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Von Dumbass
03-16-2009, 04:06 PM
SOURCE: COOK WANTS NEW CONTRACT FOR CUTLER

With none of the top quarterbacks in the draft pool picking him to be their agent, Bus Cook had to find a way to get his name into the NFL conversation in the weeks leading up to the 2009 version of the rookie selection process.

What better way to do it than to demonstrate his power and influence to the quarterback class of 2010 by forcing a trade of Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler?

Dan Patrick said on the Monday edition of his show that Cook recently responded to a report from Peter King that Cutler had asked for a trade before the possibility of trading Cutler ever arose with the time-honored non-denial denial: “Not that I know of.”

We’re now convinced that Cook is the primary instigator of Cutler’s discontent — and also the primary impediment to a meaningful coach-player meeting that could resolve the situation and keep Cutler around.

King told Patrick on Monday that coach Josh McDaniels still wants to have a one-on-one meeting with Cutler.

In other words, McDaniels wants to be able to talk to Cutler without Cook sticking his nose into the discussion, saying and doing things that will prevent Cutler’s currently stubborn resolve from weakening.

Indeed, a league source tells us that Cook’s idea for solving the current impasse was — what else? — a fat new contract for Cutler. If the Broncos aren’t willing to give Cutler a new deal, then Cook and Cutler want to be traded.

Cook is a West Virginia native, so we’d ordinarily be inclined to give him the Pat White treatment. In this case, we can’t. Cook has been at the center of too many unnecessary controversies, and he has failed to use his tremendous influence over his clients to persuade them to find a way to make things work. Instead, Cook has thrived of late on destroying existing relationships, for no apparent strategic reason other than to get his name in the paper.

That said, it’s not too late for the Broncos to take control of the situation. As pointed out in our latest SportingNews.com item, the Bengals did it last year with Chad Johnson, and the Cardinals did it last year (and might do it again this year) with Anquan Boldin. When a player is under contract for three more seasons, the team (not the player) has the power to determine whether the player will be traded or released before those three years expire.

BigChiefFan
03-16-2009, 04:11 PM
Wow. The Broncos are going to have make an example out of this ass-clown and his scam artist agent.

The Bad Guy
03-16-2009, 04:11 PM
So I guess this is your rebuttal after the countless bullshit posts you have made about this being "no big deal".

The Broncos have zero leverage. The difference between Chad Johnson's situation is that Marvin Lewis basically didn't tell him that he wanted an ex player to be the start receiver for the Bengals.

FAX
03-16-2009, 04:13 PM
So, in other words, the goats have to choose between the quarterback with diabetes and no spine or the quarterback with no diabetes and no spleen. Tough decision.

FAX

The Bad Guy
03-16-2009, 04:14 PM
Wow. The Broncos are going to have make an example out of this ass-clown and his scam artist agent.

This is hardly the doing of the agent.

This is the mishandling of a situation of a rookie GM and a rookie coach.

All McDaniels had to do was say, "your our quarterback" as soon as this Cassel story broke.

He didn't - he played tough, and now the franchise wants out.

ferrarispider95
03-16-2009, 04:16 PM
SOURCE: MCDANIELS THINKS CASSELL > CUTLER

DeepSouth
03-16-2009, 04:19 PM
So I guess this is your rebuttal after the countless bullshit posts you have made about this being "no big deal".

The Broncos have zero leverage. The difference between Chad Johnson's situation is that Marvin Lewis basically didn't tell him that he wanted an ex player to be the start receiver for the Bengals.
I disagree. Cutler is under contract. If he doesn't show up for the mandatory stuff he gets fined. He could spend the next three years sitting on the bench while Chris Simms starts. Do you think that will make him more valuable. Cutler signed the contract, he needs to do whatever he has to do to help the team win. We expect that much from Waters & Gonzalez no matter how much they want out.

The Bad Guy
03-16-2009, 04:20 PM
I disagree. Cutler is under contract. If he doesn't show up for the mandatory stuff he gets fined. He could spend the next three years sitting on the bench while Chris Simms starts. Do you think that will make him more valuable. Cutler signed the contract, he needs to do whatever he has to do to help the team win. We expect that much from Waters & Gonzalez no matter how much they want out.

Yeah, I'm sure the Broncos are just going to keep fining him for 3 years instead of taking compensation and moving forward.

Sure-Oz
03-16-2009, 04:21 PM
Cutler will probably be traded, i just don't see this issue going away

DeepSouth
03-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the Broncos are just going to keep fining him for 3 years instead of taking compensation and moving forward.
New England has let superstars sit and not play them versus giving into their demands. They even won a superbowl with Terry Glenn banned from the team. Also, you don't think Cutler would miss getting those pay checks ?

Mile High Mania
03-16-2009, 04:25 PM
This is hardly the doing of the agent.

This is the mishandling of a situation of a rookie GM and a rookie coach.

All McDaniels had to do was say, "your our quarterback" as soon as this Cassel story broke.

He didn't - he played tough, and now the franchise wants out.

I think it's a heavy dose of both... there's no question that the 32 year old rookie HC and the 37 year old newly named GM badly mismanaged this from the start.

I do also think there is some validity to the Bus Cook piece of this, I mean he does have a history with issues like this one.

I put 60% of the blame on the Broncos... 25% on Cook and 15% on Cutler for being a whiner.

Fat contracts tend to heal all wounds, so give him cash and let's move on.

FAX
03-16-2009, 04:28 PM
I think it's a heavy dose of both... there's no question that the 32 year old rookie HC and the 37 year old newly named GM badly mismanaged this from the start.

I do also think there is some validity to the Bus Cook piece of this, I mean he does have a history with issues like this one.

I put 60% of the blame on the Broncos... 25% on Cook and 15% on Cutler for being a whiner.

Hmmmm. I don't know. I'm saying 45% on Cook, 30% on the goats, and 15% on baby Jay, and 10% on the damn fool clerk at Macy's who sold baby Jay those too-tight panties.

FAX

Mile High Mania
03-16-2009, 04:29 PM
Are you sure it was Macys?

DaFace
03-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Cutler will probably be traded, i just don't see this issue going away

The way I see it, there is just no win for the Broncos at this point. It could play out in a number of ways:

The Broncos play hard ball and tell Cutler to play under his current contract. Cutler pouts and probably sits out, leading the Broncos to get no immediate help from draft picks or other players, and the drama continues for a long time.
The Broncos trade Cutler and probably don't get near fair value for him due to their lack of leverage in the situation. Everyone in the league knows about this situation, and low-ball offers are going to be coming in like crazy.
The Broncos decide to give Cutler a new contract, rewarding his whiny behavior and sending a message to the rest of the team that individual players can "win" against the front office. IMO, this would be a huge sign of weakness for the new regime.


There's just no good outcome for them. I'm just glad we can sit back and enjoy.

DaFace
03-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Fat contracts tend to heal all wounds, so give him cash and let's move on.

See my third scenario. Do you worry that doing so would hurt the image of your new management in terms of future negotiations with players?

King_Chief_Fan
03-16-2009, 04:39 PM
My source says who cares.

All parties to blame. Catch 22 for McDufuss.

Trade him and get another one.

talastan
03-16-2009, 04:42 PM
See my third scenario. Do you worry that doing so would hurt the image of your new management in terms of future negotiations with players?

Apparently with the way the Donkeys are signing FAs, money is no object! :)

Von Dumbass
03-16-2009, 05:13 PM
The way I see it, there is just no win for the Broncos at this point. It could play out in a number of ways:

The Broncos play hard ball and tell Cutler to play under his current contract. Cutler pouts and probably sits out, leading the Broncos to get no immediate help from draft picks or other players, and the drama continues for a long time.
The Broncos trade Cutler and probably don't get near fair value for him due to their lack of leverage in the situation. Everyone in the league knows about this situation, and low-ball offers are going to be coming in like crazy.
The Broncos decide to give Cutler a new contract, rewarding his whiny behavior and sending a message to the rest of the team that individual players can "win" against the front office. IMO, this would be a huge sign of weakness for the new regime.


There's just no good outcome for them. I'm just glad we can sit back and enjoy.

1. Cutler is only going to make $1,000,000 dollars in base salary this year 45% of his 47.6 million dollar contract is incentives (http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3608/) He will make $4.5 million extra this year if he takes 70 percent of the snaps and another $1.95 mil if he is top 5 in any major passing category. If Cutler wants to make an extra $6.5 mil he will play.

2. If 10 teams are looking for a franchise QB 1 first round draft pick is not going to win the bid. If one team offers a 1st and a 3rd, the next team will offer a 1st and a 2nd and so on.

3. If they do give him a new contract it could send a bad message to the other players. But Denver doesn't need to give Cutler anything.....
From Peter King:
I asked McDaniels if he feels he'll be forced to trade Cutler. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/15/union/index.html?eref=si_writers/)

"No,'' he said. "He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [But] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about. We've been trying to communicate, and I still want to try, but if that's the direction we're headed, we're going to have to talk.''

vailpass
03-16-2009, 05:35 PM
See my third scenario. Do you worry that doing so would hurt the image of your new management in terms of future negotiations with players?

No. If any other players or agents try to use it management says "All franchise QBs fresh off of leading the #2 offense in the NFL with zero running game who just got back from the pro bowl can ask for the same treatment as Cutler."

kysirsoze
03-16-2009, 06:25 PM
I love that we have more threads on Cutler than the Mange right now.

DaFace
03-16-2009, 06:32 PM
I love that we have more threads on Cutler than the Mange right now.

They have gone a little merge crazy over there the last few days.
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the Talking Can
03-16-2009, 06:47 PM
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OUR HC WANTS TO GIVE KANSAS CITY'S QB A PROMISE RING.

vailpass
03-16-2009, 08:06 PM
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:D You are such a fucker. I'm tied to the whipping post on this one.

Iowanian
03-16-2009, 08:10 PM
Your own coach thinks Cassel is a better QB, and Cassel set the bar at a high 2nd round pick.


I think this should be settled by a game of Russian roulette between Bowlen, Cutler and Spider.

each required to make one pull of the trigger no matter the previous outcome. The best part is, McDaniels would probably hand them magazine fed .45.

Bwana
03-16-2009, 08:18 PM
So I guess this is your rebuttal after the countless bullshit posts you have made about this being "no big deal".



This

DeezNutz
03-16-2009, 08:44 PM
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e252/tziller/Cutler-1.jpg

DeezNutz
03-16-2009, 08:45 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05nOdlR005992/340x.jpg

DeezNutz
03-16-2009, 08:46 PM
http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/52a32595fd_cassel_0212.jpg

Chiefnj2
03-16-2009, 08:46 PM
It's Bowlen's fault. No kid rookie head coach has the power to trade the teams franchise QB without Bowlen's permission. Bowlen should have made it clear that the trade MUST happen or not to pursue it at all. There is no middle ground. You can't risk it with a thin skinned franchise QB.

FAX
03-16-2009, 08:48 PM
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e252/tziller/Cutler-1.jpg

Dang. Is it just me, or does he just look like a spoiled, wimpy-ass, creep?

I mean, he looks like the kind of kid you just beat the living hell out of in high school.

FAX

FAX
03-16-2009, 08:50 PM
Your own coach thinks Cassel is a better QB, and Cassel set the bar at a high 2nd round pick.


I think this should be settled by a game of Russian roulette between Bowlen, Cutler and Spider.

each required to make one pull of the trigger no matter the previous outcome. The best part is, McDaniels would probably hand them magazine fed .45.

Poop roulette might be fun to watch these guys play. Each knucklehead squats over the face of the knucklehead to his right and pushes. The knucklehead sitting to the left of the peep who's eaten the most fiber wins.

FAX

DeezNutz
03-16-2009, 08:50 PM
Dang. Is it just me, or does he just look like a spoiled, wimpy-ass, creep?

I mean, he looks like the kind of kid you just beat the living hell out of in high school.

FAX

With his face all bunched up like that, he kind of looks like a weasel. A little, female, menstruating weasel.

FAX
03-16-2009, 08:52 PM
With his face all bunched up like that, he kind of looks like a weasel. A little, female, menstruating weasel.

Yes. Exactly so, Mr. DeezNutz. He's a weasel-man. The worst kind of peep.

FAX

FAX
03-16-2009, 09:02 PM
Any reasonably sober goat fans in the room?

I'm just a little more confused than usual. Does Cutler want to be traded, or does he want a contract extension that includes better terms? Which is it?

FAX

FAX
03-16-2009, 09:11 PM
Any reasonably sober goat fans in the room?

I'm just a little more confused than usual. Does Cutler want to be traded, or does he want a contract extension that includes better terms? Which is it?

FAX

vailpass
03-16-2009, 09:25 PM
Any reasonably sober goat fans in the room?

I'm just a little more confused than usual. Does Cutler want to be traded, or does he want a contract extension that includes better terms? Which is it?

FAX

I thought I was sober but apparently I'm seeing double.:D

Iowanian
03-16-2009, 10:40 PM
I wish I could think of the name of the goofy looking "beaker" looking comedian/actor who looks like Cutler.


I also wish, just for fun, someone would ask that dickbag QB in Sandy Eggo, Phillip Rivers what HE thinks about Cutler's tissy fit.


This is awesomeness.

DrRyan
03-17-2009, 01:24 AM
I wish I could think of the name of the goofy looking "beaker" looking comedian/actor who looks like Cutler.


I also wish, just for fun, someone would ask that dickbag QB in Sandy Eggo, Phillip Rivers what HE thinks about Cutler's tissy fit.


This is awesomeness.

I believe Harlan Williams is who you are thinking of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zngzYMsvjI8

Iowanian
03-17-2009, 08:47 AM
Harland Williams is EXACTLY who I was thinking of. Excellent work.


"How can you like Matt Cassel better than....*THIS*?"
http://www.superiorpics.com/hs/harland_williams/main1.jpg