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eazyb81
03-06-2009, 10:45 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

OU still a 1 seed? I don't see the justification for that decision.

Mizzou and ku with 3 seeds.

Okie State, A&M, and Texas make it. KSU left out for now.

Molitoth
03-06-2009, 10:51 AM
They have been saying that the seedings this year are going to be skewed because of the economy, and the location on how they can sell the most tickets.

I wouldn't expect the right seeds to be placed on teams this year.

Pants
03-06-2009, 10:54 AM
Gotta wait for the B12 tourney before this even becomes relevant.

eazyb81
03-06-2009, 10:57 AM
Gotta wait for the B12 tourney before this even becomes relevant.

I wouldn't go that far - teams might move up or down a seed, but the tourney won't change things much.

It will be interesting to see what they do with ku or mu if they win the B12 tourney. It looks like they're projecting OU to win it right now with that 1 seed.

Blick
03-06-2009, 11:50 AM
Come on. Put K-State in.

eazyb81
03-09-2009, 12:37 PM
New update today:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

OU and ku are 2 seeds, Mizzou is a 4 seed.

Big 12 with 6 in.

DeezNutz
03-09-2009, 12:42 PM
Cool.

Great for the Big 12 if they get 6 in. I think the conference will show well for itself, too.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 12:43 PM
This just in... LMAO


flo4msu (3/9/2009 at 1:40 PM)
I hope this bracket is accurate! Spartans will be final four bound for sure. I hope to have the chance to pound Pitt again this season, sadly I doubt the will make it to the Elite 8. Big East is the most overrated conference ever. ND sucks. G'Town Sucks. Weren't they supposed to be top 15 type teams? MSU would have won the Big East if they had played in it.

58kcfan89
03-09-2009, 12:47 PM
I know the SOS & RPI for the 'Cats isn't great, but to finish 4th in the conference & have the selection committee go over them for the 5th, 6th AND 7th place team is ridiculous.

Stanley Nickels
03-09-2009, 12:47 PM
I think Missouri has a better shot against Gonzaga than Kansas does against Marquette. The only catch is, that game would be in KC. I still think Marquette would win that one (and, for the record, I'm a Mizzou fan, but I think Marquette would beat MU too).

Edit: I just remembered Marquette lost their best guard for the season... scratch my point.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 12:48 PM
I know the SOS & RPI for the 'Cats isn't great, but to finish 4th in the conference & have the selection committee go over them for the 5th, 6th AND 7th place team is ridiculous.

and a team like Penn State

Cats get grief for losing to iowa and oregon in a preseason tourney, and Penn State JUST lost to Iowa and gets no grief.

Guru
03-09-2009, 12:51 PM
I know the SOS & RPI for the 'Cats isn't great, but to finish 4th in the conference & have the selection committee go over them for the 5th, 6th AND 7th place team is ridiculous.It's wrong but still wouldn't surprise me.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 12:51 PM
at least they project KU to KC, so my tickets will be worth more...

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 12:53 PM
they also seem to think KU will win the Big 12 tourney....

doomy3
03-09-2009, 12:53 PM
Marquette as a SEVEN seed?

Mr. Krab
03-09-2009, 12:53 PM
I hope the Big East is a huge failure in the tourney. I'm tired of hearing about them.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 01:00 PM
and a team like Penn State

The Big 10 this year is exactly what I used to hate about the Big East (until this year)... they have a bunch of teams that have one or two decent out of conference wins, beat each other up, end up with 18+ wins, and they're all of a sudden this dangerously deep and talented conference. It's an incredibly mediocre conference, at best... could make for some good 5/12 upsets.

DaKCMan AP
03-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Not that either are deserving, but Florida should go before South Carolina. Also, U-Dub a 3 seed? Really?

sedated
03-09-2009, 01:05 PM
New update today:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

OU and ku are 2 seeds, Mizzou is a 4 seed.

Big 12 with 6 in.

this bracket would be pretty nice. Marquette has fallen off the pace considerably since losing James. Purdue and Clemson are two of the most overrated teams in the country. Wake Forest is young. Arizona State has been a disappointment. And UConn is probably the weakest #1 seed.

KU is also young and a question mark to make it deep, but a bracket like this would help.

Skip Towne
03-09-2009, 01:05 PM
I know the SOS & RPI for the 'Cats isn't great, but to finish 4th in the conference & have the selection committee go over them for the 5th, 6th AND 7th place team is ridiculous.

They actually tied for 4th with 3 other teams. So they tied for 7th as well.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:07 PM
They actually tied for 4th with 3 other teams. So they tied for 7th as well.
no, they didn't. KSU is 4th. There are no ties, that's why they have tie-breakers.

sedated
03-09-2009, 01:07 PM
Not that either are deserving, but Florida should go before South Carolina.

even with 7 losses in their last 13 games?

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:08 PM
even with 7 losses in their last 13 games?

everyone says last 12 is what the selection committee looks at...you make a good point

Skip Towne
03-09-2009, 01:19 PM
no, they didn't. KSU is 4th. There are no ties, that's why they have tie-breakers.

We'll see if the tournament committee buys the Big XII fucked up tiebreakers. They will go more by ooc wins and RPI type stuff.

Buck
03-09-2009, 01:22 PM
This is a sham.

I know most of you don't follow the Mountain West, but...

He has UNLV in 21-9 (9-7)
and has SDSU out 21-10 (11-5)

SDSU swept the season series against UNLV, including an OT win at UNLV and just last Saturday beat them to claim the #4 seed in the MWC tourney.

SDSU will be playing UNLV (#4/#5) in the first round of the tourney so maybe if they win, he'll finally put SDSU above UNLV.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:26 PM
We'll see if the tournament committee buys the Big XII ****ed up tiebreakers. They will go more by ooc wins and RPI type stuff.

they won't, they've already shown previously they don't really care much about conference standing...just saying that KSU does in fact solely hold 4th place, not a 3 way tie.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 01:26 PM
We'll see if the tournament committee buys the Big XII ****ed up tiebreakers. They will go more by ooc wins and RPI type stuff.

KSU did win @Texas and @A&M, and only lost @OSU by 6... then again, KSU is a little SOL on RPI.

Coach
03-09-2009, 01:30 PM
they also seem to think KU will win the Big 12 tourney....

Eh, I can see that happening, but also can see KU going flat in the semi's.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:32 PM
some stats from another site on KSU

Big 12 Road Record
1. KSU (4-4)
2T. Texas (3-5)
2T. OSU (3-5)
2T. Texas A&M (3-5)

Record against teams compaired to
1. KSU (.667)
2. Oklahoma State (.600)
3T. Texas A&M (.400)
3T. Texas (.400)

Record Against South Division Teams
1. Texas (.700)
2T. KSU (.500)
2T. Texas A&M (.500)
4. Oklahoma State (.400)

Record vs. Big 12 in the last 12 games
1. Kansas State (.750)
2. Texas A&M (.667)
3. Oklahoma State (.583)
4. Texas (.500)

Vegas_Dave
03-09-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm shocked they still have UNLV making it in. Barring my Reb's winning the MWC tourney (which they could since it is in Vegas), they do not deserve to get in.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:38 PM
I'm shocked they still have UNLV making it in. Barring my Reb's winning the MWC tourney (which they could since it is in Vegas), they do not deserve to get in.

want to buy an autographed Lon Kruger jersey?

DaKCMan AP
03-09-2009, 01:40 PM
even with 7 losses in their last 13 games?

If you put the two resumes next to each other Florida's is stronger, slightly. It'll come down to who advances further in the tourney this weekend.

Vegas_Dave
03-09-2009, 01:40 PM
want to buy an autographed Lon Kruger jersey?

No, but if you want to send it to me out of charity for my poor Reb's under performing this season, I would be glad to take it off your hands.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 01:41 PM
This is a sham.

I know most of you don't follow the Mountain West, but...

He has UNLV in 21-9 (9-7)
and has SDSU out 21-10 (11-5)

SDSU swept the season series against UNLV, including an OT win at UNLV and just last Saturday beat them to claim the #4 seed in the MWC tourney.

SDSU will be playing UNLV (#4/#5) in the first round of the tourney so maybe if they win, he'll finally put SDSU above UNLV.

Just glancing at it.... UNLV won @Louisville, which is a huge resume builder, and I didn't see anything remotely close to that for SDSU.

SDSU was swept by BYU
UNLV swept BYU

They both split Utah and UNM.


If BYU was really good, I could see the argument for UNLV... sweeping BYU and winning @Louisville would outweigh being swept by a mere 2 point OT loss head-to-head. But, given that BYU (a #8 in Bracketology) isn't all that much better than UNLV (#11), the head-to-head means more..... but any team that beats a Big East team has to be tournament worthy, right? ;)

Good thing they play each other again, I guess...

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 01:43 PM
No, but if you want to send it to me out of charity for my poor Reb's under performing this season, I would be glad to take it off your hands.

hehe...it's left over from our charity auction last year. he was supposed to be our honored guest, then had open heart surgery the week before the event...

Coach
03-09-2009, 01:43 PM
If you put the two resumes next to each other Florida's is stronger, slightly. It'll come down to who advances further in the tourney this weekend.

With the SEC pairing, does any chance those two teams meet each other before the Championship gmae?

Buck
03-09-2009, 01:43 PM
Just glancing at it.... UNLV won @Louisville, which is a huge resume builder, and I didn't see anything remotely close to that for SDSU.

SDSU was swept by BYU
UNLV swept BYU

They both split Utah and UNM.


If BYU was really good, I could see the argument for UNLV... sweeping BYU and winning @Louisville would outweigh being swept by a mere 2 point OT loss head-to-head. But, given that BYU (a #8 in Bracketology) isn't all that much better than UNLV (#11), the head-to-head means more..... but any team that beats a Big East team has to be tournament worthy, right? ;)

Good thing they play each other again, I guess...

Either way, the team that loses in the opening round of the MWC tourney is probably out, but if SDSU wins, I'm afraid that they won't get an at large bid. They are the First team out right now. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 01:45 PM
If you put the two resumes next to each other Florida's is stronger, slightly. It'll come down to who advances further in the tourney this weekend.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "less brutal".

Looking at decent-good wins, the only difference I see is Florida's win over Washington at the Sprint Center.

DaKCMan AP
03-09-2009, 01:46 PM
With the SEC pairing, does any chance those two teams meet each other before the Championship gmae?

No. It's also unlikely that either team makes it to the Championship game.

DaKCMan AP
03-09-2009, 01:48 PM
I think the phrase you're looking for is "less brutal".

Looking at decent-good wins, the only difference I see is Florida's win over Washington at the Sprint Center.

Neither resume is impressive.


South Carolina (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=2579) [21-8 (10-6), RPI: 48, SOS: 91] The Gamecocks finished 10-6 in SEC play by beating woebegone Georgia 68-51 on the road on Saturday. South Carolina lost badly at home to Tennessee 86-70 on Thursday night, so it was important for it to gain momentum heading into the SEC tournament. The Gamecocks still only have one victory over an RPI top-50 opponent, beating No. 49 Florida 70-69 on Jan. 21. They're 1-5 against RPI top-50 foes and 7-7 against the top 100. South Carolina probably needs to win at least one game in the SEC tournament to have a good chance for an at-large bid. The Gamecocks will play the winner of a first-round game between Georgia and Mississippi State in Friday's quarterfinals.


Florida (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=57) [22-9 (9-7), RPI: 49, SOS: 92] The Gators moved closer to the right side of the bubble by beating Kentucky 60-53 in Gainesville, Fla., on Saturday. But Florida still has much work to do because of its dearth of signature victories and woeful 2-7 road record. The Gators play Arkansas in Thursday's first round and would play Auburn in Friday's quarterfinals. They probably need to win them both. Florida has two RPI top-50 victories, beating Washington (neutral court) and South Carolina (home). The Gators are 2-6 against RPI top-50 foes and 9-8 against the top 100. They have one very unsightly loss, falling 88-86 at RPI No. 188 Georgia on Feb. 14.

kepp
03-09-2009, 02:15 PM
No fair!! That's practically a home game for North Dakota St! :)

CoMoChief
03-09-2009, 03:38 PM
I think Missouri has a better shot against Gonzaga than Kansas does against Marquette. The only catch is, that game would be in KC. I still think Marquette would win that one (and, for the record, I'm a Mizzou fan.

BUT OF COURSE!!!!!!!!

ChiTown
03-09-2009, 03:45 PM
Gotta wait for the B12 tourney before this even becomes relevant.

This

ArrowheadHawk
03-09-2009, 04:47 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

DaKCMan AP
03-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

128 teams in the tourney would be ridiculous. Let's not turn this into the NBA.

ChiTown
03-09-2009, 04:54 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

NFW.

65 is plenty.

kstater
03-09-2009, 05:08 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

What they should do is put the best 65 teams in the field. Not the best 40 teams plus 25 slightly above Division II teams.

KChiefs1
03-09-2009, 05:23 PM
I think MU gets a 4 seed & possibly a 3 seed if they beat Texas A&M and Oklahoma. If they win the Big 12 Tournament I think they'll still get a 3 seed.
I just don't see them moving up to a 2 seed.

I think Missouri beats Texas A&M and then loses to Oklahoma in the semifinals.
I think OU wins the Big 12 the next day. The Sooners have the best player.
They're playing at home. They want revenge against the Tigers and Jayhawks.
If Missouri beats OU in what amounts to a road game, color me quite impressed.

MU will be seeded 3rd to 5th depending on what happens in the Big 12 Tournament.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

I really like Bob Knight, but he's been saying this for a few years and I completely disagree with him. It's already "if you're not one of the top 16 teams, you're not going to win the tourney". We don't need to add teams to the bottom.

Notre Dame's RPI is 73, they would get in easily.
Baylor's RPI is 75.
TEXAS FREAKIN' TECH's RPI is 127.

Until the 'last in' CONSISTENTLY start winning SS games, it's not even an issue. This is prior to last year... the last two lines in have 5 SS wins ever.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/bearcat2002/Seeds.jpg

Saul Good
03-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.No 16 seed has ever won a game. Why would you want to add 64 teams that are even worse?

kstater
03-09-2009, 05:44 PM
No 16 seed has ever won a game. Why would you want to add 64 teams that are even worse?

TBH, those 64 teams would likely be better than every 16 that has ever played.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 05:48 PM
No 16 seed has ever won a game. Why would you want to add 64 teams that are even worse?

Well, 13-16 are the teams that would have no chance in hell to make the tournament if they didn't win their conference tourney... so not to be nitpicky, but the teams wouldn't be added to the bottom. Theoretically, 1-12 would stay the same, 13-16 would become 29-32, and then you would add a sh*tload of mediocre-bad teams.

A 1/32 matchup would basically be the same as it is today, and then a 1/16 in the second round would be like a #1 versus Nebraska.

Saul Good
03-09-2009, 06:27 PM
Maybe we should add 32 more Bowl games while we're at it.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 07:28 PM
Maybe we should add 32 more Bowl games while we're at it.

don't say that too loud....someone might hear it and think it's a good idea... $$$

Saul Good
03-09-2009, 07:31 PM
don't say that too loud....someone might hear it and think it's a good idea... $$$

I've actually been calling for pre-season bowl games for a year or two now. I think that would be pretty exciting. It would certainly liven up the non-conference portion of the season.

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 07:41 PM
I've actually been calling for pre-season bowl games for a year or two now. I think that would be pretty exciting. It would certainly liven up the non-conference portion of the season.

that's essentially what all the old exhibition games were...and they got rid of them.

KcMizzou
03-09-2009, 07:43 PM
TEXAS FREAKIN' TECH's RPI is 127.
Plus, they have one really good win.

Bearcat
03-09-2009, 08:14 PM
Plus, they have one really good win.

Texas Tech was up 24-23 on Pitt.... yeah, that Pitt, 13 minutes into a game back in November before Pitt went on a run to go up 10 at half, winning by 13.






Shut up!

KcMizzou
03-09-2009, 08:36 PM
Texas Tech was up 24-23 on Pitt.... yeah, that Pitt, 13 minutes into a game back in November before Pitt went on a run to go up 10 at half, winning by 13.






Shut up!:D

mikeyis4dcats.
03-09-2009, 09:45 PM
Texas Tech was up 24-23 on Pitt.... yeah, that Pitt, 13 minutes into a game back in November before Pitt went on a run to go up 10 at half, winning by 13.






Shut up!

LMAO

CrazyPhuD
03-10-2009, 12:38 AM
I'm just rooting for Pitt to lose to the winner of the play in game!

tk13
03-10-2009, 01:35 AM
If anything I've always said they should make the tournament smaller and go back to 64 and drop an at-large bid. I hate the play-in game, don't humor those people with that stupid game and pretend they're part of the tournament. You put in all the people who win their conference, and you're still gonna have 30 spots for good teams who weren't so lucky. It'll be just fine.

Going to 128 sure isn't gonna be any better. That means you're pretty much including everyone that's in the NIT and CBI tourneys. I think it'd really water things down, you'd probably end up letting some teams that went 6-10 in their conference in. In reality we have a 300+ team tournament anyway, considering everybody's got a shot to win their conference tourney.

Sully
03-10-2009, 07:04 AM
Heard Bob Knight say that they should extend the tournament by one round and play the first round on the higher seeds home court. This would get 128 teams in the tournament. I like this idea. If your not in the top 128 your not going to win the tourney.

This is the next argument we will be hearing once NCAA football goes to a playoff system.
8 isn't enough!
16 isn't enough!!!
32 isn't enough!!!