid in Gabbert who showed a tremendous amount of toughness by playing when most would have been (and he should have been) on the sideline. That's leadership in my book.

Yeah, toughness is a part of it, and he answered that bell.

But I never had confidence in him making the big play of a close game. I mostly just hoped he found a way to get it to Alexander and DA would bail us out. I was actually pretty tough on Daniel but I was generally confident that he'd do something when he had to, come hell or high water.

I just don't believe that with Gabbert.

We'll see how he progresses this season. Yost didn't do him any favors last season.

Chocolate Hog
02-10-2010, 03:50 PM
****ing training camp. I shit you not.

A truly defining moment of frailty.

I never liked the hillbilly to begin with. He always seemed not that bright which is never a good sign for a QB. Of course he's fragile which has been well doucmented.

The Bad Guy
02-10-2010, 03:54 PM
I understand your point.

But even if we use '01 Carl/Grandpa as the point of comparison, what did we learn? That it was a HUGE mistake to throw a draft pick away on an older player rather than trusting the draft board to the tune of Drew Brees.

This takes nothing away from Green. He was very, very solid. Unfortunately, this level of play lasted only 3 years, thus my use of HUGE.

We simply have to draft and develop our own guy. Will it take 30+ years? More floundering and failure? What's the breaking point? Is there one?

Let me say that I was not for the Cassel trade, but accepted it and held my breath.

I agree about Brees, and I agree we need our own guy to develop. Charlie Weis will help in that regard whether it's Cassel or someone drafted.

BossChief
02-10-2010, 03:59 PM
I dont want to draft a qb unless he is a senior. The only exception would be Jimmy Clausen becasue of his history with Weis, thats it.

Not.

Gonna.

Happen.

Though.